♪ i'm judy woodruff.. as the leader of the islamic state is killed by u.s. forces, what ithe means for t group's future and america'sole in the region. then, one on one. a conversation with vice president mike pence on what happens now and the fight against isis and the impeachment inquiry into president trump. >> i don't take it as a foregone conclusion that the house will vote to impeach president donald trump. judy: and california burning, as wildfires rage across the golden state, thousands evacuate while others struggle to deal with forced power shutdowns.

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group isead. what that means crisis is still a question tonight. abu bakr al-baghdadi died over the weekend in a u.s. special forces raid in northwest syria. officials say today his remains were buried at sea. correspondent nick schifrin takes it from there. reporter: today, all that'left of the house where abu bakr al-baghdadi hid is pulverized stone. u.s. military jets destroyed the compound late saturday night after special operations forces attacked and baghdadi himself up. today, u.s. officials revealed new details. he was protected by an al qaeda offsnsot and had ted through the area oftennc u.s. intellitrack him down with the help of syrian kurds. for fivee years, u.s. has been working wit those kurds to fight isis. earlier this month, president trump ordered the u.s. to withdrawnd then said u.s. troops would stay to protect syria and oil fields.

moving forward, u.s. soldiers will provide the production and continue ash protection and continue the five-year-old strategy asef these secretary said today at the pentagon. >> our mission is the same as when we began operations in 2014, to enable the enduring defeat of isis. repositioning is intended to give the president options. reporter: as part of the mission, u.s. officialsir cod u.s. troops killed the spokesman, consider the groups number two behind big daddyba --ab al-baghdadi. he was one of the most successful terrorists in history , self declaring a caliphate across syria and iraq. tens of thousands of his soldiers took control of territory thatk at its pas as large as england. they spread brutality across the region. >> living in theest, i know w you feel. reporter: it created an

unprecedented media campaign that attract thousands of westerners. his most famous speech took place in the mosque in most will, iraq. today, the mosque is back, a relic of the u.s. campaign, and a reminder of the cmallenge that s. >> he's dead. he's dead as a doornail. reporter: today in chicago, president trump praised the surge -- soldiers and said that the area is secure. >> we have now tens of thousands of isis prisoners under tight supervision. now we want the countries in the region to police their own borders. reporter: u.s. troops wila remain in syd even the pentagon admits isis remains a threat to both syria and iraq. for the pbs "newshour", i am nick schifrin. stephanie: we will dig deeper into all of this after the news

summary. tonight, firefighters in california out in fullorce. a major fire in sonoma county's wine country has doubled in size. 200,000 people in the area have been ordered out, but se coastaommunities are being allowed to return home. cruise in los angeles are battling flames and a 600 acre fire that consumed several homes. the fire shut down a mor freeway and caused 10,002 evacuate. a spokesperson saidrews had not contain the blaze. >> folks are going to be out of their homes for a while. it is a convenience -- inconvenience but it is a necessity. stephanie: millions ostresidents arting to see power restored, but pg&e said more than 600,000 customers in the northern part of the state will lose power again tomorrow due to shutdowns. california' utilitarian -- utility regulator says they are opening an investation into pg&e's outages.

despite by theto ss, pg&e said its electrical wires may have sparked two fires in the bay area over the weekend. we will take a closer look at the impacts, frequent power shutdowns are having in the state later in the show. will vote this week to formalize the impeachment inquiry and procedures for open hearings. that came from speaker nancy pelosi in a letter to fellow democrats. meanwhile, former national security official charles cooper meant has refused to testify until a federal judge said he has to that sparked send jousting -- new partisan jousting. >> there will be a new, powerful case against the president for obstruction, an article of impeachment based on obstruction. >> when you get direct evidence this president is not only innocent but certainly has not done anything impeachable, than it's time we bring this charade to a close.

