captioninewsponsored by our productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: all eyes on the storm. hurricane dorian churns toward the u.s. mainland as florida residents batten down r a dangerous landfall. then, hearing from hom it's the time of year when members of congress head back t, their di and voters have a lot to get off their chests. plus, a wandering wall and the art of change. artist andy goldsworthy on capturing the ephemeral. >> this work has taken me into uncomfortable territory and that is a great thing for an artist to be put into. >> woodruff: and, it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze presidents trummultuous week, the appetite for impeachment among

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florida with category 4 winds of 140 miles an hour. but, with the ac uncertain, governor ron desantis held off ordering evacuations today. >> we know it's going west, it's going to entually go north. will it go north before it hits the east coast, will it go rig 95, will it go up the center of west coast, or even into the gulf? we don't know that yet. but i think if folks are in those areas they need to do what's best to prepare. but yeah, it'd be grr me to say "it's been totally ruled out to go one direction or another." >> woodruff: let's hear more about dorian's trajectory as of this ening and the risks of this hurricane. edward rappaport is the deputy director of the national hurricane center and he joins me from their center in miami. >> ed rapport, thank you for being with us, so what is the latest information on dorian? >> good ening, judy. yes, during the day toy, dorian did strengthen and became what we call a major hurricanewh category 3. the track is also beginning to the storm had been moving toward

the northwest with but now beginning to turn weward the with northwest with and in fact we expect it isoing tove turnmo towards the left there, which is going to make it go towards the west, and here is the forecast now, the center a cated about 600 miles to the east of the florst coast, and the track we have now forecasts for it tapproach by late in the weekend the cocoast but then slow significantly and turn very near the coast. so while typically forecasting thforecastingthe intensity is tn this case the track forecast is particularly problematdr for us. >> wf: why problematic? >> well in this case, the hurricane should turn a littr earlan we are forecasting, which would be really great news, it would te the center offshore. if the turn is delayed just a little bit, we are talking about maybe 50 miles, then we have a landfall of a major hurricane on the south or central coast of

florida, with the impacts that we whic which would be quite significant. saying it slowed at does that mean in terms of the danger that it represents? >> yes. are positive factors for ahere factor, the positive is it gives prepare.tle more time to preg. the negative is once it arrives it is a prolonged period of strong winds with, very heavy and flooding rains and storm surge, which might go through multiple high tide cycles which can make things even worse. >> woodrf: and any -- what are the chances now it could weaken at this point? there will be muche for a think weakening. ryagain we have now a cate 3 hurricane, 115 miles per hour winds, we are forecasting it to eecome even stronger over nextay or so. the issue for us is, will the center actuay make it to the coast? and at this stage there is still a fairly significant chance of

that and we ask all folks in that potential eventuality. >> woodruff: for sure. if there is any chance at all, preparation is so important. ed rapport at the nationalnt hurricane , we thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: now we have seen pictures of gas lines and we are -- >> woodruff: we've seen pictures of gas lnd we're seeing people lined up in grocery stores. to give us some better to know and what the state ised doing to get ready, we turn to craig fugate. he headethe federal emergency management agency under president obama. orbefore that, he was diref florida's emergency management division. today he lives and works as an advisor in gainsville, florida and joins us from there. >> woodruff: craig, listening just now to ed rapport at the national hurricane center, what should the state of floridbe doing to prepare? w l,he folks up at tallahassee in the operating center desantis called touton

na guard is they are getting ready for all of the worst case scenarios s this storm going to come in as a major hurricane and do tremendous damage? is it going toe a slow moving storm with lots of rain, you ow, torrential rainfall measured in feet so they have to plan for all of these. the problem is florida is a peninsula, so there is not too many options about how you can preposition resources so you have to kind of play this out and go, worst case scenario how do i get close enough and have the right resources but thtil track gets closer, we actually start seeing the like impacts they have to plan for a lot of scenarios from south toa. north flor >> woodruff: we heard the governor say we just don't have acough information yet to tell people to start ting. how long can they wait, though, before they tell -- go ahead. >> yes. is not something w liked and it jump and say it is time to evacuate. every one of these counties along the chest knows about how

