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>> woodruff: it's been a dramatic day at the u.s. capitol. in the second public hearing in the impeachment inquiry into president trump, the witness was marie yovanovitch, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. mr. trump derided her in his july phone call with ukraine's president that is now at thef centeris investigation. today's questions focused on how and why he fired her.in first, mr. trump resorted to twitter to attack her while she was testifyingis ther lot to unpack, and a here to loit all: yamiche alcindor is at the white house. our lisa desjardins was in ,the committee hearing ro nick schiffrin, atable.g with hello to all of you. there is a lot to unpack. wsa, i'm going to starth you. the day pretty much started, here we have a career diplomat, and they went right to the

firing, how it happened, what happened, how she felt about it when it happened, and she talked about feeling threatened. >> ihink the democrats here were trying to show real daage, and ambassador yovanovitch, forh who watchee hearing, she was very con snint her testimony. she was trying to provide direct answers. she did not get very emotional except occasionally. but the words she sad described the emotion she went through first as she was ousteand the president attacked her on twitter. lesas listen to what shed. >> i was shocked and devastated that i would feature in a phone call between two heads of state in such a manner where president trump said that i was "bad news" to another world leader, and that i would be "going through some things." so i was--it as a terrible moment. a person who saw me actually reading the transcript said tha lor drained from my face.

i think i even had a physical reaction. i think, you know-- even now, words kind of fail me. >> that, of course, is the call between presint trump, the man she had been serving and president zelensky, the man she was expected to help his country. with she was asked how her family was coping. that was a very heavy momenta where she was ng herself and she said quietly she doesn't want to talk about that. >> woodruff: that came throughh on television screens we were watching. yamiche, at the white house, the president was paying attention. tell us about that. >> the president wady to defend himself in realtime, meaning attacking ambassador yovanovitch as she was attacking publicly in the impeachment inquiry. i wanto read some of the tweets the president sent out because they are in some ways quite remarkabl yovanovitch went turned bad,

started out in somalia, then the ent spoke pres unfavely about her in my second call with him. it is the u.spresident's absolute right to appoint ambassadors. he went on to say, i have don far more for ukraine than, referring to president obama. it was the president of ukraine who actually had the issue with marie yovanovitch, according to trump, and then zensky said thanks for bringing up, mr. trump, that maried yovanovitch problem and that he did not like the work she was doing. then the president of ukrne essentially says i agree with you. while the president was lashing out at the abassador, he was also misleading the american public in these tweets. >> woodruff: and yamiche, we know that not long after the president kids tweet those criticisms ofer, th ambassador was asked about it bs

chairman adaiff. let's watch that. >> would you like to respond to the president's attack that everywhere you went turned bad? >> i mean, i don't think i have such powers. not in mogadishu, somalia, and not in other places. i actually think that where i have served over the years, i and others have demonstrably made tngs better for the u.s., as well as for countries that i served in. >> notwithstanding the fact that, as you testified earlier, that the president implicitly record.andou in that call now the president, in real time, is attacking you. what effect do you think that has on othergnitnesses wills to come forward and

expose wrongdoing? >> is very intimidating. >> it's designed to intimidate, is it not? wh i mean, i can't speak t the president is trying to do, but i think the effect is to be intimidating. >> woodruff: and, yamiche, and conversation about whether the president was trying to intimidate a witness. >> democrats say that the president was essentially trying to witness tamper here and thaat hes trying to intim bait ambassador yovanovitch with hisw ts. at the white house, the president was specifically questioned about that. here's what he said. >> i'll tell you about what tampering is. tampering is when a ke schifty schiff doesn't let us have lawyers. tampering is when hiff doesn't let us have witnesses. doesn't let us speak. i've been watching today. >> the president is saying that republicans didn't have a chance to have lawyers speak within nthat public hearing but, fact, a republican lawyer was questioning ambassador e yovanovitch throughout ty, as was the democratic lawyer along with lawmakers p

so tsident there was lashing out and unloading at ambassador yovanovitch. he also made the point hes essentially ee speech, that he as an american can say whatever he wants to say, but a lot of people are looking at the president sayingis words have more weight than the average american, his twitter account has some 50 million to 60 million people following him, so when he attacks ambassador yovanovitc there are people who worry she will possibly be more people and, of course,ven ambassador yovanovitch said this but the president is essentially saying i can say whatever i want to say. >> woodruff: nick, let's go back into the hearing room because a number of things were brought up today but one of them relad to this is whato ambassadoranovitch had to say about the effect of all this on people who worked at the state department. >> what she called as the smear campaign against her, the efect of the campaign that started really last year but accelerateh earlie year, ukrainian officials inventing facts because they wanted her gone,