stephanie: the u.s. justice department appealed a judge order to let impeachment investigators see the full mueller report. president trummade his first official visit to chicago today and called the city nation."ssing to us as a he said that police superintendent eddie johnson let this city become a haven for criminals. johnson shot back that the president ignored a don le digit dropolence over thpast three years. overseas, at least for more people killed and nearly 160 wounded in protest against corruption and economic distress. more than 70 have died since friday crowds in baghdad ran from security forces firing tear gas. several were killed one more in kabbalah. university students joined in another city demanding the government resigned. >> this ia message to the politicians. they should have an idea

stronger than the former regime. we would like to ask them, what is their idea? is it malicious? is it to steal the country's money? we: them to step down. stephanie: later, authorities called a curfew. lebanon saw a 12th day of demonstrations targeting potical elites accused of corruption. demonstratoryicontinued ra. many are camped out and sleeping on roadss protest blocked with barricades bearing the flag of the nation. they insist they will continue demonstrations until that government steps down. after five months of antigovernment protests, hong kong has plunged into a recession. the fianncial secretary nounced today. new clashes broke out when demonstrators again confronted police sunday. police used tear gas and rubber bullets. the european union agree btoday to deltain's exit for another three months to january isthe decion came three days inbefore the initial deadl of

october 31. not everyone wanted the delay including prime minister boris johnson. he called for an early election to break the brexit deadlock. >> were -- without that hard stop of an election, without the moment of proof, the electric will, i'm afraid, have a sense that we are all like charlie brown endlessly running up to kick theall, only to have parliament take it away, whisk that ball away. stephanie: johnson lost that vote but said he will try again later this week. back in this country, oregon congressman greg walden is now the 21st house announce he is retiring at the term. his said today he wants to pursue new opportunities. walden haserved in congress for 20 years. aeshmen congresswoman katie hill is resignid allegations of an affair with a male staffer, and act barred by house rules. she denied those claims, but

iknowledges anppropriate relationship with a female campaign aide. ohformer congressmanconyers died sunday two years after being forced from oice. he represented his detroit distri for more than 50 yearsed and heound the congressional black caucus.he resigned in 2017 amid sexual harassment accusations, which he denied. john conyers was 90 years old. stilto come with judy woodruff, a conversation with vice president pce on the u.s. role in syria and the impeachment inquiry into president trump. what the death of the leader of e islamic state means for the future of the terror organization. the wildfires in the wesva californiansate as the power is cut. plus, amy walter and tamra keith on the political effects of the president's announcement of the death of al-baghdadi. announcer: this is the pbs "newshour" from w eta studios in

washington and in the west from the walter cronkite's school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: from the raid this weekend that ended with the death of the top leader of isis to the planned withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria, vice president mike pence hasceeen at ther of u.s. policy in the region. he and secretary of ste mike pompeo met over a week ago with turkish presidentrdan, and afterwards announced a temporary cease-fire in sia. then the vice president was next retodent trump watching as u.s. special forces tracked down al-baghdadi. wethat is wher began when i sat down with vice president pence at white house earlier today. we spoke before the house democrats announced plans to vote thursday to formalize their impeachment inquiry. mr. dece pre, thank you for talking with us. vice pres. pence: good to see you. judy: s let mrt with the news this weekend.

there has been praise from all cornerof the u.s. luke perry, the-- president military, the president, since he announced a successful raid in sia, killing the leader of isis. my question is this. does this mean the threat from isis and the ideology it represents is now lessened? vice pres. pence: we believe it does. but let meegin by saying, as theorld learned sunday morning, this weekend was a great weekendor america. the most wanted man in the world is dead. it is a tribute to the courage and professionalism ofl our spec forces, the armed forces intelligence services. let me also say it's a tribute to the decisive leadership of our commander-in-chief, president donald trump.

judy: so you say it's less of a threat, isis and the ideology. does tha mean the decision to move u.s. troops out of northern syria is more justified vice pres. pence:? vice pres. pence: let me say rst, we think the elimination of al-baghdadi, thective lead measurable impact on that terrorist organization. let me address your question specifically. the president has made it clear, when our troops went into syrian combination with syrian democratic forces, they went in with the purposee f defeating is caliphate and they accomplished that in march of this year with great sacrifice of syrian kurds and ofur forces, great professionalism and courage on both sides, the last inch of territory controlled by the isis caliphate was captured.

