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at the u.s. capitol. in the second plicearing in the impeachment inquiry into president trump, the wness was marie yovanovitch, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. mr. trump derided her in his july phone call with ukraine's president that is nowt the center of this investigation. many of today's questions focused on how and why he fired her. in a first, mr. trump resorted to twitter to attack her while she wa testifying. there's a lot to unpack from this day and here to look at it all, yamiche alcindor is at the white house alicia desjardins was in the committee room and joins us in the studio along with nick schifrin, also at the table. there is a lot to unpack. lisa, i'm going to startyoith the day pretty much started, a career diplomat and t went right to the firing. how it happened, what happened,h ho felt about it when it happened and she talked about

feeling threatened. lisa: i think the democrats were trying to show real damage and ambassador yovanovitch, for anyo t who watchs hearing, she was very consistent in her testimony. she was trying to provideirect answers. she did not get very emotional except occasionally but the words she used described emoti she went through as she was ousted and as the president attacked her on twitter. l let'sten to some of what she said. >> i was shocked and devastated that i would feature in a phone call between two heads of state in such manner where president trump said that i was bad news to another world leader and that i would be going through some things. so i was -- it was ae terri moment. a person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color drained from my face. reaction. even had a physical

even now words fail me. lisa: ale between president trump, the man she had been serving and president zac zac z. and she was asked how her family is dealing with this and she said she didn'tant to talk about that. judy: that came through on the television screen. meantime at the white house, the president was paying attention. tell us about that. yamiche: the president was ready to defend himself ine realt but defending himself meant in this case attacking ambassador vanovitch as she was testifying publicly in this impeachment inquiry. i want to read tofo you some the tweets the president sent out. here are two tweets he sent out. "everywhere marie yovanovitch turned bad. she started off in h somalia,

did that go, and fast forward to ukraine where the n t ukrainian president spoke badly of her. i have done far more for ukraine than o, referring to president obama. the president was saying it was the president of ukraine who had an iss of marie yovanovitch when, in fact, the president said thank you for being the first person to bring up that marie yovanovitch was a ambassador so it was president trump whoir said he did not like the work she was doing and the president of uaine was essentially saying, i agree with you. long after thedent did that not tweet those criticisms of her, the ambassador was asked about >> would you like to respond to

the president's attack that everywhere you went turnedad? >> well, i mean -- i don't think i have such powers, not in mogadishu, somalia, and not in other places. i actually think that where i've served over thers y i, and others, have donstrably made things better for the u.s. as well as for the countries that i've served in. >> notwithstanding the fact that as you testified earlier, the president implicitly threatened you in that call record. and now the president in realtime isng attac you. what effect do you think tt ha on other witnesses' wiwaingness to come f and expose wrongdoing? >> well, it's very intimidating. >> it's designed to intimidate, is it not?

>> i mean, i can't speak to what the preside is trying to do but i think the effect is to go intimidating dy: and yamiche, that brought a round of reaction and henversation about whether president was trying to intimidate a witness.ya che: democrats said that the trying to intimidate ambassadord yovanovitch with his tweets. at the white house, president was specifically questioned about that. here's what he said. president trump: i'll tell you about what tampering is. tampering is when a guy like shif schiff doesn't let us have lawyers. tampering is when schiff doee't let us h witnesses, doesn't let us speak. yamiche: the president is sayins that republiidn't have a chance to have lawyers speak within that public hearing but, fact, a republican lawyer was questioning ambassador yovanovitch throughout the day, as was a democratic lawyer, rsalong with lawma so the president was lashing out and unloading at ambassador yovanovitch.