facts then repeated on fox news in the hill newspaper by rudy giuliani, by donald j. trump, jr., the president tos loe confidence in her and the state department bringing her open early. she said she isn't the only one. she called it a campaign against foreign service professionals, she said were being dnigrated and undermined, and not only the people in the state department, she said the state department itseib was vis unrg.avel >> the crisis has moved from thm ct on individuals, to an impact on the institution. ge state department is be hollowed out from within, at a competitive and complex time on the world stage.ti this is not to undercut what i'd like to s- while i obviously don't dispute that the president has the right to withdraw an ambassador at any time, for any reason-- but what do wonder is, why it was

necessary to smear my reputation? >> ambassador yovanovitch blamed secretary of state pompeo, senior officials for t defending her from the smear campaign and said the impact was u.s. ambasdors no longer having the faith that the u.s. government would defend them for doing their jobs, extraordinarily serious charges sainst the man who is still her boss, secretary ate pompeo. there's no record of response bm the state dept to what she said, but political appointees say they're cobtinuingnary and not feeling it, but foreign service officers say they are definitely feeling this is not a good moment for them inside the state department. >> woodruff: republicans on the intelligence committee not happy about the impeachment step back fo, what are they trying to accomplish from their point of view and do they thinkt they're doin >> they went in to this week ukraine is generally a corrupt long been concerneut thatmp has

corruption. that came up a few times today, but i don't think aat really wa overall message that they hit home so much, as something they will come back to. they also have wand to make the point that there really wasa ian interference in the president's campaign, something nick talked about a lot as ll. again, i think that's something they mentioned but to me, judy, uceir most scessful moments were in pointing out what ambassador yovanovitch could not say, that she could not directly connect the president to some of the thngs the demrats were saying were the problems. here's an exchange from representative chris stewart from utah in which shehi gets s idea about what do you know about posible impeachable offenses. >> do you have any information regarding the president of the united states accepting any bribes? >> no. >> do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the united states has been involved in at all?

>> no. >> thank you. thank you for answering that directly.th american people know this is nonsense. the american people know this is unfair. and i have a prediction regarding this. i think that public pport for impeachment is going to be less when these hearings are over than it is when the hearings began, because finally, the american people are going to be able to see the evidence and they're going to be able to make their own termination regarding that. and, of course, when he caulked talked about the american people, forrooms, they're thinking a lot about the republicanvoase and trump rs, those are the folks who woodruff: and, of course, another part of the republican strategy here, nick, is bringing up the conneion to joe biden, his son hunter biden, who served on the board of this ukrainian energy company. fill us in on how that went >> right, in two lines of attack that lisa just mentionedñi are ukraine criticized candidate trump in 2016 and ukraine is corrupt, and those two things are the reason that president trump should be skeptical of the new ukrainian government.

that's the logic there. so first criticism in 2016, we heard representative jim jor tdn ough quite a few ukrainian officials who criticized candidate trump. ambassador yovanovitch said that doesn't muean krainian gornment undermined u.s. elections, and she reminded the committee it was russia that attacked in 2016, and then corruption, around the focus was, of course, burisma, the largest energy company in ukraine, so corrupt, after 2014, itas the first comny that the british investigated for corruption. hunter biden, joe biden's son, was on the board of that compane while vicedent biden was dealing with ukrainian officials, and, earlier this week, we heard from anotheren state deparofficial george kent said he approached biden's office saying, hey, m concerned about this. and we heard representative john ratcliff, republican from texas, ask about that today.fá

>> did you ever, do yoagree with that? >> yeah. >> that it was a legitimate concern to raise. >> i think that it could raise the appearance of a conflict of inrest. and republicans want to keep the focus on corruption and they're going to use hunter biden an >> woodruff: now, to yamiche, earlier in the day, separately, the white house did finally release sothing they said they were going to and that is a transcript of the memo describing the first phone conversation btrween presidenp and president zelensky. >> just as the second public hearing with ambassador yovanovitch was getting underway, the white house released a memo, not a transcript, but a memo of a call between president trump and president zelensky, the president of ukraine, it was their first call in april and, in that call, president trump was essentially congratulating president lsky saying it's really great you were elected, i look forward to haing you a the white house. they don't talk about joe biden, they don't talk about burisma which is the company hunter

