capt sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: all eyes on the storm. hurricane dorianhurns toward the u.s. mainland as florida sidents batten down for dangeroulandfall. then, hearing from home. it's the time of year when members ofongress head back to their districts, and voters have a lot to get off their chests. plus, a wandering wall and theus art of change. onartist andy goldsworthy capturing the ephemeral. >> this rk has taken me into uncomfortable territory and that is a great thing for an artist to be put into. >> woodruff: and, it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze president

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florida with cat4 winds of 140 miles an hour. but, with the actual track still uncertain, governor ron desantis held off ording evacuations day. >> we know it's going west, it thgoing to eventually go n will it go north before it hits the east coast, will it go right 95, will it go up the center oft the state, wilo up the west coast, or even into the gulf? we don't know that yet. but i think if folks arethn those area need to do what's best to prepare.it but yeah be great for me to say "it's been totally ruled out to go one direction or another." >> woodruff: let's heamore about dorian's trajectory as of this evening and the risks of this hurricane. edward rappaport is the deputy director of the national hurricane ceer and he joins me from their center in miami. >> ed rapport, thank you for being with us, so what is the latest information on dorian? >>good evening, juy. yes, during the day today, dorian did strengthen and became what we call a major hurricane category. the track is also beginning to chge and this was expected.

oe storm had been movingard the northwest with but now beginning toweurn toward the with northwest with and in fact we expect it is going tec turn even more towards the lef there, which is going to make it go towards the west, and here is the recast nowthe center located about 600 miles to the east of the florida east coast, and the track we have now forecasts for it to approach by late in the weekend the cocoast but then slow significantly and turn very near the coast. so while typicallyorecasting thforecastingthe intensity is tn this case the track forecast is particularly problematic for us. >> woodruff: why problematic? >> well in this case, if thesh hurricanuld turn a little earlier than we are forecasting, which would be really great news, it woceld take theter offshore. if the turn is delayed just a little bit, we are lking about maybe 50 miles, then we have a landfall of a major hurricane on the south or central coast of

florida, with the impacts that significant.h would be quite >> woodruff: and you are saying it slowed and what does that mean in terms of the danger that itth represents? >> yes. there are a number of -- tere are positive factors for a factor, the positive is it give us a litre time to preg. prepare. it is a prolonged period ofives strong winds with, very heavy and flooding rains and storm surge, which might go through multip high tide cycles whi can make things even worse. >> woodruff: and any -- what are the chances now it could weaken at this point? >> in this case, we don't think there will be much chance for a weakening. atain we have now a egory 3 hurricane, 115 miles per hour winds, we are foecasting it to become even stronger over the next day or so. the issue for us is, will the center actually make it to the coast? and at this stage there is still

a fairly significant chance of that and we ask all folks inid to prepare because of that potential eventuality. >> woodruff: for sure. if preparation is so ortant.l, ed rapport at the national hurricane center, we anyou. >> thank you. >> woodruff: now we have seen pictures of gas lines and we are -- >> woodruff: we've seen pictures of gas lines and we're seeing people lined up in groce stores. to give us some beer perspective on what people neew to kd what the state is doing to get ready, we turn to craig fugate. he headed the federal emgency management agency under president obama. before that, he was director of florida's emergency management division. today he lives and works as an advisor in gainsville, florida and joins us from there. just now to ed rapport at the national hurricane center, what should the state of florida be doing to prepare? >> well, the folks up at tallahassee in the operatings

center desanalled tout national guard is they are worst case scenarihis of the storm going to come in as a jor hurricane and do tremendous damage? is it going to be a slow moving storm with lots of rain, you know, torential rainfall measured in feet so they have to plan for all of these. the problem is florida is peninsula, so there is not too many options about how you can preposition resources so you have to kind of play tis out and go, worst case scenario how the right resources but untile that track gets closer, we actually start seeing the likely impacts they have to plan for a lot of scenarios from south to north florida. >> woodruff: we heard the governor say we just do't have enough information yet to tell rt evacuating.n how long chey wait, though, before they tell -- go ahead. >> ye. well this is well backed and it is not something we just likae jump andy it is time to evacuate. every one of these counties

