tonight on kqed newsroom, the fallout from pg&e now t at cey'vebeen ofilgszy found at fault for the deadp fewer. and the first major city to balaw enforcement from using facial recognition telogy. and playoffns forry in theay area as theat golden st quariers and the san jose sharkl n their rivals in the western conference finals. we begin with more turmoil from pg&e.y eidetermined equipment caused the camp fire. pg&e admitted months ago that ncs probably the case but wednesday's annouent removed all doubt.

this as the utility is facing numerous lawsuits. and push back from state pall tugzs. and president trump is proposing plan that would overhaulon immigratiaw includingem asizing skills over family ties for those seeking entry. here with a look at those stories is and senior writer with "plit co. kwa " and a republican strategist. good to see allf oyou ain. also consumer advocates have been insisting that pg&e be held accountae. with will that bolster the lawsuits that have aready been filed? >> i think there may be people throughout that wanted to wait for this until they officially jned the lawsuit. i talked to amanda riddle. she's representing 1800 camp

fire victims. she said the cal fire reportself is not admissible. does it change the calculations for them? she said not so much. it's no big surprise. i think for her she felt like this was validating for the victims and the public to understand this is a foiloffici the cause. >> and this is one of a slew of problems that pg&e is facing.up it's bany. it's fossing an investicotion thatd lead to manslaughter charges. under federal prob tion for bruno pipeline explosion. where does the company go from here? >>u well, it continueses becaus it's a regated utility. and bankruptcy doesn't mean it's out of money. it's not a solution of the company. as long as you're a gulatinging

utility, that money is gng to come out of the users and pay for all the damages caused. >> weeks ago they file papers with the state regulators, the calfornia public utility commission, along with the other majorto utilitiencrease the amount that people issued bonds to pg&e get back. that is how people make money out of of the inivister and you tults. right now they have about 1 and 1/4 per sent. thaw want to do go up to 16 pr.t shaun's point. between that and liabilities, these otherishaus. >> there's also the political pressure. because rate payers want protection. and justice. can which means am folks unsacramento are going to be listening. the governor has already said he wants to deal with this. a he's glew out there. jury hilt and others looking to

consumerers her and pg&on expecll these different fronts. >> and what are the chances the state will come in and say hey, we need to break you up or ha, theee government to take over parts of pg&e? >> which ones get passed. how much the consumers get, what they want out of this, and i think the pressure is on in sacramento to be on top of this issue. >> it is. o have seen nothing that indicates that sale is going to take on brocking up this you tult.nk i th what's interesting is to watch howmany people on wall street have lobbied and put the fear of god in them earlier this year. i thunk the most likely thing is some sort of insurance fund to make thewh victimsle and protect utilities against bankruptcy and future fewers. fires.

and housing bull. one that would have lowed high density housing is effectively bing killed for the restf of the year. why did it not make it through the senate appropriations committee? >> because the chair, w the pasadena area in l.a. said he didn't like it and didn't move it forward. and he has that pruraugative. we've seen so much pushback from suburban counties.nt >> afflommunities. >> but people in most of the ouate don't like this. some have also comagainst it it's a huge, huge controversy. i think what's interesting is it the president of thesont did not force her approp reaugzs chair to push it thrgh.&syh >> the second try ian aark bill and the nation was watching

what was going on here.ev yone admits housing is an issue here. the grid lock is an issue. and as she said, what we saw this week wacthe roaring ons just coming out. and ulstraillustrating how toug issue is. against neighborhood groups who say we want new housing but not here. >> once again you have a san francisco legislator who's trueing to put a sankofruic solution on to the state. and you have a huge tensiont en the state and local government. and local governments do not want to give up control. i will tell you it wasn't just the papeople in pasadena.as italloality o. the real issue isnot trueing to jam housing into neighborhoods that dont want it. what they have to fix, unmy ou view, if can get a lawyer's ball park and a football stadium

by giving exemptions, you can do the samthing. >> the problem is most placests de the urban areas do not want to ins crease dense ta. and some of it is about the quality of life and the way these neighborhoods have been put out there. and i would say some of it is not wanting people who don't look like them in their neighborhood.s and this debate we've been having in california for a very long time and will continue to have. but i think the state is at point where they're going toing have to figure out a way to work with locales. a >>ther dedebate that's been going on for a, long tit just housing but immigration. the trump administration is planning to overhaul the it system as we it. democrats oppose it and some republicans oppose it because it

doesn't reduce overall immigration levels which is what the hardline conserves want. why is he doing this? >> i would call it the talking point t of 2020. designed to allow republican senators to basically adopt f rtain porti certain portionse bill. >> that's a good point. >>ca repub in tight races. >> i don't think so. and if you lookal at the as, i agree ewith a number of the policy issues. we have 2.8 million housing unit shortage in the state of california. an you want to invite a bunch of folks in with already a housing crisis. these issues do get tied up together. i dont think it's comp arehnsiv immigration form.