den was on the board of,ut it's important to note joe biden had not yet entered the race. e second thing, the white house put out a readout of the call, a short note, teporters in april and said in that call that president trump and esident of ukraine discussed rooting out corruption, except today the caol memo desn't say anything about corruption. when i pressed the white house on that discrepancy, they said well, actually, the national security council is the one in putting out the readout, so talk to them. that's significant because army lieutenant alexander vindman who said he had an issue and was coerned about the predent bringing up the bidens in the july call is one of the people that wou be involved in getting the readout ready. so you have some people essentially thinking theohite house is blaming someone who had a concern about that july 25th call for not having the first call, the april call, be an accurate portrayal of what was discussed. >> woodruff: so interesting. sa, we talked a moment ago

about whatropical storm are trying to accomplish. what are the democrats trying to accomplish and do they think ey're doing that? >> they want to make a point that the president was setting up a system where corruption could blossom and wanted to establish a connection between the president and rudy giuanani what was happening in ukraine. a big part of that connection, a man named gordon sondland, ambassador of the european union, talked about before, also a man who donated ad was important to remember a million dollars to the trump inaugural. so wristen to thi of questioning from chairman schiff to ambassador yovanovitch about this idea tht her ouster was the first step in brig ngn potential corruption that these forces that work by julien pearce needed her out of the way to gain personally. here's the question. >> but what if the pre could put someone else in place that wasn't a career diplomat? what if he could put in place, say, a substantial donor to his what if he could put in place

someone with no diplomatic experience at all? what if he could put someone in place someone whose portfolio doesn't even include ukraine? might th person be willing to work with rudy giuliani in pursuit of these investigations? >> yeah, maybe >> that's exactly what happened, wasn't it? >> yes. >> to hear her say that, that's associating gordon sondland with thlidea there were perso interests at stake. >> woodruff: we'll hear from gordon sondland next week. >> woodruff: cominto testify: yamiche, the hearing ended to mere but then the hearing continued behind closed doors. give us a quick sense of whas come out of that and what we should look for in the week ahead. >> david holmes is an aide to william taylor, who is e top u.s. diplomat in u.k., whoon overheard goondland the e.u. ambassador speaking to president trump. he told lawmakers a few moments

ago is the h reason he couear the call is gordon sondland had the cell phone faor away frm his ear because president trump was speaking loudly andtr presidenp was saying he wanted to have investigations into the bidens and david holmes told taylor that president trump cared more about the investigationsf the biden in his 2020 campaign than anything else going on in ukraine, so that's sgnificant, and next week we'll see more depositions and also more public hearings. >> woodruff: public hearingsth at continue tuesday, wednesday and thursday. yamiche alcindor, a long day pore you.rd lisa desjas here at the table with me, nick schifrin, thank you all. i saw that stretch. get ready. >> woodruff: in other news today, roger stone, the former aide and long-time confidant of

guilty in a federal court onound seven felony counts. among them, obstructing a congressional investigatn into russia's interference in the 2016 election. stone was also convicted of lying to investigators and tampering with a witness. prosecutors said that stone committed these crimes to protect the president. amna nawaz has the details. >> nawaz: that's right, in factu , the panel that stone lied to is the same congressional impeachment hearings.the now, stone's indictment was the last brought by former specialun sel robert mueller, and the trial revealed new details about the trump campaign's interest in emails hacked by russia and stone is the latest in a string of former trump aides and officials who have now convicted. they include michael cohen, paul manafort, rick gates, george papadopoulos and michael flynn. moments after thverdict, the president tweeted, "so they now convict roger stone of lying and want to ja him for many years to come." the president then referenced hillary clinton, james comey and

others, acsing them of lying. spencer hsu of the "washington post" coved the trial and joins me now. welcome to the "newshour". >> thank you very much. >> reporter: so stne is found guilty of obstructing the congressional investigation we inlisted there. hat ways did prosecutors say he obstructed the investigati, what did h do? >> jurors found he lied in five different ways, denying he had a ba channel or intermediary or wikileaks with whom he sought infmation that he did not have any records of any communications with those any such individuals. he falsely named one person as a source of information, andn witness and direct him to lie or to mislead or not cooperate with the committee, and he also denied communicating with the trump campaign about this intermediary orfis eforts, and then, finally, he denied anyic commions with third parties about wikileaks

