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captioning sponsored bying. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: the president, the attorney general and the secretary of state are all now at the heart of an impeachment inquiry that questions the uses of power and contacts with foreign leaders. then, one year after the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi, what have we learned about the man many claim bea responsibility: saudi arabia's crown prince mohmammad bin salman? plus, as china exports its cutting-edge technology worldwide, criti c foul over what they see as surveillance with the power to silence dissent. >> ( translated ): they choose chinese companies because china had already developed a monitoring system that allowed em to have control over the activity of the population.eir , designed to control everythingth
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mike pompeo has forcefullystate entered the fray over he wrote to the u.s. house foreign affairs committee today, rejecting demands for testimony and documents. in the letter, pompeo accused democrats of trying to "intimidate and bully" state department employees.pa he warned that he will not tolerate such tactics. in turn, democrats insisted on they are investigating whether president trump pressured ukraine's leader for help wh his re-election, in return for military aid. k inv today, ukraine's president again denied he would evero along with that. >> ( translated ): i would likeo to say that ot feel any pressure. there are many people, both in p the west and in ukraine, who y,uld like to have infncelu o independent counnd i think that the steps i took so far
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prove that i can not be influenced. >> woodruff: to help break down these latest developments,r ngressional correspondent, lisa desjardins and our white house correspondent, yamiche alcindor. dallo toh of you. another very bus yamiche, let me start with you. the democrats charging full speed ahead withhis impeachment inquiry. what are you learning out how the administration is preparing and responding? >> mike pompeo's letter is a ket f that.yinghe democrats state department feel bullied. he says depositions need to slow down because state departmt officials need to have time the find their counsel and need to ow what these depositions will lsbe about. hesays trump administration officials and their lawyers need included in their depositions t
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ivilege issues. 've seen the white house stop a lot of people saying things from things think are executive privilege and democrats have said that's not actly the right way to go about things. he also says that he is still going to bintending to comply with the subpoena or at least intending to comply with the subpoena to have documentso turned over to congress by friday. so there are some people who are seeing this as hard no from secretary pompeo. i was reaching out to the state department to say, is this hard no. i haven't got an answer yet. it leads me to think that secretary pomp is saying, these are not -- we're not going about this rightbut i am going to provide people and have these depositions as we know there are some schedul already this month. >> woodruff: lisa, it is a strongly worded letter from the state.ry what are democrats doing in response?ng >> well, we've had some developments in ju. the last ho i have been told by my sources on the house intelligence committee thatne deposition has been delayed now. that's the deposition of the former ukraine ambassador, marie
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yavonovich.ll she is surrently state department official. she's scheduling her deposition for next week. e other deposition for this week of note was kurt volker, the former envoy to ukraine who left the state departmst week. he's no longer with the state department. leat's going ahead as sche for thursday. we're seeing both sides i think feeling each other out. n t in general, democrats thinkr that this is a sat the trump station is going to block them every chance they get. they had a strongly worded tter of their own. three committee chairman involved wrote this, let's show you. " they saicretary pompeo is now a fact witness in the house impeachment inquiry because he was on the phone call to begin with. he should immediately cease intimidating department witnesses in order to protect himself and the president." they go on, "any effort to intimidate witnesses or prentmi them from talking with congress is iegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry. they're saying if theyuct that itself could be
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impeachable. >> woodruff: so if that's the democrats, what abouthe republicans? how are they handling this? >> there is something nei think happening with a new senate offices. while most republin senators are defendinthe president in general right now, there is a lack of comfort when it comes to the whistleblower and the president's statement yesterday and over the past few days tt he's looking for the whistleblower. we saw it from a key republican today, chuck grassley of iowa. roo wnt out this statement hi.s thpe arson, isthe whistleblower, appears to have followed the whistleblower protection laws and ought to be heard out and protected. grassley never named the president, but he seemed to beg pushck at both the president and democrats and say, i think this whistleblower i and that's very significant. the scenes, they're not comfortable with how he's ndling the whistleblower. also, you easy, separately, getting down the road, i have a senate trial on the impeachment, that could put some republicans, those moderate republicans who are up for
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reelecon next year new york a very uncomfortable position. they are already reading up, getting background materia preparing for if they have the take that volt. >> woodruff: so yamiche, that can't make the white house happy that there are some repuicans who are hesitant and more about all this. how is the white house dealing with a this among republicans, and what is the administration doing about this ongoing inquiry? >> the white house points to the president's poll numbers, first h f, and says he still has record hmbers or at least very high numbers amongers republican voters. they tell me even if the president -- even if there are some republican lawmakers whoin are criticthe president or not liking how he talks about the whistleblower, voters are they also say the president is acting within his right. they feel as hoe the president has been falsely accused and it's rightful that he would be angry and want to face his accuse er fnoawaled lveus remain anony a
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so what you have tre is the white house pushing back but also federal law being a very hard line oere. so ter thing i want to point out is that rudy giulianin has been a central fin all of. this he's now hired his own lawyer. i was texting with him tonight. i want to read what he told me. i first asked him, are you going to be complying with t subpoenas issued by house democrats. he wrote back one word, "studying. id, "what do you make of all of this?" he said, "they're trying to interfere with his -- president trump's ability -- to defend himself." so you have the president's lawyer lawyering up but also still defending the president. >> i think you're seeing now a document war. very likely house democrats court battle in addition to ao a potential impeachment battle in the house. >> woodruff: all this as this as quickly as possible. this may be fighting back. >> woodruff: will courts force the trump administration to produce documents and tj. that's the question.
