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captioning sponsored by ,newshour productioc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff.to on the newshought: the president, the attorney general and the secretary of state are all now at the heart of an impeachment inquiry that questions the uses of power and contacts with foreign leaders. then, one year after the murder, what have we lrned about the mamany claim bears responsibility: saudi arabia's crown prince mohmmad bin salman? plus, as china exports its cutting-edge technology worldwide, critics cry foul over what they see as surveillance with the power to silence dissent. >> ( translated ): they choose chinese companies because china had already developed ays monitoringm that allowed them to have control over theac.
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thank you. >> woodruff: secreta of state mike pompeo has forcefully entered the fray over impeachment. he wrote to the u.s. house foreign affairs committee today, rejecting demands for testimony and documents. in the letter, pompeo accused democrats of trying tortme emplr hed that he will not tolerate such tactics. in turn, democrats insisted onfu compliance.plia they are investigating ether president trump pressured ukraine's leader forhi return for military aid. in de kiev today, ukraine's president again nied he would ever go along with that.th tha >> ( translated ): i would like to say that i do not feel any pressure. inere are many people, bot the west and in ukraine, who would like to have influence on me, bui am president of ukraine, president of an independent country, and i thine
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thatteps i took so far prove that i can not be influenced. t >> woodrufhelp break down these latest developments, d r congressional correspondent, lisa desjardins r white usescorren hello to both of you. another very busy day. yamiche, let me start with you. the democrats charging full speed ahead with this impeachment inquiry. what are you learning about how the administration is preparing and responding? >> mike pompeo's letter is a key part of that. he is saying the democrats are -- he's also saying the state department feel bullied. he says depositioneed to slow down because state department elficials need to have time the find their cound need to know what these depositions will be about. he also says trump administration officials and their lawyers need to included in their depositions
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because te re might be executive privilege issues. we've seen the white house stop a lot of people saying things from things they think ar executive privilege and democrats have said that's not exactly the right way to go about thi angs. o says that he is still going to be intending to comply with th subpoena o at least intending to comply with the subpocna to have duments turned over to congress by friday. so there are some people who art seeis as hard no from secretary pompeo. i was reachiny pot to the state department to say, is this hard no. i haven't got an answer yet. it leads me to think that wecretary pompeo is saying, these are not -re not going about this right, but i am going to provide people and have these depositions ase know there are some sheduled already this month.dr >> wf: lisa, it is a strongly woed letter from the secretary of state. what are democrats doing in respon>>? ell, we've had some developments in just the last hour. i have been told by my sources on the house intelligence committee that o deposition has been delayed now. that's the deposition of the former ukraine ambassador, marie
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yavonovich. she is still currently state department official.ul she's schg herin deposition for next week. the other deposition for this t volkernote was kur the former envoy to ukraine who left the state dpartment last week. he's no longer with the state detertment. that's going ahead as scheduled for thursday. we're seeing both sides i think feeling each other out. but in general, democrats think that this is a sign that the ump station is going toock them every chance they get. they had a strongly worded letter of their dn. three committee chairman involved wrote this, let's show you. they sad, "retary pompeo is now a fact witness in the house was on the phone to beginse he with. he should immediately cease timidating department witnesses in order to protect himself and the president." they go on, "any effort to inti pdate witnesses orrevent them from talking with congress is illegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry. they're saying if tey obstruct that itself could be
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impeachable. >> woodruff: so if teat's th democrats, what about thean republ how are they handling this? >> there is something newin think happwith a new senate offices. while most republican senators are defending the president in general right now, there is a c lack omfort when it comes to the whistleblower and the president's statement yesterday and ov the past few da that he's lookior the whistleblower. we saw it from a key republican day, chuck grassley of iowa. he sent out this statement. look at he wrote, "this person,e whistleblower, appea thto hisave followed the whi assl never named theought to bed president, but he seemed to bebo pushing back a the president and democrats and say, i think this whistleblowers credible. and that's very significant. talking to republicans behind ohe scenes, they're not comfortable withhe's handling the whistleblower. rso, you easy, separately, getting down thad, if we have a senate trial on the impeachment, that could put som blics,se de rebls whar feo
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reelection nt year new york a very uncomfortable position. they are ap,eady reading getting background material, preparing for if they have the take that volt. >> woodruff: so yamiche, that can't make the white hkuse happy that there are some republicans who are hesitanand more abo all this. thw is the white house dealing llam as hi r adomnginisation doing about this ongoing inquiry? >> the white house po ints to the president's poll numbers, first off, and says he still has record high numbers or at least ry repu hblican votgers. they tell me even if the president -- even if there are some republican lawmakers who are criticizing the president or not liking how he talks about the whistleblower, voters areim still with they also say the president is acting within his right. they feel as hoe the president habeen falsely accused and it's rightful that he would t be angry and want to face his accuser. now, federal law is ry clear about this. the whistleblower is supposed to remain anonymous. that person is so supposed to
