captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: a deadly weekend in america. two devastating mass shootings separated less than a single day claim over thirty lives in el paso, texas and dayton, ohio. then, we devote the entire show to gun violence in america-- from calls for sensi legislation to labeling white nationalism as domestic terrorism. >> in one voice, our nation mus condemn racigotry, and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must be defeated. hate has no place in america. >> woodruff: plus, breaking down the political fallout of thi weekend's violence.

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parkland. all sites of mass murder. oakland, baltimore, chicago. all places witness to gun violence this weekend. sadly, there are many more to name, and we take this hour to examine why. we start in el paso, where 22 people werkilled. our william brangham is there. >> reporter: for manin el paso, it's a time to show solidarity. dozens and dozens of p lined up to donate blood. local hospitals treating the victims put out the call, and the response has been tremendous. frida delgadillo is a college student at the university of texas in el paso >> i'm here because i like to help my community in any way ipe can and so manle have shown up that i wanted to be one of them as well. when i firsteard that there was a shooting i knew that it wasn't one of the people from el paso.ha i knewit was an outsider because our community would never do something likthis. >> reporter: saturday's massacre happened at a walmart, just five

miles from the border, where american and mexic families alike were shopping, many getting back-to-school supplies. last night, in downtown el pasoe hu gathered to grieve the victims. chris cummings is in local real estate, and came with his wife and family >> i think the only way to heal is to sort of bind with your community and let everyone knowe thpaso is not the type of place where this occurs. this was somebody from outside our community and so we have to show our strength. >> reporter: police believe the 21-year-old killer-- originally from the dallas area-- wrote a racist manifesto that he posted online minutes before he entered the walmart. healled his rampage "a response to the hispanic invasion of texas." at least seven of the dead were mexican nationals, and some at last night's rally were still struggling that immigrants were the target. mary mackay is a public school teacher

>> obviously it hurts more when this is your own hometown where this happens but i think it adds a whe other level of pain th this guy came to my home to kill us because of what color we are. you know, he went out of his way just to kill us for being hispanic. that's a lot to deal with, like it wasn't a random shooting, he wanted to kill bwn people. >> reporter: the border city of el paso is about 80% latino, an it's been a hub for thousands of central american migrants crossing the border to seek asylum in the u.s. president trump has also me disparaging comments about the city, and described these ugrants as representing a kind of attack on the.s. democratic presidential candidate beto o'rourke represented the el paso area in congress. >> we have a president right now who traffics in this hatred. who incites this violence. who calls mexican immigrants rapists and murderers. who calls asylum seekers animals and an infestation.

>> reporter: congresswoman veronica escobar-- who waste elto o'rourke's seat in id the shooting hurt a community that's already the target of the president's immigration crackdown.s >> i think i coincidence this has been ground zero fort' the presidzero tolerance policies, the return to mexico policy. haed and bigotry and racis has been teeming below the surface for asong as america but now it's full-blown, out in the open and we have a real epidemic of hate in ty.his coun and with the epidemic of gun violence that makes for a very deadly combination. >> reporter: the tragedy is also distressing for locals who ses e an oftentily national debate over immigration being waged in a city that welcomes its diversity. >> i think the passions of many people are being stirred and i think that it's largely-- it is

partisan and it is wrong and i just going to call it what it is-- it is an evilness. we have to work together. i don't understand whye allowing hatred to infiltrate our communities. >> reporter: and in the end, beyond politics and policy, many simply want the world to know: the horror of saturday is not the city they call home. >> it is a very lovely place. we really chose el paso to live here. we love the people, we love the ci love the nature-- everything. and we live here already over 20 years by choice. people should come and see how the community is, how the place is and then they will really get a different idea about the border.

>> woodruff: william, we are getting a sense of how people are doing. tell us more about how this community is responding. >> well, judy, i think any communy you go to after they've suffered a major tragedy like this, one of these mass shootings, every community across the country says wdne co have imagined it ever would have happened here, but especially in el paso, which is a community, when you think of the shooter saying hearted the place because of immigrants, this is a community unlike i've ever seen anywhereelse in the u.s., it so embraces their immigrants' identity. you can see mexico from where i' standing right here. the constant flowmy of mexicans and americans back and forth over the border. one man here referred to it as one city being juarez and el paso that d divideto cotwo countries, and that's really the scwoins get here. every single person we've talked to has said we welcome immigrants here, we have immigrants in our families, we

