tonight on nekqed room growing divisions over what should happen next following special counsel robert mueller public refusal to exonerate president trump. and we talked one on one with presidential candidate, bait beto o'rourke. > and san francisco could be the first city in the nation to provide free substance abuse treatment and mental health care. welcome to our new studios that we'll be taping in for the next two years during the renovation of the new building. we kn gin with the ongoing feud between house democrats and the white house. special counsel robert mueller p declined to cresident trump of obstruction of justice in his first public comments on his two-year investigation. he said quote if he had confidence the president clrly did not commit a crime, he would have said so.

after the comments, president trump declared he is innocent and the case is closed. but democrats say the remarks show it's the responsesability of the house and senate toti fuy invte the president's actions. joining me is one of the key law makers that will decide. congressman adam schiff. nice to have you here in our new studio. i know you have a bit of laryngitis. so we will try to have you carry through as much as you can. we'll talk about special counsel robert mueller in a moment. but first i wanted to ask you about president trump's on uncement on the tariff mexico and that all good on mexico will have a 5% tax beginning next month and that increases to as much 25% until the flow of undocumented immigrants stops. what is your reaction to that? >> i think it's a poor and likely imepech ws decision by the president.

and every time he does this thing his staff try to run around and show that this is a well thought-out that areagy that was well thourt out by theam. it's not going to help the migration situation, the trade situation. it's likely to inflict a lot off pain on americans who end up payinghese tariffs. it's going to raise the cost of goods. i'm not sure i can see how this is going to he matters at all except allow the president to vent in a way that is counrproductive. >> let's talk about robert mueller. his remarks were very short this week. what else would you have wanted to hear from him? were you satisfied with what he said? >> as far as it went but i'm not satisfied that this is all the country needs hear from bob mueller. he needs to testify before congress. >> will you subpoena him? >> i hope it won't come to that. i hope he'll recognize this is

one last duty he'll need perform for the country, even thoughit not something he'll eagerly look forward to. >> h what if continues to refuse? >> that's a decision when we get to that point. that efects the entire house because it can lead to litigation. but i hope that s sen off duty will motivate him if he wants the public tde tand that report, it's not sufficient to say read it. there's a lot that we want to ask him about also. >> he'sade it clea that if if he testifies, that 44-page report, he says, is his testimony. >> he would like to do be, but he doesn't necessarily have the last word. the american people have a right to hear from the man who did the investigation for the last two years. we'd like to know about the counterinteepigence ts that he eluded to in his report but we have no idea what they have to saw.

what he looked at was did thes pent commit a crime or othe others commit a crime? who should be indicted. nd there's a lot of counterintelligence information that goes to risk off the country. if people are compromised in some way that may not be criminal, it can be netheless just as dev statating if it mea u.s. policy is countereffect said. >> he made it clear it's very much at the forefront off his report. what are you doi to makere we're not at risk of that kind of meddling again in 2020? ht you're abb solutely r muraler started by talking about the russian interference and systemic. and it's as if he is saying, hey, in the debate over imepeaching and notimpeaching, let's not over look the most

serious part of the report and thaiis a fo can country interfered in our election and i think implied is they will do it again and we need to be preparaed. we are trying to do everything we can to understand exactly nsat the russ dud and how they did to make sure we're devoting our resources to detecting what they're doing now. >> how confident can we be we won't see this kind o interference in 2020? >> i don't think we can be confident at all. we may be better at getting advanced notice because we have ourias wide open. but the kind of top down government approach we isn't happening but the president won't do it. he wants to claim it's hoax. feels it's a threat to his legitimacy by admitting it happened. and tellingp vladimiin on the phone he considers this a hoax, he'sasically telling

putin you can count on me to be toweak to call you out and once more, i'm even grateful for it. it seems tboo ethe message implust insiding over his own intelligence agencies. >> and nancy pelorought it up this week when she said she now thinks faulk wcebook was a willing enaer. she came to that conclusion when theyak failed to down that altered video of her. she says she thinks facebook knowingly allows fake information on its sit do you think facebook was lying when it says itan was unwitting victim? >> with respect of the v they continue to allow to be exhibited on facebook that is clearly ea falsified video to make it look like speaker pelosi drunk or has a speech impediment.