along the chest kows about how long it takes to evacuate their at risk populations and they are looking for th arrival of the tropical force winds. and they will count backwards from that forecast and they will y it takes some 24 hours to evacuate. they are looking fo that forecast how early tropical force winds would with reach eir area and they would want to get their evacuations that. before req they just don't want to put p people on the highways an goi across bridges when you have 40 plus miles per hour winds. so this is reonally based he timing of the arrival of tropical force winds, how long it takes to evacuate counties and the fa that all of these counties on the east cast are going to share evacuation routes like i-90 '04 and i 4 and they all work with the hurricane ce >> woodruff: because they have to think about traffic and traffic jams? >> exactly. you have got some counties that if they go too eahey may actually be a bottleneck for a much laratr popn that needed to go, so everybody gets

on these conference calls, all of the counties, the hurricane center, thstate and thekind of walk through this on the timing issues, but we know that the larger counties take more time. the big thing is, do people know if they are in an van education zone? and that's what a we want them to do right now, find out if youre in an evacuation zone. find without to government itbe doesn't have tundreds of miles. most of these counties wil willn up shelters you probably won p't have to go more than ten miles, so if you go to a wh hotelr mel you don't want to go without a reservation. throws the folks that end up having to driv>>to atlanta. e woodruff: but so beyond evacuating, what else can peo be doing other than watching television, listening to the radio? of course following the internet right now? >> well, i plan to do a barbecue on saturday or sunday, so i don't think it is going to be that soon the storm gets here.

if you have got your plan and your supplies and you know what you are gog to do, just monitor the storm and keep on doing what you would be doing. a lot of.eople are getting ready at the last-minute and there is still plenty of time but this is t kind e challenge for these kind of storms is they are so far out, they have slowed don, we have got lots of time. people, get your suies and stuff but if you have he everything and you are set there is no reason why you can't at least salvage some of these -- some of this la or dayliday, but if you not ready you still have time to get your supplies. but what youre preparing for for a lot of folks inland is going to be a lot of rain and unfortunately there will be a lot of that as the storm comes over tuf state. >> wf: so as somebody who ha fbe the head a and of course has been in charge of emergency situations in the state of florida, what is your biggest worry about this storm? >> well, it is going to be the three principal threats, the first is stormurge d the, in

the evacuated areas, do thepe le comply with the evacuations and do they leave? we don't want people waiting for next forecast or delay and they may not get out in time. the second sometime e winds. outside of what you would see inds aret devastation, thprimary thing that is going to cause widespread power outages and this is a big storm so, you know, its potential is causing a lot of damage well inland with, really a challenge for all the utilities to deal with. but with a slow moving storm, the third thing you are worried about now is heavy rainfall, and the slowerhat storm is and the longer it takes you start measuring rainfall in feet and you saw what happened in houston plring harvey. imagine that thices like orlando that are well inland from the coast but could see ara lot oin if the storm slows down and tracks in that direction. >> woodruff: does -- and finally doest look to you at this point, craig fugate, that e state of florida, tht the federal, that fema, the federal

folks are elequprepared for this? >> well with, you know, we and federal partners are doing,e dand it really comes down to wt our public is doing. if the public soing their part then yes the governor has called tout national guard. people are getting resources ordered up. fema has got their folks in tallahassee and they have folks that asu bringing inplies. they have urban search and rescue teams that have, you know, water rescue capabilities on stand by. so everybody wreab up and down is getting ready, it really comes down to how prepared do e public get and what is really critical isolks listen to evacuation orders and move to higher ground, so that will be the key to keep our fatalities low is getting people to evacuate, evacuating ear and making sure that people aren't s staying behiing it won't be that bad. that's just not -- you kn, you just can't make that gamble with yourself and your family. >> woodruff: wellmet's hope craig fugate, someoneho knows

very well about emergency management. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> >> woodruff: in the day's other news, another u.s. service member has been killedmbat in afghanistan. but gave no details.ath today it came amid reports that the u.s. and the taliban may be nearing a peace agreement.so 14,000 erican troops remain in afghanistan, providing air cover and support for afghan forces. authorities in hong kong movedf today to head w pro-democracy protests.

