tonight on kqed newsro growing divisions over whatho sd happen next following special counsel robert mueller public refusal to exonerate president trump. and we talked one on one with presidential candidate, bait beto o'rourke. ndan francisco could be the first city in the nation to provide free substamee abuse tre and mental health care. welcome to our new studio that we'll be taping in for the next two years during ofe renovation he new building. we kn gin with the ongoing feud between house democrats and the white house.un special l robert mueller declined to clear prent trump of obstruction of justice in his first public comments on his two-year investigation. he said quote if he had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, he would have said so.

after the comments, president trump declared he is innocent and the case is closed. butemocrats say the remarks show it's the responsesability of the house and senate to fully investigate the president's actions. joining me is one of the key law kers that will decide. ongressman adam schiff. nice to have you here in our new studio. i know you have a bit of laryngitis. so we will tr to have you carry through as much as you can. me'll talk about special counsel robert mueller in ent. but first i wanted to ask you about presint trump's announcement on the tariffs on mexico and that all good on mexico will ave a5% tax beginning next month and that increases to as much as25% until the flow of undocumented immigrants stops. what is your reaction to that? >> i think it's a poor and likely imepech ws decision by the president. and every time he does this

thing his staff try to run around and showhat this is a well thought-out that areagy that was well thought oum.by their t it's not going to help the migration situation, the trade situation. it's likely to inflict a lot off pain on americans who end up paying theseariffs. it's going to raise the cost of goods. i'm not suree can how this is going to help matters at all except allow the president to vent in a way that is counterpructive. >> let's talk about robert mueller. his remarks were very short this week. what else would you have nted to hear from him? were youiatisfied what he said? >> as far as it went but i'm not satisfied that this is all the country needs hear from bob mueller. he needs to testify before congress. >> will you subpoena him? >> i hope it won't come to that. i hope he'll recognize this is

one stduty he'll need perform for the country, even thoughot it's something he'll eagerly look forward to. >> wha if he continues to refuse? >> that's a decision when we get to that point. that efects the entire house because it can lead to litigation. but i hope that his senseoff duty will motivate him if he wants the public toan unders that report, it's not sufficient to say read it. there's a lot that we want to ask him about also. >> he's made it clear that if if he testifies, that 448-pag report, he says, is his testimony. >> he would like to do b but he doesn't necessarily have the last word. the american people have a right to hear from the man who did the investigation for the last two years. we'd like to know about the counterintelligen repor that he eluded to in his report but we have no idea what they have to s.

what he looked at was did thet presidommit a crime or othe othersommit a crime? who should be indicted. and there's a lot of counterintelligence information that goes to compmise, goes to sk off the country. if people are compromised in me way that may not be criminal, it can behe nonss just as dev staastatg if it meas u.s. policy is countereffect said. >> he made it clear it's very muchat the forefront off his report. what are you doing to make su we're not at risk of that kind of meddling again in 2020? >> yore abb solutely right. feral started by talking about the russian intnce and systemic. and it's as if he is saying, hey, in the debate over imepeaching and not impeaching, let's not over look the most

serious part of the report and that is a foreign c country interfered in our election and i think implied is they will do it again and we need to be preparaed. we are trying to do everything we can to understand exactly what the russians dy and how thd to make sure we're devoting our resources to detecting what they're doing now. >> how confident can we be we won't see this kind off interference in 2020? >> i don't think we can be confident at all. we may be better at gettingnc ad notice because we have ourias wide open. but the kind of top down government approach we need isn't happening but the president won't do it. he wants to claim it's a hoax. feels it's a threat to his legitimacy by admitting it happened. and tellingn vladimir putin the phone he considers this a hoax, he's basically telling

putin youn can count me to be too weak to call you out and once more, i'm even grateful for it. it seems to boo ethe mesge implust insidingntver his own ligence agencies. >> and nancyht pelosi bro it up this week when she said she now thinks faulk wcebook was a willing enabler. she came to tha conclusion when they failed to take down that altered video of her. she says she thinks facebook knowingly allows fake information on its site. do you think facebook was lying when it says it was an unwitting victim? >> with respect of the vid they continue to allow to be exhibited on facebook that is clearly ea falsified video to make it look like speaker pelosi is drunk or has a speech impediment.