>> put something out there that was basically decsigned by jare kushner. >> that had becausically no support.as >> thatt stopped him. > what the administration doesn't do is they don't put together working groups to roll out legislation and kick it out. they throw sthuomething out on twitter and either poof it's gone or it marinates somewhere. >> clearly what he's putting out here is an effort to set up a 2020 presidential run agenda, as playing to his but on this broader issue of immigration, president bush and president obama previously tried reach a bipartisan consensus on immigration and they falled.i isthere anything he could put in there that democrats might partially agree with? >> absolutely. d.a.c.a., the drmers . and these are people whong are waitfor some kind of answer

here. the democrats i think wanted and it this is where the trumped a mun strati minist could have reached out. actually a lgislative strategy? this is something they can put out there, that he can position himself for 2020. but if you want to pass legislation, you wor withot even just democrats, but your republican counterparts in congress. nonef ofthem are even in the room. >> with "politico" and wilsh and walsh consulting. they voted to ban the use of facial recognition technology be epolice and otfacilities. he says the it technology is inaccurate and invasive. last year the american civil

liberties unio tested amazon's facial recognition and people were not recognized, primarily people of color. opponents call it an over reach. here toiscuss is surveillance litigation director. and trisha, city hall are porter for the san francisco chronicle. can you explain how it works. how do you go from a camera to having that gytechnol identify you? >> sure. it uses an algorithm to study various aspects of your face and ompare that tooss templets that are already in a data base. an based on the percentage of similarity between your face and the foss ace in the data base, data base will recognize you or not.

>> and there are cameras everywhere. so trisha what would san francisco's new ordinance do exactly? >> the first one that supervisor propose is notlow our city ageances to use facial n recognition teogy. it's important to note they don't currently use the technology. and the second aspect of the law that hasn't got as much atention as the outright ban is the -- under this ordinance the -- our sit department will now have to disclose exactly whatnc surveil technology they will be yoozing and that can be anything from body cameraor anything luke that. >> and they would have to get approv from the boardoff supervisors for future surveillance technology purchases. >> once they disclose everything

they'rend using if in there a they don't like what they see, they can prohibit them from using it in the future. and can anyol future tecy they want to acquire, thaw would need to get approval. >> and the san francisco police department and sheriff's department say they don't use facial recognition technology. why do you support it? >> i think we're at the cusp of seeing it rolled out in law enforceme enforcement agencies across the country.s tems have been purchases in detroit and shaug oeand new york. we're at point where we need to laydown aark and say we're not going to allow police departments to acquire this technology. because we shouldn't be experimenting on our citizens in the united states to see if the technology even works. we already know how it's being applied in other countries like china.

we don't want that to happen here. >> and me understand this as well. let's say the san francisco police department doesn't use this technology. but couldn't they partner with amazon, and have access to facialn?recogniti >> no, they can't partner with amazon. they can'the acquire face recognition through a third party. the only loophole would be if they somehow received face recognition from another source without going out and sooking access for that. >> and how accurate is this tchnology, trigs? >>at's the question is that you don't know yet. the report you mentioned before with the aclu put out that where it misidentified members of congressit's obviously an emerging technology and whew should we put in the hands of our law enforcement. an ryou don'tal a hear anyone

saying this is the solution and the perfect thing we should be using. but you hear people against theh out ban being like why don't you create a framework around how it's use under stead of banninging it altogether. olving hebe a crime save ÷ >> i think it the problem is woo ow facerecognition doesn't work as well on opeople of color. i you're talking about criminal justice system that dus proportionately impacts people of color and they are targeted by law enforcement more frequently. face recognition is go having to a disproportionate impact and will misidentify people for crimes. so i think it's a real risk. >>y then t have ploos departments like new york and

detroit and they say t we u utmost for caution. 'oes that keep you comfort? >> no t real a doe because we know humans misidentify people who they don't know, a evenr higates than face recognition technology. if i have him varfe the umage after the fact, that will negate any. wh happens is the officer identification reinforces the misidentification that occurs through technology. >> do we know howmany law enforcement agencies nationally re using the technology right now? >> i don't know if there's a definitive list but there are can examples. orlando have used it in some capacity and dallas as well. and the first law enforcement agency to use amazon's facial

recognition technology was washington count in oregon and their sheriff-can come ou with a statement saying we don't use this as our only form of identification. we have human intervention as we. >> are there cases where it's been useffectively? >> there's a high profile case in maryland at newspaper police were having trouble identifying the suspect through regular means and were able to yauz a federal data base to be able to match with the suspect and then they'le to successfully apprehend the suspect in this case. >> and we just had a prettyri tele misidentification in the scle laungau bombing and she was b target people all around the world as being one of

