tonight on kqed newsroom, ale flout from pg&e now that they've been ofilgszy found at fault for the deadly camp fewer. and the first major city to ban law enforcement from coing facial gnition technology. and playoffns forry the bay area as theol gn state quariers and the san jose shar talken their rivals in the western conference finals. we begin with more turmoil from pg&e. they teined their equipment caused the camp fire. pg&ed admit months ago that was probably the case but wednesday's announcement removed

all doubt. this as the utility is facing numerous lawsuits. and push back from state pall tugzs. and president trump is proposing a pan that would overhaul migration law including emphasizing skills over family ties for those seeking entry. here with a look at those stories is and senior writer with "plit co. kwa " and a republican strategist. good to see allf oyou again.al consumer advocates have beennsting that pg&e be held accountable. with will that bolster the lawsuits that have already been iled? >> i there may be people throughout that wanted to wait t.r this until they officially jouned the laws i talked to amanda riddle.'s sh representing 1800 camp

fie victims. she said the cal fire reportself is not admissible. does it change the calculations for them? she said not so much. it's no big surprise. i think for her she felt like thisas validating for the victims and the public to understand this is a foiloffici the cause. >> and this is one of a slew of problems that pg&e is facing. 's bankruptcy. it's fossing an investigation that could lead to manslaughter charges. under federal probation for the bruno pipeline explosion. where does the company go from here? >>u well, it continueses becaus it's a regulated utilit and bankruptcy doesn't mean it's out of money. it's not a solution of the company. as long as you're a rgulatinging

utility, that money is going to come out of the users and pay for all the damages caused. >> weeks ago they filed papers with the state regulators, the california public utility commission, along with the other majorilities to increase the amount that people issued bonds to pg&get back. that is how people make money out of of the inivister anyou tults. right now they have about 10 and 1/4 perent. thaw want to do go up to 16 pr.s shauoint. between that and liabilities,au these otheri >> there's also the political pressure. because rate payers want protection. and justice. can which means am folks unsacramento are going to be listening. the governor has already said he wants to deal with this. he's got a slew out there. jury hilt and others looking to

conserers here. and pg&e expect on all these different fronts. >> and what are the chances thl state ome in and say hey, we need to break you up or ha, theovnment needs to take over parts of pg&e? >> which ones get passed. how much the consumers get, what they want out of this, and i think there press is on in sacramento to be on top of this issue. >> it is. i have seen nothing thats indicathat whole sale is going to take on brocking up this you tult. i think what's interesting is to watch howmany pople on wall street have lobbied and put the fear of god in them earlier this year. i thunk the most likely thing is some sort of insurance fund to make thems vic whole and protect utilities against bankruptcy and future fewer fires.in

and hobull. one that would have allowed high density housing is effectively bing killed for the restf of th year. why did it not make it through the sate appropriations committee? >> because the chair, who'sfrom the pasadena area in l.a. said he didn't like it and didn't move it forward. and he has that pruraugative. we've seeno much pushback from suburban counties. affluent communities. >> but people in most of the state don't like this.e some hso come out against it it's a huge, huge controversy. i think what's interesting is it theid prnt of thesont did not force her approp reaugzs chair toush it through.&syh >> the second try in a landmark bill and the nation was watching

what was going on here. everyone admits housing is an issue here. the grid lock is an issue. d as she said, what we saw week was the roaring factions just coming out. and ulstraillustrating how toug issue is. against neighborhood groups who say we want new housing but not here. >> once again you have a san francisco legislator who's trueing to put a frusichko solution on to the state. nd you have a huge tension between the state and local government. and local governments do not want to give up contrl. i will tell you it wasn't just the papeople in pasadena. it was palloality o. the real issue is not trueing to jam housing into neighbot oods that dnt it. what they have to fix, unmy, vi you can get a lawyer's ball park and a football stadium

by giving exemptions, you can do the same thing. > the problem is most places outside the urban areas do not want to ins crease dense ta. and some of it is about the qualitof life and the way these neighborhoods have been put out there. and i would say some of it is not wanting people who don't look like them in their neighborhood.d his is a debate we've been having in california for a very long time and will continue to hav but i think the state is at point whereis given the they're going toing have to figure out a way to work with locales. another dedebate that's been going on for a long time, not just housing but immigration. the trump administration is planning to overhaul the it system as we it. democrats oppose it and some

republicans oppose it because it doesn't reduce oveioll immigr levels which is what the hardline conserves want. so why is he doing this? >> i would call it the talking point act of 2020. designed to allow republican senators to basically adopt certain portin certrtions of the bill. >> that's a good point. >> republicans in tight races. >> i don't think so. and if youthook at pall as, i agree ewith a number of the policy issues. we have 2.8 million housing unit shortage in the state of alifornia. and yount to invite a bunch of folks in with already a housing crisis. these issues do get tied up together. i dont think it's comp arehnsiv migration reform.