with the killing of al-baghdadi, we believe that fight h gone on and will continue. the president's decision to move forces out of the region, in a real sense, it was a reflection of the fact that our troops went into s caliphate, but they had evolved into being troops simply patrolling the border between traditional kurdish syria and turkey. the president said we didn't need to in that mission. he announced we were moving the troops out. the troops are moving out. judyvi excuse me -- pres. pence: because of that, we achieved a cease-fire-- in the regio judy: excuse me. sorry to interrupt.s there' number of questions i want to ask. the reason i am asking is cause as you know, what is being pointed out as the irony r of this, thid was carried out successfully because american troops were there. yet d the president hided to move them out. if the troops hadn't been there, could -- there could not have been raid.

the other pnt being made is that this raid was conducted with the help of america's kurdish partners. the u.s. has decided to leave those to the will of turkey, who doesn't want them there. that's a lot to squa circle vice pres. pence: first, let me take issue with the suggestion thatf we no longer had americans patrolling the border of turkey in syria, that we would not have been able sh accomphis mission. we have troops elsewhere in syria. we have oops in iraq all we havehe region, nearly 40,000 american forces deployed. thspecial forces, i can't say precisely where, but the special forces would have been unaffected by the decisiones the ent made -- judy: so they would not have en part of this pull out vice pres. pence: i can't say can't say that president'sbut decision to remove troops from patrolling the border of syria

with turkey had no impact on the capability, as we demonstrated this weekend, of moving this incredibly successful assault that brought the most wanted man in the world to juste. judy: and yet, what is being seen now is that after that meeting that you and secretary poeo had with president erdogan and agreed on a safe zone, not long after that, president erdogan met with russia andutin of they settled on a much larger safe zone, and the turks went after the kurds, hundreds were killed. there's talk in the u.s. of war crim being committed. my question is, was this truly a gsuccess when the tur what they wanted in the first place? vice pres. pence: president trump sent our delegation to turkey with one mission, to save lives, to stop the military incursion by turkey into syria, and to bring a cease-fire to the

section of the border that turkish military were controlling at that time. judy: but hundreds of kurds were killed. vice pre pence: there was fighting along the border. there's no question. even after the temporary cease-fire took effect, there were limited skirmishes. t as the general told me, after the temporary cease-fire became permanent, what president trump was able to secure from turkey was a commitment to allow our allies in and syrian democratic forces to safely withdraw from that 20 mile area along the border. reports are today that syrian democratic forces are now in the process of withdrawing from a similar section along the turkish border in syria that is frankly controlled by russian forces and the forces of syrians -- the syrian leader. judy: did the turks break the promise they had made to you to reect this safe zone, to go on which in effect shut thesafe

kurds out of a martial larger area than what you originally negotiated? vice pres. pence: our focus was to end the fighting in the area were turkey's milita present. the discussions they had with russia and with syria itself about creating a buffer zone along the border something that has been talked about for years. the holy -- whole notion that we had essentially a demilitarized zone that would be without a syrian kurdish military force, not kurdish people, but kurdish people l ne the and will continue to -- but also eventually it would be without the military presence of turkey in that area as well, that we would create a demilitarized zone, and we are in consultation right now with our european allies to bring resources to bear and may be personnel to monitor that area.

. theen only thing prestrump made clear is that u.s. forces would no longer be deployed along the border between traditional kurdish syria and tturkey, bu u.s. is fully prepared to work with and enlist the support using our diplomatic and economic power to maintain a safe zone. judy: sorry to intrupt. so it's a success for russia, who is celebting this. iran has come out ahead syrian regime has come out ahead. that's a victory for the ited states? vice pres. pence: when pr sident trumt the team, he sent us with one mission, judy. that was to stop the invasion and to end the killing. we accomplished that in a five-day cease-fire that literally allowed thousands of our allies andn syrmocratic forces to safely withdraw from the area under the control of the turkish milary. make no mistake about it, to your point, president trump has made it clear that american

forces will remain in syriand, particularly that we will be deploying forces to ensure the security of the oil fields all across northern sia, and we will be working very closely with syrian and kurdish allies to makee the revenues from those do not fall into iran's hands,on't for lent to the regime's hands, or russian hands, but remain focused on ensuring the stability of hard-fought gains, where the syrian democratic forces literally one back the country from the scourge of isis. judy: the impeachment inquiry underway right now in congress by the house of representatives. the president says he never pressured ukraine's president to investigate joe biden, but there's no reporting by a number the associated press, that asg