he also made the point that he essentially has free speech and he can say whatever he wants to looking at the president saying his words have more weight than the average american.wi hiser account has some 60 million people following him soe when attacks ambassador yovanovitch, there are people who are worried that she will possibly be attacked or and of course, ambassadoreople yovanovitch says this is very painful for her but theen pres is essentially saying i can say whatever i want to say. judy: so, nick, let's go back into the hearing room because there were number of things brought up today but one of them related to all of this was what ambaador yovanovitch hado say about the effect of all this on people who wk at the state department. smearwhat she called a campaign against her, the effect of the campaign that started last year but really accelerated earlier this year. ukrainian offifaals inventing s because they wanted her gone. facts repeated on fox news, inhi th newspaper by rudy giuliani, by donald trump jr.,

leading the president to lose h confidence i and the state department bringing her home early and she said she wasn't the only one going through this, it was a campaign against foreign service professionals and foreign servicesi profals were denigrated and undermined and it's not only the people in thede state rtment, she said the state department itself was visibly unraveling. >> the crisis has moved from the impact on individuals to an impact on the institution itself. the state department is being hollowed out fromithin at a competitive and complex time on the world stage. this is not a time to undercut our diplomats. what i'd like to says while i obviously don't dispute that the president has the right to withdraw an ambassador at any time for any reason, but what i do wonder is why it was necessary to smear my

reputation. anick:assador yovanovitch blamed secretary of state pompeo, senior officials, for not defending her from that smear campaign. she said the impact was u.s. ambassadors no longeraving the faith that the u.s. government would defend them for doing their jobs. extraordinarily serious charges against the man who is still her boss, secretary of state pompeo. there's no on the recordhe response fromtate department to what she said but political appointees from the state deinrtment are s they're continuing their job and it feeling this but foreign service officer talk to feel it's not a good moment for them inside the state department. judy: so republicans on the telligence committee not happy about these impeachment proceedings. what are they trying to accomplish from there point of view and do the think they're doing it? lisa: they said they wanted to do a fewpecific things. one, they wanted to show that ukraine is generally a corrupt country and president trump has long been concerned about that corruption. that came up a f times today but i don't think that was an

erall message they hit home so much, but something they'll come back to. they also have wanted to make the point tret t was ukrainian interference in the president's campaign, something's nick talked about a lo well. that's something that i think they mentioned but to m their more successful moments were in pointing out what ambassador yovanovitch could not say, that she could not directly connect the presidentheo some of things the democrats are saying were the problems. here's an exchange from representative chris stewart of utah in which he gets to the idea of what do you know about possible ieachable offenses? >> do you have any informationrd reg the president of the ited states accepting any bribes? >> no. >> do you have aon informa regarding any criminal activity that the president of the uniteh stat been involved with at all? >> no. >> thank you. thank you for answering that directly. the american people know this is

nonsense. the american people know this is unfair. and i have have a prediction regarding ts. i think that public support for impeachment is actuallyes goingo be when these hearings are over than it is when the hearings began, because finally the american people are going to be able to see the evidence and they'ree going to b able to make their own determination regarding that. lisa: when he talks about the american people, for republicans, they're thinking a lot about the republican base and trump voters. hethose are folks who think this is unfair. judy: another part of the republican strategy here, nink, is bri up the connection to joe biden, his son, hunter biden, who served on the board of this ukrainian energy company. fill us in on how that went. nick: the two lines of attack are ukraine, criticized candidate trump in 2016 and ukraine's corrupt and tse two things are the reason that president trump should be government.f the new that's the logic there. first, criticism in 2016.

we heard representative jim jordan go t quite a few ukrainian officials who criticized candidate trump. ambassador yovanovitch said that doesn't mean the ukrainian government undermined u.s. elections and she reminded the committee that it was russiatt thatked in 2016. and then corruption and the focus, of course, was burisma, the largest energy company in it was the first company that14, the british investigated for corruption. hunteriden, joe biden's son, was on the board of that compane while vice pre biden was dealing with ukrainian officials and earlier this week we heard from another state department official, george kent, said he approached biden's office saying, i'm concerned about this and we heard representative john ratcliffe, republican of texas, ask about that again today. >> did you ever -- do you agree with that? >> yeah. was a legitimat concern to raise? >> i think that it could raise