>> put something out there that was basically decsigned by jar kushner. >> that had becausically no support. > that hasn't stopped him. >> what the administration doesn't do is they don't put together workingou g to roll out legislation and kick it out. they throw sthuomething out on twitter and eher poof it's gone or it marinates somewhere. >> clearly what he's putting o here is an effort to set up a 2020 presidential runin agenda, plto his base. but on this broader issue of immigration, president bush and president obama previously triea to reach bipartisan consensus on immigration and they falled. is is there anything he could put in thre that democrats might partially agree with? >> absolutely. d.a.a., the dreamers . and these are people who waiting for some kind of answer

here. the democrats i think wanted and it this is where the trumped a un stra ministration could have reached out. actually a legislative strategy? this isomething they can put out there, that he can position himself f 2020. but if you want to pass legislation, you work with not even just democrats, but your republican counterparts in congress. nonef ofthem are even in the room. >> with "politico" and wilsh and walsh consulting. they voted to ban the use of facial recnition technology byol epe and other facilities. he says the it technology is inaccurate and insive. last year the american civils

libe union tested amazon's facial recognition and people were not recognized, primarily people of color. opponents call it an over reach. here to discuss is surveillance litigation director. and trisha, city hall are porter for t san francisco chronicle. can you explain how it works. how do you go from a camera to havinghat echnology identify you? >> sure. so it uses an algorithm to study various aspects of your face ant compare t to foss templets dhat are already in a data base. and ba on the percentage of similari between your face and the foss ace in the data base, data base will recognize you or not.

>> and there are cameras everywhere. so trisha, what would san frncisco's new ordinance exactly? >> the first one that supervisor proposed is not allow our city ageances tognse facial reion technology. it's important to note they don't currently use the technology. and the second aspect of the law that hasn't got as much isention as the outright ban the -- under this ordinance the -our sit department will now have to disclose exactly what rveillance technology they will be yoozing and that can be anything from body cameras or anything that. >> and they would have to get approval from theoard off supervisors for future surveillance technology purchases. >> once they disclose everything

they'resi and if in there a they don't like what they see, th can prohibit them from using it in the future. and can any futuretechnology they want to acquire, thaw would need to get approval. >> and the san francisco police department and sheriff's department say they don't use facial recognition technology. why do you support it? >> i think we're at the cusp of seeing it rolled out in law enforceme enforcement agencies across the country. systems have been purchases in it and shaug oeand new york. we're at point where we need to lay down a mark and say we're not going to allow police departments to acquire this tecology. because we shouldn't be experimenting onur citizens in the united states to see if the technology even works. we already know how it's being applied in other countries le china.

we don't want that to happen here. >> and let me understand this as well. let's say the san francisco police department doesn't use this technology. but couldn't theypartner with amazon, and have access to facial ognition? >> no, they can't partner with amazon. they can'tcqre the face recognition through a third party. the only loophole would be if they somehow receed face recognition from another source without going out and sooking access for that. >> and how accurate is this technology,trigs? >> that's the question is that you don't know yet. the report you mtionedbefore with the aclu put out that where it misidentified members of nongress, it's obviously an emerging teogy and whew should we put in the hands of dr law enforcement. and you't real a hear anyone

saying this is the solution and the perfect thing we shld be using but you hear people against the outright ban being like why don't you create a frameworknd arohow it's use under stead of banninging it altogether. it could be a crime saolving hep ÷ >> i think it the problem is woo know face recognition doesn't work as well on opeople of color. so if you're talking about criminal justice system that s proportionately impacts people of color and they are targeted by law enforcemet more frely. face recognition is go having to a nadisproport impact and will misidentify people for crimes. so i think it's a real risk. >> then they have ploos departments likeew york and

detroit and they say we use the utmost for caution. does that keep you comfort? >> no t real a doesn't. because we know humans misidentify people who they don't kno at even higher rates than face recognition technology. if i have hi varfeerify the uma after the fact, that will negate any. what happens is the officer identification reinforces the misidenti through technology. >> do we know howmany law enforcement agencies nationally are using the technolog now?ht >> i don't know if there's a definitive list but there are can amples. orlando have used it in some capacity and dals as well. and the first lawrc enent agency to use amazon's facial

recognition technology was washington county. in oregon and their sheriff-can come out with a snt saying we don't use this as our only form of identification. we have human intervention as well. >> are there cases where it's be used effectively? >> there's a high profile case in maryland at olnewspapere were having trouble identifying the sughect thr regular means and were able to yauz a federal data base tle be ato match with the suspect and then they're able to successfully apprehend the suspect in this case. >> and we just had a pretty terrible misidentification in the scle laungau bombing and she astargeted by people all around the world as being one of

the bombers. >> we live in a digital age where massive data breaches seem to be happening more and more. yet, for many people when ayou talk abo facial recognition it seems to hit a nerve that's different fromhose scenarios, even though we're talking about personal data here. >> i think face recognition is different because our faces are exposed when we're out in public and talking to anyone. it's unusual for someone to cover up the)án+ face and difficult to change your face. if your face ends up in a data dase, it'sferent from having a driver license number or social security number taken as part of a hack or security breach. you can change all those numbers but you can't changyour face. >> i think there's more of an emogzal appeal to it. and it's easier to wrap your head around the ea of your

aces bying used uncertain ways data or0÷ things you click on the internet. >> and we know federal law makers are paying atn too. jennifer lynch with the electrocs frontier foundation and the san francisco chroncanical. turning now to sport the golden sta warriors are in the western conference finals for the xth consecutive year. they're facing off against the portland trail blazers. 19 years agoe. the warriors won their first two matches at home on tuesday and thursday. and history was made when two brothers, steph and seth curry fossed off for the first time in a playoff. and another franchise is vying to bebust in the west.