live on this side of the border, we live on that side of the border, and,o, that warm embrace of dual nationalities. in the park lot of the mall, you see mexican license plates all over the place. that kind of community, when you suddenly have violence visited upon it because of immigration is especially jarring.so >> woodruffthe argument, william, that the rhetoric about immigration contributed to this, do pveple there bel that? >> some people s that and some people don't. i mean, freda, the young woman we met at the blood dri this morning, said no one is to blame for the shooting eept the shooter. no one put a gun in his hand and no one told him to drive 600 miles down here to do what he did. but, she said -- and this is a point we heard from a lot of peoplee - it is undeniaat the rhetoric about immigrants, calling them rapists and murderers, talking about central

american migrants coming here as an invasion of the united states, she said, and many echoed this, that it's undeniable that that contributes to a feeling of fear and potential for vlence. you mix that in with a young man who's beenin ming in white supremacy online for what seemso mont years, that's a recipe for disaster. >> woodruff: and that it was. william brangham reporting for us from el paso, thank you. after the carnage in el paso, another tragedy. our yamiche alcindor reports from dayton, ohio. gunshots ) >> reporter: 30 seconds. nine shot dead. and a mmunity reeling from yet another mass shooting. this time the violence unfolded early sunday, in a busy nightlife district in dayton, ohio. police fatally shot the gunman,

soon after he openut fire with anatic weapon. he was just steps away from entering a popular bar-- ned peppers-- in district.s oregon anthony reynolds had just left the bar as the shooting began. >> i know it's gunfi i'm looking around and i'm like, okay what's going on? but then what you hear right after that is repeated, like, shots. high power shots like boom-boom- boom-boom-boom. so we just start really running. i'm grabbing my cousin, we running. and i just start yelling at the people in front of me, like, "that's a mass shooter, that's a mass shooter!" >> reporter: at one point, heee was just tenaway from the shooter. reporter: the shooter's own sister is among the dead. s till, the motive is unclear. dayton mor nan whaley said the quick response by dayton police prevented scores more from dying. >> i'm completely grateful forda thon police department-- six police oicers, five of whom have only been on this force r three years, ran toward the shooter heroically, not with the kind of weapon heth had-- but he weapons we've given to them to stop this, and they did that in 24 seconds.

>> reporter: the shooter wore full body armor and carrd a .223 caliber rifle with magazines holding nearly 250 rounds of ammunition. officials say the gun was legally purchased in ohio. hours later, police tape outlined the epicenter othe massacre yellow cones marked the 41 shell casings found on the scene. a pile of mismatched shoes scattered the sidewalk-- peidence of the rush to es the scene. also in the aftermath: shock,sa ess and calls for action. >> you don't expect that to hit you at home. unfortunately it's become a reality of our world. >> reporter: pam brooks lives in a high-rise building in the oregon district. from her winw she witnessed e chaos. >> i've seen people tell you to get in touch with your congressman and that kind of thing and i've never reached out to anyone representing me.ng but that has c already. i sent off some emails and text messageshis morning voicing my concerns and asking them to get

back to their jobs and get some legislation in place so that other people don't neeto go through this. ♪ hallelujah un >> reporter:y night, the community held a vigil near the site of the shooting. some, li teresa smith were still in shock: >> i know love is greater, but there is so much bad and evil divide and it doesn't ha to be that way. all of these people are just innocent people who want to live and enjoy life and it's, like, it's been cut down. >> reporter: susie lane heads the dayton chapter ogun control group moms demand action. she pes the mass shootings will spur both congress and ohio legislators to act. >> rig now in congress there is a universal background check law that the house has passed and the senate has not taken it up yet. that's a first step. also need that cultural

change where we understand guns aren't the answers to our problems.r: >> reporteeanwhile, earlier at the vigil: >> do something! do something! do something! do something! >> reporter: the crowd shouted at republican governor mike dewine. they demanded he pursue gun control legislation immediaty. >> reporter:fter the vigil, dewine told a "columbus dispatch" reporter that he is open to discussing gun control policies-- like expand background checks. that willingness to enact some reforms was shared by other ohio republicans.at g.o.p. s rob portman sunday: >> there aren't enough laws, and in fact no law can correct some of the more fundamental cultural problems we face today as a country. >> reporter: reynolds, who witnessed the shoong, said he is hoping president trump will himself seek change. >> he has to change his tone from the top, because you're in the seat that is powerfu you're in a seat that's everything that represents this count.