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not be retaliated against. so what you have there is the white house pushing back buitt also federal law being a very hard line ther so the other thing i want to point out is that rudy giuliani has been a central figure in all of. this he's now hired his own lawyer. i was texting with him tonight. i want to read whe told me. i first asked him, are you going to be complying with the subpoenas issued by houses. democr he wrote back one word, "studying. " i said, "what do youke of all of this?" he said, "they're trying to interfere with his -- president trump'ability -- to defend himself." so you have the president's lawyer lawyering up but also still defending the president. >> i think you're seeing now a document war. very likely house democrats think this is going to lead to a court baad ittonpediacth aen t n house. >> woodruff: all this as democrats say they want to do this as quickly as possible. this may be fighting back. >> woodruff: will courts force the trump administration to produce documents and tj. that's the question. m
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they tried the use if the past,g sometimes successfully, sometimes not. house memocrats have said they're inventing have used some of these privilege issues, but the white house is clear. they think they are on firm legal ground here. >> woodruff: documents and the courts. >> unprecedented. >> woodruff: unprecedented in every way. lisa desjardins, yamiche alcindor, thank you both. >> woodruff: in the day's othera news, march in hong kong erupted into some of the worst violence seen thert.e shot a protester. the unrest came as mainland china marked the 70th anniversary of the communist state. matt frei, of independent o television news, is in hong kong
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and reports on the protests that swept e city. >> the numbers today were huge. it's easy for beijing me any violence rohrist, ary this imore difficult to ordn reetizs enofs tunhe ciaty. but minutes later thin began the kick off. the police had promised to return force with force, and so they did. they made mo than 100 arrests. today marks a grim first.me a policedrew his gun on a prototer because he feared fr the life of a feliclow off. the 18-year-old protester was shot in the chest but suvived.
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ey fought pitched battles, and we were at one of them. gas canisters returned throw from the hong kong headquarters of the peoples liberation army.w they wheeled isupplies,ks bricug up fr the road and a production line of barricades. re the government here, and in beijing. life ihong kong was supposedalln e wealth, not the dtitruction bto of it for thsake of freedom. t today, asia's financial d,rthday vanities. not that they car even aew, at the capital. dancing, cheerin reveling iv.sa ll th tiat>>e wasoodr suff: that repo matt frei of independent television news.tu and we will to the
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momentous events in hong kong and beijing, later in the program. in iraq, violence broke out in baghdad as security forces firec on crowds protesting corruption and a lack of jobs. of protalesfitecirsid ws aving flsp confronted police, who initially fired rubber bullets and tear gas. then, they turned to live ammunition and water cannon. the demonstrators insisted that they won't go away. >> ( translated ): we want the b veic rights; electricity, water, employment, and medicine, nothing else. don't want power or money. all we ask is to live and have a piece of bread to eat, but this government is shooting at the crowd. >> woodruff: the government blamed what it called "a group of rioters." iraq has witnessed a number of similar protests in recent mohs. a new parliament took office in indonesia today, amiests against banning extra-marital sex, penalizing abortions and curbing anti-corruption efforts. streets of jakarta, and police
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fired back with tear gas. the protests began last week over a new criminal code. north korea and the united alates will revive nuclear beginning this weekend. the nouncement today breaks moft fd ua -lntathsstong alem summit between president trump and the north's kim jong-un. north korea jongsie carried out a string of short-range weapons tests. back in this country, a jury in dallas convicted a white former erpolice officer, amber guof murdering a black neighbor in i his own apartment. guyger said she mistook botham jean's apartment for hers,as thoughhen intruder, and opened fire. the courtroom erupted in cheers when the verdict was announced. an attorney for jean's family spoke afterward. >> this is a huge victory-- not only for the family of botham jean, but, as his mother alison told me-- this is a
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victory for black people in it's a signal that the tide is e ing to change here. police officers ing to be held accountable for their actions. >> woodruff: guyger could get up to 99 years in prison, underr texas law. a u.s. justice department watchd is blaming the federal drug enforcement administration opioid crisis.nee to the the inspector l's report today sathhaide.are plt rea.dudf opioids, even as overdose deaths exploded from 2013 to 2017. the finding comes just before a major federal trial of claims ainst the industry. former republican congressman chris collins of new york pled guilty today in an insider trading case, a day after resigning. he appeared in federal court in new york and admitted to conspi and making false prosecutors said that he leaked
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information about a drug company, and then lied to investigators. harvard university has scored a big wiin a legal fight over its admissions process.a federad today that the sch ool does not hold asian american applicants to a higher standard, as a u.s. supremeourt. mewhile, a federal appeals court in washington upheld theso repeal of thalled "net neutrality" rules. but, it allowed states to enact their own standards.re the federalations had omrred internet providers favoring some services over others the federal communications commission scrapped them in 2017. on wall street today, stocks sankn ha o ts.wst ma second straight month.jo the dos industrial average lost 343 points to close at 26,573. the nasdaq fell 90s&oints, and th500 slipped 36.
