tonight kqed newsroom, the fallout from pg&e now that they've been ofilgszy found at fault for the deadly camp fewer. and the first major city to ban law enforcement from using facial recognition technology. and rplayoffns in the bay area as the golden state quariersand the san jose sharks talken their rivals in the nc western confefinals. we begin with more turmoil from pg&e. they determined their equipment caused the camp fire. pg&e admitted months ago that was probably the case but wednesday's announcement removed

all doubt. this as the utility is facing numerous lawsuits. and push back from state pall tus. and president trump is proposing a plan that would overhaul immigration law including emphasizing skills over family ties for those seekiry. here with a look at those stories is and senior writer with "plit co kwa " and a republican strategist. good to see allf oyou again. also consumer advocates have been insisting th pg&e be held accountable. with will that bolster the lawsuitsve that already been filed? >> i think there may be people throughout that wanted to wait for this until they officially jouned the lawsuit. i talked to amanda riddle. she's representing 1800 camp

fire victims. sh said the cal fire reportself is not admissible. does it change the calculations ucr them? she said not so it's no big surprise. i think for her she felt like this was validating for the victims and the public to understand this is a foiloffici the cause. >> and this is one of a slew of problemshat pg&e is facing. it's bankruptcy. it's fossing an investigation that could lead to manslaughter charges. under federal probation for the bruno pipeline explosion. where does the company gor from >>u well, it continueses becaus it's a regulated utility. and bankruptcy doesn't mean it's out of money. it's not a solution of the company. as long as you're a rgulatinging

utility, that money is going to come out of the users and pay for all the damages caused. >> weeks ago they filed papers wi the state regulators, the california publictility commission, along with the other major utilities to increase the amount that peopletossued bonds g&e get back. teat is how people make money out of of the inivand you tults. right now they have abo 10 and 1/4 per sent.nt thaw o do go up to 16 pr.pñ+$t shaun's point. between that and liabilities, these otherishaus. >> there's also the political pressure. because rate payers want protection. and justice. can which means am folks unsacramento are going to be listening. the gornor has already said he wants to deal with this. he's got a slew out there.

jury hilt and othersco looking umerers here. and pg&e expect on all these different fronts. >> and what are the chancese state will come in and say hey, we need to break you up or ha, the government needs to take over parts of pg&e? >> which ones get passed. how much theconsumers get, what they want out of this, and i think the pressure is on in sacramento to be on top of this issue. >> it is. i have seen nothing that indicates that whole sale is going to take on brocking up this you tult. i think what's interesting is to watch howmany people on wall strobet haveed and put the fear of god in them earlier this year. i thunk the most likely thing is some sort of insurance fund to make the victims whole and protect utilities against bankruptcy and futures. fires.

and housing bull. one that would have allowed high density housing is effectively bing killed for the restf of the year. why did it not make it through the senate appropriations committee? >> because the chair, who's from the pasadena area in l.a. said he didn't like it and didn't move it forward. and he has that pruraugative. we've seen so much pushback from suburban counties. >> affluent communities. >> but people in most of the state don't like this. some have also come out against it it's a huge, huge controversy. i think what's interesting is it the president of thesont did not force her approp reaugzs chair push it through.&syh >> the second try in a landmark bill and w the nati watching

what was going on here. everyone admits housing is an isue here. the grid lock is an issue. and as she said, what we saw this week was the roaring factions just coming out. and ulstraillustrating how toug issue is. against neighborhood groups who say we want new housing but not here. >> once again you have a san francisco legislator who's a trueing to pan fruichko solution on to the state. and you have auge tension between the state and local government. ond local governments do not want to give upol. i ll tell you it wasn't just the papeople in pasadena. it was palloality o. the real issue is not trueing to jamgh housing into nrhoods that dont want it. what they have to fix, unmy view, if you can get a lawyer's

ball park and football stadium by giving the same thing.can do >> the problem is most places areas do notrban want to ins crease dense ta. and some of it is about tal y of life and the way these neighborhoods have been put out there. and i would s some of it is not wanting people who don't look like them in their neighborhood. and this is a debate we've been having in california for a very long time and whl continue to e. but i think the state is at poi where given the crisis they're going toing have to figure out a way to work with locales. >> another dedebate that's been going on for a long time, not just housing but immigraon. the trump administration is planning to overhaul the it system as we it. democrats oppose and some

republicans oppose it because it doesn't reduce orall immigration levels which is what the hardline conserves want. so why is he doing this? >> i would call it the talking point act of 2020. designed to allow republican senators toasically adopt certain porti certain portions of the bill. >> that's a good point. >> republicans in tight races. >> i don't think so. and if you look at the pall as, i agreeth ew a number of the policy issues. we have 2.8 million housing unit shortage in the state of california. and you want to invite a bunch of folks in with already a housing crisis. these issues do get tied up together. i dont think it's comp arehnsiv immigration reform.