the facts youtube took it down and facebook refused to is inexcusable. they're making the case for their immunity from liability. that may be the only step to force them to rdase their sts. >> you're untown for the state democratic convention in frisco this weekend and we have lotse f dential candidates coming through. and increasingly more of them are stepping forward and calling for an impeachment inquiry foll ming robertller's remarks and more democrats can coming forward. said quote we're beyond talking about this in terms off political implication. we have to do what's right. is it time r impeachment inquiry? >> i certainly gree this is not something we should valuate through a political lens. does this help or hurt democrats un2020? we should be looking at what's best for the country.

>> is it time when you'rel king at what's best for the country? >> i'm still not red a to pull that trigger. and what stays my hand is the recognition of where this leads us is an ajudeication this conduct is not impeachable. that concerns me greatly. putting the country through allh that to reac result. i have to say i am uncomfortab wit the idea that this conduct, can which to me renders him sou it for office, not just the ubb struxz of justice but any number oother acts of the president. that the failure to impeach sends its own message. when i get to the point,and i may decide this needs to be done whatever the result is in the sena ie, then will push aggressively for it but i'm not there yetou >> thank

the state democratic convention is happening in san francisco this weekend. 13 of the presidential candidates areuntown, including beto o'rourke oof texas. and he joins us now in the studio. >> thanks for having it's an honor. >> first of all there are so many candidates in the democratic field. what do you think setsou apart from the 22 other candidates? >> i think about what we faces right now in this country. you have tens of millions who cannot affordhealth care or d well enough to live to their full potential. you have an economy that is roaring and left out millions of our fellow oamericans who live two and three jobs. you have an opportunity c can havmate change. you have about a two or threeear window. the droughts in texas, the floods in missouri and iowa, alp that willle in comparison to

what we see going forward.>> give me one example off what you would do that would be different from the other candidates. >> you face all those challenges and a wnowledgere as divided as we've evern bith a president whawano wants to furt undermine democracy. on the trail for the u.s. senate in texasas been about bringing people together and being sure this democracy works. witho a single dime from a single pack, we won more sotes than agle texan had. we won independence for the first time undecades. 500,000 republicans joined our cause. and in a state that was 50 lgt in voter turn outds is a top contender nationally. we needo that nationally and bring every american. into the solution into the challenges. >> y come from texas, lots of undocumented immigrants there.

we have a large population in california. we're both border states.st we undd. >> we live immigration in californ and texas. so let's use that experience to lead this country. not apologize, not be defensive. ask that those 9 million permit residents, green card holders, by mailing them citizenship fees and allow them to register with tovernment and they too can be on the path to citizenship, contributing to their full potential toour success. and let's never again cage another child or deport another mother back from the cuntry ith which she fled and invest inio solu in honduras and gau a guatemala and el salvador. those arean amer values and i think we can get the movement

that will be required, not just to defeat donald trump in november of 2020, which is critical, but to bring america together over ideas like this. >> given howre divided we as a country and that previous presidents including geor w. bush have tried and failed to get president toas p comprehensive immigration reform. frrbsz what do you think it i about your plan that will allow you to succeed when other presidents have failed to do so? >> this crisis that the president has provoked, the chaos he h createded on the border with the inhumaneen trea has spurred the national conscience and has trained our focus on t border. we want to solve and resolve this problem. the best way do that is to ge92 source, help reduce violence in the home countries. to make sure we're treating those with the humanity they deserve and for once to insure our immigration laws reflect our