interest.rance of conflict of nick: and republicans want to keep the fruus on cion and they'll use hunter biden and burisma to do that. judy: e yamiche,ly in the day, separately, the white house did finally release something they said they were going to and that is theranscript or the conversation between presidente trump and president zelensky. what did we learn from that? yamiche: just as the second public hearingdo with ambas yovanovitch was getting underway, the white house released a memo of a call between president trump and president zelensky, t president of ukraine, in a and president trump was essentially congratulating great you were elected. they don't talk about joe biden. they don't talk about burisma, the energy company that hunter biden was on the board of. but it's impornt to note that joe biden was not yet running for president so the forenr vice

pres had not entered the race. the second thing to note is the white house put out a readout of the call, art s note of the call to reporters in april and it said in thatt call t president trump and the president of ukraine discussed that today the call memo does not say anything about corruption. when i pressed the white hse that discrepancy, they said actually the national security council is the oe in cha of putting out read-outs so you should talk to them.at significant because army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman who said he had an issua anconcerned about the president bringing up the bides in the july call is one the people that would be involved in getting the readout ready so you have some peoplehinking that the white house is now blaming someone who had a concern about the july 25ot call for having the first call, the april, be an accurate portrayal of what was discussed. judy: so interesting. lisa, we talked about what the republicans were trying to accomplish. what a the democrats trying to accomplish? and do they think they're doing that? lisa: they wo make the

point that the president was setting up a system where corruption itselfould blossom and they wanted to establish a connection essentially between the president and rudy giuliani and what was happening in ukraine. a big partf that connection, a man named gordon sondland, ambassador to the europea ion, we've talked about before, also a man who donated $1 million to the trump listen to this line of questioning from chairman schiff to ambsador yovanovitch about this idea that her ouster was first step in bringing in potential corruption, that therc at work by giuliani needed her out of the way to gain personally. >> what if the psident could put someone else in place that wasn't a career diplomat? what if he could put in pce, say, a substanti donor to his inaugural? what if he could put in place diplomatich no experience at all? what if he could put in place

someone whose ptfolio doesn even include ukraine? might that person be willing to work with rudy giuliani in pursuit of investigations? >> yea maybe. >> that's exactly what happened, wasn't it? yes. lisa: it's extraordinary to hear her sayhat, basically associating gordon sondland with this idea that there were peonal interests at stake. judy: we're going to hear from gordon sondland next week. judy: coming to testify. yamiche, finally, back to you. the hearing t ends afternoon but then the committee continued behind closed doors. give us a quick sense of what's co out of that -- i know a little information has come out. and what to lk for inhe week ahead. yamiche: david holmes is an aide to william taylor, top u.s. diplomat in ukraine, who overheard gordon sondland, e.u. ambassador, speaking to president trump. he told lawmakers the reason he could overhear that call is because gordon sondland had the cellhone far awayrom his ear because president trump was

speaking so loudly and he heard president trump saying he wanteo ave investigations into the bides. that aide, david holmes, told trump carede about theesident investigation of the bides -- bidens and the 2020 campaign than anything going on in the ukraine so that's significant.dy hearings continue tuesday, wednesday and thursday. yamiche alcindor, aong day for you. thank you all. get ready. judy: in other news today, roger stone, former aide and long-time confidte of president trump today was found guilty in art federal cn seven felony counts. among them, obstructing a contressional investigation

russia's interference in the 2016 election. stone was also convicted of lying to investigators and tampering with a witness. prosecutors said tha stone committed these crimes to protect the president. amna: the panel that stone lied to is the same congressional committee conducting the impeachment hearings. as the lastictment brought by former special counsel robert mueller and the trial revealed new detai about the trump campaign's interest in emails ha,ked by rus published by wikileaks. stone is the latest in a strg of former trump aides and officials who have been convicted including michael cohen, paul manafort, rick gates, george papadopoulos and michael flynn. the pwesidented "so they and want to jail him for manying years to come." the president referenced hillary clinton, james comey and a list of others, accusing them of