the facts youtube took it down and facebook refused to is inexcusable. they're making the case for their immunity from liability. that may be the only step to force theto raise their andards. >> you're untown for the state democrtic convention in frisco this weekend and we have lots of presidential candidates coming through. and increasingly more of them are stepping forward and calling for an impeachment inquiry ollowing robert mueller's remarks and more democrats can coming forward. said quote we're beyond talking about this in terms off political implicatio we have to do what's right. is it time for impeachment inquiry? >> i certaly agree this is not something we should valuate through a political lens. does this help or hurt democrats un2020? we should be looking at what's best for the country.

>> is it time when y looking at what's best for the country? >> i'm still not red a to pull that trigger. and what stays my hand is the recognition of where this leads us is an isajudeication t conduct is not impeachable. that concerns me greatly. putting the country throure all that th that result. i have to say i am uncomwrtable h the idea that this conduct, can which to me renders him so unfit for office, not just the ubb struxz of justice but any of other acts of the president. that the failure to impeach sends its own message. when i get to the point, and i may decide this needs to be done whatever the result is in the senate, then i will push aggressively for it but i'm not there yet. >> thank you.

the state democratic convention is happening in san francisco this weekend. 13 of the presidentialre candidates untown, including beto o'rourke oof texas. and he joins us nowe studio. >> thanks for having me on. it's an honor. >> first of all there are so many candidates in the democratic field. what do yo think sets you apart from the 22 other candates? >> i think about what we faces right now in this cou you have tens of millions w cannot afford health care or do well enough to live to their full potential. you have an economy that is roaring and leftut millions of our fellow oamericans who live two and three jobs. you have an oppounity to can ave climate change. you have about a two or three-year window. the droughts in texas, the floods inmiouri and iowa, all that will pale in comparison to

what we see going forward. >> give me one example off what you would do that would be different from the other candidates. >> you face all those challenges and acknowledge we're as divided as we've evereen with a president whawano wants to furt undermine democracy. on the trail for the u.s. senate in xas has been about bringing people together and being sure this democracy works.th ut a single dime from a single pack, we won morean vote ny single texan had. we won independence for the first time undecades. 500,000 republicans joined our cause. and in a state that was 50 lgt in voter turn outds is a top contender nationally. we need do that nationally and bring every american. >> into the solution into the challenges. m>> you come f texas, lots of undocumented immigrants there.

we have a large population in california. we're both border states. u erstand. >> we live immigration in california and texas. so let's use that experience to lead this country. not apologize, not be defensive. ask that those 9 million permit residents, green card holders, by mailing them citizenship fees and allow them to register with his government and they too can be on the path to citizenship, contributing to their full potenti to our success. and let's never again cage anotherhild or deport another mother back from the with which she fled and invest inotions in honduras and gau a guatemala and el salvador. those are american values and i think we c get th movement

that will be required, not just to defeat donald trump in november of 2020, which is critical, bri to america together over ideas like this. >> given how divided we are as a country and that previous presidentsge includingge w. bush have tried and failed to get presidento pass comprehensive immigration reform. frrbsz what do you think it is about your plan thatwill al you to succeed when other presidents have failed to do so? >> th crisis that the president has provoked, the chaos heas createded on the border with the inhumanetr tments has spurred the national conscience and has trained our focuon the border. we want to solve and resolve this problem. the best way do that is to ge92 source, help reduce violence in the home countries. to mke sure we're treating those with the humanity they deserve andofor once insure our immigration laws reflect our