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yand, former president ji carter turned 95 today, making him the first american president to reach that milestone. mr. carter had hip replacement surgery in may, and survived brain cancer in 2015, but he remains active. happy birthday. still to come on the newshour: thattorney general and the president of australia-- what wm know, and why ters. fears of global surveillance, orhina and, much more. >> woodruff: for all of the focus so far this week on president trump, and the impeachment inquiry into him, there has also been renewedrusob ny of the u.s. justice department. william brangham reports on the new questions being raised today about the nation's t enforcement official.
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when attorney general william. barr began his second stint as attorney general earlier this year, he was seen by m a stabilizing force for the department.ov he ended useeing the tail end of robert mueller's investigation into russia's interference in the last e presidentiction. release of the mueller report, and in subsequent months,th criticse o accused m of acting more like the president's attorney, rather than the country's. now, according to the "washington post," attorney"was general barr has been personally visiting with foreign intelligence officials, to encourage them to help out with an investigation that president trump hopes will discredit the entire russia probe. devlin barrett is one of the hewhst blpo tedwashington devlin, always good the see you on the newshour. thank you. before we get into attorney general barr's role in all of
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this, can you justs emind us s whe abt ouonj.mad.ythis nnecticutneral barr,o u.s. attorney named john durham to start looking into estions of was there any inappropriate conduct by intelligence agenciesspecifically the c.i.a. or the f.bol.i., invng the investigation of trump campaign associates. and this whole notion of the collusion investigation. be answered was: did anyying to intelligence officials of either heof those ageies cross any lines. >> brangham: so this is looking in part at what the president on a nearly basis refers to as the witch hunt. that's what this investigation is in part looking at. >> right it's another review, iw,ternal review of that process, ande remember, re is already the inspector general from the justice department looking a it. there's a lot of frankly people looking over their shoulders and checkingheir work, but this has en m svioarnginunet d come to learn how significant this
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effort has become. ng brangham: in your reporti ih nla how deeply involved attorney general barr is in that vestigation. can you telveus a little bit about what you found? so, for example, last week the attorney general traveled to rome to meet with ita tellenffialanou some of areas of interest in this case and to essentially act as an htroduction to jn durham. we'rtold for some se the meetings, and what folks around the attorney general say isy hes basically trying to make sure that whatever durham wants or needs he canret in ms of cooperation from forcouns. itn maziiuagn, bgh u.s. official asking forgn governments to help investigate u.s. agencies, and that's just a very rare thing. >> brangham: you spoke with in eps orwh rngqu aitiot o l teco o not seem very happy with thisy
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arrangement. can u explain what their complaint, what their beef is with this? >> well, remember, the political backdrop to all of this is that the president keeps accusing the folks involved in ts investigation of crimes and corruption.so mid that public, you know, sort of drumbeat, what you haven forwarn investigation that at least in theory could find buamples of that. cwh urothat a's just nonsense, that nothing untoward happened in this investigation other than intelligence officials trying to figure out what was the extent of the russian interactions with americanand that this is all just sort of in their minds a witch hunt of, y know, professional intelligence officers, and it's unfair. >> brangham: but if durham's investigation is considered legitimate, the cotispiracy theories aside, what really is d.o.j. saying to foreign government, i'd like do u help
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with this d.o.j. investigation? isn't that the defense that the ?.o.j. currently mak >> abs their argument is, look, what's wrong with hutaving a revoliew . what handicapped -- happened to make sure nothing was done inappropriately? what is the possible harm in that i think the gehalln the public discussion in all of this is because of the way barr handled the mueller vestigation, because of the way congress is now fighting heer so iny mahgstha tng,tt there's so little trust between democrs on the ll and the justice department run by barr, and frankly, there is a fair bit distrust en among some of these agencies as they try to sure the other guy is operatings in good faith. so they that is a big part of the concern you hear from concern and fomer officials, and that's a big part of the accusations being lodged against the attorney general right now. >> brangham:tiour rep comes out obviously in this swirl of other news about the impeachment inquiry going on conversation with e president
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of ukraine. to what extent is there a connectionween this backwtard b look at the russia investigation and the cuoing gt estigation into the onpresident's phone call with te ukrainians? so if you remember when they phone call came out and the fideils of the phone call came out, the news really the question of was thecus on president trying to get the ukrainian government to investigate joe biden and his son. that's an important question no doubt, but part of the government response to that was, you know, the u.s. side hasn't this is something the agency itself has done. there was another part ofeh conversation, which is the president also asking the ukraine skr help in re-examining 2016. and there you see actually, in fact, there has been a fairly extensive government effort involving the attorney general and others to go around the world and talk to people and try ao fiurtgxou etl6.ac