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>> they ght possibly all to say is all executive privilege, and that's something they tried the use if the past, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. house democrats have said they're inventing the way they have used some of these preilege issues, but the wh house is clear.. they think they are on firm legal ground her >>oodruff: documents and t courts. >> unprecedented. >> woodruff: unprecedented in every wa lisa desjardins, yamiche alcindor, thank you both. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, a mass march in hong kong erupted into some of the worst violence seen there yet. ane for the first time, pol shot a protester. the unrest came as mainland china anniversary of the communist state.0thmark 7 the matt fi, of dependent television news, is in hong kong and reports on the protests that
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swept the city. um >> thers today were huge. it's easy for beijing to blame any violence on the hooligansan these so-called terrorist, but this is more difficult to explain. tens of thousands of ordinary hong kong citizens unafraid, gs begng for democracy on thethn an etthe kick off. the police had promised to return force with force, and so they did. they made more than 100 arrests. today marks a grim first. a policemen drew his gun on a protester because he feared for the life of a fellow officer. the 18-year-old protester was shot in the chest but survived.x
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there were socations where they fought pitched battles, and we were atne of them. tear gas canisters returned h throw from theong kong headquarters of the peoplesra lition army. they wheeled in nekssupplies, br dug up from the road andod a tion line of barricades. the resilience and fearlessness of the protestors has stunned the government here, and in in hong konwas suosed ouint the be lifepiration of wealth, not the deson of it for the sake of freedom. but today, asia's financial capital was a battlefield. a bomb-fe at beijing's birthday vanities. not that they cared, or even knew, at the capital. dancing, cering, and reveling by numbers in a parallel universe. the one that still has all the muscle. >> woodruff: that report from matt frei ofndependent television news. and we will return to the momentous events in hong kong and beijing, later in the
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in iraq, violence broke out in baghdad as security forces fired on crowds protesting corruption and a lack of jobs. officials said one person was killed, and some 200 hurt.t. protesters waving flags confronted police, wnitially fired rubber bullets and tear gas. then, they turned to live ammunition and water cannon. they won't go away.nsisted that >> ( translated ): we want the very basic rigs; electricity, ter, employment, and medicine, nothing else. we don't want power or money. all we ask is to live and have a piece of bread to eat, but this government is shooting at the crowd. blamed what it cal groupent of rioters." iraq has witnessed a number of similar protests in recent months. a new parlment took office in trdonesia today, amid protests against banning marital sex, penalizing abortions and curbing anti-cruption efforts. fibackitsth reararmed theetof jo
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t we. over a new criminal code. north korea and the united states will revive nuclear talks beginning this weekend. months-long stalemoday breaks a it began after a failed february summit between predent trump and the north's kim jong-un. north korea has since carried out a string of short-range weapons tests. back in this country, a jury inr police officer, amber guyger, of murdering a black neighbor in his own apartment. guyger said she mistook botham jean's apartment for hers, thought he was an intruder, an ened fire. the courtroom erupted in cheers when the verdict was aounced. an attorney for jean's family spoke afterward. >> this is a huge victory-- not only for the family of, lybotham jean, b his mother viison told me-- this is a
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y it's a signal that the tide is going to change here. police officers are going to be held as arntable for their actions. >> woodruff: guyger could get texas law. d a u.s. justiartment watchdog is blaming the federale opioid crisis. the inspector general's report today said that the d.e.a. shfply reduced its policing opioids, even as overdose deaths exploded from 2013 t2017. the finding comes just before major federal trial of claims against the industry. fo guilty today in an insider trading case, a day after resigning. he appeared in federal court in new york and admitted to conspiracy and making false information about a drug
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company, and then lied to investigators. harvard university has scored a big win in a legal fight over its admissions process. a federal judge in boston ruled today that the school does not hold asian american applicantsri dardth, e asca ase could end upe u.s. supreme court. meanwhile, a federal appeals court in wasngton upheld the repeal of the so-called "net neutrality" rules. but, it allowed states to enact their own standards. the federal regulations had barred internet provider rioms rvfr ove others. the federal communications pe wnaleml street today, stocks sank on news that u.s. manufacturing is down for at second strainth. the dow jones industrial average lost 343 points to close at 26,573. the nasdaq fell 90 points, and the s&p 500 slipped 36. and, former president jimmy
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carter turned 95 today, making him the t americanresident to reach that milestone. mr. carter had hip replacement surgery in may, and survived brain cancer in 2015, but he remains active. happy birthday.e still to c the newshour: rnatthtoey gen a know, and why it matters. fears of global surveillce, as china exports its technology to the world. and, much more. >> woodruff: for all of the t focus so fs week on president trump, and the there has also been renewed scrutiny of the u.s. justice department. william brangham reports on the new questions being raised today about the nation's top law enfoawent official.
