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and by contributionsur pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: the united states bad iran are trading new v volleys, as tensionsn the persian gulf remain high. mr. trump tweeted overnight that "if iran wants to fight, that ll be the official end o iran." today, tehran's foreign minister mohammad javad zarifssed the warning. he tweeted, "try respet works!" iran also announced it has quadrupled production of enriched uranium, but remains within the limits of the 2015 nuclear accord. the president has ordered his former white house counsel, don mcgahn, not to testify about the mueller report to congress. the u.s. house judiciary committee had subpoenaed mcgahn to appear by tomorrow. the justice department said esday that as a former ential adviser, he has immunity against testifying.

the u.s. trade fight with china landed a new blow today on tech giant "huawei." "google" confirmed that many operating system will no longer be updated on "huawei" smart phones. that's after the u.s. government curbed transacti os with "huawer fears that it helps whijing spy. mee, the u.s. again sent a destroyepast scarborough shoal, disputing china's claim to that part of the south china sea. in ukraine, tv comedian volodymyr zelenskiy was inaugurated as president today after winning a landslide vot last month. he took the oath of office p befoliament in kiev this morning. speaking in both russian and ukrainian, he called for a cease-fire with separatists in eastern ukraine, and for russia to return crimea.

>> ( translated ): frankly speaking, it seems it is impossible to lose what belongs to us by law. both crimea and donbass are ukrainialand where we lost not only territories, but most importantly-- people. they are not strangers, they are our people. they are ukrainians. >> woodruff: zelenskiy also announced he was dissolvingd parliament, called for a snap election. a scandal embroiling austria's far-right "freedom party" deepened today. the chancellor called for his interior minister to quit after the vice chancellor resigned. both are "freedom rty" leaders. a secret video allegedly showsce the hancellor promising contracts to a russian benefactor if she buys an austrian newspaper and backs the party. in australia's conservative prime minister scott morrison is poised tform a majority government after a stunning election victory. coalition badly beat the opposition labor party, which was wide expected to win.

labor pushed an ambitious plan to curb greenhouse gas emissions. back in this country, the new mayor of chicago, lori cghtfoot, was sworn in today, promising to figruption and violence. lightfoot is the first black, openly gay woman to lead the city. she ok the oath of office in 10,000-seat arena, and supporters cheered as she vowedh to clean up cil. >> you voted for change and i plan to deliver change to our government. tapplause ) that means restorist in our city's government and finally bringing some real integrity tohe way this city works. >> woodruff: the new mayor also pledged to restore peace and security. chicago had 561 homicides last year-- more than new york and los angeles combined. a guatemalan teenagehas died at a u.s. border patrol station

in south texas. it's the fifth death of a migrant child in u.s. custody since december. the 1 agency says tyear-old boy was detained a week ago, and was found dead this morning. there is no word on the cause. automaker ford said today it is cutting 7,000 white-collar jobs worldwide-- about 10% of its salaried work force. the total includes some 2,300 positions in the u.s., mostly around dearborn, michigan. it's part of asiestructuring ed to save $600 million dollars per year. president trump denied today there is anything suspicious about his alings with deutsche bank. "the new york times" reported that bank ecialists flagged transactions involving mr. trump and son-in-law jared kushner as possible money-laundering. the report said bank executives decided against alerting federal authorities. the president tweeted that any

such story is hony." a key regulator has endorsed t- mobile's takeover of rival sprint for $26.5-billion. the chair of the federal communications commission, ajit pai, announced it today. he said the wireless carriers committed to build a next- generation 5network within six years. the merger still needs approval from the full f.c.c. and the justice department and on wall street, u.s. actions against huawei sent tech stocksr and thder market lower. the dow jones industrial average lost 84 points to close below 25,680. the nasdaq fell nearly 114 points. and the s&p 500 slipped 19. still to comon the "newshour," my interview with former director of national intelligence, james clapper; undocunted immigrants brought to the u.s. as children and deported to counies they barely remember; a devastating ebola outbreak could get worse

as doctors threaten to go on strike, and much more. >> woodruff: he d access to the earliest signs russia was interfering in the 2016 presidential election. he is now a frequent critic of president trump and target of his wrath. james clapper served as director of national intelligence. his latest book, "facts and fears: hard truths from a life in intelligence" is coming out d herrow in paperback joins us now. welcome back to the "newshour". congratulations on the paperback. >> thanks, j>y. > woodruff: general clapper, the trump administration has been talking a lot in the lass few webout the threat from iran. they've increased u.s. military esence in the persian gulf. a lot of confusion around this situation. my question to you is shoulde