founder julian assange held up at the ecadorian embassy in 2012, tweeting or makingmm ts about the e-mails. >> reporter: the one witness he tried to block the testimony of, who was that and why is he important to this entire storyan in what case was attorney trying to kemkeep him from testifying. >> randy was a colorful figure,e witness, took the stand for the government, is a radio show talk host. his dings things in the campaign is he scored an august 25t august 25th interview with julian assange at the embassy and emerged in commune days -- also when stone was asked and pressed by the committee, well, you made all these public statements in 2016 prdicting what wikileaks was going to do, predicting damaging democratic e-mails by hillary clinton in her campaign, you said you had an intermediary who wasn't, credico, which showed

cred co-was not in touch or seeking information up till weeks after. >> stone. >> reporter: we know the role wikileaks played in all in part of the trial, i want to mention they heard ftwo former trump campaign officials as wel, steve steve bannon amonm is a vidnd rick gates. why is the phone call key t what they're alleging. o>> stone denied trying et the wikileaks e-mails. keesident trump said he spo with stone several times in the campaign season but that he didn't recall any specifics, didn't recall speaking to them about wikileaks and didn't reca knowing about any communications that stone had with his campaign. what gates said and other

evidence showed is there had been discussions sincepril about that stone had had wi the top vels in the campaign, campaign chaman paul manafort, deputy rick gates, the later on chief executive steve bannon and with the candidate themselves aped that on july 31 in the period of the democratic national convention and the time when the-mails were coming ou and wikileaks was tweeting about this, there was this call between stone and trump thatga s heard while they were traveling from trump tower to lu dia airport, after the call hung up, trump said there's going to be more information forthcoming. it was known assange and wikileaks were saying more information is coming but theis e is stone denied to the committee knowing about that. ste's defense is pointed out there's nothing ilegal about opposition resrch, he wasn't charged with that. the point of prosecutors was you committee investi forh to a

foreign interference efforts in an american election when they're investigating that and the belief was that the russians hacked and leaked to >> ant gates called into question some of the answers the president gave to the specl counsel about the details of the phone cal. one last thing, you were in the courtroom. it is fair to say roger stone is a very colorful character. he once said it's to be infamous than not famous at all. there was a lot of circus to the trial itswhelf. was it like over the course of this trial? also a lot of peoplare asking what's the possibility the president just now pardons roger stone? >> there has been some question of why the case had gone to trial, it was a very strongpa r -- records case. prosecutors said that's the beauty of this thing, papersli don' and they had 1500 texts and email messages that stone claimed didn't exist. and the thought had been that stone was really not just appealing to a jury of 12, but

maybe an audience of one, that he used this case to attack the mueller prosecution and accuse it of being a witch hunt, and you sawhat -- i don't know that stone now can come to a jury and say that he helps responsibility now that the that, you know, it's a doubleid standard, he shouldn't have bee prosecut'll see what approach he takes potentially facing a prison term. >> spencer hsu of "the washington post."so thank youch for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, officials say the 16-year-old student lled two students at his southern california high school planned the attack, because he counted his rounds. he remains hospitalized and in critical condition. authorities say he opened fire s quad area,

before shooting himself with the final bullet. investigators say there is no known motive at this time. >> no motive or ratiale has been yet been established for the subject's assault.e suff to say, we did not find any manifesto, any diary that spelled it out, any suicide note or any writings that will clearly identify his motives behind this assault. identified the shooter, also say >> wdruff: police have not the shooter did not seem to have a relationship with any of the victims, other than attending the same school. in iraq, thousands of protesters turned outn baghdad, but security forces opened fire again, killing three people. crowds filled a centrasquare after breaking through barriers, and soldiers and police turned to tear gas and live fire to drive them out. later, a car bomb killed two more protestors, but it was not clear if they were the intended target. lwmakers in chile agreed today h

d a spring referendum to replace the country's unpopular constitution.as itmposed during general augusto pinochet's military rule, nearly 40 years ago.ne thagreement follows a month of protests that have seen more than 20 people killed. the protesters blame the constitution for deep-seated economic inequality. >> ( translated ): today, people are able to move the barriers of politics, to move the barriers as much as possible. today, we are going to have a referendum for the first time ir dey, that asks people whether or not they want a new constitution, and also asks them what that mechanism to transform that would be. if today we are able to dream of a constitut assembly, it is because people have been on the stres. >> woodruff: voters will decide next april on calling a constitutional convention to draft a constitution. a later vote will consider the document itself. palestinians in gaza have returned to picking up the pieces after an overnight flare- up rattled a day-ope truce. it hd when islamic jihad miedtants, backed by iran, f a new round of rockets, and israel struck back with new air