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>> brangha that's right, judy. when attorney general william barr began his second stint as year, he was seen by many as a stabilizing force y asthe departnt. he ended up overseeing the tail end of robert mueller's investigation into russia's interference in the last presidential election. but, upon the release of the mueller report, and in subsequent months, critics have lcused him of acting moree the president's attorney, rather than the country's. now, accordi to the "washington post," attorney general barr has been personally visiting with foreign intelligence officials encourage them to help out president trp hopes willat iscredit the entire russia probe. devlin barrett is one of the reporters at the "washington post" who helpedreak this story. devlin, on the newshour.e you thank you. before we get into attorney general barr's role in all of thba, can you just remind us
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is investigation has beenhat is going on since about may whener attorney g barr, who hadn't been in the job that long, appointed a connecticut u.s. attorney named john durham to start looking into questions conduct by intellinappropriate w agencies, specifically the c.i.a. or thf.b.i., involving the investigation of trump campaign aociates. w and thle notion of the collusion investigation. de question that was trying to be answered was:id any intelligence officials of either of those ageiecross any lines. >> brangham: so this is looking in part at what the president on a nearly basis refers to as the witch ht.re that's what this investigation is in part looking at. >> right. it's another review, internal review of that process, and remember, there is already the inspector general from the justice department looking at it. there's a lot of frank people looking over their shoulders and checking their work, but this has been moving around in the background, an we have just come to learn how significant this
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effort has become. >> brangham: in reporting last night, you revealed jus how deeply involved attorney general barr is in that investigation. can you tell us a little bit about what you found? >> that's right. so, for example, last week the atorney general traveled to intelligence officials to talk about some of areas of interest in this case and to essentially act as an introduction to john durham. durham was with him inome s we're told fe of these meetings, and what folks aroundy the attoeneral say is he's basically trying to make sure that whatever durham wants or eds he can get in terms of cooperation from foreign countries. but it's an amazing tuation, right, because you have a senior u.s. official asking foreign governments to help investigate u.s. agencies, and that's just a very rare thing. >> brangham: you spoke with in your reporting a lot of concern and former department of justice officials who quite frankly do not seem very happy with this
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arrangement. can you explain what the complaint, what their beef is with this? >> well, remember, the political backdrop to all of this is thake the presidens accusing the folks involved in this investigatioof crimes and corruption. so amid that public, you know, sort of v)umbeat, what you haveg forward on an instigatn that at least in theory could find examplesf that. but what current and former intelligence officials say is that's just nonsense, that nothing untoward happened in this investigation other than intelligence officials try figure out what was the extent of the russian interactions wit aamericans and that this just sort of in their minds a witch hunt of, you know, professional intelligence officers, and it's unfr. >> brangham: but if durham's investigation is consideredco legitimate, thpiracy theories aside, what really isle the prwith the head of the d.o.j. saying to foreign government, i'd like do you help with this d.o.j. investigation?d
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isn't that tense that the d.o.j. currently makes? >> absolutely. their argument is, look, what's wrong with having a review of what handicapped -- happened to make sure nothing was done inapopriately? what is the possible harm in that? i think the challee in the public discussion in all of this is because of the way barr handled the mueller investigation, because of the s y congress is now fiting coer so many thiat the trump administration is doing, eeere's so little trust be democrats on the hill and the justice department run by barr and frankly, there is a fair bit of distrust en among some ofev these agencies as they try to sort through this that no the is sure the guy is operating in good faith. so they that is a big part of the coern you hear from concern and former officials, and that's a big part of the actions being lodged against the attorney general right now. >> brangham: your reporting comes out obviously in this irl of other news about the impeachment inquiry going on into the president's conversation with the president
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of ukraine. to what extent is there ant i connection between this backward look at the russia investigation and the current ongoingto investigation he president's phone call with the ukrainians? are they not? thct on>> theney are,r but iedn an . so if you remember when the phone call came out and the first details of the pho call came out, the news really focused on, rightly, focused ono the questiwas the eresident trying to get ukrainian government to vestate joe biden and his ubt, but part of the government response to that was, you know, the u.s. side hasn't really pursued that.no this isomething the agencys itself has done. there was other part of the conversation, which is the president also asking the ukraine for help in re-examining and you see actually, in 2016. fact, there has been a fairly extensive gornment elvffinortthl and others to go around the world and talk to people and try to figure out exactly what was done in 20.
