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approve a resolution that establishes the rules for the next public phase of the impeachment process. the vote closed a tense week in waington as anotheround of witnesses testified about the president's conduct and lawmakers sparred. >> the impeachment inquiry has built a powerful body of evidence around presidentde trump's call withresident zelensky of ukraine. >> history will ask you when yot casts vote -- when you cast has gone on behind closed doors, there?o you know that happened robert: joining us tonight are four reporters who have been on the fro lines of this story at the capitol and at the white house. nancy cordes, chiefl congressio correspondent for cbs news. vivian salama,te wouse reporter for the "wall street journal" journal. peter peter, chief white hse

correspondent for the "new york times" and jake shermaer senior writer for politico and co-author of "playbook." let's begin with house vote. speaker pelosi remains at the centat of in d driving the inquiry and her party'strategy and a jake wrote "democrats have several key hurdles over the next few days t keep their ranks together. the moment they'rere about to head into a recess week. how do they keep the momentum going,"?ke jake: they have to move these hearings to a more pubc setting and that's what this woke -- vote was about. people are going to go home and they're going to get questions and speaker pelosi want them to ta about it. theyeyound themselves in a moment that they can'turn their backs. on th is what pelosi thinks but again, they're about to have a bunch oe

witnesses o capitol hill or not come to capitol hill a a not t'stify. th a challenge for pelosi over the next week to keep t drumbeat up but she spoke tooo erg and said there will be hearings this month. robert nancy, what are you hearing about the scheduling and time somethingancy: jake is right about how quickly they wa to move. even though they're scheduling some for next week, a lot of witnesses won't show up and they're seeduling depositions as early asext week and we could get word next week about public heangs they woul like to start the week after that. few big blockbusters as they try to lay out this story, a pressuring campaign on thank you cranian government through the narratives and words of the ditch lo malts and white house officials who lived through it. robert: what's the view atth white house? do they see the democrats moving

forward in a commanding way? peter: this remind me of the day clthat bilton was impeached in december 1988. aftee day, the house democratss rallied behind him. one of his aids walked in and -- aveledwalked in and said instead of the impeachment, it was a pretty good day. it's going to be a party-line impeachmentbsent some democratichange in the environment. somesi exp evidence we haven't seen yet. it a whole lot easier as a republican in the house to vote for an inqry thabe for a ararcle of impeachment. if you didn't want to vote for an inquiry, it's going to be hard to see how they'd vote for an actual impeachment. bert: how did the white house

hold the .comtogether this weeke there wuf much of a strategy for the lt month in general the pre likes to control messages so there was a lot of talk about the formation a war roomor a while and then it went away and now there's a discussion about possibly sprathing t t impeachment strategy from the rest of the white house strategy. peter, you would know more but that's sort o the way the clinton white house approached let's have the white house and perspectivct focus on policy issues, promoting the economic growth and things like tt that are going to get him into the election year and have over people from outside some come in and focus on the impeachment strategy. that's a l of talk but right now we don't see it happening and rention are going to him, pressing him saying this is the way to move forward. >> frankly, the white house doesn't need to do that much t keep people in line as loic as repu support.

for the president remains this high. a new wol out says only 8% o republicans thinks the president should be impeached. if the numbers stay like t tt, republicans don't see a value of them stepping out of line and voting for an inquiuiy or impeachment. robert: congressn van drew of new jersey and congressmanrs pe of minnesota. were there more breaks behind the scenes? peter:as no, pelosi done an process and selecting a chairman in dame schif who is managing a tight process. haw been d is annteresting case. he voted no on speaker. that's not whe you can vote. you have to vote fo a human being. donald 2ru6r7 won brian peterson's district by nearly 31

poinpo. heor always voted right of his party. democrats are sticking together. the are bumps on the road. questions about how the process is playing outt and w it will look like in public where it's going to get a lot stickier a more paurnl. peter: i think that's right but partisan. feel want to it remain just lik bill clinton wanted the 1988 impeachment to be s public does donald trump so the argument about the process may go away to some extent but republica want to to be us vs. them. robert: is it going to drag into the ele eion year?rt peter: it already has. the presire has three rallies in this next week alone. that's thef problem o not having a war room. clinton was part of the white n'

house that d focus on it. in this white house, the leading the war room. guy >> and if it does drag into an that's going to be big problem for six cdidates inhis large democratic field. if there is a senate trial that lasts for weeks in january or february, those are very important days thatte i of beinginut campaigning in iowa or new hampshire, they're going to haveo be sitti in their seats for this hours every ngle day tt can't speak on the senate floor and that is not what any candate wants toe doin in an election year. robert: that's on the horizon but for now there's a procession of current and former trump administration officials who testified this week. vivian's reporting looks at the latest key witness. lieutenant colonel alexand vindman. he listened tohe call between president trump and perspective