the bombers. >> we live in a digital age ere massive data breaches seem to be happening more and more. yet, for many people when ayou talk about facial recognition it seems to hit a nerve that's different from those scenarios, even though we're talking about personal data here. >> i think face recognition is different because our faces a exposed when we're out in public and talking to anyone. it's unusual for someone to cover up the)án+ face and difficult to change your face. if your face ends up in a data base, it's different from having a driver license number or social security number taken as part of a hack or security breach. you can change all those numbers but you can't change your face. >> i think there's more of an emogzal appeal to it. and it's easier to wrap your head around the idea ofour

faces bying used uncertain ways data or0÷ things you click on the internet. >> and we know federal law makers are paying attention too. jennifer lynch with the electronics frndtier fouation and the san francisco chroncanical. turning now to sports. theolden state warriors are in thefewestern crence finals for the sixth consecuve year. they're facing off against the portland trail blazers.rs 19 agoe. the warriors won their first tws matcht home on tuesday and thursday. and history was made when two brothers, steph and seth curry fossed off for the first time in a playoff. and another franchise is vying to bebust in the west.

the san jose sharks winning game three against the st. louis bls. joining me now is evening show host, mark willard. so nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> what an amauzing time.re they own by asmany as 17 points and they rallied back to win. what are ur takeaways from that game and the biggestf challengegy team to pick them off? >> all three teams that are in these playoffs against the warriors have a loter less ence than them. and they've been there before. been there, done tha and this particular team, the big story going on with them right now is they've lost the most talented player in kevin durant and what that seems to g have done isvanized the guys. they're a little bit more foksed. it's a little nostalgic. they feel like the team in 15 and 2016, which they loved more

than any other team. you hear fans saying they m not be as good but they're a little more fun.nk kevin durant is the key player, let me show you something. >> and the bay has always loved steph but nationally people do question can hee the best player on a championship team? because even when he was he didn't win finals mvp. and a little bit of an opportunity for him. >> you live and breathe sports. you host a three-hour show every day. my goodness. how exciting is this for you. both the warriors and sharks in the playoffs. >> it'ses great andcially because during my show -- we have a lot ff fluid stuff going on that's exciting and fun and absolutely. which is a whole lot of fun. having two teams in the chase at

the same time for any stadi any group of fans is a lot of fun. you're at one of the games and the score is posted. and 49ers players are going to the sharks' games. it's a communal feel but it couldn't be more different. the warriors are doing this for the 50 in a row and the shar have never done it. for sharks fans, i would compare it to you're about to havehxn t birth of your first child but ha you don't knothe sex is. you're sitting there thinking about what will this be like if it happens. and they tease their fans so many times and it's fun. it's nerve racking though. >> he hasn't played.

he's going to be a free agent soon. what do you think? >> i think hs going to go. i do.wh pers are pretty loud and have been for a while. and everyone's got their thoughts on why that may be. some people feel like can kevin, as good as he is, maw be the best player in the doesn't even have his own team. >> where dud he sghoe. >> moved a business out there already earlier in the season. and they've got room to maybe bring him and another star in.2 maybe kyrie irving's w with the celtics right now. nd in the playoffs. i still think there's an outside chance he stays and mayb he's not fully made his decision. but the odds-on favorites that he plays elsewhere and maybe

we'll get a little preview. >> 14 of the last 15 seasons, right? yet have never wke you said. do you see themetting over the hump finally this year? >> it feels like there's something bigger at work. i don't know eife they're most talented team out there. boston is already quickly dus patched to theire opp and they're waiting for an opponent. sothey're going to be wellristed and they're very talented. but it's hockey. the way the puck bounces, there'sy'ash and t been gting those. >> different from other years and in what way? >> i think in years past they've been the most talented team and maybe have carried that thought ec there. like there'sxtation. we're spozed to do this.t thre as a lot of pressure. three games to one in the very

first round. and everyone said another year that's going to be a missed opportunity and since then magic has struck. and that go as long way. >> so san jose hassed a vanszed in both rounds by surviving consecutive games. so would you say going long is an advange or disadvantage? >> there's an age-old conversation it. when you get through a quick sear as you get to rest but you can fall out of sirn bit. little pretty much every other night we go play a hockey game. the down side, especially in the sport that's so physical. i mean it takes a toll. it's a really, really difficult run toat play w i guess potentially 28 hawkockey games t in the playoff run. >> it's brutal the way they play.

>> physically and therefore mentally the longeres, it's tough. but again every time you get one of those magical wins, that adrenalin talks ove and so you're able tohaet throughphysical challenge. >> let's talk about long-time sharkordon. and he'sheaded straigh after he retires.ame he's never won the stanley cup. is this his last chance? robably his last real good chance. thaw only need a handful more ones. there's a few stories that are ruding below the surface of simply the sharks winning and that's a big one. he's not the central focus of their team but from 10,000 feet the hockey fan kows this is a guy ewho dedeserves this. and in hockey there's championships in every spt but unhockey it's about that name being on the cup and therefore

it's there forever and he's one of those guys that deserves it. >> that wou be great. mark willard host of the evening show. thank u so much. >> absolutely. that will do it for us. as always you can find more of our coverage on kqed.com/newsroom. thank you for joining us. ♪

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