strikes. the israelis sailater that there will be no further air raids, if there are no additional rocket attacks. for the second time this week, high-tide flooding has submerged much of venice, italy. water levels peaked today at five feet abovsea level, forcing the closure of iconic st. mark's square.e locals wfiant, but frustrated. >> ( translated ): i am not afraid, because i am venetian and used to it. buit hasn't ever been like this, with all these consecutive days. we are in an emergency, and we just c't put up with it anymore. >> woodruff: the flooding on inesday was even worse, hi the highest levels since 1966.si e then, sea levels in venice have risen by four inches, and the city has slowly settled deeper io the mud. back in this country, the trump administration announced rules to make health iurers and hospitals post prices up-front. officials said the goal is to

foster competition and push down costs for coests and procedures. the health care industry and major hospital groups said they plan to sue. they argue the proposals would violate the privacy of contracts and create confusion. and on wall street, three major indexes racked up new record closes, as tpo white house ed progress on a trade deal with china. the dow jones industrial average gained nearly 223 points to efinish above 28,000 for first time. the nasdaq rose 61oints, and the s&p 500 added 23. still to come on the newshour: a report from hong kong, where the months-long protest movement has entered a new phase. break down the firk of brooks open hearings in the impeachment inquiry.ke and, the sas settled, but the debate rages on. paris wrestles with how to rebuild notre dame.

>> woodruff: the pro-democracy protests in ho kong have entered a new and more violent phase this week, with the shooting of a protester by police, the burning of a supporter of the government in beijing, and the death of an elderly man after being struck in the head. also this week, universitye campuses bece site of clashes between riot police and proteste anger against authorities for the use of force. divya gopalan has this report from hong kong. >> five demands, not one less. stand with hg kong. >> reporter: this has been the scene every lunch time since the week began, in an ea considered to be hong kong's wall street.

many office workers have joined the protest movement which has gripped the city for nearly six months. and once they leave, riot police take over, clearing rategically-placed bricks on the road, trying to get the commercial heart of the city back to business. an uneasy calm on friday caps off e of the most violente weeks since otest movement began in june, prompting china' leadernping to comment on the unrest for the first time, saying, "the continued radical violent criminal actions in hong kong have gravely trampled on rulof law and social order, seriously damaging the prosperity and stability of hong kong." and he added that the chinesego rnment strongly supports the hong kong police in enforcing the law.t ger against the police has beenngrowing, with many accusi them of using excessive force against protestors. universities have become the

new flashpoint, with intense confrontations between protestors and riot police, who fire tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon, and protestors retaliating with stones and crudely-made gasoline bombs. athe polytechnic universit the campus has been turned into a fortre. >> ( translated ): we have been preparing a loof offensive and defensive weapons. as you see, once you have entered the universityampus, a lot of people wear helmets a masks. we are also making molotov cocktails to protect ourselves, and stopping the police from entering the university. >> reporter: the university is a hive of activity, even though classes have been cad until the end of the year.io operatns on the campus are well organized, with different groups assigned tasks. the kitchens feed anyone whome wants a hot al. among them are students, alumni lpand those who want to hehe mostly young protestors. frank wong is one of them, despite being on the government's payroll.

as a search and rescue worker, he often works alongside the h police, and sais concerned about the protestors safety. >> ( etranslated ): the pol force ordinance tells you that batons should never be used on the head. that can cause death but that's what they do. so the question is, do the police want to apprehend the protestors or kill them? >> reporter: along with defending thr campus, the protestors are keeping watch over a tunnel right next to their university. this is the cross harbour tunnel. it connects the financial center of hong kong with the rest of the city. it's usually very busy with heavy traffic, but protestors have shut itown, and by doing this, they have not only taken over a major transport route, but they are also sending a message to the government of how much they can disrupt the city. it's part of a new strategy to create as much chaos and disruption as possible during the weekdays. small groups of protesto

barricade roads and highways at terk hours to create com chaos. >> if they can't go to work, pressure on the enterprises, and so that give more pressure to the government. t >> reporte action has proved effective. schools were closed for the leek, while many shops, business and commercial o near protest sites are periodically shut, and public transport and trains cancelled. it's paralyzed the city, and seems to have done the same to the government. despite the escalation with each week of otests, the city's leadership has yet to find a way to defuse the crisis. for the pbs newshour, this is divya gopalan in hong kong. >> woodruff: now, here to analyze this historic week in american politics are shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields, and "new york