so if you're not holding it up for everybody then that's a problem >> reporter: he added that all of the count's lawmakers must act to prevent these massacres. >> after these cameras cut off we still got-- wstill forced to sit here and work with each other and, and figure it out 'tbecause these camera's a going to be here forever, the lighting won't be on dayton forever because with the rules we got in place thisonna happen somewhere else real soon. >> everyone is shocked this took place in their hometown. many fear around the cornerr anot mass shooting could unfold in another city, judy. >> woodruff: yiche, we heard anthony reynolds tell you he's concerned with president trump's rhetoric. how much of that sort of frustration are you hearing from people on the ground therean? >> ove over again, i have been hearing from people that the president's rhetoric as well as his inaction on gun reform is part of the problem and part of the reason why they feelike these mass shootings continue to

happen.op here are juggling a lot. this is a city with a booming and rising immanrpopulation. there's also largely white suburbs that are opposed to a lot of the city's pro immigrant policies here, and then you have the city really dealing with number of things that really hurt the city here. you have t city dealingith a kkk rally that stirred up a lot of emotions, you also have a city that dealt with a string oa tornadoes hit and caused a lot of damage in may, and then the masshooting. so you have people looking to the president to change his tones and help with a city who is just dealing with so much.f: >> woodrnd yamiche you know about the challenges in that community, you were there just last week, reporting on it, talking to voters. w much hope do you pick up from people that maybe these two terrible shootings could lead to some change>>? eople here definitely want to see change, but they don't feel as though there's going to bae oft change, and that's

meanwhile mainly because people have been telling me after the newtown and the shooting inla pa, florida, people thought there would be a big momentum and washiton would pass all sorts of gun laws and that didn't happen. nowth're hopeful lawmakers will hear their voices but they're t sure if they will be able to make real change. >> woodruff: yamhe alcindor reporting for us tonight from dayton, ohio, thank you, yamiche. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, wall street had its worst losses of the year, after china's currency hit an 11-year r.low against the u.s. dol the move sparked new fears about the escalating trade war. the w jones industrial avera lost 767 points to close at po,717. the nasdaq fell 27ts, and the s&p-500 gave up 87. the dow and the s&p were down about 3%. the nasdaq lost 3.5%.

in violation of international agreements. new violence has broke ant in hong kong after a general strike by pro democracy forces disrupted commuter traffic. the protests lasted all day, with some throwing rocks and police firing tear gas to disperse the crowds. after nightfall, demonstrators set fires at police stations. the city's chief exe carrie lam urged restraint. >> ( translated ): today some citizens made their voeard by participating in the strike action. no matter what kinds oests you have, i hope all of you can express your voices in a peaceful manner. people may choose to strike, but should respect others' freedom of returning to work. >> woodruff: lam warned hong kong is on the verge of what she caed "a very dangerous situation." still, a top police official said there is no need to call in the chinese military. the hindu nationalist government

of india touched off new turmoil in kadashmir officials asked parliament to end the muslim-majorityi tetory's right to make its own laws. the indian-controlled part of kashmir was put on security lockdown and thousands of troops were deployed. in pakistan, muslim protesters turned out to denounce the decision, while pakistani leaders warned it will have serious effects on regional security. the political crisis in puertori has deepened after the island's senate filed suit to oust newly installed pedro pierluisi as governor. the suit says he cannot legally hold the office cause he was not properly confirmed. he also faces public opposition over legal work for ncial control board that imposed austerity measures. >> ( translated ): well for us it really symbolises a coup.

people of puerto rico have woken up, they've discovered the power they have, have said this is enough. >> woodruff: pierluisi was named puerto rico's secretary of state last week. he argues that put him in line to succeed ricardo rossello as governor, when rossesigned on friday. the puerto rican supreme court e.will now consider the is a federal judge in new yorkse enced a florida man to 20 o ars in prison today, for mailing pipe bombsp democrats and trump critics. cesar sayoc had pled guilty in march to using weapons of mass destruction. the packages were sent before the mid-term elections last fall.s none of the bont off. and, another republican in the u.s. house of reprtientatives is ng. texas congressman kenny marchant announced today he won't run for st-election next year in his suburban dallas ct.

he gave no reason for calling it quits after eight terms. marchant joins nine other house republicans who've decided not to run again. and, two of america's largest newspaper chainsmeave agreed to rge. gatehouse media is buying gannett compy, which owns "u.s.a. today" among other dailies. the combined company will include more than 260 newspapers. to >> woodruff: bacur look at guns in america. excluding el paso and dayton, just since yesterday, at leastwe 88 peopl shot and at least 28 people were killed by guns in 27 states, according to the gun violence archive. in fact, we rarely report on these events: gang warfare, domestic violence, robbery.

