opportunities from housesing to full and a new book profiles four remarkable women that shattered the glass ceiling. hel oo oand well doom kqed newsroom. we begin withen talks over immigration and terrifes. president trump is threatening to hit mexican imports with tariffs as they announce that arrests at the border had surged to a ran the-year high. it's also the fourth straight month they've broken therarecord for family arrests.

meanwhile mexican officials are agreeing tooost immigration enforcement. they' alsoan considering changingm asylu rules to make the easier to deport central american migrants apprehended add the border. herer to discuss t issue are gaw professor and sean walsh a republican strat. nice to have both of you back. here's what's being laid out. and honduras. thaw would need to apply, rather than in the u.s. what do you think of this plan. survive for the united states ingogsiate with other countries and have those count raz take mugerants. united states has such an agreement with canada. thebe country has toauf.

it's unclear if thisbe would unsafe given they'rexperiencinging record levels off crime. >> what do you think? >> we have an immigration problem thats out of control. people thought the numbers of migrants would decrease under trump with the tough rhetoric and talk building the wall but they've been increasing. and the costs associated wi the undocumented immigrants in the count raeare increasing asual. california is flush with money and gavin nusom is puting outmanby programs. >> would arogram like this work to decrease the number of migrants ting to cross the border? >> i actually give president trump credit. he ung the trade policy to effect anomaerr policy he wants to have happen. after you flee your country, if you're purportedly having

problem with regards to your safety oryour well being. i think many themiants are coming for economic benefit. i understand it. they're very, very poor. >> they are trying to flee countries that have horrible violence and unrest going on. >> but the issue is the united states shouldn't be the recipient of unregulated immigration. i willtleia the democrats in congress and o state california will regulate everything from your tooth paste to everything other issue yet they want no regulation an immigration it costs the state and country billions of dollars. >> if you were siting migrant detention centers, what did you s and do you agree they're fleeing

for merely po economic reasons? >> i think the caricature to suggest any political body doesn't want to regulate the border at all. but one of the things that you understand when you're at the border and you see it the detention cilities, when you're on the other side of the u.s./mexico borr is tha our immigration pall as, our enforcement-heavy immigration policy fundamentally misunderstands the reasons the fact that someone mouth be fleeing desperaticbnomic is not -- we're talking about merely falled states. the fact is people dont want to migreat. only 3% of the world lives arn place they were not born. what you see are filies with small children making a 2,000 mile dangerou trip for the

chance to maybe run away from their country. i don't think it's asile as saying they're running for economic reasons. >> let me look at two other positions which is mexico is looking tox pand an american program to allow them to wait while they're being ajude caughted. and pledging to send 6,000 troopes to border with guatemala. the president has saidall along that he wants mexico to come up with a way to put ale coe stop to illegal immigration. will these be enoughf to convince the president? >> mexico's come a long way. the question with donald trump is anything ever eurugh? i'm not unless mexico comes up with a big five-foot tall check saying i'm paying r the wall, that may not boo enough for donald trump. but these arery impactful public policy issues being put

put forward. >> and being put forwardwardaly the u.s. a president trump tying immigrion to the threat of tariffs is a new approach by u.s. presidents. do you think there will be legal challenges and if so, on what grounds? >>ia could on the basis of whether guaranteesed safety, that is to say it the third cans country to be a safe place for the migrants to come.hi so i that's one area where people mouth push back on sh an agreement. the are people who, even if give an plaus totay unmexico, mexico may not be safe. the other thing is mexico for some time bun interested in controlling its own border. last year they deported 85,000 central americans back to central america.

and nay dont have an interest in at regulating its own border. i think thereapacity concern. united states, as one of the wealthiest countries in the entire world has trouble controlling its boer, it's an open question how mexico a country less well resources can control its boarder. >> california is a top importeder, $34 billion last year from mex co. how big is a dilemma is this for republicans adamantally opposed but conceed about how taufrfes will effect our economy? >> they're in favor of free flow of trade and goods. in california the last major study that was done in 2017 said undocumented immigrants were costing the united states around $125 billion and california, $23 billn.