long ago as may after the president's first phone call with president zelensky tt h was strategizing, anxious, worried with his staff about how to deal with thi pressure from president trump. -- that's not what president zelensky has said. he actually said there was no pressure. judy: but the people around him -- vice pres. pence: he said that in discussions i had with him that there was no pressure. i think any american who takes time to read the transcript of president trump's call will seet the presidid nothing wrong. there was no quid pro quo. judy: but in that transcript, the president mentions joe biden. he says to president zelensky, "i hope you will look into this," and a referened to what 'app, about joe biden, vice

president biden' son hunter biden. what did you think when you read that? did you think it was appropriate for the president of the united states to bring up a pitical rival? vice pence: well, i think the president hasade clear his discussion in that matter was looking to the past. i can tell you that in the president's call, which i know that was greatly distorted by the way it was characterized in the whistleblower's report -- the whistleblower sutke a eight different references to the bidens -- judy: but it's not just the vice pres. pence: but the other distortion was when the cirman of the intelligence committee read into the record before the committee a fabricated version of the phone call. anyone itel, me sure you read the transcript, the president

did nothing wrong. i can assure you that in all my discussions with president zelensky on the president's behalf, we were focused on restoring the territorial integrity ofng ukraine, stan with them against russian aggression, helping support their efforts to deal with corruption -- judy: excuse me -- vice pres. pence: and enlisting their support. judy: but to bring up joe biden, the man who is likely to be, may well be the for president next year, did it raise a red flag withou? by the way, whistleblower.t a it is william taylor, longtime respected -- diplomat appointed by president bush, and reappointed, saying that the president was withholding military aid for ukraine, and the promise of a whitese h meeting because they weren't committed to investigating the bidens. n this wase transcript. you read theri --

transcript. does william taylor have credibility? vice pres. pence: are you ferring to his testimony? judy: his account and testimony. vice pres. pen: we can't ally count on that because all we have from the committee are leaks. judy: we have his statement. vice ps. pence: we have this process in congress tdayt is a disservice to the american people and it's a disgrace. to have impeachment hearings taking place behind closed doors , and only thing the american peopleut learn aur piecemeal release week apparently by the judy: this was his opening statement. 15 pages. vice pres. pence: it's just unacceptable, judy. the committee ought to releasee tire record of all the witnesses, how they responded, how they clarify points they made in their testimony. the american people deserve to know that. judy: again, it wasn't leaked. it released to the public. vice pres. pence: well,

according -- look, the american people have a right to know. impeachment is a great and nation, and the way thefe of so-called impeachment inquiry on oorstol hill behind closed is wrong they shouldn ois whole process to the light of day. they should release all the transcripts. judy: and they say they are doing that. they are moving to an open process. vice pres.ence: they should move the process right -- judy: they say republicans have anqual -- vice pre pence: the last peachments, you know judy, there were rules that were established where counsel could be in the room, where due process rights of the president, and that the administration was respected, and that is simply not the case now. that is why as i travel around the country, its why so many americans are so frustrated with this congress. frankly for the last three yearo

ress has been spending most of its energy trying to overturn the will of the tmerican people in the l election.despite the fact that e been a get an and norma sinnott -- annoous amount done, and this weekend was an extraordinary accomplishment, the defeat and the killing of the most wanted man in the world, shows we are continuing in the fight to keep this nation secuda. the snp st just set a record today. this economy is booming. 6.5 milln jobs. the american people look at the ondemocratess and the endless investigations and the so-called impeachment inquiry -- judy: i think congress -- vice pres. pence: i think the enough is enough.they want to fs that matter most to them, to prosperity. judy: you mentioned previous impeachment. lindsey graham, who was in the

house of representatives during the bill clinton impeachment process set at the time, "the fday richard nixonled to answer the subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment, because he took the power from congress." the point being that congress does have a right to investigate ait president. ays so in the constitution. revice pence: well, congress has this authority. so the question is -- judy: and they are asking the vice pres. pence: remember, i was in the congress for 12 years. the congress acts by a vote and a majority. ev that hasn't happened here. the speaker of the house unilaterally initiated impeachment inquiry. ere has been no vote. members of congress have taken no position. most members of congress had no access at all to what's ppening behind closed doors. the american people just deserve judy: it's a process --