they denied permission for a major march scheduled for tomorrow. it would have marked five years since mainland china barred democratic elections for hong kong's chief executive. meanwhile, two veteran activists were arrested, then released on bail. they vowed to fight for the self-determination of hong kong. >> woodrf: hong kong's police chief warned of jail time for anyone who is caught at noli sanctioned r this weekend. iran is still building up a stockpilof enriched uranium, violating the 2015 nuclear agreement. at word comes from thenited nations' nuclear watchdog agency. o says iran continues to enrich iranium at a higher level tehran announced earlier this

summer that it would begin violatinparts of tlear agreement after the u.s. quit the deal last year. in australia, officials today lowered the outlook for the health of the great barrier reef to "very poor". environment minister sussan ley said warmi oceans and other factors are killing the corals that make up the reef. >> this reef has suffered in the last few years. bleaching events, and various attacks by the predator crown- of-thorns starfish. so, unsurprisingly, the outlook is that the condition has deteriorated. and the report calls out the biggest threat to the reef, ich is climate change. >> woodruff: the great barwoer reef is thd's largest coral reef system. back in this country: the democratic pcaty effectively eled plans for "virtual e ucuses" in iowa and nevada -- letting people v phone.

but tional party leaders sai the system could be vulnerable toacking. and on the republican side: illinois congressman john shimkus announced he will retire. he is the 14th house republican not running again next year, compared with nearly 40 in the 2018 mid-terms. the official account of twitter c.e.o jack dorsey was hacked today, sending out vulgar and racist tweets. twitter quickly deleted the posts, and said it is investigating. the incident may be related to twitter's promise to crack down ford is recalling more than 550,000 trucks and s.u.v.'s over potentially faulty seat backs. they could fail to hold passengers in place in a crash. the recall includes f-.0 explorers and expeditions from model years 2018 to 2020.

wall street had a quiet day headed into the long labor day the dow jones industrial average gained 41 points to close at 26,403. the nasdaq fell 10 points, nod the s&p-500 addedabout two . and, a passing t. former dallas police detective jim leavelle has died.f he became partstory two days after president kennedy's assassination in november 1963. leavelle was in the light- colored suitescorting kennedy's killer, lee harvey oswald, at the moment that oswald was fatally shot by jack ruby. in later years, leavelle spoke about his experience and rejected all conspiracy theories about the assassination. jim leavelle was 99 years old. still to come on the newshour: why guerilla figers in colombia are vowing once again to take up arms. members of congress come face to

face with the concerns of their constituents. mark shields and david brookshe break downatest moves from the 2020 campaign trail. impermanence on display: an artist captures the irit of change. and much more. >> woodruff: the three year old coming apart. colombia may be yesterday, hard liners from colombia's main rebep, known as the farc, issued a renewed call to arms.ng as william bm reports, they claim the colombian government is failing to live up to its part of the peace agreement. >> brangham: that's right, judye the farc andolombian government signed a historic peace deal in 2016, agreeing to civil war that's taken the lives

of roughly 220,000 colombians since the 1960s. but last year, colombia elected w president, ivan duque, who vowed to renegotiate parts of that deal, saying it was too lenient on the rebels and didn't do enough for their victims. yesterday, one of e farc leaders, known as ivan marquez, sa the duque government was violating the deal and carrying out political assassinations, and he declared a new round of fighting. today, colombian troops killed nine farc rebels in a raid, and described it as "a clear message" for fc members who want to walk away from theeace deal. >> brangham: i'm joined now by cynthia arnson. she directs the latin america program at the wilson center, which is a non-partisan think tank for international scholars established by congress. welcome ba to the newshour. >> thank you. >> the farc leader, ivan marquez with as we saw hes said are people likely to heed that call? >> well, i think it iels unl that a lot of people in the farc will heed that call. the farc political party has

dejected what ivan marquez and other farc le did along with him and there are sen to 13,000 former guerillas and miwtias that did lay their arms and there is really only about 1,500, maybe 2,000 people that are t-called rearmed guerillas but not all of them were with people that had laid down their weapons to beginso with think that it remains to be seen, but it is obviously incumbent on the government to do much more to carryut the promises of reintegration of former combatantreand tolly deliver on the major parts o the peace deal that had to do with rural reform. >> because as you well know that argument, that the governmentel has not been doing a very good job. i mean, is the evidence for their point of view, they saying you are not living up to your end of the dvel. you een assassinating members of our group.