so even though you may pay moreo for and services, where is the cost being bornut by the taxpayerers? so there's additional costs. and how much more of those costs when you factor in the increases in tariffs. >> you want t add to that? >> if we're trying to think of migration and how to control it, at theened of the day, no mattet what u of policy we have in the united states, it is, i think a fantasy to believe that can unilaterally control migration. wheneople are fleeing circumstances in central amerian countries, that's not going to be controlled by all the things we'rallred a doing. that's why people keep coming despite knowing they might die. >> the office of settlement isn

cancel class and reccreational activity like soccer. at kind of far reaching consequences could these policies have? >> first u have some legal concerns i thunk. the federal government can keep children only. that has certain restrictions on how the federal government has to treat children. theyes requires that any str any place where the children are held has to comply. those regulations themselves would require other types ofes cla recreation activity, etc. h there might be immediate legal concerns wat pall as. more far reaching they're taking a vulnerable population, one that has under both republican and democratic administrations en treated differently that know the other part ofdehe immigranined population

and treating them just like the adult immigrant population. >> i have to move on to d.a.c.a. the house passed ledgeilation to grant a path to citizenship for d.a.c.a. recipients and protected status. it'slmost certn to dive in the republican-ledsont. so what message a they try to send? >> 2020 election is coming up. when he said there's no way to control gration, that's wrong. israel put up a fence and they were able control terrorer attacks on their own country. i believe if you use a border r, barr you have technology and enforce through real id, you can cut down significantly the number of people coming illeg al. with d.a.c.a., what's important in my view and if i werer a republican advising the senate

leader, mr. mcconnell, i would say don't go along with dock fau. it's something they desperata l want fro perspective. it should be put in something with a comprehensiveat immion reform package that would include funding the wall. >> what are the chances a comprehensive plan will pass? so many presidents have tried and failed? >> there is zeeree chance it's goi pass add least in the near future. the onlyart ofcomprehensive immigration proposal that hasy en bipartisan support has been dream act legislation, whis at one time supported by several republicans and introduced by several republicans. this proposal is can going nowhere. but it is a piece that can be passed. >> we will have to leave it there. thanks to both of you nice to have you here. >> thank you.

now to state politics. since 2012, rob has california state assembly representing the east bay and l the first ppine eo americans elected to the legislature. hisswo proposald say landlords would show just cause before they can evict. and a critics of for profit prisons say tey lackoth safety and acan countability. and now here in the 1250ud so i. soelet's begin with the housing crisis. we have a serious one in the bay area. it wouldall also allow tenants challenge.

>> it's a big problem right now. we're in a state of crisis. we understood use all the tools in the tool box. right no tenants are getting hurt in a lot of of different ways. one is by havint raised incredibly high rates is that they areesntially economicly evict thaw are being evicted for reasons not fair and not just. this bill is simple and powerful. it says when you're evukted f needs to be for a fair and just reason. not a retaliatory reason, not an arbitrary reason. >> realtors and landlords say he legislature's opposed to trying to fixing the housing crisis is li foksing too much on issues that effect renters and not enough on streamlining processes to create more housing. >> woo are doing both. we have done a lot on the supply side.si we had a h bond pass. a recording fee pass to

rator more housing, mor erproduction, morsupply. we had streamlining passed that hps get more supply for our affoable housing up faster. what we haven't done is taken oimportant steps to prote tenants. it's awkward to har that criticism given all that we continue to do. we haven't done enoughf to protectitants enough. >> you have a bill that would phase tout the useof california' private sucitizens y 2028. >> they have a fiducia duty to their shareholders to maximize profits. they're cutting corners every way they can to services they eprovide to the inmates. we need make sure wn they get out of prison are ready to be succssful and our recidivism rates are low and weve

successful reentry. >> but the group that run private prisons say t that. they focus on rehab and support uvr services even after they get out. do you not believe them?ts >> the fhow that not to be true. and we structure the whole set off incentives. they have a fiduciary duty. their dut a is to maximize profit for their shareholders. that's who should care about are californians in prison now that will get out andy with need to make sure they have the huma resourcd rehabilitation to make that happen. the facts show assaults between prisoners and others isiger in for-profit prisons, the assaus on guards is higher.

the skill level is lower. every indicia, they lose. >> there are nearly 4,000 prisoners right now. wherewill they all go because already counties are saying don't send them to us because under realinement we already have more people that would have prisons butstate now they're unour facilities and we're seeing a much more dangerous population at the county level. >> there should be zeer eo. and the reason we use for-profit prison initially was because we had court-mandated cap for we couldn't have them in our prison system. i think we should have done it differently then. we can work with our county jails, we've done a study. thousands off feds of capacity

where wecontract voluntarily an have them come to their facility and get good services, rehabilitatn investment. there should be a public facility, n for-profit private one. year one've seen all of the most can divisive issues has been the chart schools issue. you're the co sponsor of a bill that would make a harder t o new charter school or expand an kpusi one. >> ewe started a eperiment over 20 years ago and there's been a lot of unintending consequences since then. we're draining the financially orr school dustricates. we have students going to charter schools and when they do, we lose the economy and economicr benefits in oblic school system. >> districts lose funding

because there are fewer students. >> more facilities to operate. and one of he ideas behind charter schools was to dof thins rently, better, and bring that back into our trac tional pubhools. it's staying in a corner off a district at a single se the innovation -- there's no feedback. so >> even unyour own district, rit, in oakland, 27% of students are in charter schools. that's the largest portion in any school district in california. there are lotsff oparents o feel that gives them choice of quality schools. and your proposal is talking that away from them. >> it's not. ours is new authorizations that on't exist right now. there's nostudents, no families that supportthem or go to them.o