long it takes to evacuate their at risk populatis and they are looking for the arrival of the tropical force winds. and they will count backwards say it takes some 24 hours toill evacuate. they are looking for that wirecast how early tropical force winds woul reach their area and they would want to get their evacuations completed if required before that. they just don't want to put people on the highways and goi across bridges when you have 40 plus miles per hour winds. so this is really based upon the timing of the arrival of tropical fce winds, how long it takes to evacuate counties and the fact that all of these counties on the east are going to share evacuation routes like-90 '04 and i 4 and they all work with the hurricane center to make that call. >> woodruff: because they have to think aut traffic and traffic jams? >> exactly. you have got some counties that if they go too early they may actually be a bottleneck for a much larger populationhat needed to go, so everybody gets

ll these conference calls, of the counties, the hurricane center, the state and they kind ofalk through this on the timing issues, but we know that the larger counties take more time. the big thing is, do people know if they are in an van educatio zone? and if not that's what a we want th to do right now, find out if you are in an evacuation zone. find without to vernment it doesn't have to be hundreds of miles. most of these counties wil willn up shelters you probably won't have to go more than ten miles, so if you go to a wh hotel or ml you don't want to go without a reservation. throws the folks that end up hang to drive to atlanta. >> woodruff: but so bend evacuating, what else can people be doing other than watching television, listening to the radio? of course following the internet right now? >> well, i plan to do a barbecue on saturday or sunday, so i don't think it is going to be that soon the storm gets here.

if you have got yourand your supplies and you know what you are going to do, just omonitor the storm and ke doing what you would be doing. a loof people are getting ready at the last-minute and there is still plenty of time but this is kind of th challenge for these kind of storms is they are so far out, they have slowedown, we have got lots of time. people, get your supplies and stuff but if you have he everything and you are set there is no reason why you can'tt leaslvage some of these -- some of this labor day holiday, but if you not ready you still have time to get your supplies. but what you are preparing for for a lot of folks inland is going to be a lot of rain and unfortunately there be a lot of that as the storm comes over the sta. >> woodruff: so as somebody who has been the head of fema and of course has been in charge of emergency situations in thehe state of florida, what is your biggest worry about this storm? >> well, it is going to be the three principal threats, the first is storm surge and the, in the evacuated areas, do the

people comply with the evactions and do they leave? we don't want people waiting for next forecast or delay andhey may not get out in time. outside of what yod see winds. from just devastation, winds are the primary thing at is going to cause widpread power outages and this is a big storm so, you know, its potential is causing a lot of damage well inland with, really a challenge for all of the utilities to deal with. but with a slow moving storm, the third thing you are woied about now is heavy rainfall, and the slower that storm is and the longer it takes you start measuring rainfall in feet and h you saw whpened in houston during harvey. imagine that this places likeac orlaat are well inland from the coast but could see a lot of rain if the storm slows down and tracks in that directn. >> woodruff: does -- and finally does it look to you at this point, craig fugate, that the state of florida, that thet federal, tma, the federal folks are adequately prepared for this?

>> well with, you know, we always talk about what our state and federal partners are doing, and it really comes down to what our public is doing. if the public so doing their pa then yes the governor h called tout national guard. people are getting resources ordered up. fema hasot their folks in tallahassee and they have folks that are bringing in supplies. they have urban sear rescue teams that have, you know, water rescue capabilitiesn tand by. so everybody wreab up and down is getting ready, it really comes down to how prepared does the public get and wha really critical is folks listen to evacuation orders and move to higher ground, so that will be the key to keep our fatalities low is getting people to evacuate, evacuating early and making sure that people aren't staying behind saying it won't be that bad. that's just not -- you know, you just can't make that gamble with yourself and your family. >> woodruff: well let's hope people are listening. craig fugate, someone who knows

very well about emergey management thank you very much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: in the y's other news, another u.s. service member has been killed in combat in afghanistan. nato reported the death today but gave no details. it came amid reports that the u.s. and the taliban may be nearing a peace agreement. some 14,000 ameran troops remain in afghanistan, providin ver and support for afghan forces. authorities in hong kong moved today to head off new pro-democracy protests. they denied permission for a major march scheduled for tomorrow.