the san jose sharks winning game three against the st. louis blues. joining me now is evening show host, mark llard. so nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> what an amauzing time. they were down by asmany as 17 points and they rallied back to win. wht are your take aways from that game and the biggestch lenges forgy team to pick them off? >> all three teams that aft l in these playoffs against the warriors have a experience than them. and they've been there before. tien there, done that. and this plar team, the big story going on with them right now is they've lt the ost talented player in kevin durant and what that seems to have done is galvanized the guys. they're a little bit more foksed. it's a little ntalgic. they feel like the team in 2015

and 2016, which they loved more than any other team. you hear fanshe saying may not be as good but they're a little more fun. rant is the key player, let me show you something. >> and the bays always loved steph but nationally people do question c be the best player on a championship team?n because e when he was he didn't win finals mvp. and a little bit of an opportunity for him. >> you live and breathe sports. you host a three-hour show every day. my goodness. how exciting is this for you. both the warriors and sharks in the playoffs. >>t's greatand especially because during my show -- we have a lot off fluid stuff going on that's exciting and fun and absolutely. whic is a whole lot of fun. having two teams in the chase at

the same time for any stadium, any group of fans is a lot of fun. you're at one of the games and the score is posted. and 49ers players are going to the sharks' games. it's a communal feel but it couldn't be more dferent. the warriors are doing this for the 50 in a ow ande sharks have never done it. for sharks fans, i would compare it to you're abou to havehxn th birth of your first child but you don't knowhat the sex is. you're sitting there thinking about what will this be like if it happens. and they tease their fans so many times and it it's fun. it's nerve racking though. >> he hasn't played.

he's going to be a free agent soon. what do you think? i think he's going to g i do. whispers are pretty loud and have been for a while. and everyone's got their thoughts on why that may be. some people feel like can kevin, as good as he is, maw be the best player in th world, doesn't even have his own team. >> where dud he >> he moved a business out there already earlier in the season. and they've got room to maybe bring him and another star in./x maybe kyrie irving who's with the celtics right now. and in the playoffs. i still think there's an outside chance he stays ande' maybe not fully made his decision. but the odds-on favorite is that he plays elsewhere and maybe

we'll get a little preview. >> 14 of the last 15 seasons, rigev? yet have won, luke you said. do you see them getting over the hump finally this year? >> it feelsike there's something bigger at work. i don't know eif they're the most talented team out there. boston is already quickly dus patched to thir opponent and they're waiting for an opponent. sothey're going to wellristed and they're very talented. but it's hockey. the way the puck bounces, there's dash and they've been gting those. >> different from othe years and in what way? >> i think in years past they've the most talented team and maybe have carried that thought in there. t likre'sx peckitation. we're spozed to do this. that care as a lot of pressure. three games to one in the very

fist round. and everyone said another year that's going to be a missed opportunity and since then magic has struck. d that go as long way. >> so san jose hassed a vanszed in both rounds by surviving consecutive games. so would you say going long is an advantage ordisadvantage? >> there's an age-old conversation it. when you get through a quick sear as, you get to rest but you can fall out of sirnk a little bit. pretty much every other night we go play a hockey game. the down side, especially in the sport that's so physical. i mean it tas a toll. it's a really, really difficult run t play what i guess potentlly 28 hawkockey games jut in the playoff run. >> it's brutal the way they play.

physically and therefore mentally the longer it goes, it's tough. but again every time you get one of those magical wins, that adrenalks over. and so you're able to get rough that physical challenge. >> let's talk about long-time shark gordon. and he'sheaded straight to the halame after he retires. he's never won the stanley cup. is this last chance? >> it'sas probably his really good chance. thaw only need a handful more ones. there's a few stories that are rudingbelow the surface of simply the sharks winning and that's a big one. he's notthe central focus of their team but from 10,000 feet the hockey fan knows this is a guy ewho dedeserves this. and in hockey there's championships every sport but unhockey it's about that name being on the cup and therefore

it's there forever and he's one of those guys that deserves it. that would be great. mark willard host of the evening show. thank you so much. >> absolutely. that will do it for us. as always you can find more of our coverage on kqed.com/newsroom. thank you for joining us. ♪

robert: tonight, trade, immigration and the nation's abortion debate. i'm robert costa. welcome to "washington week." the u.s. strikes a deal with canada and mexico to lift steel and aluminum tariffs. a coul trade deal with china be next? president trump: our proposal is promecan, pro immigrant and pro worker. it's just mmon sense. robert: president trump rolls out a i newmmigration plan, seeking to prioritize migrants with high skills. but the reception on both sides of the aisles cool. plus -- inside the latest push to restrict abortion, next. announcer: this is "washin