ifre a good, existing charter school, you'll continue to be becauseyou'll be authorized by who authorized you before. mine says we should have school dustricate bds making decisions about they're schools od they should be able to consider the impathe school. that seems exceedingly reasonable to me. toprohib at school ard from consider the financial impactff a decision they're making to me violates the fiduciy o dutf a school board member. >> thank you so much for joining us. and now tait tech. the struggle of women in si alicon valleyre well documents. such as google and amazon to sexual harassment, to raising capitol to their start rps.

finew book ps four who shatter shattered stereotypes in the tech industry. here to talk about this is author,ulian guthrie. by now the disma statistics around women are well publicized. 94 prer are men and less than 2% of venture capital go to start ups founded by women. was that one of the reasons you cided to write this book? >> no, journalists want to tell stories that haven't been told. and when i was around publicizing my last book "how to make a space ship." i would see huge groups of people, entrepreneurs, aviation folks and so few women and i thought these are such rinamic indu. where are all the wem snn and i started tlook more in my own

backyard at tech and this world ofnture capital that i seeas having this outside influence and little understood. when itarted my recording 94% off all investing partners were men. and there's 6% who are women and suceded and how did they edo it? and what is it like to be the only woman at the table chasing down theseal >> they may not be household names but certainly the ventur they're involved in bulding are well kbon. google. idp and so much more.er were common tlhreads that ran through their stories of success? >> the struggles are very interesting as well as the successes. i would say first commonalities in terms of successes.th

use humor to defuse tense situations. i thuink that's a powerful mechanism. one of the alpha girls came from indiana. she drives west in this old ford pint e the floor boards are so rusted out, she goes on be one of the first partners in venture capitol. and she's tasked with firingt an entrepreneur twice her age. they're one on one meeting and she found out who's sleeping with one of of his employees. you're fired. and halooked at her and says i'm not going to be fired by a woman. and she thinks he fuine being funded by woman but not fired by a woman. and she said i don't see anyone else here.

i am all you've got. that wasn't obly a win using lightness, brevity. when she went back to her firm, all men, they looked at this because she was -- these women were the only women at the table. the male partners looked at it as though this is how other women would handle the same situation. it was this inkrmtal game for women. w >> whate some of the most surprising things you learned after you talked to them? ac>> ually it was all surprising to me because it openedmy eyes how women in male-dominated industries succeed and translates. it transsends place and time. the way they succeeded was very different from how the sucksis th success i hastudies in past books, they were able to succeed

one step at a time. i glaubd on to this term called tempered radicals. they were able to have smal vuktries where it wasn't just a win for them but for uthsers. they had things that we, in journalism, because you spent 20 years at the san francis chronicle, your biline, my on air work is my on air work. but in the meetings they were wondering should i speak up? and those are things ivent thought about. >> and i was also lucky to work in a newsroom where it was very much a maur talkeracy. and that was something that surprised me aboudi the ulous barriers that exist for women whether it's being taken seriously onmeeting or woking with entrepreneurs or walking into a board room and what are you wearing? and is it commented on?

but these women also had -- you asked about commonalities. they had the sort of zees on the pental. barriers, they e found a way around them. off where pt this sns do i want to get to? and they just teflon suits let the rest off it kind off wash off. >> so theypaved the way. tae specifics is still bizmal in terms of represon by women. so what do you think needs happen in order to have women in the tech force feel like there are opportunities for them the way women have? >> i think the same thing in stdustries beyond tech as well. and that is ff all women need tell their own stories. and thaw need be brave like the women off alp girls told me their stories with hurts and be injuries anayals and successes.

but women need to tell their ries and other women's stories. i read a fact that we have 3500 years off recorded history and .5% have been dedicated to stories ofwomanen.es women who went from what i call navigating to pioneering are creating the sister hood. tha m.ey're founding women-run investment plalt f investing in women-founde firms at unprecedented lvlts. it's about making sure you're speking to thi important demographic. and can companiesshow theore diverse, the more profitable it is as well. >> and your research for this book had already begun with the #ime too movement happened. >> i think more women were slightly more lling to share heir stories.

but it was the hardest part to get them to share their misstep and the hurt. and i felt so strongly that was important to be stnest in the ry. >> and you did a great job bringing that out.i know it's going to be adapted for a series. >> and for an incredible alpha girl,womanen producer. >> and that will do it for us. as alwa youn find more on kqed.com/newsroom. n producer. >> and that will do it for us. as always you can find.more on km/newsroom. producer. >> and that will do it for us. as always you can find more on kqed.com/newsroom.

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