th a standard of proof for any evidence an administration provides as a justification, as a proof of this threat talking about? >> well, i think there should be, particularly if we're going to send sons and daughters in to harm's way in a situation like this. a lot of the rhetoric we're seeing today , is i think, reminiscent of the same sort of approach, pa apparently, with north korea, kim jong un, where we go from fire and fury love affair, and it seems that this inconsistent rhetoric is a mayb hallmark. i don't think that's a good thing, particularly when you have forces that are adversarial in close proximity to oneas anothe we do on the korean peninsula and in the strait of

ramuz. >> woodruff: i'm being. re talking about an inadvertent incident that could explode. st>> woodruff: i underd there's a problem with the audio on your microphone, so we're going to try to get that fixed while we're talking, but let's go ahead and continue. i'm asking about this proof of innse because we know, during the runup to the iraq war, there wasligence. and you've written in your book you contributed to t that. it didrn out to be all accurate. so how confident can the american people with, going forward, that any intelligence is accurate, that they can count on it? >> i think my fingerprints were on the infamous national intelligence eimate which dealt with weapons of mass destruction in iraq and published in october of 2002, and you're right, mh of iwas wrong. i think what people should take note of are the lessons learnedm

hat experience and the practices and procedures that have been built into the preparation of such intelligence, particularly at the national intelligence estimate leel, to pvent that. that's not to say that policy-makers, whether this set of picy-makers or any other set of policy-makers, you know, what they might do with that intelligence, either ignore it, accept it or reject itbui think the intelligence community has built in some mechanisms to preclude a recurrence of that. the issue will be -- and this is a policy call, not an intelligence community call -- is the extent to whichs that' shared with the american public. >> woodruff: you mean rmthe inion the administration has to the extent it's shared. >> exactly. >> woodruff: how worried are you either because of the mixed signals you were just referring to or intelligence and how it's read that there could be some kind of confrontation as a

result of a miscalculation, a misunderstand org for any reason? >> well, that's always a potentl, and as i indicated earlier, particular when you have a hostile force and military forces in close proximity as you certainly do in the strait. i don't think eith iran or the united states wants to get into a large military confrontation. i think this would be a bad thing for both sides. so i think we're going to have perhaps more of this rhetoric, which makes you a little apprehensive, but i think both sides are go dg to try all they can to avoid a major confrontation. sk woodruff: i do want to you about the mueller report. the specia counsel robert mueller, as you know, concluded there was no conspiracy, no illegal cooperation between the trump campaign and ruian officials, but you have said -- and i'm quoting you -- therxa wereles of what you call

passive collusion that you found troubling. what were you referring to? >> well, i think, to start with, one prime example is president -- or cansdidate trumxhortation to the russians on the 27th of july of 2016, where he enjoined the russians to go find the missing 30,000 e-mails -- >> woodruff: clinton' mails. -- of hillary clinton, alleged missing 30,000 e-mails. and, as we saw, and as graphically portrayed in thuee recenter report but even earlier than that in an earlier indictment, the russians did exactly what he asked them to do. at very day, after hours, the g.r.u. went and searched for those e-mails. we didn't know this contemporaneously, but certainly the trump tower meeting in june of '16, wherit appeared there was certainly a willingness to

accept help from e russians and, as themueller investigation report points out, that the campaign expected to benefit electorally from the support given to them by th.e russia but here we have our arch adversary helping one candidate against another. >> woodruff: well, in gainection with all that, as you know, the attorney general now has launched his own investigation into whether hat the intelligence community was doin back during the obama administration, what the epartment of justice and f.b.i. were doing in investigating the trump campaign, whether that was an appropriate action that was what do you know about that? was it appropriate? >> i think what wase was appropriate because of what the russians were doing, and what we w were only a smattering of what we now know were apparently dozens of encounters between

russian representativend members of the trump camp. lid, so, this h obvious counterintnce implications. so i think it's certainly appropriate for the attorney general to look back are there lessons learned here, do the procedures need to be changed, but i think what isom bothers to me is impugning the mot because our concern is the threat posed by -- and continues to be my concern- the throat pose bid the russians. >> woodruff: one, you ntioned the trump tower meeting. there was also a briefing at trump tower after had been elected that you and other intelligence officials participated in. >> mm-hmm. >> woodruff: the barr investigation is looking into whether contents of that meeting were leaked to the press. do you know anything about that? were you involved in leg? >> in leaking? no. there's been specific concern about the dossier, i guess -- >> woodruff: this is the former rusan -- i'm sorry --