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so that part of the conversation was based in hard reality. and so that's the connection t between the whistleblower story that everyone has been chasing and this sort of under-the-rada. >> brangham: this under-the-radar investigation, i know it's hard and i appreciate you helping us keep them separate and keep our eyes on the ball here, what is the time line? what do we know about when durham's investigameon might ut? the do we know about wh d.o.j. inspector general's report might come ou >> so ecinthge nerer port iras expected prettyr maybe a maf weekor le mocodif ff.er oent merit. first of all, it's much more far aung. second of all durham historically ia very well respected investigator, but he's also s years.ho tends to take so the durham work could take a long time, but we doxpect to see that i.g. report pretty soon. i think at that point it will bi eresting moment in terms
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of the public debate, is this theories, or is thsopiracy inside the investigation that we ha kno'twnut a.bo barrett, as always, of the "washington post," thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. coming up on the newshour: reckoninwith the epidemic of imagery of child sex abuse on the internet. plus, the killing and the crown prince. the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi, one year late as we reported earlier, tensions between police and protesters in hong kong escalated dramaticly overnight, as officers opened fire on a young activist. celebrating 70 years of communist control. the newsur's nick schifrin recently returned from reporting trip that took him
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to both mainland china and hong kong.no he joins mto share his nick, hello and welcome back. ctcredible reporting some you're ivpe e.seeing as we are what's goingn in hong kong. what does that a up to? >> well, it adds up to two complete a split screen.s in so let's go over what happened in beijing for a second. because for the chinese, this is massive his or the, day. thiss 70 years since the creation of the people's republic of china. what wsaw in beijing was pomp, really developed its militarw of the fastest military modernization in world history, and xi jinping talks about china as great power, about the inheritor of empire, and showing off all of this military really helps him prove that. these are nuclear missiles. we havnever seen them before. nuclear armed glider weapons designed to evade u.s. defenses. 15,000 troops, 1 artillery. that's xi jinping there celebrating with the crowd.
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and as i said, this commemorates the founding of the people's republic of china some this is i communist celebration but very much to show that he and china have arrived on the world stage as great power. >> woodruff: to what extent, though, is that now overshadowed by what's going on in hong kong? eateasmp it shaailyd,le the c o proud of today. ey have been working othat kong.ont.hs when we haveli split screen, terally, between things.wo t t and so all of the pomp and circumstance on the side in beijing, the protest and clashes there on the right in hong kong. these are completely different ideologies. on the left celebrating one party rule. celebrating how far china ha come. on the right, people fighting for democracy and people on the lee ngt hayith tpet othe left represent authoritarianism.lk i taed to a lot of these protest leaders who are protesting there on the right. s and they they ted today's protest in order to embarrass beijing, in order to
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have this split screen that you see today. and so what protesters are talking about today is they're the victims of police brutality. we saw this protester shot. what the chinese say is that, look, you guys are creating the violence. you are talking about separating from china. the police are just trying to maintain stability. >> woodruff: so when you seef: s the -- i mean, we know that thee gove in hong kong has given in to some of the yablecoers demands and yet the prthe incore demand, the withdrf a bill that would allow the extradition of suspects to china, that was withdrawn a while ago, and yet we still sees protests. that really goes to the core of what demonstrators are demand,no only an independent police investigation, not only thee rele some of those who have been arrested over the last few months, the right to directly elect their city administrators, but also a kfferent kind of identity. when i was in hog, when so many reporters had been asking
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these protadters what drives they talk about a separa independence, a separate identity that they bels not mainland china, and when you ask pollster, they will say that actually for the first time since hong kong sis independent, hong kong separated fromid britain, peopltify as hong kong residents, not chinese citizens. >> woodruff: so we are in the middle on thnewshour of your remarkable serie last night you were looking at technology in china. tonight more of that.wh tell us abou's coming. >> last night we reported on how technology has helped the country >> schifrin: yeah, last night, we reported on how technologyed has hehe country makelped t great strides, but also sparked alarm over domestic surveillance.to ght, china's efforts to spread its technology around the world, and why the u.s. believes that is a fundamentathreat to democracy. so, with the help of the pulitzer center, we begin by examining the chinese ing communications giant huawei, and its influence, far outside of china. ♪ ♪ it may look like an apple event
