tonight on kqed newsroom growing divisions over what should happen next following special counsel robert mueller public refusal to exonerate president trump. and we talked one on one with presidential candidate, bait beto o'rourke. and san francis could be the first city in the nation to provide free substance abuse treatment and mental care. welcome to our new studios that we'll be taping in for the ne ldo years during the renovation of the new buiing. kn gin with the dongoing f between house democrats and the white house. ecial counsel robert mueller declined to clear president trump of obstruction of justice in his first public comments on his two-year investigation. he said quote if he had confidence the president clearly didom not ct a crime, he would have said so.

after the comments, president trump declared he is innocent and the case is closed. but democrats say the remarks show it's the responsesability of the house and senate to fully nvestigate the president actions. joining me is one of the key la makers that wcide. congressman adam schiff. nice to have you here in our new studio.i now you have a bit of laryngitis. so we will try to have you carry through as much as you can. we'll talk about special counsel robert mueller in a moment. but first i wanted to ask you about president trump's announcement on the tariffs on mexico a that all good on mexico will have a 5% tax beginning next month and that increases to as much as 25% until the flow of undocumented immigrants stops. what is your reaction toha >> i think it's a poor and likely imepech ws decision by the president. fnd every time he does this

thing his stry to run around and show that this is well thought-out that areagy that was well thought out by eir team. it's not going to help the migration situation, the trade situation. it's likely to inflict a lot off pain on americans who end up paying these tariffs. it's going to raise the cost of gds. i'm not sure i can see how this is going to help matters at all except allow the president to vent in a way that is counterproductive. >> let's talk about robert mueller. hi remarks were very short this week. what else would you have wanted to hear from him? were you satisfied with what he saidfa >> as as it went but i'm not satisfied that this is all theu y needs hear from bob mueller. he needs to testify before congress. >> will you subpoena him? >> i hope it won't come to that. i hope he'll recognize this is

one last duty he'll need perform for the country, even though it's not somg he'll eagerly look forward to. >> what if he continues to refuse? >> tent's a decision e get to that point. that efects the entire house because it can lead to litigation. but i hope that his sese off duty will motivate him if he wants the public tohaunderstand report, it's not sufficient to say read it.t re's a lot that we want to ask him about also. >> he's made it clear that if if he testifies,at t 448-page report, he says, is his testimony. >> uld like to do be, but he doesn't necessarily have the last word. the american people have a right to hear from the man who did the investigation for the last two years. we'd like to know about the counterintelligence reports that he eluded to in his report but we have no idea what they have to saw.

what he looked at was did the president commit a crim or othe others commit a crime? who should be indicted. and there's at of counterintelligence information that goes to compromise, goes tt risk off the c. if people are compromised in some wa that may not be criminal, it can be nonetheless just as dev staastating if it m u.s.re policy is counect said. >> he made it clear it's very muchor at theront off his report. what are you doing to make sure we're not at risk of that kind of meddling again in 2020? >> you're abb solutely right. muraler started by talking about the rus systemic.erence and and it's as if he is saying, hey, in the debate over imepeaching and not impeaching, let's not over look the most

serious part of the report and that is a foreign canin country erfered in our election and i think implied is they will do it again and we need to b preparaed. we are trying to do everything we cano understand exactly what the russians dud and how they did toake sure we're devoting our resounges to detechat they're doing now. >> how confident cane be we won't see this kind off interference in 2020? >> i don't think wencan be confat all. we may be better at getting advanced noecause we have ourias wide open. but the kind of top dow government approach we need isn't happening but the president won't do it. he wants to claim it's a hoax. feelsit's a threat to his legitimacy by admitting it happened. and telling vladimir putin on the phone he considershis a hoax, he's basically telling

putin you cacount on me to be too weak to call you out and once more, i'm even grateful for it. it seems to boo ethe message implust insiding over his own intelligence agencies. >> and nancy pelosi brought it up this week when she said she now thinkss faulcebook was a willing enabler. she came to thatconclusion when they failed to take down that altered video of her. she says she thinksok faceb knowingly allows fake information on its site. do you think facebook wasyg when it says it was an unwitting victi >> with respect of the vid they continue to allow to be exhibited on facebook that is clearly ea falsified video to make it look like speaker pelosi is drunk or has a speech impediment.