lensky over the smirp and he said that the summary released w by tte house did not match his own recollection of the call. d he said gordon sond land said they need to secure specific things to get the support. halings this turned the probe on capitol hill in a more significant direction? does it give democrats me of the thple in adn tion following the testimony by ambassador taylor? >> this was big week f depositions. we heardrdtw frocurrent nfc officials with first hand owledge of the phone in july and both of them said they had n some con because of the fact that presidenid trump raisd the issue of investigations in the phone call. of course, hearing it from current officials, both of who claihave come in a nonpartisan manner to talk about

this, this wa obviously something that was very inoubling for a lot of people, republicans rea to it, indmanman particular. lieutenant colonthe army. a purple heart. he was an iraq war veteran. he said i was concerned because of the facthat i heard the perspective talking about this issue and he calrnd it con of an appearance of a partisan play. this was one thing he said i i his opening statement. the other interesting thing is the circle closing in increasingly on gordon, the u.s. ambassador to the europea union. now playing a very key rule -- roam, as did rudy giuliani. there were concerns that he wa goin out there and telling thank you cranean yens, you nee to open -- ukrainians, you need to open an invtigation either to secure a meeting with aide come through. t to hear that from current

officials were was very striking. we still don't hear them saying any of these thing coming out of the president's mfment and that's going to be the big challenge for a lot of democrats going forward. what you have is the phone call, which everyone talks about a quid pro quo. do they link directlywithholding of military aid to the ukraine to investigations to bide sson there are bothe aised in phone call but there is no explicit link but with gordon sondland, u a specific link, according to the testimony. peter: they don't have something as explicit as they mig like but theyeson't nrily have to. in the nixon case one of the articles of impeachment held him responsible for the actions of his aides so if youe able toha prove sondland and giuliani

and others acted in an inap,opriate wou could use that. >> also, democrats are planning to using what the see as the president's obstruction as an article of impeachment, not allowing these people to testify, holding them back fro hearingin rooms. mocrats said for a long time we're going to take them to court and actually said no, thir is enough tg articles ofism people. . erobert: there w attacks on the lieutenant colonel, mr. vindman, saying he might be a spy but representative liz chainy had this to say. >>uestioning the dedication to country of people like mr.nd viman. inninge need to show that we are better than that as a nation. is it was -- i shameful to question their patriotism, their love o this nation. that and that came very early on

as they attacks just got started on carolina andou got the sense that republican leadership not to discourcoe their own mention from making those kinds of attacks on vindman but to send a msage to the president himself, hey, don't you go down ts road either. they didn't think that wa going to be beneficial to h or to the party to go after seone who had served his countryon a purple heart and still serving his kiffin. >> well, the psident did go down that road. the next day he was calling vindn, not by name but calling him a never trumper. this is the position he's taken. ok, they're serving in the administrationut they're not democrats but they're never-trump earnings. that's the position he's taken with these people. robert: is there any contesting of the facts here? official after official, ambassador after ambassador keeps ling out what aears to

have --- be an alleged quid pro quo on the psident's part. military aide exchange for information. >> democrats and republicans ki of agree on a basic set of facts, that tve% perspec had this callith the leader of you cranial and asked him to investigate joe biden. now, republicans say there's nothing wrong with that. all of government and all of politics is a quid pro quo. he wasn't asking them to doll anythingal and democrats say, no, actually, this is really bad, not what perspectives should be doing and this is a high crime and misdemeantr. that's theesting thing here. with every testimony you're just getting more collar a about episode th we already know the brd outline of. robert: if the expert othe national security council, if you have lieutenant colvin vinv move to this public phase, does

that change the dynamic among republicans? robert:uld be halve to be something rather stunning to changem. t they've heardthrom taylor, vindman, and nickne mul who got on television and said, yes, there was a connectiontw n holding back the aid and an investigation and they tried to take it back. there's no real dispute about the facts right now. it's how you characterize them d unlessome of thens with -- bns are so dramatic and would change public opinion, i don d see whyul that change american minds. speedy process if all the facts are here in the depositions? >> yes, and i think that's what democrats would like because they're being the republicans as a party that cares about imp nothing else. if they can keep things moving, th feel that publicentiment

has shifted and they d't want to take the chance of it y're going k so t to try to move shiftly. every house member i've talked to is eager to get thiseone by nd of the year. robert: the white house continues tost conhe whole impeachment process.le noif asked hou judiciary this on thursday. nadr about >> you have you havthe right to impose appropriate remedies if you determine that theen pres is unlawfulfully block witnesses. what do you mean? >> one party toig lion unlawfully blocks themo tes testimony, has this president has been doing. we may have to take >> what kind of punishments are you consider something >> i'm not considering athin at the moment. we'll see what happens. robert: and one othe most prom innocentce witness on the democrats' radar is john boln, the for fr national security