it would he marked five yearsnc mainland china barred democratic elections for h eg kong's chicutive. meanwhile, two veteran activists were arr bail.then released on they vowed to fight for the self-determination of hong kong. >> woodruff: hong kong's police chief warned of jail tane for ne who is caught at non- sanctioned rallies this weekend. iran is still building up a stockpile of enriched uranium, violating the 2015 nuclear agreement. that word comes from the united nations' nuclear watchdog agency. it also says iran continues to enrich iranium at a higher level than allowed. tehran announced earlier this summer that it would begin

violating parts of the nuclear agreement after the u.s. quit the deal last year. in australia, officials today lowered the outlook for the health of the great barrier reef to "very poor". environment minister sussan ley said warming oceans and otherin factors are kithe corals that make up the reef. >> this reef has suffered in the last few years. six cyclones, two major coral bleaching events, and variousby attackhe predator crown- of-thorns starfish.fing so, unsurpri, the outlook is that the condition has deteriorated. and the report calls out the biggest threat to the reef, which is climate change. >> woodruff: the great barrier reef is the world's largest coral reef system. back in this country: the democratic party effectively canceled plans for "virtual caucuses" in iowa and nevada -- letting people vote by phone. but national party leaders said

e system could be vulnerable to hacking. and on the republican side: illinois congressman john shimkus announced he will retire. he is the 14th house republican not running again next year, compared with nearly 40 in the 2018 mid-terms. the official accountitter c.e.o jack dorsey was hacked today, sending out vulgar and racist tweets. twitter quickly deleted the posts, and said it is investigating. the incident may be related to twitter's promise to crack down on hate speech. ford is recalling more than a 550,000 truc s.u.v.'s over potentially faulty seat backs. they could fail to holdpl passengers ie in a crash. the recall includes f-150 pickups, super duty trucks, explorers and expedifrom model years 2018 to 2020. wall street had a quiet day

headed into the long labor day weekend. the dow jones industrial average gain 41 points to close at 26,403. the nasdaq fell 10 points, and the s&p-500 added about two points. and, a passing to note. former dallas police detective jim leavelle has died. he became part of history two days after president kennedy's 19assassination in novembe. leavelle was in the light- colored suit, escorting kennedy's killer, lee harvey, oswaat the moment that oswald was fatally shot by jack ruby. in ler years, leavelle spoke about his experience and rejected all conspiracy theories about the assassination. jim leavelle was 99 years old. stilto come on the newshour: why guerilla fighters in colombia are vowing once again to take up arms. members of cgress come face to face with the concerns of their constituents.

mark shields and david brooks break down the latt moves from the 2020 campaign trail. impermanence on display: an artist captures the spirit of chan and much more. f: >> woodrhe three year old peace deal in colombia may be coming apart. yesterday, hard liners from colombia's main rebel group, known as the farc, issued a renewed call to arms. as william brangham reports, they claim the colombian government is failing to live up to its part of the peace agement. >> brangha that's right, judy. the farc and the colombian government signed a historic peacdeal in 2016, agreeing t end the 50 years of violent civil war that's taken the lives of roughly 220,000 colombians since the 1960s.

but last year, colombia elected a new president, ivan duque, who vowed to renegotiate parts of that deal, saying it was too lenient on the rebels and didn' do enough eir victims. yesterday, one of the farc leaders, known as ivan marquez,e said the dovernment was violating the deal and carrying out political assassinations, he declared a new round fighting. today, coloman troops killed nine farc rebels in a raid, and message" for farc members who want to walk away from the peace deal. >> brangham: i'm joined now by cynthia arnson. she directs the latin america program at the wilson center, which is a non-partisan ink tank for international scholars established by congress. welcomback to the newshour. >> thank you. >> the farc leader, ivan marquez with as we saw here has said take up arms my fellow rebels. call?eople likely to heed that >> well, i think it is unlikely that a lot of people in the farc wi heed that call. e farc political party has

arejected what ivan marqu other farc leaders did along with him and there are seven to 13,000 former guerillas and militias that did lay down their arms and there is really only about 1,500, maybe 2,000 people that are the so-called rearmed guerillas but not all of them were with people that had laid down their weapons to begin with, so i think that se remains to b, but it is obviously incumbent on the government to do much more to carry out the promises of reintegration of former combatants and to really deliver on the major parts of the peace deal that had to do with rural reform. >>ecause as you well know that is marqu and his fellow rebels argument, that the government has not been doing a very good job. i mean, is there evidence for their point of view, they saying you are not living up to your end of the deal. you have been assassinating memberatof our group. is that true?