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so that part of the conrsation was based in hard reality. and so that's the connection between the whistleblower story that everyone has been chasing and this sort of uner-the-radar frankly investigation couching on all these countries. >> brangham: this under-the-radar investigation, i know it's hard and i appreciate you helping us keep them yes onte and keep our e the ball here, what is the time line? what do we know about when durham's investigation might come out? what dohe ao.j. inspector gen wenourtberw whreigt ht come out? >> so the inspector general report is expected pretty soon, maybe a matter of weeks or a uple of months. e durham investigation is a different merit. first of all, ite far flung. second of all ds u'r mrchoham historically is a very well respected investigator, but he's also someone whoends toake years. so the durham work could take a long time, but we do expecto see that i.g. report pretty thon.
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k ret stinhag ntmo tmeint poins of the public dete, is this , u i asju the b ore sonmche ise inside the investigation that we ha'tno aut barrett, as always, of the "washington post," thank you very much. >> thanks for having me.. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the ng shour: reckonth the epidemic ofim ery of child sex abuse on the internet. plus, the killing and the crown prince. the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi, one year later. as we reported earlier, tensions between police and protesters in icallyong escalated dr overnight, as officers opened fire on a young activist. this all took place as china was celebrating 70 years of communist control. the newshour's nick schifrin recently returned from a
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inpoipg rtt ttr htohaok hong kong. he joins me now to share his perspective. nick, hello and welcome back incr're or a we watgoinoned ngnep song ukongti. ywhatom does ethat add up to? >> well, it adds up to tw completely different stories in a split screen. so let's go over wneat hap in beijing for a second. because for the chinese, this is massive hior the, day. this is 70 years since the creation ofhe people's republic of china. what we saw in beijing was pomp, circumstance, and a real show of strength. naxi jinping under chi has really developed itsal militarya as a great poanwer, ab out the inheritor of empire, and showing off all of this military really helps him prove that.le these are nu missiles. we have never seen them before. nuclear armed gliders. weapons designed to evade u.s. defenses. troops, 160 aircraft, 580 artillery. xi jinping there
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lebrating with the crowd and as i said, this commemorates the founding of the people's republic ochina some this is a communist celebration but very s muhto have arrived on the world stage as great power.at p t >> woodrufwhat extent, though, is that now overshadowed by what's going on in hong kong >> ye completely changed the narrative. as i said, the chinese are so proud of today. they have been working on that for months. an now we are covering hongv kong. when we have a split screen, literally, between the tw things. and so all of the pomp andce circumstan on the left side in lashesg, the protest and c there on the right in hong kong. these arethompletely different ideologies. on the left celebrating one party rule. celebrating how far china has come. on the right, people fighting right saying that the people on the left represent authoritarianism. i talked to a lot of these protest leaders who are protesting there on the right. and they say they created today's protest in order to
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embarrass beijing, in order toha this split screen that you see today. and so what prosters are talking about today is they're the victims of police brutality. we saw this protester shot. what the chinese y is that, look, you guys are creating the you are talking about separating from china. the police are just trying to maintain stability. >> woodruff: so when you see the -- i mean, we know that the government in hong kong has given in to some of the protesrs demands and yet they continue to protest. >> woodruff: this is what's remarkable.co th demand, the withdraw of a bill that would allow the extradition of suspects to china, that was withdra a while ago, and yet we still see these otests. that really goeso the corof what demonstrators are deand, not o iny vestigion, not only the release of some of those who have been arrested over the last few months, the right to directly elect their citl administrators, but also a different kind of identity. when i was in hong kong, when so many reporters had been asking
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these proteers what drives them, they talk about a separate independence, a searate identity that they believe is not mainland china, and whn you ask pollster, they will say that actually for th te rstime since hong kong was dependent, sing hong kong separated from britain, people identify as hong kong residents, not chinese citizens. >> woodruff: so we are in the middle on the newshour of your remarkable series. last night you were looking atno tegy in china. tonight more of that. tell us aboing. >> last night we reported onut o technology has helped the countryri >> sch yeah, last night, we reported on how technology has helped the country make b great stride also sparked alarm over domestic sueillance. spread its technolound theo worl the u.s. believes that is a fundamental threat to d,hydemo wcracy. a so, with the help of the pulitzer center, we begin by examining the chinese telecommunications gia huawei, and its influence, far outside of china.