is that true? are their complaints true? it probably is not the mainbut reason that they have gone back to fake up weapons. some -- about 130 to 150 members of the farthat had demobilized had been killed and there had been hundreds and hundreds of social leaders of even government officials that are based in colombian communities that have been killed with lupunity and a number of organizations, ing the u.n. verification mission has condemned the relentless assaults, and. >> -- >> these are not done by the colombian government. >> these are not do the colombian government. the issue is the state, the colombian government did not qmoveuickly enough or resolutely must have to reoccupy all of these spaces or territories that the farc left behind when thy demobilized. and those are the areas where people are getting killed, where criminal groups are competing

rritory, for control of drug trafficking routes, of gold mining routes, and also in manyn ances where the cocoa, the raw ingredient for cocaine is grown, and tse are very, very difficult areas and theere neds to be much more done not only in secuty terms but also toing roads and development and the legal presee of the economy and the state, including services to these areas. >> we know this deal was withy signede former president, santos, and now there is the new president, duque who campaigns saying i am going to make a lotc ofhanges to that,tand i unde that this was with a very controversial deal to begin with and there i and there is af of the deal as it was signed. what are colombians problem with s the deal as it wat togher? >> well, essentially the peace dealas submitted to a ve of the colombian public and it wars

cted by a narrow majority and that led to a quick effortio over a pof months during the previous government, during the santos government to tr to renegotiate parts of the agreement, but the central objection of president duque and people in his political party is that the report to is muco lenient in terms of the justice aspects. when any civil war with comes to an end, there are usually thesen mems of tra oitional justice that are put into place. it is very difficult to tell a guerilla force that you are negotiating with, lay down your weapons and you go to jail. and so they ch e up witese kind of hybrid mechanisms of transitional justice. >> lay down your weapons, confess to your crimes. >> confess to yourcrimes and give rep par investigations to victims and for many people the farc is hated, it committed terrible crimes, massacres, kidnappings, abuses against the

civilian population. and there are people who want to e the farc behind bars. and the fact at could be a result of people, if people don'imconfess fullly just ply not enough for president duque, for his party and obviously the majority of the colombian public. >> quickly, just in the last estion, is it your sense that the actions to last few days mean the deal is coing apart or not? >> i don't think it is coming apart. in fact, there have been some dportant, a lot of advances and the governmentoesn't get enough credit for some of those things. there have been advin voluntary eradition of cocoafo and s to give titles of land to ose in rural areas but this security situion is just not conducive to allowing the government to move ahead fully. e is also a million-4 -- 1.4 million venezuelan refugeesl that havod good columbia and the government really has

s hands full. >> cynthia arnson of thntwilson center, thank you very much. >> thank you. a pleasure. >> >> woodruff: when congress left for its late summer recess, democrats were facing pressure about whether the house should move forward with an impeachment but as lawmakers prepare top. return to washington, david cruz of pbs station njtv in new democrats are hearing mixed messages from theimi constituents. time to come on out today.he >> the first term congressman andy kim seta genteel tone at a recent tone hall meeting where ten the discussion of ther weatn turn into a heated debate, that is no small feat. >> kim is e of more than 40

democratelected to seats formerly held by republicans in the most recent midterm she a moderate democrat naah district that has been anything butsafe for either party. >> the third congressional district stretches across the southern portion of new jerseyti from the atlocean on the east to the pennsylvania border on the west with. includes large portions of mostly democratic burlington county and largely republican ocean county. in the last five presidentialer elections, vin this district have gone for al gore, george w. bush, barack obama twice and most ceny donald trump. its last four representatives to the house have been a ocrat, now a democrat. republicans, and it is that kd of political split personality that can give a first term congressman fits. andy has got a lot on his plate and he does have this weird district that is red and blue. >> marty hey enter at this the

mother of two grown children, self described progressive who volunteered on kim's 2016 campaign. she is plugged into local and national news. she ays she hs read most of the mueller report and watched the hearings. she one of those democratic voters calling on congress to begin impeachment proceedings. that guy would be in jail as would his children. f if you or i did ha the things he has done and not donee ould be in jail. >> hey enter at this said among her circle of friends in au middle classrb here in burlington county, impeach superintendent something they talk aut all the time. this was supposed to be impeachment august, whenac vists were going to pressure their representatives to make their move against the president, to be sure, constituents did bring it up. >> the solution for this is impeachment. >> and since coming home for recess more than 30 democrats changed their stance on impeachment bringing the numberh

to morn 130. the majority of the caucus. but as august turns to september, the fervor for impeached at least in andy kim's district seems to have cooled. >> my message is, congress, do at you need to do for th people. that is important, people. on the street of working cla burlington city, median income omas over $24,000, anthony has a different perspective. he says pocketbook issues are more important thn impeachment. >> everything is more important. people need somewhere to go. theyeed food. they need shelter, they need jobs. >> betty wilson is a retired former new jersey assembly mber and a deocrat. she is no fan of donald trump but she thinks any talk of impeachment this late in the president's first term is probably moot. >> that is a queion that, as we get closer to the election xt yea it beomes less important to me, frankly. i just want to get rid ofhim. either constituentrom youre from