and that excludes suicide, the largest factor for gun deaths. amna nawaz reports that the number of guns in america-- some 393 million of them, more than one per person-- is greater than in any other country and, that even on days of relative calm, guns kill roughly 100 people in this country every day.id >> nawaz: prt trump condemned the shootings andsu denounced whitemacy and "racist hate," which he said fueled such violence.he lso warned against "the perils of the internet and socialedia," which he said helped to foment that hate. but he declined to call for tougher gun laws, instead pointing to the mental state of the killers. >> we must rorm our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violences and make sure people not only get treatment, but when necessary, involuntary atnfinement.

mental illness andd pulls the trigger, not the gun. >> nawaz: we look now at some of the questions that are again in the air, in particular, what, is anything, can uld be done to curb gun deaths in this country. we get two views. shannon watts is founder of moms demand action, a grassroots organization she established in the days after the 2012 shooting at sdyhook elementary school to strengthen u.s. gun laws. larry ward is chief marketing officer with gun dynamics, a group that promotes gun-rights and the gun industry. welcome to you both. thank you for making the 'lme. shannon,start with you. i want to take a moment, and if you can, on a day like today, when many americans are reeling rrom the events over the weekend, what is yessage to them? what specifically are the changes you would like to see put into place? >> well, we are specifically calling on congress to come back from recess and to do their jobs. we're asking them to pass legislation that we've seen work

in the states,ck a ound e eck on every gun sale, 21 states now requiat, as well as red flago legislan. 17 states have red flag laws and have shown ta be essenin interrupting gun suicide and gui de, and it is time for congress to do their job and protect americans instead of protecting gun manufacturers' profits. >> larry ward, what was your rd about when you h the events of this weekend? >> i was horrified. at the end of theay, all gun violence is terrible. we're looking at this thing that keeps happening over and over again. according to the crime prevention research center, 94% of these activ shooter and mass shootings take place in gun-free zones. >> shannon, what's your response what you just heard from larry lar. >> first of all, 's not true most mass shootings occur in gun-free zones. most occur in private residences and domestic violence. wal-mart was not a gun free

zone. open carry was allowed in wal-mart and there we armed customers when the shooting happened. so those are talking points. it's been debunked over and over again. there are no background checks required on unlicensed salesn this country in 29 states, it's helped so many criminals andno get easy access to guns. and the idea just because one law wouldn't have stopped one specific mass shooting thatve shouldn't een passed is as nine. we don't say one law is going to talk care of guches. we know they would work on a federal level. >> we want to ask you about what the president said, what people are talking about mental health. the sutherland springs shooter had a serious mental health issue and suicides actually comprise a large number of gu violence deaths in america. so what's your response to that argument. >> when you look at gun

homicides only about 5% of ooters show any sign of mental illness. we know people who are mentally ill are more likely to be victims of gun violence and perpetrators. it's a talkin point. after the sandy hook, they blamed video games, movies and mental illnessst. ies show it's none of that. we have a hiring 25% higher suicide rate because o guns themselves. >> larry ward, you're a gun owner. yopeaking on behalf of gun owners who comprie a minority f americans. what safety regulations would you be willing to sign on to? >> if we're talking about safety, i'm talking about people safety, and e only way to stop somebody with murderous intent that goes into a place tohoot, run over, to drop a bomb, the only place to stop these people is to have people who are vigilant with their ability to fend themselves and t people

around them and to make sure that lawb aiding citizens are armed so they can act. see, what happened in date ones there happened to be an armed police officer there. of course, that whole area has most of those stores and restaurants and clubs were all gun-free zones, so that's why the place was chonnen, but thank god there was an officer theree. >> letk you about the dayton shooting. at the same time, nine people died in the shooting. are you saying nothing could have been done to prevent the deaths? >> the whole case hasn't come out. there was a whole lot made about blaming president trump, you know, and blaming, you know, president trump's policies and ideas on the bder. so we don't know the motivations of that particular shooter. would anything have stopped them? no, he could have driven -- rented a truck and driven it and run over af bunch o people. >> but he didn't use a truck.

he usewedd gun. now he doesn't use a truck. i want to stick toto what we know. as you mentioned, we do not know the motivation of the dayton alleged shooter at this point. it is true in america right now we have more guns in circulation than americans, and a large portion of that ownership is concentrated in a minority of rying tos, so i'm understand from you, and you seem to be saying that there's nothing you woulde willing t do, there's no additional safety regulations you would be willing to agree is that right? >> well, you know, look, come to us with what i consider an additional safety regulation, whicis ending gun-free zones, which, is you know, havingore people -- look, everybody is -- >> what is the data you can show that shows that prevents death inmeca? >> well, what data can you show that showsun-free zones actually stop anybody from ooting? >> let me tell you what data we have, federal waiting periods, for example, can significantly lower gun violen in america.