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in california, but this is germany, and the presentation is for the chinese company huawei.n >> we're the first, 5g. >> schifrin: last month, huawei launched the world's first chip with integrated 5g, or 5th generation technology. it will dramatically speed up phones, and is designed to coect everything around us, transmit huge amounts of data instantly, and transform entire >> we're now walkithe floor that touches everything in your city. >> schifrin: huawei chiefl infor edwin diender shows off what ei cal ity."sdimart c closed circuit cameras feed into a database with advanced artificial intelligence, and ognition can identify everyone, cross-reference cieccens re plat, and analyzefa limited information. diender calls it the future of poling.he >>, for example, today, teams manually need to look through cctv cage, with a good video cloudotfoamer analytics platform, you can say, "i'm lookingor a white guy, blue jeans, red t-shirt." you can ve an order query, almost like a google search. i can say "find me this black car with this particular license
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orevena an b oi m icnof suanreh k thins it i then the system can look int different camera points, for example, and does it for you.s t >> schifrin: huawei promotional videos compare the cbination of a., 5g, and surveillance to the u.s. fears huawei'stotrhey. because the control is actually thchinese government's. >> to have huawei operating as a 5g network, in our country or our allies' countries, we believe represents a fundamental compromise of our national security, and the privacy ofio mi of citins. >> schifrin: it may actually be billions of citizens. huawei and other chinese telecom companies are building 5g and smart cities in more than 65 countries.du pbs newshour prs in three continents heard praise from poli, and alarm from human rights advocates, beginning in e philippines.
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>> ( translated ): the will be no letup in this campaign. >> schifrin: the government of president rodrigo duterte is waging what it calls a war on drugs. urned to china for help. in 2016, duterte traveled to government loans that allowe the philippines to buy a chise safe city. >> huawei set up safe city solutions.he >> in terms ofenefit of this project to the countr it's immeasurable. >> schifrin: jonathan mala is the philippines' department of interior and local government under secretary. >> if we are to ensure safety and security of our countrymenwe must use every tool available. >> schifrin: but how are those tools being used? the government's opponents call the war on drugs an extra-judicial, murderous crackdown that's killed tens of thousands, and they saygy chinese technold enhance government suppression. >> what a safe cities program is all about, is increased electronic and technological surveillance.
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>> schifrin: francisco ashley acedillo is a former s ngressman. he says huawei's fro aheo.or rni is a current member of the chinese communist party, andfo er officer of the chinese military. nay tihuonawalei r eesealorcyehy collaborate with analysts from the army, or p.l.a. >> if a company which was run by former p.l.icers,rently that already is a proble >> schifrin: huawei insists that it's private, and independent.e and ilippines government points to huawei's success. banned huawei. country has so why should we be unduly alarmed? the rest of the worlot.the >> schifn: but critics say that misses the point, because manila's safe ty could hand
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over unlimited data to chinese companies that must collaborate with the chinese government. chinese law says, "any organization or citizen sh support, assist, and cooperate with state intelligence work according to law." china has no independent judiciary for companies appeal. >> they cannot say no to any request from the chinese government for such kind of intelligence gathering. >> schifrin: we found similar concerns 5,000 miles west, in ethiopia. for more than a decadehi ian and chinese officials have collaborated to improve ethiopian infrastructure, including the phonckand internet ne for state-owned ethio telecom. >> almost $1.6 billion, we have an agreent with huawei, they are implementing the telecom infrastructure. >> schifrin: but that>> infrastructure provides a esckdoor for intelligence agencies, says igative journalist daniel berhane. >> they designed the system in a e thwaty parallel access the internet data and voice da. >> schifrin: berhane is the editor of a news site and was
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ethiopia's first political blogger. he accuses multiple ethiopiangod technology has allhiss chinese government to better target its critics, including journalists. berhane says he too was taeneted by goversurveillance, and his accounts were hacked. entered ed faceboount.t code and huawei was an accomplice in setting up the system in this .rnn huawei's doing a business. why would they care about my political rights and my freedom? >> schifrin: that same question was asked by the new government in another country, 8,000 miles further west-- ecuad ecu-911 coordinates ecuador's emergency responses, and cu4, ees a national network of ll0 1160's director. >> ( translated ): video surveillan and technology gives absolute results, because they're our eyes without resting.