lying. spence shoo of "the washington post" covered the trial and joins me now. obstructing thegressional investigation. in what ways did prosecutors say he obstructed that investigation? spencer: jurors found that he lied in five difayrent denying that he had a back channel or intermeadiary with wikileaks from whom he sought information, that he did not have any records ofat communns with any such individuals. he falsely named one person as a source of information and then proceededo threaten that witness and direct him to lie or to mislead or not cooperate with the committee and he alsoend communicating with the trump campaign about this intermeadiary or his efforts and denied any communication with third parties about wikileaks

founder julian assange who was tweemmng and making ts about the emails. amna: the one witness he tried tolock t testimony of, who was that? story? he important to the and in what ways was stone trying to keep him from testifying? spencer: randy crelico, a former comedian and new york city talk he scored an august 25 interview with julian assange from the embassy. it emerged that in communications -- also when stone was asked andressed by the committee, you made all these public statements in august 2016 predicting what wikileaks wdo going t predicting the release of damaging democratic emalls by y clinton and her wmpaign, you said you had an intermeadiary, w it. the president named creditko and evidence showed creditko was not seeking information until weeks

after that time that stone named. amna: you mean stone named creditko. we know the role that wikileaks played in all of this. heardf the trial, they from two former trump campaign officials, as well. steveng bannon a them and rick gates, deputy campaign share.in art of gates' testimony, he talks about this phone call. what was that pne call and why was it key to what prosecutors were alleging? spencer: stone denied speaking to the campaign about trying to get the wikileaks emails. president trump in his own answers to the mueller commission said he spoke with stone severalimes inhe course of the election campaign season but that he didn't recall any specifics, didn't recall speaking to him about wikileaks andidn't recall knowing about any communications that stone had with his campaign. what gates said and other evidence showed was that there d been discussions since april that stone had had with top

levels of the campaign, campaign chairman paul manafort, deputy rick gates, later chief executive steve bannon and with the candidate himself that on july 31, in the middle of the president of the democratic national convention and the time when the emails were coming out and wikileaks was tweeting about this, there was this call between sto and trump that gates heard while they were traveling from trumpow to laguardia airport. after the call hung up,rump said there is going to be more information forthcoming. how dispositive is that? it was known that assange and wikileaks were saying more information was coming but thesu is that stone denied to the committee knowing about that. stone's defense has pointed out there's nothi illegal about opposition research. he wasn't charged with that. the point o prosecutors was y have to tell the truth to a commite investigating foreign

interference efforts in an american election andf the bel was the russians hacked and aked to wikileaks. amna: and questioning some of the written answers given to the special counsel about details of the phonealls. you were in the courtroom. it is fair to say that roger stone isor a cl character. he once said it's better to be infamous than not famous at all. there was a lot of circus to this trial itself. what was it like over the course of this trial? and also, a lot of people askint ab the possibility the president just pardons roger stone? spencer: there have been question about why the case had it was a strong paper records case. that's the said beauty of this, papers don't lie and they had 1500 texts and email messages that stone had claimed didn't exist and t thought had been that stone was really not just appealing to a of one, that he'd used this case to attack the mueller

prosecution and accuse it of bein a witch hunt and you saw that -- i don't know that stone now can come to a jury and say that he accepts responsibility now that the president has come out and said that it's a double standard, maybe he shouldn have been prosecuted. we'll see what approach he takes facing potentially a prison term. being here. you so much for >> we'urn to judy woodruff for the rest of the program after these headlines. thises evening, ent trump issued pardons for military servicemen who we all accused or convicted ofri war cmes in u.s. military courts. one of them, army major mathew golsteyn, was awaiting trialor a murder in afghanistan and was fully pardoned. also receiving full pardon,

army lieutenant clint lorance who was convicted of second-degree murder in 2013 for ordering his soldiers to fire on three men afghanistan. the third action by the president restores the rank of ief petty officer to edward gallagher, a navy seal who was acquitted by a military jury last summer of serious charges s includinoting civilians in iraq. he was convicted of bringing discredit on the armed forcesg for pos with a photo of the arpse of a captive. police say 16-year-old student who shot five students at his soutrn california high school has died. the gunman shot and killed two studentsnd woundedhree more on thursday, then shot himself with the last round. investigators are still searching for what drove the attack. >> no motive or rationale has yet been established for the subject's assault. suffice it to say we did not find any manifesto, any diary