background checks can significantly lower gun violence in america.r would eit of those be amenable to proposed safety regulations. >> there are background checks in all of the states in the united stas, there are background checks. yo-know, there are there's due process to get guns out of hands of people with mental illness. if you commit a crime, you can't have a gun in most states. lhere are very, very strict gun control laws in he cities of america, and no one's talking about the 47 shootings agin ch where they have very strict gun control laws. o shannon, i would likeask you, it's been seven years since the mass shootings at sand hook elementary, which is the reason you began this work in the first place. a lot of people said back t then murder of 20 children ages six and seven could not bring people to actually change our gun laws in america that nothing will. do you see anything in the weekend's events that would lead

you to believe now is the time toe cha? >> moms demand action is the largest gun violence preventn organization in the country. we are larger than the n.r.a. we outspent them in the midterm electionsnd outmaneuvered them. wehe won in midterm elections and we'll beat them in 2020. there are 4 million guns in the hands of civilians in america. if that made us safer, we would be the safest in the world. we have the highe number of gun laws in the history of nations. the only way we fix that is by tiery american g off the sidelines and using voices and voants and demanding change. >> we leave it there. larry ward and snnon watts, thank you very much for your time. >> nawaz: now, from that stark nibate over guns, to a resurgent threat here in thed

states: domestic home-grown terrorism, motivated by racism, white supremacy, hatred of government and immigrants.id the prt, whose own language has been frequently condemned for stoking those hatreds, spoke to these issuesth morning: >> in one voice our nation must condemn cism, bigotry, and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must be defeated. hate has no place in america. we have asked the f.b.i. to identify all further res they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism, whatever thd. >> nawaz: so how pervasive are these racist ideologies in the a u. beyond? what is the u.s. government doing, or not doing, to coat this threat here at home? we're joined by kathleen belew, a professor at the university of chicago who is an expethe history of white supremacists, and author of "bring the war home: the white power moment and paramilitary america." and seamus hughes, the deputy director of the program on extremism at george washington university.

welcome back to you both. kathleen, i'd like to start with you. address for me, if you can, the president's first remarks, the bigotry, the white supremacy, what do we know about the threat, howdo we know that's led to violence and how has that changed over time in america? >> what we're seeing now in el paso, aot i'll swear it's simply a single act of violence, we often think about theseen as singular acts of horror andeth hard not to ink about it that way when it's in your community and in your homeh the g is what we're looking at is generations old. it's organized. it's part of a social movement that had a broad purpose in every generation across gender, age and class, a we're seeing the fruition of decades of that movement came together after the vietnam war, ibrt ght together activists into

a coherent white power movement, and where we are now responding to the fact that we've never had a coherent prosecution of this movement, we've never had a large-scale public response to this movement, and it'sfá a very majr nation.for our >> i want to clarify when you're saying we're seeing the fruition of ts decades-long movement, are you saying the threat is larger than it'sver been before? >> i think it is. one thing you can learn fromu looking at the archives of this movement from the history of the earlier period is that when these activists think about violce and acts of violence like the el paso shooting or the oklahoma city bombing or the attacks on synagogues, those acts are not meant to be the ends point of this organizing. they're meant to be political and ideacogicaons that bring other activists into the movement that "abe waken people" into joininghi ground as well.

the end point is race car. >> i want to ask you about the recruitment, but i want to ask about the other part of what president trump said is he asked authorities about what resources they need. what resources do they need to combat a growing avera larger threat than before. >> domestic terrorism has been an afterthought when addressing thish issues.le you hav f.b.i. and analysts looking at the issue, at the same time you have a thousand active investigation when it comes to i.s.i.s. and american terrorism. i think it's time tw(,t) a hard look at where we're putting our resources. >> what would you say about where the resources are going, where they should be? >> not quite yet. they're woefully understaffed as it stands now. we're going to need to focus this in a coherent way. we're also going to need to look at this as a movemt around the country. this is an ideology that's