former british -- >> the collection of 17 memos compiled by former retied british intelligence officer christopher steele which i think was regarded as a credible sorce by the f.b.i., and pretty hard to leak something that was ready widely available in the media, andthe dossier itself is not a cladossifieument. so to answer your question directly, no, and i don't know of anyone else in th intelligence community that knew about this that leaked anything to the media. >> woodruff: in the muellera report, there' reference to your saying that you could not certify to then president-elect trump that you knew that the dossier information was false. what can you -- is there anything you can tell us about your conversation with president trump? >> sur i recounted that in the book.

the context was, by the way, hi characterization on the 10t 10th of january of 2017, we briefed him on t 6th, the ofevious friday, the characterizationhe intelligence community is nazis. i felt, as the leader the intelligence community, i couldn't let that pass, so i called him and, amazingly enough, he took the call. during the course of that call, he asked me t put out a statementth refutin -- >> woodruff: the dossier. -- the dossier, which i couldn't do. i couldn't affiror refute it. i will say that some things in the dossier were corroborated from separate sources of information that we did have high confidence inin the original intelligence community assessment we rendered on t 6th of january. so i couldn't do that one way or the other. >> woodruff:o much to ask you out former director of national intelligence, james

clapper, thank you very much.nk >> tha judy. >> woodruff: many young, undomented people living in the u.s. worry president trump's immigration policies might put them at risk of deportation. for some, those fears have been realized. others left on their own accord. either way, xico has a growing community of people who were born there but feel more at home in the u.s. npr weekend edition host lulu garcia-navarro met some of them recently, and has this story. ( speaking spanish ) >> reporter: for gilberto olivas-bejarano this call is a bittersweet taste of home. when the 29-year-old gets lonely, which is often, hets phones his parn tulsa, oklahoma... 1,300 miles away from leon, mexico, where he ouves now. he doesn't talk himself or his new life to his family or to

friends. he prefers to imagine hself just around the corner from them. >> what are you doing? >> oh, i'm just hanging out a home. >> reporter: and it is a small home, where the walls are mostly bare and almost nothing is his-- except the pictures he's printed from his facebook page. he arrived in mexico two years ago with nothing and knowing no one. >> i was two-years-old, i think, the last time we were in mexico >> reporter: he's now crossed cee us mexico border twice in circumstbeyond his control. once when he was a toddler with his parents and again when he was deported as the trump administration cracked down o c the people wl themselves "dreamers." they were broughtdr as chil into the u.s. illegally, but many came out of the shadows in 2012 when president obama issuee cutive order protecting them from deportation, known as daca. >> it makes no sense to expel

talented young people, who, for all intents and purposes, are americans. >> i remember the day that obama announced, i was just, like, n my car after work just like, "oh, my god, something's fina >> reporter: before daca, he had dropped out of high school to focus on getting a g.e.d. and a heb. he was fearful thaouldn't advance his education undocumentedce but once he ed daca, he enrolled in community college. he is part of a new generation-n young, educacumented immigrants who gained legal status in the united states under daca. he thought he was finally safe-- but he was caught drinking and e iving-- a serious mistake for any american, but ich put his status in the united states at risk. >> that was the original d.u.i. and then, consequently led to me being deported. >> reporter: in 2014 and 2016 he racked up two convictions of driving under the influence. he was paying the fines, but under the trump administration,

new rules, old convictions were ieough to get him deported. after a job inteat a restaurant in 2017, an ice agent approached him. >> there was no discretion about it. he literally just pulled me ou of my car and put me in cuffs in >> reporter: that same year the trump administrareon decided to ind daca altogether. >> the department of justice cannot defend this overreach. >> reporter: olivas-bejarano took the advice of his lawyers not to challenge his deportation. before he left the he spent five weeks in a detention center. >> being openly gay, i was definitely targeted a lot. people would make comments like, inxual comments, sexual endoes. >> reporter: he was left at the border in texas after three daya us, in shackles. his first time back since he wa- two-yed. he could barely speak spanish. >> they'd hear my accent and they'd be like, "you're not from here are you? where are you from?" and then >> is not being able to see your faly the hardest thing here? >> yeah.