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♪ ♪ it may look like an apple event in california, but this is germany, and the psentation is for the chinese company huawei. >> we're the first, 5g. >> schifrin: last month, huawei launed the world's first chip with integrated 5g, or 5th generation technology. it will dramatically speed up phones, and is designed to connect everything arounus, a dnsm hamugs oue atofnt cities. flthou ee'althowre oinki w eyour cy.th >> schifrin: huawei chief digital information officer edwin diender shows off what huawei calls, "smart city." closed circuit cameras feed into a database with advanced artificial intelligence, andfa al recognition can identify everyone, cross-reference license plates, and analyzeun mited information. diender calls it the future of policing. >> where, for examplay, teams manually need to look clrough cctv camera footage, with a good vided analytics platform, you can say, "i'm looking for a white guy,dea query, almost like a google search."f cacan sad me this black
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s twiicpahi lrt l or a seven, a w or aut i'm not sure." then the system can look into different camera pnts, for example, and does it for you. >> schifrin: huawei promotional navideos compare the combition of a.i., 5g, and surveillance to how a brain processes information to control the body. the u.s. fears huawei' information isn't secure, because the control is actually the chinese government's. >> to have huawei operating as n 5g networkur country or our allies' countries, we believe represents a fundamental compromise of our national curity, and the privacy of millions of citizens. >> schifrin: it may actually be billions of citizens. huawei and other chinese telecom companies are building 5g and smart cities in more than 65 countries. pbs newshour producers in threet co police, and alarm from human rights advocates, beginning in
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the philippines.>> translated ): there will be no letup in this campaign. >> schifrin: the government of n 'sugs. urned to china for help. in 2016, duterte traveled to beijing to secure chinese t althloe wephilippines to buy e safe city. >> huawei set up safe city jelutions. this p to the country, it's immeasurable. >> schifrin: jonthhan malaya is philippines' department of interior and local government under secretary. >> if we are to ensure the safety and security countrymen, we must use every tool available. sus>> tools beed? the government's opponents thcall the war on drugs anal extra-judimurderous crackdown that's killed tens of thousands, and they say chinese technology could enhance government suppression. >> what a safe cities program is all about, is increased
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electronic and technological surveillance. >> schifrin: francisco ashley acedillo is a former congressman. he says huawei's a front for the chinese government. founde zhengfei en a current member of r the chaninese o.communc.ispae.rty, d former officer of the chinese military. and, international researchers say huawei employees regularly collaborate with analysts from the army, p.l.a. >> if a company which was unded and is still currently run by former p.l.a. officers, a theady is a problem. >> schifrin: huawei insists that private, and independent. and the philippines government >> if you look at the southeast asian region, no country has banned huawei. so why should we be undulyar d? the rest of the world is not. >> schifrin: b critics say netomahises the point, because
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lae ni companies that must collabhiate with these government. chinese law says, "any ndganization or citizen shall support, assist,ooperate according to law." china has no independent ciary for companies to appeal. >> they cannotay no to any request from the chinese government for such kind of intelligence gathering. >> schifrin: we found similar concerns 5,000 miles west, in ethiopia. for more than a decade,n haollarato irochinese officials ethiopian infrastructure, including the ond e inteanrn >> almost $1.6 billion, we have an agreement with huawei, they are implementing the telecomfr tructure. >> schifrin: but that infrastructure provides a agencies, says investigative journalist daniel berhane. way the security agencies cann a data and voice data.internet >> schifrin: berhane is the
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editor of a news site and was ethiopia's first politicalr. blog he accuses multiple ethiopiancc governments of repressioceand surveillbut says chinesete nology has allowed thisrn gont to better target its critics, including journalists. berhane says he too was targeted coby gov werernmenhat cksuedrv. entered my facebook account. huawei was an accomplice in setting up the system in this manner. huawei's doing a business. why would they care about my political rights and my freedom? >> schifrin: that same question was asked by the new government in another country, 8,000 miles further west--ador. ecu-911 coordinates ecuador's emergency responses, and receives a national network of 4,600 surveillance cameras. juan zapata is ecu-911's director. >> ( translated ): videorv llance and technology gives absolute resolog, because