times" columnist david brooks. he to the both of you -- hello both of you. david, i guess you could say it's the best of times and the worst of times for president trump. on the one hand, we just reported the financial markets today were off the charts, set nog records all over the place, but, meantime, there are impeachment hearings going on just down the street from the white house. look at this fir couple of days of hearings, have the democrats strengthened the argument, or where are we? >> yeah, i think they have. the case is very solid i that ihere was a quid pro quo, all the testimony pnts to that. mostly you see a contrast in the first two gentlemen wh testified the first day, they were just uptanding, solid, public servants, i thought i was looking back in time because they were two people who weren't self-centered. they cared about the country, no partisan axe to grind, just had

tegrity. we saw that today with yovanovitch. in her case, the day was more emotional because you got to see a case of bullying against a strong, upstanding woman, and, so, i thought she expressed, like, the hea o momentsf today where, when she expressed her reaction to how badly she was treated. so that introduces an element of emotion and pen pethos in wheret should not be just a legal proceeding buta contrast between good and bad people. >> woodruff: how is it adding upor you? >> the conventional wisdom,dy last friday, is it would be the democrats would impeach in the house and th republicans would acquit in the senate. i think conventional wisdom has i think we remind ourselves this is a not a static process, it a dynamic process. each testimony changes the narrative and changes the reality. there's no question that the

first two witnesses, mr taylor and mr. kent, have inspireand encouraged and given spirit to other people to come forward. david holmes today, and ambassador yovanovitch, i agree with david, after listening to ambassador taylor and secretary kent, you came away with a sense of respect and admiration. today, we were moved, no only at ambassador yovanovitch's ownh story, bute's a sense of outrage building. this is a story of corruption. corruption not in ukraine, corruption in the united states. i mean, why? why did they gto such lenhs to denigrate, to attack, to try and destroy and sabotage the career of a dedicated public servant, a person who had put her life on thline? why? was it money? was it power? why was rudy giuliani doing it?

why was the president involved? i think there's a real narrative that'sv deeloping. >> woodruff: and you're saying you think the democrats are making the point -- >> i think the witness is making the point, and, obviously, the president, today, by tweeting and attacking, i mean, he invarily punches dow this is a man who doesn't punch up. he never takes on mebody his own size or bigger, it's always somebody smaller. the idea of witness intimidation, of just the worst of bullying, before god and man, as he did, is just -- it's unforgivable, and i think, as mike rogers, the formeran republongressman from michigan put it very well, the only time he isn't shooting f himself in tot is when he's stopping to reload his gun. >> woodruff:. soavid, the republicans kept pushing back today saying the whole thing is a sham, is ast of time and worse. what should we measure the success ofhese hearings by? >> i mean, if this were a

football game it would be 42 to 3. i don't blame them. there's just not much of a case there. what he's accused of clearly happened, and you can throw up some flares nd do defensive measures which republicans are doing in complaining whether the process is fair, but they don't i do disagree this is somehow changing minds. i have seen no polling evidence it's changinminds. i don't think people are watching, particularly, out in the country. since this whole impeachment thing started, i've probably been in 20 state i can't think of too many places where people have talked to me about this. you interview lo of people, and people are talking about so if it's changing minds especially in middle america or the swing state i see no evidence of that. my newspaper did a story this morningterviewing people there and there's no evidence of that. i think the case is a strg one and i think what he's done is

appalling, but americans who ke him like him, and the economy is the economy. so i'm not sure ie se evidence -- >> let me make two quickts repon response to david. first, it's a legal sonstitutional case which building and the witness is buttressed this week, but the other thing is whether the diabical plotting of nanc pelosi or whatever, there's a slitical case, and it makes it more difficult tand up for donald trump. it's going to make it morer difficult publicans to stand up. you just say, oh, that's donald trump being donald trump. what he did today to ambassador yovanovitch, i mean, is jus unforgivable at any level. you can't say, gee, he's my kind of guy, i like this kind of guy. the other thing is, judy, the collateral story, mike pompeo, the secretary of state, the hollowing out of thetm dept, this is a hollowed out man in. the marine corpthere's a simple rule every enlisted men