pvis. pence: if congress wants to pursue an impeachment, than they ought to do it in a way that respects the american people, gives the american people all the facts, and ultimately respects the history and tradition of the of representatives as well as tgh due process of the president. judy:judy: theyay the committees will wrap up in a couple works and then turned to open hearings. if the house goes ahead and votes to impeach the president, what do you bhaieve wilen in the united states senate? do you believe they will convict from office?and remove him vice pres. pence: let's be clear first. i don't take it as a foregone colusiont te house will vote to them preach -- toen impeach presdonald trump. as the american people take a look at the facts in this case, they read the transcript that was so mischaracterizedhe by whistleblower and grossly mischaracterized by chairman adam schiff in his fabricated

version of the phone call he when people read t transcript, they will see despite the reckless allegationsf the media, there was no quid pro quo. president zelensky himself there was no pressure. it was a perfectly good phone call. the presidendid nothing wrong. as the facts come out, the american people will understand that. voice be heard on capitol hill. the other reason is i really want to see this cs comee really together and work with this president and ways to wait -- make the americacupeople more and prosperous. judy:es mr. vice prident, thank you very much. vice pres. pence: ank you, judy. good to see you. ♪ judy: as you heard from vice

president pence, the trump admi death of abu bakr al-baghdadi will have a measurable impact on isis. but the vice president also says the u.s. mission in syria will continue despite president trump's initial order to withdraw. nick schifriis back to explore death of one of the world's most wanted men. reporter: what is the future of u.s. policy in syria and how will his death affec isis? i am joined by the co-author of "isis: inside the army of terror," and director at the center of global policy. and the director of the national counterterrorism center for five years beginning at thend of the bu administration. he's a national security partner at skadden. let srt. . with you you wrote that al-baghdadi's death might be more significant than osama bin laden's death. i do think so. by the time bin laden was killed

, he had already been far removed from the day to day reality of al qaeda. he wasn't as relevant as al-baghdadi. al-baghdadi was committing an organization determined to return and revive the savage caliphate. he was pretty much on the ground meeting his you tenets -- lieutenants. he was running the organization. he was hds-on. the impact of his killing could be -- more far-reaching tha e killing of osama bin laden in 2011, which happened a decade after 9/11. reporter:ike, baghdadi not only ran isis inside iraq and does the risk of global terrorism change at all now with his death? >> i think it may a little bit and if shortsherm -- in the t-term. i think hassan makes an excellent point.

unlike osama bin laden in 2011, dhe is realply tied to isis operational planning. but fundamentally in my view, i don't think the threat of extremistn the changes at this point. the fact is that isis had already lost its physical caliphate and it had become a global network of lospiration ane court and loose corded nation across many nations and into the west. baghdadi, as important as he was, his death does not take away the basic inspiration, the same basic playbook of small-scale attacks still poses roughly the same risk before the raid. reporter: we have seen isis morph from a caliphate, from controlling territory, back to er insurgency in iraq and syria, and further splig all over the world. can his death mean that continues into further splinterin around the world,

given he was controlling things and keeping things unified? >> that's theamig portion. orn about this. on one hand, baghdad any other leader that will follow him within isis, he built a legacy way befe he announced a caliphate. he actually brought the orgazationp from the ashes, the defeat in 2008. he managed to bring it back from the dea, essentially. he expanded the organization from being an iraqi organization into being iraqi and syrian. he turned into a global e organization bef announced or declared himself to be a liphaten014 and became a global organization. i think he had already managed to create this brand that will survive his death, but t o timihis killing a sensitive. ythat's say the united states has a small window

p the pressure a keep the organization down and be -- prevented from becoming a large organization in the future and reviving itself. reporter: let's use that to turn toward u.s. policy in syria. we have been focusing so much on president trump's decision to withdraw over the last couple weeks, but we heard secretary esper today say specifically the u.s. mission in syria has not changed, remains the same. since 20 a senior administration today said the goalse u.s. policy in syria remains the same, number one, defeat isis. it seems despite the president's rhetoric the same.egy remains vice president pence's interview as well, taking a similar line. yes, removing troops from one section, but fundamentally, the mission not changing. i think that's quite good. as haas on notes, there is a