the facts youtube took it down and facebook refused to is inexcusable. they're making the case for their immunity from liability. that may be the only step to force them to raise their standards. >> you're untown for the state democratic convention inis fris eekend and we have lots of presidential candidates coming through. andincreasingly more of them are stepping forward and calling for an impeachment inquiry following robert mueller's remarks and more democrats can coming forward. said quote we're beyond talking about this in terms off political implication. ve to do what's right. is it time for impeachment inquiry? >> i certainly agree this is not something we shouldou valuate th a political lens. does this help or hurt democrats un2020? we should be looking at what's best for the country.

>> is it time when you're looking athat's best for the country? >> i'm still not red a to pull that trigger. and what stays my hand is the leads tion of where this us is an ajudeication this conduct is not impeachable. that concerns me greatly. putting the country through all thato reach that result. i have to say i am uncomfortable with the idea that this conduct, can which to me renders him so unfit for office, not just the ubb struxz of justice but any number of other acts of the president. at the failure to impeach sends its own message. when i get to the point, and i may decide this needs to be done whatever the result is in the senate, then i will push aggressively for it but i'm not there yet. thank you.

the state democratic convention is happening in san francisco this weekend. 13 of the presidential candidates are untown, including beto o'rourke oof texas. and he joins us now in the studio. >> thanks foraving me on. it's an honor. >> first of all there are so many candidates in the democratic field. what do you think sets you apart from the 22 other candidates? >> a i thiut what we faces right now in this country. you have tens of millions who cannot afford health care or do well enough to live to their full potential. you have anha economyis roaring and left out millions of our fellow oamericans who live two and three jobs. you have an opportunity to can have climate change. youave about a two or three-year window. the droughtsintexas, the floods in missouri and iowa, all tha will pale in comparison to

mat we see going forward. >> give one example off what you would do that would be different from the other candidates. >> you face all those challenges and acknowledge we're as divided as we've ever been with a president whawanwants to furthe undermine democracy. on the trail for the u.s. senate in texas has been aboutriing people together and being sure this democracy works. without a single dime from a single pack, we won more votes than any single texan had. we won independence for the first time undecades. 500,000 republicans joined ou cause. rnd in a state that was 50 lgt in voter toutds is a top contender nationally. we nee do tha nationally and bring every american. >> into the solution into the challenges. >> you comeromtexas, lots of undocumented immigrants there.

we have a large population in california. we're both border states. we understand. >> we live immigration in california and texas. so let's u t that experien lead this country. not apologize, not be defensive. ask that those 9 million permit residents, green card holders, by mailing them citizenship fees and allow them register with this government and they too can be on the path to citizenship, contributing to their full potential to our success. and let's never again cage another child or deport another mother back from the country sh with which fled and invest in solutions in honduras and gau a guatemala and el salvador. those are american values and i think we can get e movement

that will be required, not just to defeatt donalmp in november of 2020, which is critical, but to bring america together over ideas like this. >> given how divided w are as a country and that previous presidents including george w. d to have tried and fai get president to pass comprehensive immigration reform. frrbsz what do you think it is about your plan that will alow u to succeed when other presidents have failed to do so? >> is crisis that the president has provoked, the chaos h has createded on the border with the inhumane treatments has spurred the national conscience and has trained our focus on the border. we want to solve and resolve this problem. the best way do that is to ge92c so help reduce violence in the home countries. to make sure we' treating those with the humanity they deserve and for once to insure our immigration laws reflect our