party to come out one way or the other in terms of impeachment? >> i am really not trying to m approach any of this fr political standpoint. i am not trying to think through in my mind what is going help win an election or what is goi to help. look, we have to serve the constitution. to talk ofpons impeach is, impeachment isas ed he may be with a first term congressman but he is very familiar with with the district and the political polar opposites that exist within it. for many outside of this local grocerresto in republican ocean county, impeachment is a four-lter word. >> ridiculous, i am not in favor of impeachment>> rump is not a politician. he is a buinessperson, se crude, he is arrogant but he is getting the job done and everyone is interfering with hia ability to tr get job done. >> there is a cost to everything and e cost for impeachment on damaging and i don't see it. be

i don't see it, whether it isr worth it not, i don't think it is. >> for kim addressing local concerns over thsafe decommissioning of the nearby nuclear power plant, a topic of cover.own hall, can provide it is something most everyone but it is no guaranteed safe haven from some voters in the district where nuance can cosctt you. >> you, sir -- my vote. >> the "pbs newshr", i am david cruz, from la n tow jersey. >> and that brings us to the analysis of shields and brooks,. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and new york times columnist david brooks. roob let's look at what we just heard from the voters in andy kim's voters in new jersey. you could say they are all over the ,p but it is interesti yes, it is a divided district.

these voters really are divided. >> yes. you know, i think impeachment is just this big mjus of interruption on our process of wegovernment to the extenave one. and that usually is accompanied by a cultural landslide where people are talking about themp issue ofchment, whereas it is on the front page andpa watergate it is breaking story, the "washington post" and "the r w york times" are breaking stories, and as i can tell the russia investigation has drifted to the back of a lop ple's minds and so there is a core that still wants to do it, and over half of the democratic caucus want at least an inquiry into ntpeachut i just don't feel the ground swell and i do think that sense that let's ve this campaign and let's get to the issues is just going to make thischee thing peter out. >> mark what do you think of perele, real people'ctions. >> betty wilson, the voter in burlington, i want to get rid of him but let's just get on with the election, basically, and i think that is the prevailing attitude now.

if there is any question, i don't question the intensity and sincerity and nviction of those who seek the impeachment, but i think the praicalitof that, of course, has been disproved and i think speaker pelosi has made her position pretty clear on it. >> woodruff: but you do have, david you said it, about half, more than half you have the major at a of democrats who have come out andtsaid we should move ahead with an impeachment inquir you have yt some ke committee shares, jerry nadler,, chairman of the judiciary encommittee so what ha 0 to some degrethere is the hard-core that wants to do this and some people are saying i am for the inquiry but i am not sure i am for impeachment whicha gives, which m you can play both sides and pelosi's position has always been when the public case has been made for it, and unless there is a ground swell i goe head and say the public case has been made for it. and the risks of doing it are reasonably high. we have seen that against the clinton impeachment, the backlash, and at fight happen in this case. >> woodruff: i mean --

>> sure. ju, it is not a matter of topic of common discussion in e country. it is not at the top of any talk shoiw lst. it just isn't, i mean,. >there isan intensity obviouslye part of some democratic partisans but in no way is aio majority posin the country or it hasn't changed, it is not a drogue position. the bob mue'sllestimony came and it went andit left in its wake no movent. i think that is fair to say. >> woodruff: well -- going to iowa. in the cusp of i mean, so there is an election -- >> woodruff: well, let's talk for a moment about president trump, coming off, david, the dersmeeting of world lea last week and i think it is fair to safay this has been a tumultuous week for the president. his position on trade with china was in one place d another and

yet another. we were with hearing something differt element eve day. you look back on the g-7, again, the meing in nce last weekend and it was more characterized by tnsion that he had with other world leaders than by any sense that anything was getting done. >> yes. that's sort of par for theo courser g-7 summits. alat struck me is how the debate changed around dtrump. there has been whispering as is he mentally not as fit as he was, are impairment rise something that seemed to rise and now become public conversation. when he said his father was with born in germany when your father was born. >> the bonx that's not something you normally get wrong. his wife is good trends with tho north rean leaders when she never met him there are a lot of things coming out of his mouthal and this haways been the case, but the verbal patterns, psychiatrists are not allowed to judge people they haven't met but there are certaiy a lot of people out there raising a lot of red flags, to me among thepo