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resting. we have saved lives. >> schifrin: former president rafael correa built ec911 with chinese technologynd chinese government loans. in 2016, he gave chinese he president xi jinping a tour of the center. but the current ntrngoni on mers surveillance wasn't only designed to save lives. it was built with a backdoor to ceths at allinowedll eigcuen-91e surveillo be weaponized against the government's opponents. >> ( translat): the tasks the institution should have exusively focused on were diversified to a different task, a perverse one-- espionage of political opponents, and espionage of citizens they had intentions to hurt. >> schifrin: this is what that espionage looked like. l in this safe neighborhood of the capital, quito, a single camera stands watch, and looks right into a specific living room. retired colonel mao pazmino was a constant critic of the
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form gnment. he says they installed the chinese-produced camera to keep watch. >> ( translated ): they choose cause china had already developed as chcobes iemonitompring sanystem that ald them to have control over the activity of the pola. designed to control everything in society.onpu >> sifn:rihi.s w bs chcongncries a whe house official talking to me called this authoritarianism in a box. auwhat's your response to that? >> what do you want me to say? i think it's also liberation in a box. i think it's also city managementnd being very efficient in daily operations, in a box. >> schifrin: is it being used r surveillance? >> well, what you're looking at is an element of intelligence ogrlondwolide.mmhn tecich isy ae like every technology, it can be used in certain ways. >> schifrin: does that concern you, that some of these countries might be using this--
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>> personally, yes, of course. i'm a person, just l everybody else is a person.ve i ha my own concerns and my own views, and yes, of course, that is a concern. >> schifrin: but the genie's out of the bottle. huawei's been packaging smartg cities andr years. the u.s. is trying to contain huawei's expansion, and is building its own 5g systems. but the u.s. is behind, says another huawei technologyes recipient, indn minister, luhut pandjaitan. >> ( translated ): american technology is very good, you know. but the last five years i thinkh the es i think to some extent, i agree with america about ts policy, the trump policy, you know. but i think it's too late force china to follow all american desire. >> schifrin: senior u.s. stop chinese technology before it changes the world. but china's systf surveillan, facial recognition, and exporting safe
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ciies has already changed the world. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin in shenzhen, china. >> woodruff: there has been a explosion in the num images of sexual abuse against children posted on tbehe ir nent in recent years. investigation by the "rk abatou it tothnierghe t.are chii other youngeers watching, you may want to opt out for the next few minutes. as amna nawaz reports, the amount of content has soared despite efforts to crackown over the last decade. >> nawaz: judy, the numbers are stunning. cording to the "time technology platforms like facebook and google reported some 45 million videos and photos of children being a sexualsed last year-- more than double the number found the previous year. now, the "times" called
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images "horrific portraying children, some as young hrasee or four years old, suffering abuse, in some torture, at the hands of adultsh the report also outlines how law enforcement and others are strcggling to trk and curb the crimes by the perpetrators. donna rice hughes is an advocate for child safety online, and president and c.e.o. of "enough is enough," a non-profit group dedicated to making the internet safer for children and families child sexual abuse andnting predation. done narcotic welcto the newshour. >> thank you for having me. r,>> woodruff: so that num 45 million, help me understand that. tting worse and worse, or are authorities just better at detecting what>> out there? t's a problem that's getting worse and worse and authorities are better at detecting this. but we started to see th beginning of child sex abuse imagesthoming intinternet world at the advent of the internet. in fact, that was a lot of th ofypategale lof the internet,
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adult pornography, as well. >> nawaz: so in other words, this problem has been around for years and years. has it been steadily getting worse, or has there been a recent jump? >> a number of things have hatened i callhe perfect storm, because the internet created the ideal scenario for sexual predators to create new child tosion phy images and to sharew en virtually molest children. now predators can ga fer togethom all ovrld and watch another preere hdator sexually abuse a child inll oth, which is when the social media wo0rld came into being in 2002 and 2004, that change everything, because now you have a platform where anyone can be a
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creator of content. and so that magnified the problem. wamentioned in ths article, the protect act of 2008, and they did a great jobing out a wonderful strategy, and now this article in thw yorkiece, times," is that not all of that has been done. there's been $60 million appropriated, but only half is actually funded each year, and some of that is f being takongm the cyber crimes budget and ing put someplace els >> nawaz: let's break that down to understand these steps. you mentioned it's been around fo there have been a number of steps take on the try to address it. it's in the like authoritis don't know t going on. the are reported cases. >> yes. >> nawaz: so what is supposed happen? when a google or facebook says,t we fouese videos, what is supposed to happen in an ideal scenario then? ually outlinedre supposed to at there supposed to report.