( sighs ) i think that's... the only hard thing, really, is not being able to hug my mom or hug my dad or harass my brother. ( crying ) i'm sorry. >> reporter: here in mexico, new organizations are springing up, looking to tap into this new generation's potential. thiss hola code in mexico city, started in 2017 after entrepreneur marla torres saw an opportunity. >> the tech sector was looking r people that are really resilient with transferable skills that can learn really fast and they know how to speak english and spanish. >> reporter: her five-month program trains deportees and returnees from the u.s. to become software engineers. and they are also taught other skills for their new life like w to fit into a mexican workplace.

>> we're definitely in a different culture than the u.s. >> reporter: they receive a weekly stipend and are onlyqu ed to pay for the program when they get a job. marcela views her program as solving e returnee's paradox: born in mexico, raised in the u.s., but at home in neither. >> you know, the american dream, like, they grew up with all these cultural messages. but they've also been denied to them. consistently. on both sides of theorder. >> reporter: she said that without programs like hers, this entire generation could fall retween the cracks. >> weeing generation 1.5 which is born in mexico, raised in the u.s., return to mexico. and the amount of people that are coming back, it's also very large. to an extent that if mexico doesn't do anything about this, 's going to be an entir generation that gets lost. >> reporter: even without mexico's help, generation 1.5 is forging their own path here.

people like mauricio lopez. he received daca protections, too. but once president trump was elected, with his anti- immigration rhetoric, lopez decided he'd had enough and returned back to mexico. he's now teaching english at a charity that helps returnees in a part of mexico city near the plaza de la revolucion. the memorial here commemorates mexico's revolution. it's become the unofficial hub for deportees and returnees like mauricio. e re in what's now called little l.a., businesses hrung up catering to this new community and one of them is the cactus burrito stand, where they llare litegiving people a taste ci home, burritos which are not common here in mexty. and they have names that remind people of what they've left behind: california, texas and even hawaii. for maggie loredo, home used to be georgia. she's using what she learned from her experience crossing the border to help this flood of new arvals over the last two years. >> people once they arrive, they find themselves, many of the times, undocumted again in

mexico-- in the sense that it's so complex and hard to obtain identity documents that are recognized in mexico. >> reporter: she says the mexican government hasn't helped enough, so she's taken matters into her own hands, co-founding a nonprofit called "otras dreams en accion"-- other dreams in action. >> we mutually support each other; we are politically advocating on both sides of the border, mexico and in the united states >> reporter: they work out of a space called "poch@ house"-- reclaimina word that some locals have begun using as a slur to describe american-raised ms.exic the walls at poch@ house are adorned wi - a map of the u.s. is studded with pins showing everyone's hometown. and a phrase on the wall captures their feeling of being in limbo: "de aqui e de alla." "from here and from there." >> there are a lot of multiple identities that i possess. but i mean one i think that i've mycome to an agreement witlf

that i can be de aqui, de mexico, but i am also the estados unidos, the allas, so i'm de aqui e de alla. >> reporter: back in leon, gilberto olivas-bejarano says he is also something in between, caught in the middle of two shifting identities. but he now feels it's what makes him stronger. he recently got a new apartment in a better part of town and explores hiseighborhood with his roommate. >> muchas gracias, senora. >> reporter: he has a job in the city of leon's bustlg shoe industry, which he says has plenty of potential for growth. >> this is my office. >> reporter: he grew up with the american dream, and now he's hoping that eam can come true in mexico. for the "pbs newshour," i'm lulu garcia navarro in mexico. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the "newshour," n y walter and tamara keith on

the latest movesthe race for th2020 democratic nomination, and finding inspiration in unlikely places-- san francisco artists turn trash into art. today the head of the united nations' health agency called an outbreak of ebola in the democratic republic of congo, "one of the most complex emergencies the w.h.o. has ever faced." re than 1,100 people have died from the deadly virus in two provinces along the borders of untries. r.at makes it the second worst ebola outbreak e but as nick schifrin reports, experts fear the outbreak nd increasing,he virus could soon spread. >> reporter: this is all that's left of a health clinic in democratic republic of congo north kivu. a local militia burned it down and threatened t doctors. since january there have been dozens of deadly attacks on clinics-- where beds nowit under openky.