strategic point at which we cank atsis and there are tactical opportunities with the information garnered from the successful rate. i hope that's the case. this is the time to accelete operations against isis so it can'tn recuperate from this against baghdadi. i think the challenge we face is some of the ability to collect intelligence, to have a reliable partner on the ground with the kurds, is diminished by the president's decision to withdraw from the area. with that has come the release of some previous isis detainees. at exactlyhe time when i think we should be most aggressive, we do f practical and challenging consequences from the withdrawal of that region and how it has affected the kurds. reporter: quickly, what would happen ifhe u.s. is not able to keep this pressure you guys are both talking about on isis? >> i think it will be reinvigorated again.

isis will be governed by a sense of revenge and they want to take thatntage of the fac everyone is angry. with that runs the danger of the risk of isis quickly seizing on this vacuum in syria and iraq. remember, syria and iraq have always and will lowest be at the center of gravity for isis. t if ye the pressure off isis in those two countries, isis will be back.po er: and you brought of the kurds. i want to k you about this. senior administration official tolde today that they played a "very important role, no e should underestimate theirol after killing the skesman, the trump administration vowing to maintain the strategy. is that enough to mainhis vital relationship?

>> we have to invest in the intelligence community and the department of defense i think will continue to invest. the kurds have been with the united states for decades now. i think we have a practical need to work with them, but also a truee moral imperat stand by those who have stood by us. reporter: thank y very much to you both. >> thank you. ♪ judy: california is under a state of emergency with multiple wildfires burning at both ends of the state, threatening thousands of homes, including those of lebron james and arnold s.hwarzenegger in los ange million customers have beenhan 2 dealing with power outages throughout the weekend and possibly more again tomorrow.ni step sy has more from the newshour west bureau. we spent some time talking t people in northern california

er the weekend, but first, i want to bring in jacobgo ms, who has been covering a new fire that broke out this morning in los angeles. he is a reporter for kp sisi -- kpcc >> two things stand out to me in this fire. it is close to.a. and close to many neighborhoods. how dangerous is this fire? report: very dangerous. it kicked off around 1:30 this morning and some residents had no notice. they had to fleeight away. it is basically tearing its way through a mountainous area. it is kind of a hard area to firefight in, but it is driveny by really, reaavy winds, stronginds coming across the valley. they are just slamming into the fire and pushing it alo. there is concern it would burn all the way to thece o. there are neighborhoods tucked into the hills.

fires are not uncommon in this uiarea, but the moreing we have done, we become more aware. e:stephany idea how the fire started? reporter: ellie mayor eric garcetti said they are looking into it at this point. usually it can take time before we actually know, but we will have to wait and see. stephanie: and there were 10,000 evuations in the area. this was a pretty populated area. of laces, homes -- places, homes tucked into the mountains. athere ao a lot of very narrow roads. there was traffic into the area. i actually stood on a trail overlooking the area, and i was thinking about how irimed to burn. there's a lot of brush. you can tell the areas that are ready to go. a lot of the native vegetation is pretty lush and we had a

really wet year the past year, and then dryness. everything was kind of ready to go, especially since it is so dry by the time we hit october. hopefully, the rainy season comes alon soon. stephanie: this is being called the getty fire, partially because it's inthhe vicinity of getty center. thgetty center is an ectural masterpiece in l angeles. it carries a lot of priceless art. is the center threatened by this fire? reporter: the center is not threatened by this fire. two years ago, there was a fire that came awfully close. the getty was actually designed to hopefully withstand fires. atey have a special irrign system. it is made of a lot of stone. the hope is that as fires do burn up -- and there's a lot of vegetation that can burn on the safe.ide, but hopefully it is that can ptect the artworkation

from smog. stephanie: jacob margolis, reporter with kpc thank you. workis fire crews are to contain blazes in the southern part of the state, northern california i dealing with the kincade fire in sonoma county, which has burned an area nearly twice the size of san francisco. millions of residents are dealing with the third pg&e power outage this month. i spent the weekend with those people. across wide swaths of california, high danger and height emotion -- high emotion. >> a little bit of ptsd from two years ago. stephanie: as the kince fire rages, a dire forecast calls for winds that will blow embers into more towns and ignite more blazes srting early sunday morning. something is going on just inr. the last h we have two different mandatory evacuation orders.