values and our lived experience in california or in my home community of el pasas. i'm lishening to people aroun a the count thaw know we can do that. we've only been stopped by politicians inpusitions of power and public trust who have been unwilling to do the right t thing because may effect their polling numbers, they may have been paid faby the packs.e we going to put people first and when we do that, we move on things like immigration. >> i know your time is tight while you're in town. there's been a lot of talk, especially on the progressive side about the need for a singlt payer health in the u.s. where do you stand on that? >> i want to make sur we get to guaranteed my quality universal care. the fastest way is to do that for medicare for america. we enroll you in america if you're uninsured today. if you can't afford your co pays

or premiums, you're able to enroll. but if you're one of the tnsff millions who have onsored insurance and like it because it work sfrzia and your family, your rrb able to keep it. i think that's the fastest way to get there and improve tens of mill objecti mill ns of lives and insu everyone is well enoughf to perform to their highest potential. >> over everything from impeachment, to medicare for all, which progressis wants. a time they need pull together to defeat the current administration >> i think this can still be the democracy on the face of the planet. i thie have the capacity to have these ideas but at the end oof the day we need to unite whoever our nominee is and

country ey bring this together in january of 2021 to achieve these priorities. that's what i want to do. it's the way i've always served, the way i'm caaigning and what i love about being on the trail here in california and the other states we've visited so far. >> you're one of 11 presidential candidates on the democratic side who support startinge ihment proceedings againstt. did special counsel robert mueller's recent remarks change your thinking about that? >> no, i think robert mueller made it crystal clear to this country. he said this is an issue that demands the attention of every american can. w we were systematically attacked by a foreign power, he told us in his statement. and then he specificalth called out president and said he was unable to clear him when it came to obstruction of justice and saidan there'sher remedy, in other words, congress, the ball in your court. if you care about the democracy,

more than your polling or orthe majority you may have in the houses of representatives, you care because you know we can't get it back once we have lost it you will move forward impeachment so we can insure this country is a country of a laws and not country of men who are abovive the law. >> how do you tnk history will remember donald trump? >> not kindly. he has been the worst pres we have ever had. he's done large, lasting damage to this country, to our standing millions old, to our fellow americans. and the work of repair mustin bt once and in part, that's the way i'm campaigning. i trink to people together nt a very devaded time with a divisive presidho wants to keep can us apart, make us gry, i want to bring us together and make sure we're up for the big challenges and this defining moment of truth. i know we are.

we just need a president that reflects that. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. grateful. we turn our attention to health. theyanannounced a pl to provide free mental health care and substance abuse treatment to any city resident, even those with health insurance bp a ballot measure would ask voters to approve a tax for ceos who make 100 times more than workers. and meanwhile, across the bay, oakland moves one step closer to being the second city in the nation after denver to decriminalize the use of psychedelic shrooms. here to discuss is april and hue humfry a psychologist and professor of psychology at stanford university.

san francisco supervisors, hillary and matt are pushing for a november ballot measure. why do th want to make minutal health services free even for those who can afford to pay for it? >> i think th their sda statement that they're unhappy with the entire statement. just recently physicians at kais kaiser permanente are saying thr patients have to wait too long, sometimes up to two months. supervisor ronan actually attended their first strike in december saying she herself has experienced these problems. and so they want to create a cent centero 24 hours a day where anyone can come in s a psychiatrist, get medications and part of the problem have insurance navigators get apoint mtds that are covers by their insurance. >> you have spent 30 years

researching addiction. good idea or are there unintended consequences? >>t's always good to see people prioritizing mental health.ei hearts are in the rightplas. place. what i worry about is in san frisk eowe have a large market of cash-only people and mainly take care of middle class and i'm sure they would be happy to have theta city pick up th but i don't think twht's probablyt they're aiming for. i want it to be designed to focus on the people we see when we walk through the streets of san francisco. extremely low income people who suffer from disoizers like schrenia. >> do you set optriage system, fo for example? >> i think that's part of it about being realistic about what you can accomplish and for whom.