that spelled it out, any suicide note or any wtis which will clearly identify his motive behind this assault. chor: police seized several firearms from his home today and are trying to detmine the origin of the handgun used in the attack. overseas in iraq, thousands of prd estors turt in baghdad and security forces opened fire again killing three people. crowds filled central square after breaking throughar bers and soldiers and police turned to tear gas and live fire to drive them out. later, a car bomb killedmowo protestors but it was unclear if they were the intended tget. bolivian security forces clashed with supporters of evo morales in central la paz today leaving five people dead and more than 70 injured. riot police fir tear gas at rock throwing protestors while many others were caught inhe violence. the country has been torn between loyalist t morales and those supporting the new government. from mexico, morales said since

the congress never accepted his resignation, he believes he is still president. lawmakers in chile agreed today to hold a spring referendum to replace the country's unpopular constitution. the n agreement follows a month of protestors that have seen more thaneo 20e killed. the protestors blame the constitution for deep seated economic inequality. >> today, people are able to move the barriers p ofitics, to move the barriers as much as possible. today we are going to have a referendum for for the first tin democracy that asks people whether or not they want a new constitution and also asks them what that mechanism to transform it would be. if today we are able to dream of a constituent assembly it is because people have been on t streets. anchor: in the middle east, the produce between palestinian militants and gaza is being sted. it's early saturday there and israel says it intercepted two rocketsired from the gaza strip. the ceasefire showed signs o

strain last night when israel to rocket fire in thein palestinian territory. for the second time this wee high tide flooding has submerg muchf venice, italy. water levels peaked at five feet above sea level, forcing the closure of iconic saint mark's square. locals were defiant but frustrated. >> i'm not afraid because i'm a venetian and used to it but itr hasn't e been like this with all these consecutive days. we are in an. emergen anchor: back in this country, the trump administration announced rules toake health insurers and hospitals post prices up front. officials said the goal is to fonder competition push down costs for common tests and procedures. theealthcare industry and major hospital groups said they plan to sue. they argue theposals would violate the privacy of contracts and create confusion. and on wall street, three major indexes racked up new record closes as the white house

reported progress on a trade deal with china. the dow jones industrial average gained nearly 223 points to finish above 28,000 for the 50 time. the nasdaq rose 68 points and s&p 500 added 23. still to come on theudnewshour with woodruff," a report from hong kong where the months long protest movement has entered a new phase. mark shields and david brooks break down the first week of open hearings in the impeachment inquiry. and the smoke has settled but parisw wrestles with to rebuild notre dame. >> this is the "pbs newshour" from weta studentsn washington and from the walterit cro school of journalism. judy: the p-democracy protests in hong kong have entered a new and more violent phase this week

with the shooting a protestor by police. the burning of a supporter by the gernment beijing, and the death of an elderly man struck in theead. also this week, universities' campuses became the site of clashes between riot police and protestors, exacerbating public "newshour" special correspondent has this report from hong kong. [chanting] >>his has been the scene every lunch time since the week began, inn area considered to be hong kong's wall street. many office workers have joined e protest movement wch has ipped the city for nearly six months. d once they leave, riot police take over, clearing strategically placed o bricksn the road, trying to give the commercial heart of the city back to business. an uneasy calm on friday capsf one of the most violent weeks since the protest movement

began i june, prompting china's leader, jinping xi, to comment on the unrest for the first time, taying continued radical violent criminal actions in hong kong have gravely trampled on rule of law and social order, seriously damaging the prosperity and stability of hong kong. and he added the chinese government strongly supports the hong kong police in enforcing the law. but anger against the police have meen growing withy accusing them of using excessive force against protests. universities have become the new flash point with intense confntations between protestors and riot police who fire tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon andor protest retaliating with stones and crudely made gasoline bombs. at the polytechnic university, a fortress.has been turned into >> we have been preparing a lot of offensivend defensive