values and our lived ieexpe in california or in my home community of el paso, texas. i'm lishening to people around the country and thaw know we can do that.e we've only stopped by politicians in pusitions of power and publ trust who have been unwilling to do the right thing becaus it m effect their polling numbers, they may have been paid faby the packs. 're going tout people first and when we do that, we move on things like immigration. >> i know your time is tight while you're in town. there's been a lot of talk, especially on the progressive side about teed for a single payer health system in the u.s. where do you stand on that? >> i want to make se w get to guaranteed my quality universal care. the fastest way is to do that llr medicare for america. we enr you in america if you're uninsured today. yo you can't afford your co pays

or premiumsre able to enroll. but if you're one of the tnsff millions who have employer-sponsored insurance ans like it be it work sfrzia and your family, your rrb able to keep it. i think that'she fastest way to get there and improve tens of mill objecti millions of lives and insure everyone is well enoughf to perform to their highest potential. >> over everything from impeachment, tocare for all, which progressives wants. a time they need pull together to defeat the current administration >> i think this can still be the democracy on the face of the planet. i think we have the capacity have these ideas but at the end oof the day we need to unite whoever our nomineend is insure they bring this country

together in january of 2021 to achieve these priorities that's what i want to do. it's the way i've always the way i'm campaigning and what i love about being on the trail here in c ifornia and theher states we've visited so far. >> you're one of 11 presidential candidates on the democratic side w support starting impeachment proceedings againstt. did special counsel robert mueller's rece remarks change your thinking about that? >> no, i think robert mueller made it crystal clethis country. e said this is an issue th demands the attention of every american can. w we were systematicallyby attacd foreign power, he told us in his statement. and then he specifically called out the president and said he was unable to clear him when it came to obstruction of justice and said there's another remedy, in s,her wo congress, the ball is in your court. if you care about the mocracy,

more than your polling numbers or orthe majority you may have in the houses of representatives, you care because you know we can't get it back once welo have it you will move forward on impeachment so we can insure thisuntry is a country of laws and not a country of men who are abovive the law. >> how do you think history will remember donald trump? >> not kindly. he has been the worst president we have ever had. he's done large, lasting damage to this country, to our standing irn the world, to millions of our fellow americans. and the work of repair must begin at once and in part, that's the way i'm campaigning. i think to bring people together at a very devaded w timeh a divisive president who wants to keep can us apar make us angry, i want to bring us together and make sure we're up for the big challenges andin th dg moment of truth. i know we are.

we just need a president that reflectshat. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. grateful. we turn our attention to health. they announced a an to provide free mental health ce and substance abuse treatment to any city resident, even those with health insurance bp. a ballot measure would ask voters to approve a tax for ceos who make 100 times more than workers. and meanwhile, across the bay, oaklandt moves one closer to being the second city in the nation after denver to decriminalize the use of psychedelic mushrooms. here to discuss is april and hue mfry a psychologist and professor of psnfhology at sd university.

san fncisco supervisors, hillary and matt are pushing for a november ballot measure. why do they want to make minutal health services free even for those who can afford to pay for it? >> i think this is their sda stat ent that they're unhap with the entire statement. just recently physicians at kaisi r permanente are saying their patients have to wait too long, sometimes up to two months supervisor ronan actually attended their first strike in december saying she herselfedha experiehese problems. and so they want to create a cent centerope 24 hours a day wheren an can come in see a psychiatri, get medications and part of the problem have insurance navigators get apoint mtds that are covers by their insurance. >> you have spent 30 years

researching addiction. good idea or are there unintended consequences? >> it's always good to see people poritizing mental health. their hearts are in the rightplas. place what i worry about is in san frisk eowe have a large market of ch-only people and mainly take care of middle class and i'm surehey would be happy to have the city pick up the tab. but i don't think that's probably what they're aiming for.i ant it to be designed to focus on the people we see when we whk throughstreets of san francisco. extremely low income people who suffer from disorders like schizophrenia. >>do you s optriage system, for example? >> i think that's part of it about being realistic about what you can accomplish and for whomh