>> put something out there that was basically decsigned byared kushner. >> that had becausically no support. >> that hasn't stopped him. >> what thei administr doesn't do is they don't put together working groups to roll out legislation and kick it out. thy throw sthuomething ond on twitterither poof it's gone or it marinates somewhere. >> clearly what he' putting out here is an effort to set up a 2020 predential run agenda, playing to his base. but on this broader issue of immigration, president bush and president obama previously tried to reach a bipartisan consensus on immigration and they falled. is is there anything he coul put inere that democrats might partially agree with? >> absolutely.d. c.a., the dreamers . and these arewh people are

waiting for some kind of answer here. the democrats i think wanted and it this is where the trumped a mun stra ministration could have reached out. actually a legislative strategy? this is something they can put out there, that he canlfosition himor 2020. but if you want to pass legislation, yo work with not even just democrats, but your republican countersrts in cong nonef ofthem are even in the room. >> h th "politico" and wilsand walsh consulting. they voted to ban the use of facial recognition technology by epolice and other facilities. he says the it technology is inaccurate and invasive. last year the american civil

liberties union tested amazon's facial recognition and people were not recognized, primarily people of color. opponents call it an over reach. her to discuss is surveillance litigation director. and trisha, city hall are porter forhe san francisco chronicle.ex can yoain how it works. how do you go fr a camera to having that technologyti id you? >> sure. so it uses an algorithm to study various aspects of your face and compare that to foss templetsre that are y in a data base. and based on the percentage of similarity eebeyour face and the foss ace in the data base, data base will recognize you or

not. >> and there are cameras evywhere. so trisha, what wouldfr san ncisco's new ordinance do exactly? >> theit one that supervisor proposed is not allow our city ageances to use facial recognition technology. it'sta imp to note they don't currently use the technology. and the second asp lct of the that hasn't got as much attention as the outright ban is the -- under this ordinance the -- our sit department will nowo have disclose exactly what surveillance technology they will be zing and that can be anything from body cameras or anything luke that. >> and they would have to get approval from the board off supervisors for future surveillance technology purchases. >> onceey t disclose everything

they're using and if in there a they don't like what they see, they can prohibit them from using in the future. and can any future technology they want to acquire, thaw would need to get approval. >> and thece san francisco po department and sheriff's department say they don't useia fa recognition technology. why do you support it? >> i think we're at the cusp of seeing it rolled out in law enforceme enforcement agencies across the country. systems have been puthases in it and shaug oeand new york. we're at point where we need to lay down a mark and say we're not going to allow police departments to acquire this technology.e because shouldn't be experimenting on our citizens in the united states to see if the technology even works. we already know how it's being applied in other cou like china.

we don't want that to happen here. >> and let me understand this as well. let's say the san francisco department doesn't use this technology. but couldn't they partner with tozon, and have access facial recognition? >> no, they can't partner with amazon. they can't acquire the face recognition through a third party. the only loophole wou be if they somehow received face recognition from anothurce without going out and sooking access for that. >> and how accurate is this technology, trigs? >> that's the question is that you don't know ye the report you mentioned before with the aclu put out that where it misidentiied members of congress, it's obviously an emerging technology and whew should we put in the hands of our law enforcement. and you don't real a hear anyony

g this is the solution and the perfect thing we should be using. but you hear people against the outright ban being like why don't you create a framework around how it's use uder stead of banninging it altogether. it could be a crime saolving hep ÷ >> i think it the problem is woo know face gnreion doesn't work as well on opeople of color. so if you're talking abou criminal justice system that dus proportionately impacts people of color and they are targeted by law enforcement more frequently. face recognition is go having to a disproportionate impact and will misidentify peor crimes.a so i think it'al risk. >> then they have ploos

departments like new york and detroit and they say we use the utmost for caution. does that keep you comfort? >> no t real a doesn't. because we know humans misidentify people who they don't know, at even higher rates than facececognition ology. if i have him varferify the uma after thct that will negate any. what hpens is the officer identification reinforces theti misidcation that occurs through technology. >> do we know howmany law enforcementen es nationally are using the technology right now? >> i don't know if there's a definitive list but there are can examples. orlando have used it in some capacity and dallas as well. and the first law enforcement agency to use amazon's facial

recognition technology was washington county. in oregon and their sheriff-can come out with a statement saying we don'use this as our only form of identification. we have human intervention as well. >> are there cases where it's been used effectively? >> there's a high profile case in maryland at newspaper police were having trouble identifying the suspect through regular meansnd were able to yauz a federal data base to be able to match with the suspect and then they're able to successfully apprehend the suspect in this case. >> and we just had a pretty terrible misidentification in the scle laungau bombing and she was targeted by people allo around thed as being one of

the bombers. we live in a digital age where massive data breaches seem to be happening more and more. yet, for many people when ayou talk about facial recognition it seems to hit a nerve that's different from those scenarios, even though we're talking about personal data here. >> i think face recognition is different because our faces are exposed en we' out in public and talking to anyone. it's unusual for someone to cover up the)án+ face and difficult to change your face. if your face ends up in a data base, it's different from having a driver license number or taken as urity numbe part of a hack or security breach. you can change all those numbera but you can'te your face. >> i think there's more of an emogzal appeal to it. and it's easier to wrap your