and i think people in the city would like that because of the interaction. >> and on the broader issue of therapy, april, even people with health insurance they have trouble finding a therapist who is accepting new patients. is there anything happening at the state-wide level? >> i tnk it goes to the market that humpfries was talking about. people that can pay cash and who are o stressedut at work instead of working patients with really severe complicated, complex. and insurance companies don't make it very easy tsynavigate them. especially the press. it'sal r difficult. so state regulators do take home action. they audit insurance companies

and make sure they have enough solutions to meet the demands. but a lot of that is dependent on the insurance company's own data andllhey r effected the insurance companies. you e canlate what it's like. >> and widespread are some of these issues? >> depression is actually the leading cause oof disability on earth. 10 to 12% ared aversely effected by depression. they have people who love them and effect theiramily life, marriages, their interactions with people at work. so it's absolutely something that should be prioritized in ithe health care system bu isn't. we spend about 1% of our entire health care budget on addiction so on be another 5% or

mental health. >> what about psychotic tdisorders? y're rare. about 1% of the population have a risk for things like schizophrenia where you lose touch withy real and are unable to take care of yourself orrer fend for yourself. they're rare but on the other hand they're extremely disabling. and for theiramilies. >> so you walk around san francisco eo, you mention this. su see people who seem like they'refering from some kind of mental health disord oers. as opposed to those who are homelessentirely due to economic displacement? >> i think my understanding is 30 to 40 of people who are homeless have mental illness. once you become homeless, the

symptoms of mental illness can be exacerbated by living on the street, similarly with -- people conomicome homeless for reasons and begin to use drugs because of their homeless situation. >> ands there a city or country or county out there that you think has a good model for treating or preventing mental illness? >> we debt have to look very far away to find a good examplepaan that'sdu. there was a famous sdy can compari comparing who gets mental health servicehere and in canada. in canada the more severy you are, the more services you get. here it's the other way around. we do a good job overall. modest mental concerns. things people have. their lives are fairly in ct, they have a life, family and soen o. but wedo a criminally lousy job

taking care of people who are really disabled, usually estranged from their families and don't have a place to live. >> i have to moveon to a related topicic and that is oakland considering following denver's can example by decriminalizing certain psychedelics. what's thend reason be that? >> i think part of it is a it civil justice issue and not sending people to prison. and there's a history of using these in the indigenous community for spiritual and mystical reasons. and the people pushing for this are siting the therapeutic benefit oz of mushrooms. >> what aree benefits? >> there have been studies looking at this, especially the studies tend to be small but looking especially at anxiety

end of life, they found mushrooms can ease that anxiety. and there have been other studie of mdma treating ptsd in vets.s this pretty earlien in terms of the science. >> and they're notadctive and there are no known cases ofdo someone oveng on on them. from a clinical standpoint are there concerns clinicians have? >> they're the l addictive f all the drugs you could use recreationally and that's good thing but that doesn't mean they're harmless. and there are pple taking hallucinogec drugs that end up with something like schizophrenia. that seems most common if they come from a family that has that hist raw and it happens sometimes with people that don't

have that history. it doesn't mean they're free of harm >> what do you think nowng theye b evaluated for things like treating depression, anxiety or ptsd? >> in some parts desperation. if l youk at psychiatry in general the last 40 or 50 years 've had many moments where this is the new medication. whether it's a plant olike a mushroom or ersomethin developed, and studies don't p replicated and people are still struggling. we're at a moment wh te we want everything. that does apply to the mushrooms. they're smalltudies. they could very easily not replicate. frrg aroundthfor a whil would be my bet.

>> these studies are in a highly controlled environment where they sitith two therapists the whole time. that's not how most people >> and thank you both for being here. and that will do it for us. as always you can find more of our coverage at kqed.com/newsroom. thank you for joining us. ♪

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