values and ourlived experience in california or in my home .mmunity of el paso, tex ham lishening to people around the country andknow we can do that. we've only been stopped by politicians in ons of power and public trust who have been unwilling to do the right thing because it may effect their polling numbers, they may have been paid faby the packs. we'regoing to put people first and when we do that, we move on things like immigration. >> i know your time is tight while you're in town. there's been a lot of talk, especially on therogressive side about the need for a single payer health system in the u.s. where do you stand on that? >> i want to make sure we get to guaranteed my quality universal care. the fastest way is to do that for medicare for america.we enroll you in america if you're uninsured today. if you can't afford your co pays

or premiums, you're able to enroll. but if you're one of the tnsff millions who have employer-sponsod insurance and like it because it work sfrzia and your family, your rrb able to keep it. i think that's the fastest way to get there and improve tens of mill objecti millions o everyone is well enoughf to perform to their highest potential. >>ver everything from impeachment, to medicare for all, which progressives wts. a time they need pull to defeat the current administration >> i think this can still be the democracy on the face of the planet. i think w have the capacity to have these ideasut at the end oof the day we need to unite whoever our nominee is and insure they bring this country

together in january of 2021 to achievthese priorities. that's what i want to do. it's the way i'vese always ved, the way i'm campaigning and what alove about being on the trail here in californ the other states we've visited so far. >> you're one ofsi 11 pential candidates on the democratic side who support startingt impeachmoceedings againstt. did special counsel robert mueller's recent remarks change your thinking about that? >> no, i think robert muell i macrystal clear to this country. he said this is an issue that demands the attention of every american can. w we were systematically attacked by a foreign power, he told us inis statement. and then he specifically callees out the ent and said he was unable to clear him when it came to obstruction of justice and said there's another remedy, in other words, congress, the ball is in your court. if you care about the democracy,

more than your polling numbers or orthe majority you may have in the houses o representatives, you care because you know we can't get it back once we have lost it you will move forward on impeachment so we can insure this country is a country of laws and not a country of men who are abovive the law. >> how do you think history will remember donald trump? >> not kindly. he has been the worst president we have ever had. he's done large, lasting damage to this count, to our standing irn the world, to millions of our fellow americans. and the work of repair must begin at once and in part, that's the way i'm campaignin i think to bring people together at a very medevaded with a divisive president who wants to keep can us apart,ake us angry, i want to bring us together and make sure for the big challenges and this defining moment of truth. i know we are.

we just need a president that reflects that. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. grateful. we turn our attention to healt they announced a plan to provide free mdntal health care an substance abuse treatment to any city resident, even those with health insurance bp. a ballot measure would ask voters to approve a tax for ceos who make 100 times more than workers. and meanwhile, across the bay, oakland moves one step closer to being the second city in the natioafter denv to decriminalize the use of psychedelic mushroom here to discuss is april and hue humfry a psychologist and professor of psychology at stanford university.

san francisco supervisors, hillary and matt are pushing for a november ballot measure. why do they want to make mhutal lth services free even for those who can afford to pay for it? >> think this is their sda statement that they're unhappy with the entire statement. just recently physicians at ke kaiser permanente are saying their patients have to wait too long, sometimes up to two months. supervisor ronan actually attended theirrst strike in december saying she herself has experienced these problems. and so they want to create a cent centerope 24 hours a day where anyone can come in see a psychiatrist, getmedications and part of the problem have insurance navigators get apoint mtds that are covers by their insurance. >> you have spent 30 years

researching addiction. good idea or are there unintended consequences? >> it's always good to see people prioritizing mental health.ts their here in the rightplas. place. what i worry about is in san frsk eowe have a large market of cash-only people and mainly take care of middle class and i'm sure they would be happy to have the city pick up the tab. eut i don't think that's probably what re aiming for. i want it to be designed to focus on the people we see when we walk through the streets of san francisco. extremely low income pople who suffer from disorders like schizophrenia.o >> do set optriage system, f for example? >> i think that'spart of it about being realistic about what

you can accish and for whom. and i think people in the city would like that because of the interaction. >> and on the broader issue of therapy, april, even peop with health insurance they have whoble finding a therapist is accepting new patients. is there anything happening at e state-wide level? >> i think it goes to th market that humpfries was talking about. people that can pay cash and who areut stressed at work instead of working patients wi really severe complicated, complex. and insurance companies don't make it very easy to naviga the system especially the press. it'sff really ult. so stte regulators do take home action. thur audit ice companies