weapons. as you see, once you entered the university campus, a lot of people wear helmets and masks. we are also making molot cocktails to protect ourselves and stopping the police from entering the university. reporter: the university is a hive a ofivity even though classes have been canceled until the end of the year. operations on the campus are well organized with different groups assigned tasks. the kitchen fods anyone wh wants a hot meal. among them are students, alumni, and thoseho want to help the mostly young protestors. frank wong is one of them, despite being on the government's pay. as a search and rescu worker, he often works alongside the police and is concerned about rs' safety. >> the police force ordinance tells you the bons should never be used on the head, that can cause death.t hat's what they do. the question is, do the police want to apprehend ptestors or kill them? reporter: alonging with

defending their campus, protestors are keeping watch over a tunnel next to their university. this is the cross harbor tunnel that connects hong kong's financial center to the rest of the city. it's normally very busy with hey traffic but the protestors have shut it down and byoing this, they've not only taken over a major transport route, but they're also sending a message to the government of how much they can disrupt the city. it's part of a new strategy to create as much disruptn as possible during the weekdays. small groups ofs protest barricade roads and highways at chaos.ters to create >> they can't go to work and maybe it will have some pressure for the enterprise so they can get more pressure to the government. reporter: the action has proved effective. schools were closed for the week while many shops, businessesmm d cial outlets near protest sites periodically shut and public transport and trains

canceled. it's paralyzed the citys and seo have done the same to the government. by then escalatio with each week of protests, the city's leadership has yet to find a way to defuse the crisis. judy: joinin us to analy this historic week in american politics are shields and brooks. that is syndicated columnist, mark shields and "new york times" columnist, david brooks. i guess you could say it' the best of times and worst of times for president trump. the financial tarkets off charts, setting new records. but meantime, theret are impeachmearings going on down the street from the white house. look athis first couple of days ofearings.

have the democrats strengthened their argument?or here are we? david: i think they have. the case is solid and air tight that there was a quid pro quo. all t testimony points to that and mostly you see a contrast in the first two gentlemen that testified the first day, they werepsnding, solid public servants and i was like -- i felt i wasooking back in time because i was looking at two people who were not self-centered, they cared about men of integrity and i felt we saw that again today with yovanovitch. in her case, the dayasore emotional because you got to see a case ofullying against a strong upstanding woman. and so i tho sht expressed the heavy moments of today were when she expressed her reaction to how badly she was treated so that introduces an element of emotion and pathos in to what should not just be a legal

proceeding, it should be something where people see the contrast between good people and bad people. judy: how is it all adding up for you mark: the conventional wisdom of last friday was that it woulde the democrats would impeach in woulduse and republicans acquit in the senate. i think conventional wisdom has been dealt a blow. i think we've learned and reminded ourselves again that this is not a static process. it's a dynamic process. each testimony changes theiv narr and changes the reality. there's no question thatt the fi two witnesses, mr. taylor, mr. kent, have inspired and encouraged andiven spirito other people to come forward. david holmes today. and ambassador yovanovitch, i agree with david, after listen to ambassador taylor and secretary kent, you came away with a sense of respect and

admiration. today you were moved not only at ambassador yovanovitch'swn story but there's a sense of outrage building. this is a story of corruption, corruption, not ukraine, corruption in the united states. i mean, why -- w did they go to such lengths to denigrate, to attack, to try and destroy and sabotage thearr of a dedicated public servant, a person who had put her life the line? why did they do it? what was it? moneit wa power? why was rudy giuliani doing it? why was the president involvehe i think's a real narrative that's developing. judy: and you're saying you think the democrats are making the point -- mark: i think the witness ishe making point and obviously, the president today, by tweeting and attacking, he invariably punches down. this is w a m doesn't punch up. he never takes on anybody his own size or somebody bigger.