and ink people in the city would like that because of the interaction. >> and on the broader issue of erapy, april, even peoplewith health insurance they have trouble finding a therapist who is accepting new patients. is there anything happening at the state-wide level? >> i think it goes to the market that humpfries was talking about. people that can pay cash and who are stress out at work instead of working patients withy rea severe complicated, complex. and insurance companies don' make it very easy to navigate the system. especially the press. it's really difficult. so state regulators do take home action. theyudit insurance companies

and make sure they have enough solutions to meet the demands. but a lot of that is dependent on the insurance compy's own data and they really effected the insurance companies. you can emulate what it's like. >> and how widespread are some ofthese issues? >> isdepression actually the leading cause oof disability on earth. 10 to 12%er ared ely effected by depression. they have peopleov who them and effect their family life, marriages, the interactions th people at work. so it's absolutely something th should be prioritized in the health care system but it isn't. abwe spendt 1% of our entire health care budget on addiction and maybe another 5% or so on

mental health.>> what about psychotic disorders? >> they're rare. about 1%of the population have a risk for things like schizophrenia where you lose touch with reality and are unable to take care oeryourself orend for yourself. they're rare but on the other hand they're extremely disabling. ond for their families. >> so walk around san francisco eo, you mention this. you see people who seem like they're suffering from some kind of mental health disord oers. as opposed to those who are homele entirely d to economic displacement? >> i think my understanding is 30 to 40% of people who are homeless have mental illness. once you become homeless, the

symptoms of mental illness can exacerbated by living on the street, mirly with -- people may become homeless for economid reasons begin to use drugs because of their homeless situation. >> and is there a city or country or county oute ththat you think has a good model for treating or preventing mentalne il? >> we debt have to look very far away to find a good example and thas kpan du. there was a famous study can compari comparing who gets mental health services here and in canada. in canada the more severy you ar y the more service get. here it's the other way around. we do a good job overall. modest mental concerns.av things people their lives are fairly in tact, they have a life, family and soen o. but we do a criminally lousy job

taking care of people who are reallybl di, usually estranged from their families and don't have a place to live. >> i have to move on to a related topicic and that is oaklandsi cring following denver's can example by in decrizing certain psychedelics. what's the reasonbehindhat? >> i think part of it is a it civil justice iss and not sending people to prison. and there's a history of using these in the indigenous community for spiritual and mystical reasons. and the people pushing for this are siting the therapeutic benefit oz of mushrooms. >> what are those benefits? >> there have been studies looking at this, especially the studies tend to be small but looking especiayat anxiety

end of life, they found mushrooms can ease that anxiety. and there have been other studies of mdma treating ptsd in vets. th is pretarlien in terms of the science. >> and they're not addictive and there are no known cases of someone or dosing on on them. from a clinical standpoint are there ncerns clinicians have? >> they're the least addictive of all theou drugs could use recreationally and that's good thing but that doesn't mean they're harmless. and there are people taking hallucinogenicat drugs end up with something like schizophrenia. that seems most common if they come from a family that has that hist raw and it happens sometimes with people that don't

have that history. it doesn't mean they're free of harm what do you think now they're eing evaluated for things like treating depression, anxiety or ptsd? >> in some parts desperation. if you look at psychiatry in general the last 40 or 50 years we've had manymoments where this is the new medication. whether it's a plant olike a mushroom or ersomething developed, and studies don't p replicated and people are still struggling. we're at a moment where we want to try everything. that does apply to the mushrooms. they're small studies. they could very easily not replicate. frrg around for a ile that would be my be >> these istudies aa highly

controlled environment where they sit with two therapists the whole time. that's not how most people >> and thank you both for being here. and that will do it for us. as always you can find more of our coverage at g ed.com/newsroom. thank you for join. ♪

robert: mueller finally speaks now?but what i'm robertta cos welcome to "washington week." robert mueller defends his report and his decisions. >> if we hon haddence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have so. we did not however make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. >> there's no crime. there was no charge because he had no information. >> impeachment calls grow lder but speaker pelosi won't be pushed. >> msty cuents want to impeach the president, but we want to do what is right and what gets results. robert: and the president launches a trade war with mexico, next. ♪ announcer: ts is "washington week."