are their complaints true? >> there is truth to that, but it probably is not the main reason that ey have gone back to fake up weapons.- someout 130 to 150 members of the farc that had demobilizel had beend and there had been hundreds and hundreds of social leaders of even government officials that are based in colombian communities that have been killed with impunity and a number ofnc organizations,ding the u.n. verification mission has condemned the relentless assaults, and. >> these are not done by the colombian government. >> these are not done by the colombian government. the issue is the state, the colombian government did not move quickly enough or lyl of these spaceve to reoccupy territories that the farc left behind when they demobilized. and those are the areas where people are getting killed, whe criminal groups are competing for territory, for control of

drug trafficking routes, of gold mining routes, and also in many instances where the cocoa, the raw ingredient for cocaine is grown, and these are very, very difficult ars and there needs to be much more done not only in security terms but also to bring roads and development and the legal presence of the economy and the state, including >> we know this deal was with signed by the former president, santos, and now there is the nes ent, duque who campaigns saying i am going to make a lot of changes to that, and ind undershat this was with a very controversial deal to begin th and there is and there is a f discontent about the parameters of the deal as it waed. what are colombians problem with the deal as it was put together? >> well, essentially the peace deal was submitted to a vote of the colombian public and it was rejected by a narrow majority and that led to a quick effort

over a period of months during the previous government, during the santos government to try to renegotiate parts of the dereement, but the central objection of pre duque and people in his political party is that the report it is much too lenient in terms of the justices cts. when any civil war with comes to an end, there are usually these mechanisms of transitional justice that are put into place. it is very difficult to tell a guerilla force that you are negotiating with, lay down your weapons and you go to jail. and so they come up with these nd of hybrid mechanisms of transitional justice. >> lay down yo j weapons, confess to your crimes. >> confess to your crimes and give rep par investigations to eictims and for many people farc is hated, it committed terrible crimes, massacres, kidnappings, abuses against the vilian population. and there are people who want to

see the farc behind bars. and the fact that could be a result of people, if people don't confess fullly just simply not enough for president duque, for his party and obviously for the majority of the colombian public. >> quickly, just in the last question, is it your senon that the acto last few days mean the deal is coming apart or not? >> i don think it is coming apart. in fact, there have been some important, a l of advances and the government doesn't get enough credit for some of those things. therhave been advances in voluntary eradication of coaic land to those in rural areas but this security situation is justo noucive to allowing the there is also a mi4 --ad fully. 1.4 llion venezuelan refugee that have flood good columbia and the government really s its hands full. >> cynthia arnson of the wilson

tter, thank you very much. >> thank you. a pleasure. >> >> woodruff: when congress left for its late summer recess, democrats were facing pressure about whether the house should move forward with an impeachment .nquiry into president tru but as lawmakers prepare to return to washington, david crut of pbs stationin new jersey reports at least some democrats are hearing mixed messages from their constituents. >> i appreate you taking the time to come on out today. >> the first term congressman andy k sets a genteel tone at a recent tone hall meeting where even the discussion of thetu weather can into a heated debate, that is no small feat. >> kim is one of more than 40 democrats elected to seats

formerly helby republicans in the most recent midterm she a moderate democrat naah district that has been anythingut safe for either party. >> the third congressional district stretches across the southern portion of new jersey from the atlantic ocean on the east to the pennsylvania border on the west with. it includes large rtions of mostly democrac rlington county and largely republican ocean county. in the last five presidential elections, voters in this district have gone for al gore, george w. bush, barack obamaic and most recently donald trump. its last four representatives to the house have been a decrat, followed by two republicans, an nomocrat. it is that kind of politicalit split personthat can give a first term congressman fits. andy has got a lot on his plate and he does have this weird district thais red and blue. marty hey enter at this thegr mother of twn children,

self described progressive who volunteered on kim's 2016 campaign. she is plugged into local and national news. she says she has read f the mueller report and watched the hearings. she one of those democratic voters calling on congress to begin impeachment proceedings. >> if i were with in charge, would his children. if you or i did half of the thingse has done and not done, we would be in jail. >> hey enter at this said amg her circle of friends in ala middle css suburb here in rlington county, impeach superintendent something they talk about all t time. this was supposed to be impeachment august, when activists were going to pressure their representatives to make their move against the president, to be sure, constituents did bring it up. >> the solion for this is impeachment. >> and since coming home for recess more than 30 democrats changed their stance on impeachment bringing the number to more than 130.