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me have saved lives. >> schifrin: fpresident rafael correa built ecu-911 with chinese technology and chineseve ment loans. in 2016, he gave chinese president xi jinping a tour the center. but the current government of nin surveillance wasn't only designed to save lives. it was built with a backdoor to ecuador's inlligence agency that allowed ecu-911 surveillance to be weaponized against the governmente opponents. >> ( transl institution should have exclusively focused on were diversified to a different task, a perverse one-- espionage of political opponents, espionage of citizens they had intentions to hurt.rtesonage lo. in this safe neighborhood of the capital, quito, a single camera stands watch, and looks right into a specific living room. retired colonel mario pazmino was a constant critic of the former government.
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he says they installed thee- chinesproduced camera to keep watch. >> ( translated ): they choose n chinese cos because china had already developed a monitoring system that allowed them to have controlthe activity of the population. their gift is a trojan horse,co designed to ntrol everything in society. >> schifrin: which brings us back to shenzhen, and the core of the u.s.'s concerns: a white house official talking to me called this authoritarianism in a box. what's your response to doat? >> what you want me to say? i think it's also liberation in box. i think it's also city management and being very efficient in daily operations, in a box. for surveillance?eibeing used >> well, what you're looking ats n element of intelligence video surveillance, which is commonechnology available n ways.tai chifrin: does that concern you, that me of these , untries might be using this-- >> personally, y course.
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i'm a person, just like everybody else is a person. i have my own concerns and my own views, and yes, of course, that is a concern. >> schifrin: but the genie's out of the bottle. huawei's been packaging smart cities and 5g for years. the u.s. is trying to ntain huawei's expansion, and is building its own 5g systems. but the u.s. is behind, says another huawei technoly recipient, indonesian minister, luhut pandjaitan. >> ( translated ): american technology is very good, you know. but the last five years i think the chinese technologyuch better. i think to some extent, i agree with america about this policy, the trump policy, you know. but i think it's too late to force china to follow all american desire.>> schifrin: se. officials say they're trying to stop chinese technology before it changes the world. surveillance, faci of recognition, and exporting safe
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cities has already changed the world. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin in shenzhen, china. >> woodruff: there has been aos exn in the number of images of sexual abuse against children posted on the internet in recent years. it is the focus of an investigation by the "new york times" that we are going to talk abt tonight. but, we want to warn viewers, that if there are children or other younger viewers watching, yomay want to opt out for the nextew minutes. as amna nawaz reports, the amount of content has soared despite efforts to crack down over the last decade. >> nawaz: judy, the numbers are stunng. according to the "times," technology platforms like facebook and google reported some 45 million videos and photos of children being sexually abused last year-- more than double the number found the previous year.w, he "times" called the images "horrific," portraying
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children, some as young as three or four years oluffering aluse, in some cases, phys torture, at the hands of adults. the report also outlines how w enforcement and others are struggling to track and curb the crimes by the perpetratoug. donna rices is an advocate for child safety online, ande, . president and of "enough is enough," a non-profit group dedicated to making the internet safer for children and families, particularly by confronting child sexual abuse and predation. ne narcotic welcome to t newshour. >> thank you for having me. >> woodruff: so that number, 45 million, help me understand that. is that a problem that's been gettinworse and worse, or are authorities just better at detecting what's out there? ct it's a problem that's getting worse and worse and authories are better at detecting this. but we started to see the beginning of child sex abuse images coming into the internet world at the advent of t internet. t in fact, that was a lot of the earldriver of the internet,
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that type of content and illegal adult pornogray, as well. >> nawaz: so in her words, this problem has been around f years and years. has it been steadily getting worse, or has there been a recent jp? >> a number of things have happened. i call it the perfect storm, because the internet created the ideal scenario for sexual predators to create new childage ally eaa pophograim share how to avoid law enforcement detection and to virtually molest children. now predators can gather together from all over the world and watch another predator sexually abuse a child in real-time virtually. so all of these things that happenand then in web 2.0, ich is when the social media world me into being 00in2 and 2004, that changed everythi, because now you have creator of content.yone can be a
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and so that magnified the problem. including one of the ones that was mentioned in this article,ac the protecof 2008, and they did a great job laying out a wondful strategy, and now what we know from this, this article in the "new york time" is that not all of tha has been done. there's been $60 million appropriated, but only half is actually funded each year, and some of that is being taken froe the crimes budget and being put someplace else. >> nawaz: let's break thatnd down to undershese steps. you mentioned it's been around for years. there have been a number ota step on the try to address it. it's in the like authorities don't know this is going on. these are reported cas y. . >> nawaz: so what is supposed to happen? wesupposed to happen in an ideal scenario then? >> well, they're supposed to report it right away. and that law actually outlined what they're supposed to report,
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ftentimes they don't have all the data to report, but they've also gotten very lax.ey additionally, at the department of justice, they created a position, a wonderful position for someone to be the teark qu authority or even alhe funding to do this. so i am so glad that this article came out, because it shows where we have fallen down and what we need to do, but there's evenore. $60 million isn't enough anymore. and now you have the evolutihe ofark web, and anonymizing tool. that's going to make it even worse. facebook is looking at creating an anonymizing tool so messenger is encrypted. >> you mentioned the fundingly o priated to go to all theuthorities trying to address this. >> right. >> nawaz: so is this purely a fundso iproblem? is it a priority problem? is it a staffing problem? why are authorities so overwhelmed? >> it's all of the above.