stephanie: within minutes of the text alerts going out to 40,000 redents, traffic is snarled and gas lines snaking through streets. >> we got the evacuati order this morning and we did't think nothing like this woulighappen last n. stephanie: residents, includinga dand robert naples, were given several hours to evacuate. >> it is disjointed to pack everything up and i'm glad they gave us enough time to think o about it and d mindfully. stephanie: people gathered their heecious belongings. for the naples, wedding albums and dog. abrahan and dam make sure their gaming consoles were packed. so you guys got the evacuation order. what have you been doing? >> just paing and looking at all the stuff. it is scary. stephanie:te people fast. so many have been directly affected by the tubs fire in 2017 that killed 22 people andbu ed more than 5000

structures, including where dana naples tght. >> my school burned down actually in the last fire. >> i saw it coming over. we just got out and got on the ojai highway, my house was gone. >> my daughter and her husband lost their home over there two years ago. we have been through this. stephanie: now, they are seeing similar weather conditions and are not taking chances. o years ago, one this statetr most dtive fires tore through this area, fueled by nds like these. around here, they are called diablo winds, spanish for devil. >> weot areetting much rain. there is so much forest. it is just dry. it's like kindling. once the fires, goet takes off. stephanie: anthony solano picked up a generator to prepare for what is becoming another new normal here, plant power outages . in bankruptcy and facing a reported three- 0 billion in liabilities, the state's largest

utilities, pg&e, started cutting off fire in risky whether preemptively. it's a controversial move affecting millions of people and an untold number of businesses. restaurant owner jen bennett and executive owner sn mcgrath s on their empty patio at the restaurant planning for their lights to go out. >> we have been closed three times this month for periods of two or three days at a time. he gs to drive back and forth to santa rosa picking up dry ice every day to keep everything down, but we aren't able t.o op 21 employees without work, us without an income, and a lot of perishables out. stephanie: they canceled 67 reservations this night. bennett calculates theosses, including wages, at nearly blackout.ast week's > i am pretty angry like everyonek else. i thu try and not let the anger get to you. stephanie: what are you angry about?

>> i think the shutoffs in general and the lack of maintenance they have had. stephanie: most of downtown calistoga is fortunate enough to have a generator that kicked on a few hours after the outage, but the restaurants out of its range, as are these residents in this mobile home park ople over 55. >> no one wants a repeat. no one wants a repeat, but is this really the only way? stephanie: do you blame pg&e? >> somimes, yes i do. stephanie: what do you think can be done better in the future? >>e have to getetter control. stephanie: for tiffany horton, it is pretty bad. >> it has been extremely difficult. between aom that has dementia, a husband who is an iraqi veto eds a cpap machine, my sleep is nonexistent, between her wondering and figuring out what's going on and him not .eing able to breathe. it has been rou

stephanie: to make matters worse, her 82-year-old mother is still recovering from a fall in the first blackout. can you understand why they are doing the outages? >> yes and no. i think there's a lot of covering themselves. stephanie:stephanie: pg&e covering itself, like protection from lawsuits? >> right. i believe that for the sonoma county sheriff especially, there is a risk to people trying to t people out. the outages plus the evacuation makes a lot of sense. stephanie: this is exactly why there are so many evacuations and power outages happening here. there f areefighters all throughout these hillsides fighting these fires. pand whileg&e tries to justify its safety shutoffs to millions of people without power, it can't explain why the faulty transmission tower that ited suspects stahe most destructive fire of the year was left on.