the majority of the caucus. but as august turns tot september, the fervor forim ached at least in andy kim's district seems to have cooled.ag >> my meis, congress, do what you need to do for the people.at s important, people.he on ttreet of working class burlington city, median income just over $24,000, thomas anthony has a different perspective. he says pocketbook issues are orre important than impeachment. >> everything isimportant. people need somewhere to go. they need food. they need shelter, they need jobs. >>etty wilson is a retired former new jersey assembly member and a democrat. she is nfan of donald trump but she thinks any talk of impeachment this late in the president's first term is probably moot. >> that is a question that, as we get closer to the election next year, it becomes less important to me, frankly. i just want to getid of him. >> do you feel any pressure from

either constituents or from your party to come out one way or the other in terms of impeachment? >> i am really not trying to approach any of this from a i am not trying to think through in my mind what is going help win election or what is goi to help. look, we have to serve the constitution. >> kim's response to talk of impeh is, impeachment is measured he may be with a first term congressman but he is very familiar with with the district and the political polar opposites that exist within it. for many outside of this local grocery store in republican ocean county, impeachment is a. four-letter wo >> ridiculous, i am not in favor of ieachment. >> trump is not a politician. he is a businessperson, se crude, he arrogant but he is getting the job done and everyone is interfering with him ability to try and get job done. mp there is a cost to everything and the cost forchment on

ee countrwould probably damaging and i don't see it. i don't see it, whether it is worth it or not, i don't think it is. >> for kim addressing local concerns or the safe decommissioning of the nearby nuclear power plan a topic off this town hall, can provide cover. it is something most everyon can get behind. but it is no guaranteed safeve from some voters in the district where nuance can cost you. >> you, sir -- my vote. david cruz, from lwn, newam jersey. >> and that brings us to the ksalys of shields and br >> that's syndicated columnist mark shields and new york times columnist david brooks. roob let's look at what we just heard from the voters ins andy kim's vot new jersey. you could say they are all over the map but it is interesting, yes, it is a divided district. these voters reall yare divided. . you know, i think impeachment is

just this big mess of interruption on our process of government to the extent we have one. and that usually is accompanied by a cultural landslide where people are talking about the issue of impeachment, whereas it is othe front page and watergate it is breaki stoto, the "washipost" and "the new york times" are breaking stories, and as far as i can tell the russia investigation has drifted to the back of a lot of people's minds and so there is a core that sti wants to do it, and over halof the democratic caucus want at least an inqry into impeachment but i just don't feel the ground swell and i do think tha'ssense that lavthis campaign and let's get to the issues is just going to make this peecht thing peter out. >> mark what do you think ofop , real people's reactions. >> betty wilson, the voter in burlington, i want to get rid of him but let's justet on with the election, basically, and i think thba is the prevailing attitude now. if there is any question, i

don't question the intensity and fsincerity and conviction those who seek the impeachment, but i think the practicality of disproved and i think speaker pelosi has made her position pretty clear on it. >> woodruff: but y do have, david you said it, about half, more than half you have the major at a of democrats who have come out and said we shod move ahead with an impeachment inquiry, you have got some key committee shares, jerry nadler,, committee so what happens? 0 to some degree there is the hard-core that wants to do this and some people are saying i am for the iniry but i am not re i am for impeachmt which gives, which means you can play has always been when the publicn case has been made for it, and unless there is a ground swell i think -- i don't think she would has been made for it.ase and the risks of doing it are reasonably high.t we havseen tainst the clinton impeachment, the banlash, and that fight hap in this case. >> woodruff: i mean -- >> sure. judy, it is noa matter of

topic of common discussion in the country. it is t at the top of any talk show list. it jusisn't, i mean,. >there isan intensity obviouslye part of some democratican partbut in no way is a majority position in the country or it hasn't changed, its not a drogue position. the bob mueller's testimony came and it went and it left in its wake no vement. i think that is fair to say. >> woodruff: well -- >> plus we are in the cusp of going to iowa. i mean, so there is an election -- >> woodruff: wel let's talk for a moment about president trump, cing off, david, the last week and i think it is fair to say this has been a tumultuous week for th president. his position on trade with china was in one place and another and yet another. we were with hearing something different element every day. you look back on the g-7, againe thing in france last

weekend and it was more characterized by tension that hh had with world leaders y any sense that anythin was getting done. >> yes. that's sort of par for the course for g-7 summi what struck me is how the debate changed arouth donald trump. e has been whispering as is he menlly not as fit as he was, are impairment rise something that seemed to rise and now become public conversation. en he said his father was with born in germany when your father was born. >> the bronx that's t something you normally get wrong. his wife is good trends with the north korean leaders when she never met him there are a lot of things coming out of his mouthis and as always been the case, but the verbal patterns, psychiatrists are not allowed to judge people they haven't met but there are certainly a lot of people out there raising a lot of red flags, to me among the political tumult of the g-7 the psychological tumult is almost one of the key takes away. >>oodruff: do you think weo are in a different place with regard to all of that?