head around theidea of your faces bying used uncerta ways data or0÷ things you click on the internet. >> and we know federal law makers are paying attention too. jennifer lynch with thele etronics frontier foundation and the san francisco chroncanical. turning now to sports.e golden state warriorsnre i the western conferenceth finals foe sixth consecutive year. they're facing off against the portld trail blazers. 19 years agoe. the warriors wst their fir two matches at home on tuesday and thursday. and history was w maden two brothers, steph and seth curry fossed off for the first time in a playoff. and another franchise is vying to bebust in the west.

the san jose sharks winning game s three against the st. lo blues. joining me now is eveniar show host,willard. so nice to have you here. ng thanks for having me. >> what an amauime. they were down by asmany as 17 points and they rallied back to win. at are your take aways from that game and the biggest challenges forgy team to pick them off? >> all three teams thatre left in these playoffs against the warriors have a lot less experience than them. and they've been there before. been there, done that. and this particular team, the big story going on with them right now is they've lost the most talented player knin durant and what that seems to have done is galvanized the guys. they're a little bit more foksed.le it's a liostalgic. they feel like the team in 2015

and 2016, which they loved more than any other team. you hear fans saying they may not be as good but they're a little more fun. kevinurant is the key player, let me show you something. >> and the bay has always loved steph but nationally pele do question can he be the best player on a championip tea because even when he was he didn't win finals mvp. and a little bit of an opportunity for him. >> you live and breathe sports. a three-hour show every day. my goodness. how exciting is this for you. both the warriors and sharks in the playoffs. >> it's great and especially because during my show -- we have a lot off fluid suff goi on that's exciting and fun and absolutely.ic is a whole lot of fun. having two teams in the chase at

the same time for any stadium, any group of fans is a lot of fun. you're at one of the games and the score is posted. and 49ers players are going to the sharks' games. e 's a communal feel but it couldn't be mifferent. the warriors are doing this for the 50 in row and the sharks have never done it. for sharks fans, i would compare it tb you'ret to havehxn the birth of your first child but you don't knowhat the sex is. you're sitting there thinking about what will this be like if it happens. and they tease their fans so many times and it it's fun. it's nerve racking though. >> he hasn't played.

he's going to be a free agent soon what do you >> i think he's going to go. i do. whispers are pretty loud and have been for a while. and everyone's got their thoughts on why that may be. some people feel like can n,ke as good as he is, maw be the best player in the world, doesn't even have his own team. >> where dud he sghoe. >> he moved a business out there already earlier in the season. and they've got room to maybe bring him and other star in.2/x maybe kyrie irving who's with the celtics right now. and in the playoffs. i still ink there's an outside chance he stays and maybe he's not fully made his decision. but the odds-on favorite is that he plays elsewhere and maybee

we'lla little preview. >> 145 of the last seasons, right? yet have never won, luke you said. do you see them getting over the hump finally this year? >> it feels like there's something biggert work. i don't know eif they're the most talented team out there. boston is already quickly dus patched to their opponent and they're iting for an opponent. sothey're going to be wellriste and they'ry talented. but it's hockey. the way the puck bounces, there's dash and they've been gting those. >> different fhem o years and in what way? >> i think in years past they've been the mostnd talented team maybe have carried that thought in there. like there'sx peckitation. we're spozed to do this. that care as a lot of pressure.

three games to one in the very first round.on and eve said another year that's going to be a missed opportunity and since then magic has struck. d that go as long way. >> so san jose hassed a vanszed in both rounds by surviving consecutive games. so would y say going long is an advantage or disadve'tage? >> th an age-old conversation it. when you get through a quick sear as, you get to rest but you can fall out of sirnk a little bit. pretty much every other night we go play a hockey game. the down sside,cially in the sport that's so physical. i mean it takes a toll. 's a really, really difficult run to play what i guess potentially 28 hawkockey gamesyt in the p run. >> it's brutal the way they play.

>> physically and therefore mentally the longer it goes, it's tough. but again every time you g one of those magical wins, that adrenalin talks over. and so you're able to get through that physical challenge. about long-time shark gordon. and he'sheaded straight to the hall of fame after he retires. he's never won the stanley cup. is this his last chance? >> it's probably his last really good chance. thaw only need a handful more ones. there's a few stories that arer ng below the surface of simply the sharks winning and that's a big one. he's not the central focus of their team but from 10,000 feet the hoan knows this is a guy ewho dedeserves this. and in hockey there's championships in every sport but unhockey it's about that nam

being on the cup and therefore it's there forever and he's one of those guys that deserves it. >> that would be great. mark willard host of the evening show. thank you so much. >> ablutely. that will do it for us. as always yn find more of our coverage on kqed.com/newsroom. thank you for joining us. ♪

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