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now, oftentimes they don't have all the data to report, but they've also gotlaten verx. additionally, at the department of justice, they cron, neated a or someone to be the quarterback of a this, but that person was never given the authority or even all the funding to do thi so i am so glad that this aticle came out, because it shows where we have fallen do and what we need to do, but there's even morn ist enough anymore. and now you have the evolutiona nymizingweb, and ano tool. worse. going to ke it even facebook is looking at creating an anonymizing tool so messenger is encrypted. >> you mentioned the funding part. ly$60 million. alf was ever appropriated to go to altethe authorities trying to address this. >> nawaz: so is this purely a funding problem? is it a priority problem? is it a staffing problem? y are authorities so overwhelmed? >> it's all of the above.
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you need funding to staff.untaf you edng to get the technology. and it needs to be a top priority. and so we actually wrote the children's internet safety presidential pledge in both clint and trump got behind that. and we believe tt th tha white house -- >> nawaz: this is before the election. >> both cadates made the protection of children in the digital age a top priority, not just child sex abuse images but from trafficking, also from the pornography problem. you have to go at this like a war with all hands on deck. and you can't just target one piece of this and not te other piece of this. >> nawaz: you also mentioned aal word we ar a lot, which is eastbound -- encryption. where you can have private safe conversations. and that's being exploited by those peopl
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>> there needs to be more accountability, and there is not. i would like the se more oversight with that. the high-tech industry typically avoids any kind of mandate. they want to do everything voluntarily, but they do fall short. they fall short in a lot olie tt your audience would agree with me, that we have to put the protection and the safety and the privacy of some people that might want to encryptheirthe otd es i nber o h ta. world for hosting child pornography web sites. >> nawaz: number two in the world. >> number two. we were number one until a couple years ago according to scene technology,horoure-cors.n which is not protected speech. lhey eh thfuel weth ce ot ahler. agree that more needs to be done to protect children in these circumstances. ere's probably a whole world ef things that need to addressed. if you honve to pinpoin were to things that could be done
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right now, what wothulod >> for ere to be eno funding for everything that ista in the protect act. the appropriation needs to be bigger than $60 million, and we toedve h a president, the u.s. attorneys and the department of justice make this issuas top priority as all the other issues that we talk about on the news just about every night. this needs to be front and center, because this is the innocence of our children. and not just america's chit ld , but childrl over the world. and they can't speak for themsees. they need us. and that's part of the compelling rolntof the governs to protect them. >> woodruff: you want to se olutely. az nn: awhdor c is enough, thank you for being here. >> thank you.
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>> nawaz: if you or someone else yo youow is in immediate danger, call 911. if you are concerned about a child being exploited, or about explicit content being posted, at 1-800-the-lost. oine wi tipt go, ne. or >> woodruff: later tonight on pbs, in the documentary film, crown prince mohammed bin salman addresses for the first time his urnali ast moment, we will hearm "frontli" porter martin smith. but first, a clip from the film. in this scene, smith has tracked bin salman down at a race track, to ask him about khashoggi. >> it was reported that on the ty of the murder, he made a he said ffect, "tell your nll. boss the deed was done."