>> i don't know, judy. i think there is a fatigue about donald trump. i think there is, what is he going to do next attitude and then, you know, what ithe capacity, has the outrage the g-7 summit, that hit mea erout it was, i can't get how he continues to denigrate president obama.me , that just is gratuitous and i had explained to me by ane trump,ime trump watcher meeting that they would rather have obama than him,o heve is almost driven to make upou stories president obama, that president obama gave away crimea to putin, that, you know -- just sort of a is bizarre, but thr thingt to me about it is, at least davidson said it better, better we missct

an en than the american people. >> donald trump lies when he doesn't have to. in the meeting of the g-7 and he skipped it, and he said well, the reason i wasn't there is i was meeting with the prime minister of india, most of whom were at the meeting. so it is just -- saying things that are so easily corrected and so easily proved that he is lying, and at some point i would just think the burden of working 0 for someone like that becomes unbearable, just unbearable, he lies to you, as a loyal staffer, he lies to the people he is dealing with. and, you know, at some level in politics your word is the coin of the realm and he just is over drawn on that bank account. >> woodruff: well, i don't want to draw too close a comparison here, but, david, this week there was a attention to joe biden because he has been telling a story about meetings

he had with u.s. american veterans who were fighting in iraq or afghanistan and telling a ry emotional, compelling stories about pin ago medal on them andyou know, how one was, retrieved a buddy from a burning vehicle and another one rappelled down a cliff and so forth but it turns out these are jumped together with, jumbled together with frankly somes. inaccurate pie >> yes. >> woodruff: you know, some are saying this should be connected and compared to the president. otrs are saying, no way. >> i think in no way. i mean, biden may be 18ing and maybe a that's an issue. i think it is a legitimate issue for voters to think abt he is not mendacious, he is not reonsible, he may embellished a story to i don't have the dramatic effects a and may be for getting things. our memories are more fallible than we think. every memory expert will tell you that and when you doing thousands of events things get jumbled in your mind and for some reason we have gotten into

a pattern where the biden gaff is the story so eight good o thinthe campaign, tells one with mistake and that's the story because that's the story we associate with joe biden right now. but it is something for voters to monitor.in i don't embellishing that kind of story is like something that is necessarily a sign that he is over to the hill. >> woodruff: and biden's campaign mark is saying the press is making too much of this. >> yes.gn the biden campught to shutmp up. i mean they really do. the last thing in the world you want with to do as cn is tell the voters what matters. right now it doesn't matter to ters. we went through a campaign in 1980 where t president of the united states running for election got 49 electoral votes and carried x states, jimmy carter ronald reagan a man who said the trees cause more pollution than automobiles. a man who says there w more oil under alaska than there was was in saudi arabia, a man who said that maybe darwinism, youe know, ght to teach creationism as well with but there was no malice with ronalds

reagan, and voaw that.an in 3 said yes he said things that weren'totally factually true but it wasn't men day, tos use davird and it wasn't an attempt, to aggrandize him, all ofonald trump's lies are to put anyone a better light. joe embellishes, joe embroiders and i think it can be a proxyfo age when he starts doing that. and i think they have to be worried about that. but i don't think the two are eicomparable at is pointer morally or politically. >> it is noticeable with voters that people will forgive you for getting the facts wrong if you get your basic narrative right, that basically the america you see is the america voters recognize. >> woodruff: in the meantime we know that biden is going to be and we have a picture of the ten democrats who have made the next debate stage, that means ten others didn't make the debate sge, this was democratic partyules, david, that said you had to have 130,000 people giving you money

and you had to be at two percent in several polls. didn't make cut are saying these rules aren't fair. what do you think? >> i think they are fair. getting to two perce is not like -- it is not like the british invasion of the beatles landing at shea stadium if youge can'22 percent somethi is not working but the point is we are with still five months away from voters voting. >> the reality is at some point the voters can't really entertain 22 people up there, 20 peop ovetwo nights so there has to be 0 a winnowing process this seems to be a to be a pret effective one. >> i thought we set standard as to low. now we can take a look frankly at the people who are plausibly likelyo be nominee and take a look and i think that serves the party and the voters. >> woodruff: what do you think about these debate rules? >> i thi the debate rules are a direct consequence of 2016oc when thetic national committee and party favored hillary clinton over bernie promulgated and thverybody

knew about them going in. we can argue about wther with they are fair or two percent this early is fair. but everybody knew the rules they were playing byo i think in that sense, the party is doing better than it did four years ago. the problem is that some of the more electable democrats in my mind are off the stage, i mean, whether it is senator bennett oo governor bullo-- are not going to be there so their campaigns then have to make than deciwhat do i do, they have to do something dramatic and bold to reassert themselves into the debate.om and that b a problem. >> i wouldn't think it is a death sentence for them, because you look at how much movement in the dumps and now she iswn surgin was up, i am struck how voters are really moving around. >> but i just think the coverage is going to two, is going to go to the ten. >> for sure. >> and. >> woodruff: and the debates