advisor.n, peterrote "this -- there may e be no government that democrats wants to questiones more." and he called rudyiuliani "a hand defend who's going to blow everybody up." bolden's possible testimony looms but he and others are o challenging whether they'll have to appear. >> john gden's lawyer said he'll not appearoltarily, he'll need a a system. even if he gets a subpoena, another individual who was repreented by the s lawyer will say judge, you make the decisi. ifde bolton goes that direction that couldlo things down. and the point you made about speed, does the house go to court, fight out tig lion or move on? they would like john bolt on thh testify becauswas firing by or quit under protest from the

white hom e. he would s be a powerful witness. >> what i was total today is that you can do both. they can move to the public phase of testimony, have big public hearings and they can contin to do depositions. obviously they have to cut it off at some point if they hand ything over to the house judiciary committee. but even ifhey move to public hearings in the middle of november, they cod still do a depositi or a hearing with john bolton if they have the opportunity. they've take to him anytime they have the chance. >> so many people who have been deposed so far have brought up john bol bn as far as him im telling n.f.c. officials to report concerns to the n.f.c.'s attorney, general counsel. lling rudy giuliani a handan grenade,ealizing he was up to something. abruptly ending a july 10th

meeting with the ukraine yenls because gordon sondland had raised the issue of linking aid with the pre. he played a key role in basically waving red flags at a time -- a number of people -- he was alwaysiewed as hawk. some felt he was tooh abrupt w his foreign policy views, programs was courting a war witt iranll of a sudden he's in a way thi unlikely hero in this contt because of the fact he was starting to raise red flags. robert: regardless of whether mr. bolton telephones or not.ot i was talking to a member of the freedom caucus and they said albaghdaddy was rectly killed. and they still feel likein theya a comfortable pitioit with the economic record. but in bue senate, one republican privately said to l ite a horror movie because

they don't know what's around the corner. how do you see the republicans as this moves public? >> house republicanselieve a dozen or so that democrats s, control that donald tru t won and those people cannot have impeachment hung arounddheir head and maybe their right or wrong. butev that'sev mccarths very strong bleacle in the senate you have a moreic situatiua in which no one is willing to defend this president because thedon't believe he's been completely truthful about what he's done and come ported himselfse adand behindhe scenes. also, familiar a bunch of o sea up tough for republicans to keep. colorado, joanie aaninst of io. the list, we donw how that to plays politically. >> today the president said t againt his call with the ukrainian pnsident was perfect aneverybody says so. on the same week thatf two o his top avepleds telled behind

closed doors that they were so troubled by the phone call they went to white house lawyers. bert: you mentioned the "washington post" poll. sit breaking through, the testimony? at least at this moment? e >> untilee public testimony, i don't know that wyoming see big shifts in th numbers, if then -- but that's why senate republicans are so wa about defendihe president on the merits, or on the sub stae as he said this week he'd like them to do. because the t don know what the substance is. >> someone told me today in these kinds of things, the facts neverveet better, they get worse. the numbers are 49-47. although identical to the popular vote in 2016. the country hasn't moved in three years. nobody has changed their mind. >> and i hate to say this because it sounds a talking point but house republicans do have ave point. ro

these are iment hearings far being cubsed -- >> but bng they're go be public. >> they are but they've been anducted now for month but if you bring that message out to the american people, we saw that inin 2010--- 2009 and 2010 when use republicans to -- went to every member of the house -- >> the president platt ant lip asked thethresident of a country -- >> and they face a trial. >> yes,o he asked another president to get involved and conduct investigations related to the u.s. electioct that is already uneasy quid pro quo or no quid pro quo. it is a very uneasy position for republicans to be in. everyonee should read that transcript andmu fte their own opinions and the republicans have and tt's where they are now.

robert: one last tough qstion fo peter baker on this special "washington week." the washington nationals, world champions. peter: the greatest week in the hist my goodness. what a week. the team has the firstir world series championship in 19 -- 95 years. it's the onlhingng that's brought the city together. and it's like a movie they weye down and out from the beginning, 19-31, to come bk and win against the dominating team of our year. it's an amazing thing. >> the two storiesoi are too merge because the nats are going to the white house on monday. so we shall see s peter: ectly. they're going to go visit the president, who was booed when he visited game five. robert: i would see jake at r.k. by himself in 2006nd 2007 ke: i felt some nights i was the only person watching these broadcts of a lowly team. it's been azing t see.

robe: great. i'll be at the parade tomorrow. i'mi' robert costa. thanks for joining us and goodod night. ♪

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