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you need funding to staff. you need funding to get the technology. and it needs to be a toppr rity. and so we actually wrote the children's internet safety presidential pledge in both clint and ump got behind that. and we believe that the white house -- >> nawaz: this is before the election. >> both candidates made the protection of children in the digital age a top priority, not just child sex abuse images but from trafficking, also from the pornography problem. you have to go at this like aan war with all on deck.r and you can't just target one e of thi pi az: you also mentioned a word we hear a lot, which is eastbound -- encryption. a lot of social media companies offer encryption as a yofe space whercan have private conversations.th an's being exploited by those people
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>> there needs to be more accountability, and there is not. i would like the see more oversight with that. the high-tech industry typically avoids any kind of a mandate. they want to do everything voluntarily, but they do fall arort. they fall short in a lot of areas. i believe and i believe that your audience would agree withme that we have to put the protection and the safety and the innocence of children over the privacy of some people that might want to encrypt theirnt t data. the other thing is the united states is number twon the world for hosting child rnography web sites. >> nawaz: number two in the world. >> number two. we were number one until a couple years ago according to the internet watch foundation. at's absolutely horrendous. we're number one as faas hard-core, on scene technology, which is not protected speech.ey ach fuel the other. we he to say enough is enough. >> nawaz: i think we can all agree that more needs to be done these circumstances. there's probabtoly a wn ho ple d of things that need to be if you have to pinpoint one were
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ght now, what woose be? done >> for there tbe enough funding for everything that isct in the proct. the appropriation needs to be haed to have the governors, the president, the u.s. attorneys and the departme of justice make this issue as top priority as all the other issues that we talk about on the news justy about evght. this needs to be front and center, because this is the innocence of our children. and not just america's children, but children all over the world. and they can't speak for themselves. they need us. and that's part of the compelling role of the m.vernment is to protect t >> woodruff: you want to see more from your leaders? >> absolutel >> nawaz: don christensen, president and c.e. of enough is enough, thank y for being here. >> thank you. >> nawaz: if you or someone else
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you know is in immediate danger, call 911. if you are concerned about a child being exploited, or about explicit content being posted, call the national center f missing and exploited children at 1-800-the-lost. or, go online with a tip at cybertipline.org. >> woodruff: later tonight on pbs, "frontline" presents "the crown prince of saudi arabia." in the documentary film, crown prince mohammed bin salman m addresses for the first time his stle in the murder of journa jamal khashoggi. in a moment, we will hear from "frontline" reporter martin buith. ct,fifrli ap bin salman down at a race track, to ask him about khashoggi.t wae day of the murder, he made a>> i call. boss the deed was "tell your
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>> the phone number that was being called in riyadhas the crown ince's office. it doesn't get much better than that. if you call the white house situation room, i come to the conclusion the white house is involved >> last december i talketo racetrack.trd at the he spoke about his role in thegg khasmurder for the first time. my camera was outside, but he said, "it happened under my watch. because it happened unr watch. i really te it very seriously. i don't want to tell you no, i didn't do it or i did do it or that's just words. i asked how it could happen "accidents happen.can you imagi0
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million people. we h employees.n government am not google or a sao super computer to watch over 3 million. they can takanone of your , i asked? "i have officials, minis to follow things, and they're they have the authority to do that." but during it he's texting you, righ i asked? >> yeah, he text every day. >> after cash is killed, the united states intelligence community starts looking back ward, grabbing intercepts that they had picked up over years. and they find mbs chatting with khatani back in 2016. >> mohammad bin slaman is annoyance about khi,on and saying he's becoming more
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at any move against khashoggi was risky and could create an olkhati beintouproar and mbs utious. >> woodruff: i'm now joined by martin smith to explore what "frone" uncovered. martin smith, welcome to the news howmple explain w weren't able to get closer to the crown prince with a camera. >> well, you know, this is an enormously opaque country to begin with. t we were ab i was able to stand next to him on the rooftot his event that took place, but he is tremendously guarded and chooses how he is going to v be portrayy carefully.tr ol woodruff: why do you think he explained hisin this as he did? >> well, i think what he said has been something that his advisers i know have been telling him he suld say for a happened on my watch and i get