>> , you know, and so you have to do something, if you are senator bennett or senator wuhl lock or to others who are not there to, bullock, the, to breakthrough that coverage 0. >> woodruff: it is pointed out for the october debates thy rules will se same for some who didn't qualify this time may qualify next time. we have left, we are starting to see the shape of the race, i mean, all of the candidates onst e are people, somebody pointed out andrew yang is the only nonpolitician on the stage. >> in at the running a real campaign and warren is the story, slow steady growth based on fundamentals, frankly liked on, frankly based on likabilities. >> 45,000 selfies, so i think her move is right now, is the story of the moment. >> woodruff: we are with going to leave it ere, david brooks, mark shields, thank you both.

>> >> woodruff: finally tonight, walls are alaround us, but how often do we stop and think about what they represent? that's exactly what british sculptor andy goldsworthy is doing at his latest project indo kansas city. jeffrey brown has the story for "canvas," our ongoing series on art and culture. >> brown: as the sun came up on this early morning on the grounds of the nelsoatkins museum of art in kansas city,rk took apart stones from one end of a wall, ped them in small wheelbarrows and carried them a short distance, where they were added to the wall's other end.it 's an unusual project that began last march and will run through november in five stagesa to buiection of wall 100

yards long with 100 tons of rock, and rebuild it secy section over time, essentially creati across the landscape and eventually into the museum itself. its creator,3 year old british artist andy goldsworthy, told me he's always wanted to build a "walking wall." >> i proposed it two or three times. no one got it. "what? you want to 'walk a wall?'" it's a challenge.f: >> woodrot only a challenge, it'a little crazyri in a wayt? you're going to move a wall? >> i think it's really sensible. >> brown: thinking, seeing, even experiencing differently: it's what goldsworthy has been doing for decades. he was first known for creating sculptures in the landscape

using natural materials he came upon, leaves, branches, fallen trees, stones. art, but not the kind for a gallery or home: these were of and remained in place. and they were, by nature, ephemeraer changing, fading,en ally dying through weather and time. yoewere making things that going to disappear. you didn't care? >> no, no i care! i care very much. loss doesn't mean anything if dyou don't care! essentially art for me is a way of trying to understand the world that i'm living in, my relationship wh it and things that change, things that go, even when ey go or how they decay, how they change, as this is changing. >> brown: over time, the scale has grown as his work has been commissioned around e world: nine stacked domes at washington's national gallery, large cairns in several locations, this one near his

home in scotland,ne and ly 3,000 foot long wall that winds its way through g the woods at the storm kt center in new york's hudson valley. in kansas city, the material, ealimestone, came from they flint hills, the ipiration from the local landscape: the stone walls marking boundaries all around the city and surrounding prairie. but the idea here: to make the stone move.st >> it's not the, it's about the movement of stone. >> brown: what does that mean, movement of done? because 't think of stone moving. >> well, that's exactly it. stone as a static thing-- here, for example, we're standing in h place there have been walls come out of the ground rebuilt and built again. w thatt we do. >> brown: structures on top of structures.p >> not just the structures. it's ideas on ideas. >> brown: and the people putting those ideas in action. goldsworthy enlisted a group of locals to augment his own team. all followed the british

tradition of a break for tea. edd ith and jason wilton are experienced craftsmen whose task was to keep e wall moving at a pace of 10-12 yards a day.10 no hammers or machinery and no binding mortar! just stones, fit togethepiece by piece, with big flat ones t level it on the top at four feet high, measured the old-fashioned way. >> we use the age-old method: top ribs. yeah, most of the time it works. if you have short peou get really short walls. >> brown: fife gibson has known goldsworthy since he w child, even carrying stones as an eight-year-old.yo ve come a long way! >> well, a long way distance- wise. i think so. but stl just carrying stones. but still just carrying stones. it's an interesting life, yeah, it's nice. i never thought i'd be building a wall across a four lane busy inad.