it's always somebody smaller. the idea of witness intimidation, of just the worst of bullying, before god and mani as h it, it's unforgivable and i think as mike rogers, former republican congressman the only time he isn't shooting himself in the foo is when he's judy: david, rcans keptgun. pushing back today saying the whole thing is a sham, waste of time and worse. what should we measure the success of these hearings by? david: if tomorrow a -- it remember a football game, it would be 42-3. republicans, there's not much of a case there. what he's accused of clearly happened. you can throw u some flares and do defensive measures when republicans are doing, but they don't have much to work with. i disagree that this is somehow changing minds.

i've seen no polling evidence that it's changing minds. i don't think people are watching particularly inhe country. since this whole impeachment thing has started, i've probably tates.n 20 i can't think of too many places where people have talked to me about this. people are talking aboutf. other st if it's changing minds, especially in middle americain r he swing states, i see no evidence of that. my newspaper did a bigthtory morning interviewing a lot of people there. there was no evidence of that. so i do thi the the case is a very strong one. i think what he's done was appalling but americans who like him like him and the economy's the economy so i'm not sure i see the evidence mark sees. mark: two quick points in response to david. first, it's aco legal titutional case which i think is building and withhe certainly witnesses this week. but the other thing, the diabolical plotting of nancy pelosi or whatever, there's a polical case. d it makes it more difficult

to stand up for donald trump. it's going to make it more difficult for republicans to stand u just say oh, that's donald trump being donald trump. what he did today, to ambassador unforgivable, at auman level.t you can't say, gee, he's my kind of l guy, ie this kind of guy. the other thing is, judy, theal collat story, mike pompeo, the secretary of state, the o hollowin of the department. this is a hollowed out man. in the marine corps there's a very simpleule every enlisted man learns and that is that ofatcers last. any officer worries first about feing his or her privates and lieutenants before he even picks up a knife or a fork and mike pompeo is the antithesis of that. he is missi in action. he's absent without leave. when his own people are under attack and under siege, he goes quiet. he goes mute. i mean, he's -- he is a disgrace to the united states military

and the united states milemary ac and it's just a hollowed out man. david: trump governs by fear but i think this only changes if we're surprised and if trump had been a boy scout up until this week, wedd be sho by his behavior but we have been sitting here for three years angry and outraged week after week by upset and offended we are. there has to be a surprise for this to change and trump's behavior today is totally in character. mark: stay tuned.ju : this has the effect of taking the oxygen out of the room, however you want to put it, david, the 2020 democrats for president. we had another announce this week, former governor of massachusetts, deval patrick, on top of michael bloomberg, last week. is someone like governor patrick going to be able to make any headway in this environment? david: it will be chang.

i thought he and former mayorf new orlea were the two strongest candidates and he couldn run for various reasons but he's now entered the race, it's going to be very hard for him.av he doesn't a campaign. he doesn't have money. things happen very quickly. we have a few states and suddenly we're into califnia, texas, north carolina, on super tuesday. ait's worth takin shot because among the democratic elites, there's genuine serious anxietyb about elh warren's medicare for all plan. right now if youhe look at polls, if you look at iowa, the person who looks like the rescue i pete buttigieg ws still rising. amy klobuchar is also suddenly rising a bit so out on the campaign trail where campaigns have built staff and they're doing events, the more movement than i expected and if it's awa from the impeachment story, it's away from the national story. judy: how do you see this field? what do you make of patrick

getting in? why? mark: he wants to be president. that's the reason people run for president. they want to be presint. judy: thank you for straightening me out on that. mark: a number of people tell him, mike basomberg's he's had a lot of people telling him. i think patrick made sense on paper, made a lot more sense a year ago than he makes now. there's two finite resources in any campaign -- time and money. bloomberg can overcome the money patricks behind the eight ball on both of them. but he does present potential threat to joe biden and to pete idttigieg. as d says, the sense of alarm goes up especially among democratic elites and especially among democra elite givers about elizabeth warren and medicare for all is part of it but part of i is the wealth tax, too, let's be very frank. to seere billion crying which has probably given her political issue that she didn't have and a