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the responsibility for it. that had been worked out. he used similar language when he did an interview later with "60 minutes." so he's wanting to get this past him. i think he's been frustrated that it hasn't passed. i think when i saw him in december of 2018 at the big sporting event, this big race, i think he thought that this was going to pass much sooner. now we're a year down the road,t anl this is something that ha >> woodruff: is it your sense, martin smith, having spent as much time as you have knowing and interviewing jamal khashoggi and then working on this that one day we are going to know fot nfact the connection betw what happened and the crown prince?a >> that'od question. there are people that know what happened.so of those people are on
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trial,lthough that trial is closed to the publ and to reporters. there's a big question aboutos if i had one more ance to sit down with the crown prince, i would ask him, where is your aide. they won't say. nyt i mathem asasking. and he's not on trial. that's what we know. so he certnly knows what's going on. you know, i wouldn't give up on this. i think that if anything this de lesseorot atee mnntatio from the united nations, and i think it is impos,ant to remember that this isn't just about jamal khashoggi. there are women in prison for asking for equal rights. there are academics, writers, others that have been rounded up and put in jail, businessmen, as well. so jamal khashoggi's murder w
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opened deon saudi -- window on saudi arabia, and it's up to us to make sure we look intthat and find out just what is going on.this is major u.s. ally. >> woodruff: no question. but i think peoplefurobably can'y understand the kind of roadblocks that that government, that they have put up to prevent the press from figuring anything out here. >> well, they're not letting a loof reporters in. it's vy difficult to get in and work there. i was fortunate enough thave had a listening association with saudi arabia and had gone back thny times.ink after this n'docui mentardoy rs i'll be geg any invitationingsn the mail. but the crn prince is trying to open the country up for foign investment. he's trying to open it up socially to some degree.
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he doesn't want to grant political rights. that's clear. he is going to have to have a diffict time continuing to open the country up and preventing journalists from getting in there and asking questis. >> woodruff: and they have a major international businesser coce coming up very soon that a number of american business leaders are going to be attending.o how muchu think saudi arabia's ability to operate in the world, to function as a major power is impaired or affected by this? >> i have to think it's fairly serious, although i dind financial shconder conference, another one held at the rid-carlton back in april, the businessmen there were really worry about the executions that are ongoing and the imprisonment of activists. we're interested in the opportunities that are here, and
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i suppose that will continuei su with this upcoming conference. they're going to have a g-20me iniyin rne country up to busin andg the others is a risky proposition if theye going to continue to clamp down on e ability of anybody to really see into what >> woodruff: martin smith with "frontline" and again another extraordinary documentary, "the crown prince of saudi arabia." martin, thank you very much. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: "the crown prince of saudi arabia" will air tonight on pbsand can be watched online at www.pbs.org/frontline.e- also onlas we saw millions of young people take to the streets around the world recently, climate change andfore children. we have ideas for how to talk to
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children both about their fears, and what they can do.on that iur website, www.s.org/newshour.i'judy woodr. join us online, and again right here tomorrow evening. for all of uat the s newshour, thank you, and we'll see you soonor >> majunding for the pbs newshour has been providedy: >> bnsf railway. >> consumer cellular. >> t ford foundation. ing with visionaries on the frontlines of social change worldwide. >> carnegie corporation of new york. supporting innovations in education,emocratic engagement, and the advancement of international peace and security. at carnegie.org. >> and with thongoing support of these institutions and individuals.
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>> ready? set. cook! you've heard af people havihotographic memory where they can recall a moment and every detail about it. sometimes i think i have that with food. i don't know why, but i can remember exactly where i was, thysmells, the tastes, ever little delicious detail about certain meals that have left a lasting impression on me. how wild is that? today i thought it would be fun to recreate a few ofe cipes from my favorite food memories. cheesy chicken enchiladas in a creamy salsa verde, one of my childhood favorites. light, cri a little sweet., frosted cereal cookies, a recipe handed down from my husband's grandmoer.