in geneva today, the w.h.o. honored a murdered d.r.c. health worker. and director general tedros adhanom ghebreyesus warned the risk that ebola could spread to other countries was "very high." >> we are fighting one of the world's most dangerous viruses in one of the world's most dangerous areas. >> reporter: for a quarter century the region's residents have fled from armeextremist groups and militias. they attack the military and anyone who collaborates with the government. that means villages devastated by violence, now also wracked by disease, aren't safe for health workers, allowing the disease to spread. international organizations sit with villagers to fight deep distrust of foreign doctors and local authorities. medit l workers trola victims in new, transparent cubes tha risk.e transmission and they deliver a new, extremely effective vaccine. but it's not working. and health workers warn more peopleill die, and the

outbreak could spiral out of control. and joining me now is david miliband. just rushed from the democratic republic of congo whe his organization has over 150 people working to combat ebola. david miliband, welcome back to the "newshour". the numbers themselves are staggering -1,000 dead, 1600 infected -- but did you see a situation that's worse than the numbers suggest? >> yes, i think it's very important that people understand that, although this is already the second biggest ebola outbreak in history and it's the first ebola outbreak t take place in a conflict zone, which is what the east drc is. the real situnuation on the g is far more troubling. it's not just the number o cases are probably much higher, it's that the level of violencel including ce directed against health centers, three

itternational rescue comm health centers have been targeted and they have had to have services suspended, thatat means here is a real danger of the disease spreading, of the number of cas spiking, and of the kind of upsurge int death rates te've seen in previous outbreaks. >> that's alarming, from 2013 to 2016, three couries, we've seen over 11,000 people die. are you suggesting that's where we're headinnow? >> the great danger at the moment is the number of cases is already rising but not being recorded. the suspension of services doesn't just relate to health centers, it's also affected som the lab testing, it's also affected a criical part of the prevention and mcontrol sys which is the contract tracing. every time you find someone with ebola, you need to make sure that the 10, 20 people whom they e may havme in contact with are taking the necessary precautions.

so my great fear is we end up in a situation where we do approach a very significantly increased levels of dth. >> you talked about violence against doctors, violence against irc international rescue committee officials. the world health organizaon says there's been 119 attacks on health workers, 895 have been killed or wounded and, as you know, there's a lot of disinformation about what those doctors are doing. so what's the solution to that right now? >> well, you're making a ril important po this is a battle not just against a disease, it's a battle against fake news and a battle for public opinion. absolutely key, t central lesson of the ebola outbreaks that have happened before is winning the confidence of the community, and what's happened in this case is, clearly, this is an area of historic opposition to central government and it's an area where the rumor mill about ebola anhow it's being spread is i goingn precisely the wrong direction. we need to reset the response so

that, instead of the engament of the community cming as the last thing, it's actually the foundation ofhe response. it needs to be local people who are trained to do e prevention and control, its needs to be local people who are going around with the vaccine because there is a vaccine in this case, 100,000 people have had it but many more need to do so. without that, you have a massive trust gap whose worsustects are assaults on staff who are only there, after all, to serve local people. >> the trust gap, do you believe in part that was created by a failure to engage local communities up front? >> i think the short answer yes because ten months into the disease the trust gap hasotten worse, not better, the level of violence has gotten worsenot better, and, so, there's a careful coalition that needs to be built thaincludes the national world organizationshe likeorld health organization, it has to include the drc government ad'nis ry

of health, but it has to start the coalition with local people. the battle won't be won by jetting in more international .id work, it will be won from the bottom up with security and trust built from the bottom up. >> you're in new york. let's talk out the u.s. response. the c.d.c. had toull doctors from the area last year because it was too dangerous. the c.d.c. says they have about 17 people. they're trying to increase that. do you believe the united states government is doing enough? >> in this case, i think onean say with confidence that the is leading in a thoughtful, constructive, engaged way long may that continue. i think that the way.she. team are explaining the work they're doing, the way they engaging congress is all to the t'od, becauses going to be needed for some time to come. this is also the message that's also important, there's no quick fix for is now. the response plan put together by the intelligence community ends in july, and there's no way

that this outbreak is going to be over by july. we're going to need the u.s. to ay a leading role well beyond them. >> you will need the u.s. to play a leadle roe and the world health organization says it has only about half its requested funds how critical is it in this moment that the world community step u up? >> yuld expect in someone who's running an n.g.o. to come on ane d say mney is needed. i'm saying the first thing is to reset the response, but then more money will be needed. the response so far has consumed about $140 million, and just to put that in perspective, that's equivalent to the total heaelth bufor the whole of the democratic republic of congo. so you're talk about a significant sum of money by d.r.c. standards, relatively limited sum of money by internat.nal standar >> david miliband, president and c.e.o. of the international rescue committee, thank you very much. >> thank you so much.