is officers eat last. any officer worries about feeding his or her priefghts or lieutenants before he even picks up a knife or a fork, and mike pompeo is the antithesis of he is missing in an and absent without leave, when his own k ople are under attnd under siege, he goes quiet, he goes mute. he is a disgrace to the united states military, the unistd es military academy, and it's just a hollowed out man. go trump rns by fear but i think this only changes if we're surprised, and if trump had been a boy scouup until this week, we would all be shocked by his behavior, but we ha been sitting here three years angry and outraged week aft week throwing spittle around because of how upset and offended wee. >> woodruff: you're saying there's not much of a move. >> there has to be aprise for this to change, but trump up to this day is totally i character. >> stay tuned, david. >> woodruff: i know we say this more every week, but this

has the effect of taking the oxygen out of the room, or however you want to put it, david, for the 2020 democratic candidates for president, we had the fomer governor of massachusetts deval patrick announce this week on tp of michael bloomberg last week. is soone likgovernor patrick going to be able to make any headway in this environment? >> it will be challenging. i ought he a mitch landrieu, former mayor of nornses, were the two strongest candidates and he couldn't run for various reasons,is wife ha illness and things, but he's now in thel race, obvigoing to be hard for him. money.sn't have a campaign or happen quickly. we have a few states and suddenly in california, texas, north carolina on super tuesday, so things are going to unfold quickly. it's wth a shot because among the democratic establishment, there's genuine serious aniety about elizabeth warren's medicare for all plan so they're lookg for someone who can

rescue them. if you're looking for polls ine iowa, escue looks like pete buttigieg who is still rising, amy klobuchar i also still suddenly rising a bit. out on the campaignial where the campaigns built staff and doing events, they're having more movement than i expected, it's away from the impeachment and national story. >> woodruff:ow do you see this field -- i mean, what do you ke of patrick getting in? why? >> well, he wants to be president. it's the reason people run for president. >> woodruff: thank you for strahtening me out on that. >> a number of people tell him, in michael bloomberg's case, him. had a lot of people telling i think patrick made sense on paper, made a lot more sense a year ago than hmakes now. there's two finite rerces in any campaign, time and money. bloomberg, you can say, can overcome theoney thing patrick is behind the eight ball on both of them, but he dos present the potential threat to

joe biden, and to pete buttigieg. as david says, the sense of alarm go up, especially among democratic elites and especiallt among demo elite givers about elizabeth warren and medicare for all is pa of i, but part of it is the wealth tax, too, to be very frank.to ee billionaires crying, which is probably giving her political issuthat she didn't have and a political advantage, when you see, you know, literally billionaires crying over the prospect of her wealth tax is kind of a lift toer -- >> woodruff: so money can make a difference.re yoaying bloomberg has a chance because he has a lot of money, endless amount of money, whereas patrick may have some good ideas but he doesn't have the money. >> right. say pete buttigieg wins iowa, warren wins new hampshire, i don't know what happens in south carolina, but suddenly go to california and mike bloomberg has money to play in californiab

and blg may be the only one who has money to play innd those states if there's chaos and panic it could play into the race. it could go crazy. who can we all agree on? ryone patrick is a guy eve can agree on. if there's total panic, but it's >> people might be recycling the lines people used in 2012 used by mitt romney. deval patrick hasn't exactly fought for widows dns orp >> woodruff: this is a business counseling firm. >> i guess we call iti prvate finance. >> woodruff: i'll let you define it. mike bloomberg's not in yet, but may officially g in. >> yeah. >> woodruff: we'll leave it there, mark shields, david

brooks, thank you both. >> thank you. f: >> woodrhis past april 15, the world watched in horror asdr notre dame cat, beloved gothic symbol of paris dating to the middle ages, was engulfed in flames and smoke. its world famous spire fell. its roof collapsed. the cause was believed to be an accident. but, seven months later, a debate srls over how to rebuild, and how quickly. jeffrey browhas our report from paris, as part of "canvas," our ongoing arts and culture coverage. >> brown: they are the fallen angels: once soaring high in the cathedral, now lying chipped, broken and contaminated in the "historical monument research labora" to a suburb of paris, where dector aline magnien sums up the daunting dame.enge of restoring notre >> ( translated ): it's really a building se like no other.