tical tumult of the g-7 the psychological tumult is almost one of the key takes away. >> woodruff: do you think we are in a different place with regard to all of that? >> i don't know, judy. i think there is a fatigue about donald trump. i thinkehere is, what is h going to do next attitude and then, you know, what is the cacity, has theurage reached those limits? as far as the g-7 summit, that hit me about it was, i n't get over how he continues to denigrate i mean, tha is gratuitous and i had explained ou me by a trump, one time trump watcher who said trump knows that g-7 meeting that they would rather have obama than him, and so he is almost driven to make upn stories abontut presibama, that president obama gave away crimea to putin, that, yout

know -- just s a fabricated thing, an that to me is bizarrebut the other ting about it is, at least davidson said it better, better we miss an election than the american people. >> dopald trump lies when he doesn't have to. in the meeting of the g-7 and he skipped it, anhe said well,as the i wasn't there is i was meeting with the prime minister of india, mos of wom were at the meeting. so it is just -- saying things that are so eascorrected and so easily proved that he is lying, and at some point i would just think the burden of workine 0 for e like that becomes unbearable, just unbearable, he lies to you, as a loyal sffer, he lies to the people he ist dealing h. and, you know, at some level in politics your word is the coin of the realm and he just is ovea drawn onbank account. >> woodruff: well, i don't want to draw too close a

mparison here, but, david, this week there was a attention to joe biden because he has be telling a story about meetings he had with u.s. american veterans who were fighting in iraq or afghanistan and telling a ry emotional, compelling them and, you know, how one was, retrieved a buddy from a burning vehicle and another one rappelled down a cliff and so forth but it tns out these are different things that happened jumped together with,mp jumbled together with franklyo inaccurate pieces. >> yes. >> woodruff: you know, some are saying this should beec cod and compared to the president. others are saying, no way. >> i think in no way. i mean, biden may be 18ing andi sue.e a that's an is i think it is a legitimate issue for voters to think about but he is not medacious, he is not irresponsible, he may embellished a story to i don't echave the dramatic eff a and may be for getting things. our memories are more fallible

than we think. every memory expert will tell you that and when you dng thousands of events things get y jumbled r mind and for some reason we have gotten into a pattern where thea bidenff is the story so eight good things on the campaign, tells one with mistake and that's th story because that's the story we associate with joe biden right now. but it is something for voters to monitor. i don't thibellishing that kind of story is like something that is necessarily a sign tha t over to the hill. >> woodruff: and biden's campaign mark is saying the this.much ofi >> yes. i e biden campaign ought to shut up. an they really do. the last thing in the worthld yu want with to do as campaign is tell the voteers what mat. right now it doesn't matter to voters. we went through a campaign in 1980 where the president of the united states running for election got 49 electoral votes and carried six states, jimmy cart ronald reagan a man who said the trees cause more pollution than automobiles. sa man who says there w more

oil under alaska than there wasn waaudi arabia, a man wo said that maybe darwinism, you know, awe ought to teach creationism as well with but there was no mice with ronald reagan, and voters saw that. in 3 said yes he said things that weren't totally fac true but it wasn't men day, to use david's word anit wasn't an attempt, to aggrandize him, all of donald trump's lies are to put anyone a better light joe embellishes, joe embroiders and i think it can be a proxye for age whentarts doing that. and i think they have to be worried about that. comparable at this, eitherare morally or politically. >> it is noticeable with voter p thple will forgive you for getting the facts wrong if you get your basic narrative right that basically the america you see is theerica voters recognize. >> woodruff: in the meantime we know that biden is goiatng to be and we have a picture of the ten demrats who have madthe next debate stage, that means

ten hers didn't make the debate stage, this was democratic party rules, david,a that said youd to hav 130,000 people giving you money and you had to be at two percent in several pls. some of the candidate whose didn't make cut areyinthese rules aren't fair. what do you think? getting to to percent is not like -- it is not like the british invasion of the beatles landing at shea stadium if you can't get 22 percensomething is not working but the point is we are with still five months away from voters voting. >> the realy is at some point the voters can't really entertain 22 people up there, 20 people over two nights so there has to be 0 a winnowing processo this seems to be a to be a pretty effective one. >> i thought we set standard as to low. so now we can take a look frankly at the peoe who are plausibly likely to be nominee and take a look and i think that serves the party anthe voy ters.