for the pbs "newshour", i am stephanie sy. judy: we turned back to the top story of the night, the death of one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. this time with our politics monday team, amy walter ofhe cook political report and host of public radio's politics with amy walter, and tamra keith of npr. she cohosts the npr politics podcas hello to both of you. it is politics monday. amy, the lead still is, we heard the announcement yesterday, u.s. troops went in on the raid and killed the leader of isis, clearly, there are national security implications here, but politically speakg, what does

this mean for the president? >> politically, this is a win for president trump in a moment where he has not had a lot. every dahe's getting a drip, drip of bad headlines relathm to the impet inquiry and he was taking a lot of h ftm members of his own party on the syria policy. now he has this thing that is universally a positive. is it the kind of thing that can broadly sway public opinion? the way the white house is treating this, it is like they want it to be his bin laden moment. they sent out this picture of president inhe situation room reminiscent of president obama and the situation room during the bin laden raid. but it's different. baghdadi is not this outsized figure in the american psyche. isis, although frightening and concerning two people, it is not 9/11. american affect the public on american soil in the same way. outpouring, people going to the

streets to celebrate his death. with baghdadi, it was a news cycle. judy: and the white house reminding everybody of the death of journalists and others at the hands of isis. >> of course. this is a president who as he campaigned and in his tenure has talked about pushing back isis, that has been something -- his focu m ish about making that campaign price -- processkind ch the box on that, which he now can say he has had two big successes with isis. there's of course a lot of controversy over the pullout in syhea ander or not we will see a return of isis to the area ,ut at this moment in time, it was a very big success. to amy's point about osama bin laden, that happened in april of 2011.

then president obama saw a pretty significant bump in his approval rating, about five points. by the time june rolled around -- so it was late april, may. by theol time juned around, his approval was back where it was before the bin laden raid. in oth words, this polarization we had today was just as significant and011. even what we think of game changing events, the assassn of osama bin laden, even that did little to move public opinion for long. majudy: ihave a temporary effect. and the timing of it is interestg, because it is asth house of representatives continues the impeachment inquiry. they have announced they will take a vote this week on thursday. i interviewed vice president mike pence, you heard him, say that the american people don't care about this, they want the congress and the president to

focus on what matters for the american people. does he have a point? >> this move by house democrats is the next phase in the part of what they will be voting on is public hearings, having public hearings and make them part of his argument is true,pu the americaic doesn't spend every day checking headlines. when this goes from closed-door depootions to leaked details public testimony, a very much more public process, that could have an effect on public opinion. >> that's a very good point. i have talked to a number of candidates and incumbent members asking them, what is it like when you are going actund the dist are people asking you about this? ithisludes democrats and republicans. even among democrats, they say, it is not an issue people are

talking about. they arenocused bread-and-butter issues. what i think is interesting about this decision by pelosi to say, ok, we will open the process -- what she was essentially saying to republicans is y have made this process argument for a few weeks thk this impeachment inquiry is illegitimate because it has been behind closed doors, ngbecause we are not follohe same rules and procedures fro previous impeachment -- well, ok. now we're going to do that. e one going to take a v thursday now will we serepublicans in kind respond with allowing moret folks in the executive branch to testify? judy: right. >> will they comply with subpoenas, et cetera? resisted.y have >> spoiler alert i can't imagine , the white house suddenly saying like, oh, great. judy: now we will go.

>>ot you on this. now we're totally going to cooperate. >> that's rit. >> and we aren't going to have any concerns about executive privilege. move by the white to ask this someone who had been in the administration not to testify. they cited an immunity for top-level aides to the p hsident not e to give congressional testimony. do we think that the white house us going to reverse that position just bethere's an impehment inquiry officially? no. judy: because -- >> no, because, i mean, i talked to a member of the house intelligence committee a couple of weeks ago and asked him that very question of, all right, if you take this vote authorizingth impeachment inquiry in the way that republicans would like you to do, why don't you just do that, call their bluff? and he said, "well, unfortunately, they're moving the goalposts as we speak. i think they would just move it agn." so i am curious to see the reaction of individual members to this vote and what they are going to do with this going forward.judy: interesting, becas you -- again, as you heard talking to vice president pence,

his argumen tis process has been behind closed doors. now it's going to be out in the open. arso, we will see how thment shifts. politics mondays. so much going on. lter, tamara keith, than you both. >> you're welcome. judy: and that is the "newshour" for tonight. ajoin uin tomorrow evening. for all of us here at pbs, thank you and we will see you soon. fannouncer: major fundi the pbs "newshour" has been provided by bnsf railway. consumer cellular. and by the alfred p sloan technology, and improvedience economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st century. ♪ announcer: supported by the john d and catherine t macarthur foundation, committed to and peaceful world.t, verdant, more information at macfound.o

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