pervasive. >> kathleen, back ton the idea this is a movement in some way, and a lot of this recruitingoes on yom. i heard one former white supremacist talking about the internet as a 24-7 hate buffet. tell me about how this movement grows. this is another area where what seems very new to us because of soci media and the ay the attacks go viral in our current moment istrategy that's been perfected in this movement over decades. nlis movement wente in 1983, '84 and kind of the pre-trternet cms called the liberate net, and on those chatrooms, they were exchanging not only hit lists and tassassination targets anngs like this but also recipes and posted personal ads. inffect, they were doing social media before social media even existed for the rest of t. idea that that's new is erroneous. what is new is o course the scale permitted by these kinds of outlets and the way that

technologies and communications and technologies of killing allow theou bodys to go higher and higher and higher. >> i want to ask you out how we approach this in a federal way to combat this threat and play a sound byte from christopher wray asked about a threat from dick durbin in july. >> i think the greatest terrorist threat to the homeland is the homegrown violent extremists.wç(pshp jdd inspired? >> which isns jihadistred violence. that does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that don't terrorism, including hate crime committed on half of some kind of white supremast ideology extremely seriously. >> the f.b.i. director is distinguishing americans inspired by foreign terrorism and those inspired by domestic ideas, white supremacy and so

on. do you think there is aigger threat one over the other. >> they're generally on par when it comes to viole when it domes to law enforcement, you have the terials for terrorism clause that allows you to interjectlf your sooner. so less tools available for law enforcement and less coordination at a federal level. >> the big question is what is drivinhi the growth of movement. a lot of people have concentrated the conversation around some of the political rhetoric, some oft coming from rump himself. you have studied thearove the for and years. tell me how you assess what's fueling this hatre >> i think it might actually take a step back and think about what we're calling these groups and ideologies. whiermsyoç/ó]m is much -- white supremacist white supremacy is much bigger than el paso. white supremacy undergirds norms parts of ourc works legal system, court system and more. what we're talking about here

a small fringe movement attempting an overthrow of the united states through guerilla violence to incite a race war. this is in writing, what people are trying to accomplish in these manifestos. when we think about a phrase like "white nationalism," i think too many people think about sort of overzealous patriotism or whiteneithin the united states or promoting whiteness within the united heates, but the nation at heart of white nationalism is not the united states, it's the aryan nation, is imagined as a ansnational white policy fundamentally opposed to the interests of the united states. so no matter how much wink nod is coming from thelected officials, and this is an area stillerious concern, we have to attend to this fringe violent movement that is inrested in a much more radical future. >> a lot of work to be done and hope hopefully more resources from our federal government as

well. kathleen belew and seamus hughes, thank you both. >> thank you. >> woodruff: and thank you. the weekend's call for policy changes ñixd >> today i say to donald here is some of what they had to say. stop your anti-immigrant rhetoric, stop the hatred, because that t languagt hatred, that divisiveness creates a situation where certain people will terrible things. >> mr. president, it's long past time you stood up to it. mr. president, it's long pastou timeddressed it for what it is. this is hatred, pure and simple, and it's being fueled by

rhetoric that is so divisive and it's causing people to die.ha >>happened in el paso and in so many of the other shootings across theit country was fueled by hate, and, no, mr. president, as he said after charlottesville, there are nth two sides t issue when the other side is the ku klux klan and white nationalists. therdris >> wf: dayton, ohio is in the home state of another candidate, congressman tim ryan. ryan has suspended his presidential campaigin the wake of this weekend's shootings. he's also been in dayton sincend yesterday,e joins me now. congressman ryan, thank you for being here. president trump, we learned, is going to dayton on wednesday. today, among other things, he said it's not mental illness and hate that pulled the trigger, i he said it's not the gun, rather, it's mental illness and hate. how do you respond to that?

>> i'm -- i'm furious about the whole thing, to be quite frank. i th is an insult to the victims both here innd dayton in el paso and all the victims that have died in scenarios like this across the united states over the past many years because we know that four out of five of these crimes has nothing to do with mental illness, the vast majority of people and families that are dealinil with mentaless, those people are not violent in any way, shape or form, and this whole idea about video games, well, of course, we don't want our kids playing them too long to distract, becaus we know many people in other countries who have mental illness and who have played video games, they don't have this rate of crime. the issue is the god blessed gun and these weapons of war that are on thetrts slaughtering people in places like dayton and el pas and if we don't close these loopholes and stop making

these weapons of war, these crimes are not going to stop w druff: well, as you know, the house of representaslves passed leion this year, democratic majority, it is has not moved in the senate. are inyou he a clear message from voters in ohio, in dayton about what they think should be done? >> we had a candlelight vigil lae night and i stayed h for two hours after -- and for anyone who wants to help dayton, go to the dayton foundation web site and make a donation to help the victims. there are kids who lost their father, so go to dayton foundation web sitend send some money in to help these families. but i was here forrs two h after, and i met more republicans that were uptelling me to get something done, please, tt this has gone too far. so when you hear that coming fromti a democ town in a democratic county in souwest ohio, you know that we're reaching the point in this country plere p are fed up