>> woodruff: it is perhaps the most controversial issue facing the country, but this weekend democratic candidates for president did not shy away from the aissue rtion-- and neither did the president. amna nawaz brings us up to speed. >> reporter: in birmingham, alabama: >> make no mistake about it. these laws are dangerous, they are regressive, and they are blatantly unconstitutional. ( cheers and applause ) >> reporter: vermont senator bernie sanders criticized the just-passed alabama law that bans abortions after eight weeks. meanwhile, in new hampshire, during a fox news town hall, south bd, indiana mayor pete buttigieg said the next president should noo nate judges omise to uphold roe v. wade. >> i believe in the right of the woman to make her own decisions about her reproductive hhelth and aboubody is a national

right, it's an american freedom and i believe that should be enjoyeby every woman. ( applause ) >> reporter: the two democratic presidential candidates were not alone. new jersey senator cy booker, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren a kirsten gillibrand each said this weekend they, too, would nominate pro-roe judges, if elected. for his part, president trump said he disagrees with the alabama law. he tweeted saturday he is "strongly pro-life, with the three exceptions-- rape, incest otecting the life of the mother." ape alabama law has no exceptions foror incest. while abortion rights policies unitmost democratic candidates, several took to the trail this weekend to distinguish themselves on other issues. >> i'm running for our country, democrats, republicans, independents, different path. >> reporter: in philadelphia former vice president joe biden caought his message of unity for hiaign's official kick-off

rally, stressing his ability to bring the pay together. across the country in los angeles, california senator kamala harris announced an equal pay proposal that would punish corporations for wage discrimination. >> when you lift up the economic status of women, you lift up the economic status of families,co unities, and all of society. >> reporter: and senator sanders, during a multi-state tour through the soh, introduced a ten-point education plan on saturday, e 65th anniversary of the landmark brown v. board of education ruling the plan includes banning for- profit public schools, triple funding for tie i schools, working with states to increase teacher pay, and caalng $5- billion for summer and after- school programs. trying to set himself apart in a crowded field 23 candidates, with over eight months to go before the first votes are even case t. for bs newshour," i'm amna

nawaz. >> woodruff: and now that brings us to the analysis of our politics monday rduo, amy wal of the "cook political report" and host of "politics th amy walter" on wync radio and tamara keith, npr white house correspondent and co-host of the "npr politics" podcast hello to both of you. it is "politics monday." so let's start with where amna started in her reporting, amy, and that is with abortion. we are seeinger cotive-leaning states pass restrictive laws on women's access. clearly, humaconsequences to all this, but i want to ask both of you about the political calcul a. i mean, were hearing the candidates out on the trail, we are hearing the president. what do we see developing here? >> well, what you saw before the alabama case were republicans on the offens, sayi states

that were run by democrats, new york and california, they were passing laws that were overly what the president had called at one point infanticide, that they were supporting laws that would allow women to have abortions well into their third trimester and arguing that republicans wereay out of the mainstream. he was very comfortable with that line of attack. he used it a lot at his rallies. now we go and we see a number of states who now have these six-week bans andow alabama the most extreme of these, which is no exceptions at all except r the life of the woman. but it really comes to the heart of it, judy, when it comes to abortion politics, where most of the country is, not surprisingly, is in the middle. they don't want total access with no restrictions, but they also do not want it to be illegal in all circumstances, and this actually hasn't changed much. gallup has been polling opinions about abortion since 1976, and

opinions have been pretty similar, that only abo0% say abortion illegal in all circumstances, about 25 to 30% legal under any circumstance, the rest say there should be someti restrs but they don't want to see either extreme. >> woodruff: and increasingly, tam, eyes on the supreme court or the federal appealcourt, u have more democratic candidates saying this is going to bes a litmus for them, they'd only nominate judges as presidentho would pise not to overturn roe v. wade. >> rightand these laws in alabama and other place were written expressly with the idea that they would get to the supreme court. activists want these laws to be taken up by a supreme court that is now more favorable, they believe andope, to their viewpoint. they're hoping either these cases, these laws or some other way will lead to the repeal of roe v. wade. so the democratic c several of them in the last several days, have come out and said, yes, we will have aitmus