>> woodruff: what do you think about these debate rules? >> i think the debate rules are a direct consequence of 2016 t wh democratic national committee and party favored hillary clinton over bernie sanders, unfairly, they were promulgated and there, everybody knew about them going in. we can argue about whether with they are fair or two percent this early is fair. but everybody knew the rules they were pling by so i think in that sense, the party is four better than it did years ago. the problem is that some of the more electable democrats in my mind are off the stage, mean, whether it is senator bennett or goernor bullock or -- not going to be there so their decision, what do , theyake that have to do something dramatic and bold to reassert themselves into the debate. and that becomes a problem. >> i wouldn't think it is a death sentence for them, because you look at how much movement rethere has been, warwas down in the dumps and now she is surging.

was up, i am struck how voters are really moving around. >> but i just think the covthere is going to two, is going to go to the ten. >> for sure. >> ad. >> woodruff: and the debates -- >> , you know, and so you have to do something, if you are senator bennett or senator wuhl are not o others wh there , bullock, the, to breakthrough that coverage 0. >> woodruff: it is pointed out for the october debates the rules will stay the same for some who didn't qualify this and david in just a few seconds we have left, we are starting to sethe shape of the race, i mean, all of the candidates on stage are people, somebody pointed outndrew yang is the only nonpolitician on the stage. >> in at the running a real campaign and warren is the story, slow steady growth based on fundamentals, frankly liked on, frankly based on likabilities.

>> 45,000 seles, so i think her move is right now, is the story of the moment. >> woodruff: we are with going to leave it there, david brooks, mark shields, thank you both. >> >> woodruff: finally tonight, walls are all around us, but how often do we stop and think a tut why represent? that's exactly what british sculptor andy goldsworthy is doing at his latest project in kansas city.ow jeffrey brhas the story for "canvas," our ongoing series on art and culture. >> brown: as the sun came up on this early morning on the grounds of the nelson-atkins museum of art kansas city, workers took apart stones from one end of a wall, ped them in small wheelbarrows and carried

them a short distance, where they were added to the wall's other end. it's an unusual project thatla begast march and will run through november in five stages. to build a section of wall 100 yards long with 100 tons ofro , thend ear it down, build it section by section over time, essentiallyal creating athat will walk across the landscape and itself.lly into the museum riits creator, 63 year oldsh artist andy goldsworthy, told me he's always wanted to build a "walking wall." >> i pposed it two or three times. no one got it. "what? it's a challenge. a wall?'" >> woodruff: not only a challenge, it's a little crazy in a way, right? you're going to move a wall?t' >> i thinkreally sensible.

>> brown: thinking, seeing, even experiencing differently: 's what goldsworthy has been doingt for decades. he was first known for creating sculptures in the landscape using natural materials he came upon, lees, branches, fallen trees, stones. art, but not the kind for a gallery or home: these were of and remained in place. and they werhe by nature, ral: changing, fading, eventually dying through weathey and time. you were making things that are going yo disappear. didn't care? >> no, no i care! i lore very much. doesn't mean anything if you don't care! essentially art for me is a way of trying to understand the world that i'm living in, my relationship with it and things that change, this that go, even when they go or how they

decay,ow they change, as this is changing. >> brown: over time, the scaleis has grown asork has been commissioned around the world: nine stacked domes at washington's national gallery,er large cairns in several locations, this one near his home in scotland, and a nearly 3,000 foot long wall that winds s way through the woods at the storm king art center in new york's hudson valley. in kansas city, the material, limestone, came from the nearby flint hills, the inspiration from the local landscape: the stone walls marking boundaries all around the city and surrounding prairie. but the idea here: to make the stone move. >> it's not thstone, it's about the movement of stone. >> brown: what does that mean, movement of stone? t because we donnk of stone moving. >> well, that's exactly it. you ow, rather than seeing stone as a static thing-- here, for example, we're standing in a place where there have bee walls come out of the ground

rebuilt and built again. that's what we do. >> brown: structures on top of structures. >> not just the structures. thosideain an.ideas.anthe peop t goswory ensted a group ofau locals to gment his own team. all followed the british tradition of a break for tea. edd smith and jason wilton are experienced craftsmen whose task was to keep thwall moving at a ce of 10-12 yards a day.2 no hammers or machinery and no binding mortar! just stones, fit together piece by piece, with big flat ones to level it on the top at four feee high, measuredld-fashioned way. top ribs.ge-old method: yeah, most of the time it worksr if you have people you get really short walls. >> brown: fife gibson has known goldsworthy since he was a child, even carrying stones as an eight-year-old.