and the n.r.a. paid off politicians like mitch mcconnell and donald trump and others in republican leadership will get steam rolled. kit happen now or does it take more time? i'm not sure. but we're going to apply as much pressure as we possibly can on these politicians carrying water from the gun manufacturers and the n.r.a.ot it's go stop, and i think we're building more and more republican support, althoh you may not see it reflected in their political leadership. >> woodruff: i wan to know if there's any single thing that can realistic happen, for instance the governor of ohio has been pushing red flag laws that allaw weapons firearms toy be taken aom people who may present a danger to the community. ngis is sometyou know, we haven't seen an appetite for nationally. do you think that tide turning? >> we'll see about the red flag. maybe -- maybe, just maybe -- god, we hope and pray maybe

there's a step we could take, but i will be clear that is very, very inadequate. that is saying if you know somebody, if you think they may try to b a gun, if, if, if, that maybe you can prevent it. what we're say wg ever goes to buy a gun, regardless of who they are, should get gra band check, and that's the bill that's sitting at mitch mcconnell's doorsteright now, and it has the support of% about f the american people, over 70% of gun owners and hunters that also think there should be a backgr check and, yet, mitch mcconnell won't bring it up for a vote. to me, that is an insult t these people here who have lost lives. i mean, these people hd pes and dreams, they had plans, they had vacations, they have kids. you know, the kids had dads that they lost here. this is ju gut-wrenching, and to think people are so inadequate in their response and th tpresident is distracter in chief more than anything else because he wants to getod everoff talking about some of these issues, like gaming, as

opposed to dealing with the real issue, which is the weapon of war thatpl slaughters p both in el paso and here in dayton. >> woodruff: congressman tim ryan with us here tonight from ohio, from dayton. than you, congressman. >> woodruff: and that brings us >> woodruff: now we hear from another democratic presidential candidate. d biblasio is mayor of new york city and runs the largest police force in america. >> you do run a large city that has its own share and history of guches. >> yep. >> woodruff: how do you look on whatne has hap over this past weekend? >> it's a tragedy thaot does have to be in america. i think this happens for a reason. it's the proliferation of weapons and theit ease which people can get them, and now it is thisho additionaible reality of white supremacy growing in this country, thisnt move of white supremacy growing, aided and abetted which messages from -- by messages

from the white house. we have to understand this wasn't the case 20 years ago. we've seen mass shootings bome more and more common and on top of it now coming with a political aawenda. wet with the tree of life synagogue ighn pittsb in el paso.lifornia, now we have to understand something's changed and we have to confront it two ways -- nuhaer one, congres to pass laws, background checks, wait period before you get a gun get assault weapons, and we need leadership that's gogo yiewn unify us and not -- unify us and not tear us apart. >> woodruff: your state, new york, has some of the strictest gun laws in america yet you still have your share of violence. itics say you go to states with their share of gun laws and theytill have violence. >> i contest that. new york city is one of the safest cities in america. we had under 300 homicides.

for a city of 8.6 million people, and the most diverse place on earth -- people in one of thees sma crammed together in one of the smallest geographs you could happen for 8.6 million people, and yet ua've created more mut respect, we've created a stronger social fabric and our police are working closer with communities. the result, gun violence continues to go dow crime continues to go down. i would argue we've got proof that those strong gun safety laws correlate to reduced violence. >> woodruff: you had in new york city in the brooklyn neighborhood of brownille, weekend before this shooting, one person dd, eleven wounded. you waited several days before calling it a mass shooting. why? >> i have sense said i understandhy people in the community wanted to make sure somehow there wasn't a differenn value g to one of these tragedies in one place versus

another. i went to the brownsville community a people were coerned the community not be painted negatively because of the acts of a few. they appeared to be members of a local gang. i didn't want to add to the negative impression people were worried about. on the other hand, voices said woe wie don't want to be undervalues, we don't want a shootingthat affects black lives to be less important than shootings for instance on some of the other college campuses. i said that's fai i will refer to it as a mass shooting, etch if the motive or the specifics may have been different, i understood why wasple thought that importan >> woodruff: another issue, of course, new york city has been the site of the worst international terrorist i vent ever, 9/11. >> yes. >> woodruff: do you think there's too much ehasis international terrorism and not enough on domestic? >> i think it's timto reassess because for years there was a