justice will not pick that would not uphold r. i interviewed pete buttigieg at the end of last week and asked him about a litmus test and he said it would be absolutely clear in his interviews with nominees that they would have to e.ree with him on this significant is >> woodruff: it's interesting. when you talk to those who are nominated for thert, though, wlater, they say the no litmus test -- >> even president trump, once he was in office was, le, oh, no, i didn't ask about that. >> woodruff: litmus testth -- i thine wall has been broken now in this era. w we've broken ol which was the filibuster, and now the idea of asking or just enly discussing the issue sov -- the issue of abortion with a justice given how intenselyemrats feel about this, but by the time the new opening could happen, we

may be at a very differt place than where states are on this issue. e. >> woodruff: another issue we heard at the end with bernie sanders is on education. he'ing about charter schools and how he would like to do away with all for-profit charter schools, no more federal funding. it's intrestinecause cory booker as the mayor of newark, new jersey, was known to be in favor, and this was back in an earlier erremarks you could say, but there's an interesting divide going on between some of daunts gthoing on oves. >> there's an interesting divide between cory booker now and whes hehe mayor of newark. he has notrmbraced charte schools now as a candidate and senator as he did when he was a pmayor. int, this is a reflection of an evolution in demliocratic cs about education and their views especially on charter schools. one reason for this is that a key constituency for democratsac are rs, in particular

teachers unions. they're some of the remaierng very pl unions in america, and teachers unions do not lik charter schools. >> woodruff: amy, you talked last week to the head of the a.f.t., the american federation -- >> it was fascinating and id said to her democrats at one point were embrace ago lot of these reforms.a this ws going on during the clinton administration, cory booker in newark, in obama administonraith arne duncan as part of the department of education, really embracin.g refo i said to her, in 2008, what would have happened if there were teachers strikes then because she was noting how eased she was how many democratic candidates were tweeting out support for the l.a. teachers. i said would any democrats tweeted suprt for teachers in 2008, she said absolute not. e said what we've seen in the last 10 or 15 years is unions were on their bafeet even among democrats, and this blue

bloom has sort of come off the rose in the last few years as charters have not lived up to their promise and the teacher strikes, i think, puthe focus back on teachers and the real consequences oft hadget cuts mean to most school children. he woodruff: so tuestion about whether some of these candidates are campaigning, the rust belt. so we saw joe biden, tam, over the weekenhid in philade big rally, talked about the importance of unity, brindeng crats together. lo and behold trump late today is headed forennsylvania, a different part of the state, but it looks as if these rust belt states that the president won in 2016 may be up for grat bs. is tat's going on? or we don't kno>>w? ennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, those three states, president trump won by a grand total of 70,000 votes. yo they were -- it was ver close, very tight then, and those states are not, like,

optional for president trump as he runs for reelection. they are a critical part in talking with his campaign. they are a critical part in his plan for reelection. so expect him t to to be back in those states a lot. that's why you have democrats going to states that don't have early primarto prove that they can get a big crowd in one of those states in the you were midwest. >> it's fascinating where the president chose to go. he's going to a county he w overwhelmingly last time and ntlyblicans have consis done well, between scranton and wilkes-barre. obama carried that county with 52%, hilliary clinton ca it only took 39%. obama won 63% in the county scranton is in, hillary clinton .nly got 50% we talk about the president, vice president. vice president was in philadelphia. there was lot of consternation among democrats that the wasn't enough turnout in

philadelphia in 2016, but that wasn't really the whole story. the role story was, in smaller counties, northeast r northeast pennsylvania where democrats used to be able to do at lea if not win, not lose by as big of a margin, hillary clinton lost significantly. ds those people to be as committed to him in 20. >> woodruff: and, so, what are the argument that they need to make, that he needs to make? >> he is making the arguments that he is going to continue making.is president trumnot mixing up his message very much. he is speaking to the base. really, the trump campaign believes that the voters that rs arebama-trump vote going to stay trump voters. that these sort of unlely voters will continue to support him, and polling would indicate he's been able to hold on to his base ptty well.