>> brown: indeedhase two of the project, the wall crossed-- and blocked for three weeks-- a normally busy street, forcing commuters to f alternate routes there were a few angry shouts, goldsworthy said, but most drivers, runners, and walkers femed to enjoy the change scenery. >> a lot of the people come in " and sa, this is kind of nice." you, but some people on their drive might not be so happy. >> i know, i kno they will get their road back. one man said to me. "we can alwa have traffic. how often can we get wall crossing the road?" >> brown: a bikiof kansas city ness and understanding, which is what's been required of the museum itself. the nelson-atkins is one of the nation's leading art museums -- with an extensive outdoor sculpture collection that includes its now iconic"tl shocks." but director of design steve waterman said it's never faced a challenge like this. >> when you work at a museum you get a lot of things in the mail

or on a delivery truck, and then objects come in crates. you take them out of the crates and you put them on the walls. brown: they're already finished, and it's your job is to show what's alrea done. >> yeah, you've got to make it look good once it gets here. and with andy goldsworthy, i would say it was the absolutesi op of that. i mean, every night i go home and think, i don't know whether to think this is art or this is life! >> brown: a bit of both, no and add to the mix a bit of, politics an age where "building a wall" has a new meaning. >> this work has taken me into uncomfortable territory and that is a great thing for an artist to be put into. it was conceived as an idea pree trump, preall that is hppening now. this, in some wa got nothing to do with that. and everything to do with that. and w it will resolve itself i'm not entirely sure. but it's indelibly written into

the making of this.ng >> brangham: for now, therwere many challenges ahead, including eew to get his wall to squ through a narrow passageway, walk down a staircase, wind its way through park-like grounds, and make its way, finally, into the museum. if all goes to plan, by the end of november a permanent piece of wallill stand half outside and half in. a walking ll, built, taken apart, rebuilt stone by stone. for the pbs newshour, i'my jeffown at the nelson- atkins museum in kansas city, missouri. never seen anything like it. he and his team will be back in kansas city on september 9th to build the next stage of the >> woodruff: goldsworthy and him ill be back in kansas city on september 9th to build the next stage of the "walking wall"

>> woodruff: photographer richard ross has documented the u.s. juvenile justice systemor the better part of a decade. in tonight's "brief but spectacular," ross sres what it feels like to honor theen voices of chilehind bars. his books "juvie talk" and "girls in justice" are available online. >> i went to a juvenile detention center in texas.an i was used to photographing architecture, but, then, all of a sudden, i started talking a couple of kids there that were very fragile, didn't speak any english. and i realized that i was the conduit for their voice.

when i would go into these institutions, i would knock on the door of the cell, i would take off my shoes, i would ask for permsion to come in. d then, i would sit on the floor of the cell.oo i would give that child authority physically above me. and these were usually teenagers, and they were isolated, bored, lonely. and somebody interested in paying attention to them, they... they loved it. these kids all live under the umbrella of trauma, poverty, abuse, neglect, and i'm trying to figure out the world where they get the right resources to help them and they don't go into emthe deeper end of the sy every one of these calldren need meealth services. these are kids without a voice from families without resources, from comnities without power, and that's got to change somehow. getting the imag into the hands of the right people to affect change is the btle that

i do. the senate and house was voting toenew the act that kept children in separate courts. there was an exhibition of my work in the capitol rotunda. and then, when the actual vote was taking place, senators grassley and durban both had copies of my book when thewere voting. i create these images because data, while it's incrediblst important, ein fluorescent erility, yearning for a fragile voice to make itib comprehe on human terms. when you have kids from one zip code that are more likely to go to prison than college, then than they have failed us.ather so, instead of figuring out how to change these kids to fit intt our inions, we he to rearrange our thinking and figure out how our institutions change to fit these kids.es you've seen images.

you have a glimpse of who these kids are. ask yourself, what would you do if this was your kid? my name is richard ross, and spectacular" take on juvenile injustice in america. y >> woodruf can find all episodes in our "brief but spectacular" series on our website at www.pbs.org/newshour. tune in later tonight. isosn storm watch., robe hurricane dorian has raised questions about president trump's adership after the administration re-directs federal money for fema to bolster immigration enforcement. that's later tonight on washington week. and tune into pbs newshour weekend for the latest news as hurricane dorian makes its way to florida. that's tomorrow night on pbs d that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff.

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