valid concern about international terrorism, obviously, after 9/11. but even when i first cam into office, we were still seeing more activity by terrorists directed at major locations in the west. thank god that has been reduced for a variety of reasons. but what's come up is the domestic trim. this is the threat e needto focus on more and more. >> woodruff: mayor bibdzo o no. thank you. >> woodruff: and that brings usc to polmonday. amy walter of the cook political report and host of "the politics with amy walter" on w-nyc. and tamara keith from npr. she also co-hosts politics podcast." hello to both of you on this time of serious reporting on the events of the weend. amy, not a serious significant gun control measure has passed in this country in two decads. why not? >> let's look back at 1993 and

t94 where you had major pieces of legislation pass, the brady bill and the assault weapons ban, and look how t makeup of the democratic and the republican caucuses in congress you had a lot of suburban republicans who crossed party lines, supported a democratic president in his quest to pass gun safety legislation. youad a lot of conservative democrats from rural areas in the south who voted agains it. and it was those coals that made -- coalitions that made something like that possible, a bipartisan coalition. in the last ten=1e÷ major realignment in this country. there are very few republicans left in suburban areas in part t because republican position on guns, and there are very few democrats left in>2ñ rl smalltown america in part because of the national democratic party's position guns. and, so, what we have now are democrats and republicans in ngress that are geographically just so similar. they don't represent a diversity

of geography. what that means is votes on guns are piewcial partisan, they are no longer about the issues on the- geographyou don't have a diversity within the caucus so you're not going to have diversity in the votes. >> woodruff: what would you add to that, tam? >> i would add that's pretty remarkable given the "pbs newshour" maris polled we just got back fairly recently found overwhelmin support again for background -- >> woodruff: we can show those percentages right here. >> yeah, you'v got 96% of democrats, 84% of republicans, 89% of independents. i don't think that ma people support apple pie. yet, in terms of congress, it simply has not been able to be the legislation that passed in the house this year was the first time the house h passed legislation dealing with gun control since the 1990s.

in the senate, in 2013, there was this effort, the lastse ous bipartisan effort with manchin and toomey, a republican and democratic senator, and that s after sandy hook, that was the closest they've come and couldn't overcome r.a filibus toomey, the senator from pennsylvania said he wants to reviews this and bringhat back and, yet, he doesn't actually want the senate to come back into sessionright away because he doesn't think it has the votes. >> woodruff: could this be the impetus, amy, to change in some way what the status quo is? >> you had the president today saying we need bipartisan and unity. the ship has sailed on that. he's calling f unity yet that's not what he practices from his bully pulpit that has not been his administration at all. so you can't now, two years in after running as incrediblydm

divisiveistration and the rhetoric that has come from the white house to say, well, now 're going to come together and change this. the thing, too about this bipartisan bill that passed the' house, 8 republicans supported it, 2 democrats voted against it. in 1994 when they passed the assault weapons ban, 38 republicans supported it, 77 f that is going back t tos idea we have just sorted ourselves and now this parizing -- it's as much about the messenger as the message. everyone agrees in the poll weqf they don't trust the other party to do it. >> woodruff: but we are reading andri h, tam, about some problems in the gun lobby.. tha. has had a lot of internal issues. is there in any sense a weakening on the side of gun rights and a strengthening on the side gun control? or, again, are we looking at these ing this way in perpetuity.

n.r.a. hasn't spent as much money in midterms as before, and yet it isn't about the money, it's about the sway they have in people's districts. not yet have we seen a genuine erosion of that, and the other thing isthe n.r.a. is only one group, and there are a number of other gun rights groups who sort of pick up the mantel. >> woodruff: and quickly, amy, among the democrats, pretty much r the most part they want gun control. e yes. >> woodruff: so a assuming this isn't going to be an issue? >> amo democrats, no. >> woodruff: among democrats. it wasn't that long ago, judy, you remthembe2000 election, and there were a lot of democrats who said the reason al gore lost in places like his home statef tennessee because of the clinton administration taking a harder line on guns. so democrats are still -- they've made a lot m ofement on this issue in the last 20 years to g to this place where

they are totally unified in support for more gun regulation. >> woodruff: amy walter, tamera keith, thank you both. >> you're welme. >> woodruff: and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: b bel. a language learning app that uses speech recognition technology a teaches real-life conversations. daily 10-15 minute lessons are voiced by native speakers and are at babbel. babbel.com. >> financial services firm raymond james. >> and by the alfred p. sloan foundation. supporting science, technology, and improved economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st ctury.

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