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>> thebe phone numthat was being called in riyadh was theh crown prince's office. it doesn't get much better than that. if you call the white house situation room, i comtohe te involved. >> last december i talked to prce mohammed at the ractrack. he spoke about his role in the khashoggi murder for the first time. er cama wa ot said, "it happened under my watch. i get all the responsibility, because it happened under my watch. i really take it very seriously. i don't want to telln' you no, i didn't do it or i did do it or whatever. that's just words. i asked how it could hathen t him knobngo atut. i "accidents happen. can you imagine, we have 20
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millioavpeople. s gogle or a governmentempls. ao super computer to watch over 3mput million. they can take one of your planes, i asked?ff "i have ials, ministers to follow things, and they're responsible. they have the authority to do that." but ring it he'sexting you, right, i asked? >> yeah, he texts me every day. >> after cash is killed, the united states ioking back ward, grabbing intercepts that they had picked up over years. khatani back in 2016.n g with >> mohammad aman is expressing frustration and annoyance about khashoggi, saying he's becoming more influential.ince
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that any move against khashoggi was risky and could create an international uproar and mbs scolded khatani for being tooin cautious. >> woodruff: i'm now joined by martin smith to explore what "frontline" unc martin smith, welcome to the news howmple explain why you weren't able to get closee to own prince with a camera. >> well, you know, this enormously opaque country tois n begin with. we were able to -- i was able to stand next to hiat tmh oin s th, but he is tremendously guarded and chooses hw he is going to be portrayed very carefully.dr >> wf: why do you think he explained his role in this as he dd? >> well, i think whal,t he sai s advisers i know have been telling him he should say for a long time, tha that it
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happed on my watch anisd i gett the responsibility for it h. th ben worked out. he used similar language when he did an iterview laer with "60 so he's wantingt this past him. i think he's been frustrated hin ik thhaent i sasw him in 2018 at the g sporting event, this big race, i think he thought that this was going to pass much sooner. n the road, year dow and still thiis something that haunts him. >> woodruff: is it your sense, t rtin smith, having sp much timas you have knowing and interviewing jamal khashoggi and then wos that one day we are going to knowr fh a fact the connection between what happened and t crown prince? >> that's a good que ion. there are people that know what happened. some of those people are on
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trial, although that trial is closed to the public and to reporters. e's a big question about where his closest aide is. if i had one more chance to sit down with the crown prince, i would ask him, where is your aide. they won'tny ges s vethem asi ha senking. and he's not on trial. that's what we know. so he certainly knows what's going on. you knowvi wouldn't gie up on . tais kthf aninything this from the united nations, and i think it is important to remember that this isn't just about jamal khashoggi. there are women in prison for asking for equal rights. there are academics, witers, others that have been rounded up and put in jail, businessmen, as
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well. so jamal khashoggi's murder opened a win deosai-ndon i iad uo us to make sure we look into that and find out just what is going on. this is major u.s. ally. >>oodruff: no question. but i think people probably can't fully understand the kind roadblocks that that government, that they have put up tvent the press from figung anything out hee. >> well, they're not letting a lot of reporters in. it's very difficult to get in and work there. i was fortunate enough to have had a listening association with saudi arabia ad ha gone back many times. i don'think after this documentary airs i'll be getting any invitationings in the mail.t it's aremendously closed trcrown prince itroed. yt ingth to open the country up for foreign investment. he's trying to open it up socially to some degree.
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he doesn't want to grant political rights. that's clear. he is going to have to have a difficulttime continuing to open the country up and preventing journalists from getting in there and asking questions. >> woodruff: and they have a major international business conference coming up very soon that a number of american business leaders are going to be attending. homuch do you think saudi arabia's ability to opeiate in the world, to function as a major power is impaired or affected by this? >> i have tothink it attend financial shconder conference, other one held at the ritz-carlton back in april, and the businessmen there were saong, you know, we dn't really worry about the executions that are ongoing and the imprisonment of activists. we're interested in the unrtrepos itie athat will coeti
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with this upcoming conference. they're going to have a g-20 meeting in riyaext year, at least that's what's schofuled. but al this, opening the country up to businessmen and others i a risky proposition if they're going to continue to clamp down on the abamili of anybody to really see into what they're doing. >> woodruff: martin smith with "frontlineanand againther>> tnk. >> woodruff: "the crown princen watched online at www.pbs.org/frontline. also online-- as we saw millions of young people take to theorld recently, climate change and related natural disasters are a
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