and make sure they have enough solutions to meet the deman. but a lot of that isependent on the insurance company's own data and they really effected the insurance companies. you w can emulat it's like. >> and how widespread are some of these issues? >> depression is actually the lding cause oof disability on earth. 10 to 12% ared aversely effected by depression. they have people who love them and effect theirl falife, marriages, their interactions with people at work. so it's absolutely something that shoul be prioritized in the health care system but it isn't. we spend about 1% of our entire health care budget on addiction so on be another 5% or

ntal health. >> what about psychotic disor rrs? >> they'e. about 1% of the population have a risk for things likehr schizia where you lose touch with reality and are unable to takef care of yourse orrer fend for yourself. they're rare but on the other hand they're extremely disabling. and for their fami ses. you walk around san francisco eo, you mention this. you see people who seem like they're suf from some kind of mental health disord oers. as opposed to those who are homeless entirely due to economic displacement? >> i think myndstanding is 30 to 40% of people who are homeless have mental i. once you become homeless, the

symptoms of mental illness can be exacerbated by ving on the street, similarly with -- people may become homeless for eco reasons and begin to use drugs because of their homeless situation. >> and is there a city or country or couy out there that you think has a good model for treating or preventing mental illness? >> we debt have to fook very away to find a good example and that's kpan du. there was famous study can compari comparing who gets mental health services he and in canada. in canada the more severy you are, there services you get. here it's the other way around. we do a good job overall. modest mental concerns. things people have. their lives are fairly in tact, ey have a life, family a soen o. but we do a criminally lousy job

aking care of people who are reallydisabled, usually estranged from their families and don't have a place to live. >> i have to move on to a related topicic and that is oakland considering following denver's canxale by decriminalizing certain psychedelics. what's the reason behind that? >> i think part of it is a it civil justi issue and not sending people to prison. and there's a histfry using these in theou indig community for spiritual and mystical reasons. and the peoplesh pg for this are siting the therapeutic benefit of mushrooms. >> what are those benefits? >> there have been studies looking at this, especially the studies tend to be small but looking especially at anxiety

end of life, they found mushros can ease that anxiety. and there have been other studies of mdma tretting ptsd in this is pretty earlien in terms of the science. >> and they're noti addi and oere are no known cases of someone over dosion them. from a clinical standpoint are there concer clinicians have? >> they're the least addictive of all therugs you could use recreationally and that's good thing but that doesn't mean s. they're harml and there are people taking hallucinogenic drugs that end up with something like schizophrenia. thatseems mostommon if they come from a family that has that hist r and it happens sometimes with people that don't

have that history. it doesn't mean theyree of harm >> what do you think now th're being evaluated for things like treating depression, anxiety or ptsd? >> in some parts desperation. if you look at psychiatry in gen al the last or 50 years we've had many moments where this is the new medication. whether it's a plant oli a mushroom or ersomething developed, and studies don't p replicated and people are still struggling. we're at a moment where we want to try everything.oe that apply to the mushrooms. they're small studies. th could very easily not replicate. frrg around fo w a while thld be my bet.

>> these studies are in a highly controlled environment where they sit with two therapists the whole time. th's not how most people >> and thank you both for being here and that will do it for us. as always you can find more of our coverage at kqed.com/newsroom. thank you for joining us. ♪

robert: mueller finally speaks out, but what now? i'm robert costa. welcome to "washington week." robert mueller defends his report and his decisions. >> if we had had confidence that the president carly didot commit a crime we would have said so. we did not however make a determination as to whether them president didt a crime. >> there's no crime. there was no charge because he had no information. >> impeachment calls grow louder but speaker pelosi won't be pushed. >> many constituents want to impeach the president, but we rnt to do what is right and what getsults. robert: and the president launches trade war with mexico, next. ♪ announcer: this is "washington week."