you've come a long way! >> well, a long way distance- wise. think so. but still st carrying stones. but still just carrying stones. it's an interesting life, yeah, it's nice. i never thought i'd be building a wall across a four lane busy road. >> brown: indeed, in phase two of the project, the wall crossed-- and blocked for three weeks-- a normally busy street, foing commuters to find there were a few angry shouts, goldsworthy said, but most drivers, runners, and walkers seemed to enjoy the change of scenery. >> a lot of the people come in and say, "oh, this is kind of nice." >> brown: well, it's nice forut you,ome people on their drive might not be so happy. k >> i know,w. they will get their road back. one n said to me. "we can always hofe traffic. hon can we get a wall crossing the road?" >> brown: a bit of ksssas city kindnd understanding, which is what's been required of ise museum itself. the nelson-atkinne of the nation's leading art museums --a sculpture collection that

includes its now iconic" shuttlecocks." but director of design steve challenge like this. w a n you work at a museum you get a lot of things in the mail or on a delivery truck, and then objects come in crates. you take them out of the crates and you put them on the walls. >> brown: they're already finished, and it's your job is to show what's already done. >> yeah, you've got to make it ok good once it gets her would say it was the absolute opposite of that. i mean, every night i go hometh ank, i don't know whether to think this is art or this is life! >> brown: a bit of bot no doubt. and add to the mix a bit of politics, in an age where "building a wall" has a new meaning. >> this work has taken me into uncomfortable territory and that is a great thing for an artistto e put into. it was conceived as an idea pre- trump, pre t wall that is

happening now.e tis, in sy, has gotin nothing to do wit. and everything to do with that. and how it will resolve itself i'm not entirely sure. but it's indelibly written into the making of this. >> brangham: for now, there were many challenges ahead, including eew to get his wall to squ through a narrow passageway, wait down a staircase, wind way througpark-like grounds, and make its way, finally, into the museum. if all goes to plan, by the end of november a permanent piece of wall wilstand half outside and half in. apart, rebuilt stone by stone.

for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown at the nelson- atkins museum in kansas city, missouri. never seen anything like it. he and his team will be back in kansas city on september 9th to build the next stage of e >> woodruff: goldsworthy and his team will be back in kansas city on september 9th to build the next stage of the "walking wall" >> woodruff: photographer thchard ross has documente u.s. juvenile justice system for the better part of a decade. in tonight's "brief spectacular," ross shares what it feels likicto honor the of children behind bars. his books "juvie talk" and "girls in justice" are available online. i ent to a juvenile detention center in texas. and i was used to photographing architecture, but, then, all of dden, i started talking to a couple of kids there that were

very fragile, didn't speak any english. and i realized that i was ther conduit for thice. when i would go into these institutions, i would knock on the door of the cell, i would take o my shoes, i would ask for permission to come in. and then, i would sit on the floor of the cell. i would give that child authority physically above me. and these were usually teenagers, and they were isolated, bored, lonely. and somebody interested in paying attention to them, they... they loved it. these kids all live under the umbrella of trauma, poverty, abuse, neglect, and i'm trying to figure out the world where help them and they go intoes to the deeper end of the system.

every one of these children need mental health services.e the kids without a voice from families without resources, from communities without power, and that's got to change somehow. getting the images into theha s of the right people to affect change is the battle that i do. the senate and house was voting to renew the act that kept ildren in separate courts. there was an exhibition of my workn the capitol rotunda. and then, when the actual vote was taking place, senators grassley and durban both had copies of my book when they were voting. i create these images because data, while it's incre escentant, exists in flu stility, yearning for a fragile voice to make it comprehensible on human terms. when you have kids from one zip code that are more likely to go to prison than college, then

society has failed them rather than they have failed us. so, instead of figuring out how to change these kids to fit into our initutions, we have to rearrange our thinking and figure out how our institutions change to fit these kids.ve yoeen these images. you have a glimpse of who these kids are ask yourself, what would you do if this was your kid? my name is richard ross, and this is my "brief but spectacular" take on juvenile instice in america.ou >> woodruff:an find all episodes in our "brief but spectacular" series on our website at www.pbs.org/newshour. tune in later tonight. on washington week, robert costa is on storm watch. hurricane dorian has raised questions about president trump's leadship after the administration re-directs federal money for fema togr bolster imion enforcement. that's later tonight onwa

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