>> woodruff: scranton is j biden. >> yes. ob don't have to win, to hit the margins presidena did, but we need to do better -- this is a democrat makinghis argument -- than 39%. even if you just get to 45%, that's enough of an improvement when it was a 20,000 vote. when you lookth at 2018 suburbs were on philadelphia critical and turned out big for democrats. >> woodruff: amy wa tamera keith, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: now we take a look at an acclaimed program that supports artiso turn discarded items into diverse and significant works.ec l correspondent cat wise has our report, part of our "canvas" series on arts and culture. >> rorter: in a drab industrial building in san francisco, a lively crowd of art enthusiasts gathered recently for thnopening of exhibition.

in many ways, it was a typical art show. pieces were studied and discussed. >> i love these colors. >> reporter: but the work on fsplay was not typical. every material usem the colorful paints to the wood frames, came from a site just eps away: the city dump. >> my process is always messy and dirty.re so, it wasn'ly too far of a stretch for me. >> reporter: mark baugh-sasaki was one of the two local artists featured. his creations were the culmination of a four-month" artist in residence" program at san francisco's waste and recycling company, recology. >> that piece is called "mule." it is humorous, but it's also kind of thinking about travel and migration, about what peopl cath them. >> reporter: for nearly 30ue years, this unrogram, which is funded by recology and batepayers, has been a well- loved part of tharea art scene. but in recent years, the message that emees from the art--

about our consumption and waste habits, has taken on new urgency as the city strives to divert 100% of discarded its from landfills. about 170 professional and student artists have gone through competitive residency. they are given a studio ace, a small monthly stipend, and access to an area of the dump known as the "public recycling and reuse ea." here at san francisco's recology waste ocessing facility, 3,000 tons of compost garbage and recycling materials are discarded every day. like most dumps, it's smelly and dirty, but it is here where artists find materials for their work. es we followed along, baugh- saski and fellow rident artist leah rosenberg foundeveral interesting items they pulled from the heap. >>s this handy? >> yeah, actually. diok at that, it's a toy for

fferent locking mechanisms. >> reporter: what was the scavenging process like for you? >> overwhelming at times. when we first came there was very high activity, i think there were a lot of buildi projects. i'm from san francisco and a lot of the houses that i grew up in are a lot of those materials that are kind showing up here. you become excited about those materials. but you're also thinking about how the city is changing, and you're thinking about all these different things as you're out there. so it's a very layeredri expece. >> reporter: over thyears, all types of art have been created from san franciscans' trash. sculptures including a life-size hummer made of styrofoam, prints, large installations, puppets, fashion... ♪ ♪ ...and even a symphony performed on instruments made from discarded items. >> we can get people excited

about recycling, because we're not pounding them eaover the telling them to recycle. they come to the opening t d they see te artists have transformed these materials, and so hopefully, you know, we're transforming their habits and thr minds. >> reporter: deborah munk is the director of the program. she sayshile one of the main goals is to reduce waste, the art that is created should be taken seriously. >> we're not a junk art program, we're not a found art program, we're an internationally renowned art program whe many of the artists have never worked with found materials.d , this is their first experience, and so they have a challenge of, you know, they don't get to go out and buy wh they need, they have to respond rt whatever comes their way. >> reporter: for at leah rosenberg, whose love of color is evident in all her work, what came her way caught her by surise. so three weeks into the residency i found my own personal garbage. >> reporter: the year before rosenberg had created an

installation at san francisco museum with colorful cakes. the stands were disancarded b independent vendor and had found their way into the trash before her. e es this mean that this is a moment where i h just watch them go, or is this sort of a responsibility as an artist to turthis thing into something lasting? and i picked the second. >> reporter: she managed to get 40 of the original 80 stands out, and their tops becameer canvas. >> i was inspired by watching the staff at the household hazardous waste mix the paint, all of the colors wereg in together, but not as a whole solid. my goal was... my golden was to make the most

beautiful and lasting series of paintings that i cld. >> reporter: recology now has sindlar programs in portland seattle. and in san francisco, a new crop of artists is turning trash into treasure. e "pbs newshour," i'm cat wise.dr >> wf: a symphony from instruments created from the trash. you have to love it. tonight,'m judy woodruff. for all of us at the "pbs new tonight. thank you and i'm judy woodruff. join us on-line and again here toforrow evening. all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> babbel. a nguage app that teaches real-life conversations in a new language, like spanish, french, german, italian, and more. babbel's 10-15 minute s are available as an app, or online. more information on babbel.com. >> for projects around the house, home advisor helps find s,cal pros to do the work.

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