's quite an extraordinary project, which is very difficult, very tough and very demanding at the same time. >> brown: from some angles today you can squint and imagine all ist ell at notre dame, but i certainly not, and tourists and locals alike still mourn. w>> just devastated for tld because of what a treasure it is. >> it's the eiffel tower and tre dame, when you think of paris. >> a monument burning is like o the paf a piece of a story of humanity vanishing in fact so, not just for french people, for everybody. >> brown: visitors continue to come-- an act of witness, or just curiosity. but now, large barriers are up and the entire site is closed off. inside, the cleanup continues. and all around, the realization has grown of just how hard it will be to restore the great cathedral. >> ( translated ): the dust is mainly concentrated in seals likehis, or on the banks of the seine, between cobbles or in

inlays or in cracklike this. >> brown: an immediate and ongoing problem? lead contamination. the fire melted hundreds of to of lead in the roof, and the smoke carried and spread it throughout the surrounding area. jacky bonnemains of the french environmental group "robin hood," says the government waso slow tspond to a public health threat, even allowing visitors into the cathedral's plaza for the first months. april 20 until aug20, it wasnd open. there were thousands of people, tourists, coming as families inth children, who were lyon the ground to take photos and to eat. >>rown: nearby, schools like this one had to be decontinated. the long-term health impact remains unclear. also unclear? just how much ofhe lead found here, in a city as old as paris, is due to the fire. government officials insist they are taking it seriously, but bonnemain's group has filed a lawsuit demanding more

accountability. >> ( translated ): what we really want, and this might surprise you, is that other cities in france, as a lot of towns in spain and in italy, maybe even in the united states, that have beautiful monuments from this fire anday itsomething was handd. >> brown: lead contamination inside the cathedral has slowed the cleanup and forced workers to wear hazmat suits. in july, authorities offered veral media organization tour of the interior, but not long after, issued a dramatic new warning-- that the entire stfcture is still in danger collapse. and, stabilizing the wallss a priority, before turning to any restoration of the spire and roof. at the lab outside paris, aline magnien explai this way: >> ( translated ): there's a risk that notre dame's vault will become unstable, which would result in more stonesul falling and put the public in danger. so we have to establish to what extent the stones are damaged, and whether they still have some

resistance. and then, which stones we can keep and which ones need to be replaced. >> brown: here, scientists study in the aftermath of the fireer expand or contra as they dry. ( translated ): this is a vault element that has been used to many, many little tests. >> brown: they're also conducting tests usingasers to clean the stones. so the test is to see if the lead can be removed by this kind of method on a small scale here? >> ( translated ): yeah, on a small scale. and then they will go to the cathedral with the machine and make tests on the wall and on the sculptures of the cathedral. >> brown: all of this will eventually lead to the main event-- actually rebuilding and restoring notre dame. and surrounding that are many more issues. though the cathedral dates to medieval times, the spir was actually a 19th-century design by architect eugene viollet le-duc. among the questions now: whether and leadre the woode roof, or use more modern

materis, and, whether to build an exact replica of the spire. when authorities put out a public call for new designs just days after the fire, instagram lit up, including with some wild ideas. and some locals we talked to seemed open. but the prevailing attitude seems to be, "rebuilxactly as it was."hi art storian phillipe plagnieux. >> ( translated ): i think ourdu is to preserve the heritage we've inherited for future generations. and if we can't preserveldt, then we shecreate it. reconstructing the cathedral, the roof, the spire, as it was fore. >> brown: another queson-- how soon can this be done? immediately after the fire, french presidentacron promised to rebuild within five years-- a target many saw as timed to france's hosting of the 2024 olympic games.r, this sumrance's parliament created a new commission ttr oversee recotion, led by a former army chief. it's yet to formally meet, but

we talked with one m wnsignor benoist de sinet will represent the catholic church. >> ( translated ): the mos important thing is to remember that notre dame is first and foremost a cathedral, a church, a place of worship >> brown: that may sound obvious, but debate had already swirled around notre dame for years, as it became an often- overrun tourist site.th monsignor wants to use this moment to return to church values. >> ( translated ): it is important tonderline that when a bishop decided to build a cathedral in the middle ages, it was also a project to help the today, when rebuilding notre heme, we are going to launch projects to helpost vulnerable in our society. >> brown: there are so many economic, and cultof and course, and the church.th coule be a clash? >> ( translated ): never in france. ( laughs ) >> brown: which means, always in france? >> ( translated ): of course

there will be difficulties. there will be questiig debates. in france, we like having big debates, asking qutions. we can go on and on. ( in english ) we love to speak. >> brown: will the rebuilding go on and on? like others we spoke with, monsignor de sinety wonders when the last stone will innally be put lace, the cathedral reopened, but he dpe to celebrate mass in notre dame within the next five years. for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown in paris. >> woodruff: and a news update before we go tonight. this evening, president trump issued pardons fori mlitary service members who were all accused of war crimes. two receivedull pardons, including one about to go on trial for.r mur a third had his rank restored after he was denoted following a trial. senior pentan officials had recommended against the move,

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