political advantage when you see literally billionaires crying over the prospect of her wealth candidacy.d of a lift to her judy: so money can make a difference -- you're saying bloomberg has ahance because he has a lot of money, endless amounts of money whereas patrick may have good ideas but if you don't have the money -- david: say pete buttigieg wins iowa, warren wins new hampsre and you go to california and mike bloomberg has the money to play in california, north carolina,exas, california -- a lot of big states and bloomberg may be the only one who has money play inhose states and if there's chaos and panic, it could spin in a milli different ways so it's not crazy for deval patrick to enter theit race because so many people, it could go crazy and people might think, who c we al agree on and deval patrick is a guy everybody could agree on but it's a long shot. mark: a lot of people recycling the les used in 2012 against

mitt romne about bane company because that's where deval patrick has been since he wf governor massachusetts, not exactly fighting for widows and orphans. judy: a business and private finance counseling firm. we should sayrg mike blooms not in yet but may officially get in. all right, wll leave it there. mark shields, david brooks, thank you both. this past april 15, the world watched in horror as notre dame cathedral, beloved gothic symbol of paris dating to the middle ages was engulfed in flames and smoke.

its famous spire fell andoof collapsed. the cause was believed to be an accident but seven months later debate swirls over how to rebuild and how quickly. jeffrey brown has our report from paris asart of canvas, our ongoing arts and culture coverage. reporter: they are the falle angels, one soaring high in the cathedral, now chipped, broken and contaminated in a historical monument research laboratory in a suburb of paris where t director sums up the daunting challenge of restoring notre dame. >> it's really a building site like no other. it's qui an extraordinary project which is very difficult, very tough and very demanding at the same time. reporter: from some angles today, you can squint and imagine all is well at notre dame but it is certainly not and tourists and locals alike still mourn. >> just devastated for the world because of what a treasure it is.

>> it's e tfel tower and notre dame. when you think of paris. >> a piece of history, humanity, vanish. reporter: peopleontinue to flock here as an act of witness or out of ciosity butow they're kept behind barriers and the site is shut off to visitors inside, cleanup work continues and all around the realization has grown of how hard it will be to repair and restore the great cathedral. >> the dust is the mainly concentrated in seals like this or on theks banf the seine, between cobbles and inlays or cracks like this. reporter: an immediate and ongoing problem, lead contamination. the fire melted hundreds of tons theead on the roof and smoke spread and carried it throughout the surrounding area. the french environmental group, robinhood, says the government was slow to respond to a public

health threat, even allowing visitors into the cathedral's plaza for the first months. >> fropr 20 to august 20, it was open. there were thousands of people, tourists, coming as families with children, who were lying on the ground toto take ps and to eat. reporter: nearby schools like this one had to be decontaminated. the long-term health impact remains unclear. alsous unclear,how much of the lead found here in a city as old as paris is due to the fire. government officials insist they ar taking it seriously but the group filed a lawsuit demanding moretrccountability. slator: what we really want is that other cities in france, as a lot of towns in spain and italy, maybe even in the united states, that have beautiful something from thiire and thearn way it was handled. reporter: lead contamination inside the cathe sal haswed

cleanup and forced workers to wear hazmat suits. inuly, authorities offered severalia organizations a tour of the interior but not long aft issued a dramatic new warning, that the entire structure is still in danger of collapse and stabilizing the walls is a priority before turning to any restoration of the spire and roof. at the lab outside paris, she explained it this way. translator: there's a risk that notreldame's vault w be unstable, and result in more stones falling and put the public in danger so we have to establish to what exthe stones are damaged and which ones need toce be rep reporter: here scientists study how stones drenched with water in the aftmath of the fire expand or contrast as they dry. >> these vault elements have been used to make many little reporter: theylso conducting tests using lasers to

clean the stones. the test is to see if the lead can be removed by this method. >> yeah, on a small scale and then we will go to the cathedral with the machine and make wests on thels and sculptures. reporter: all of this will lead to the mainin event, rebuild and restoring notre dame. surrounding that are many mor sues. though the cathedral dates to medieval sometimes, the spire was a 19th century design by laduc. among the questions now, whether to restore the wooden and lead whether to build a replica ofand the spire. when authorities put out a public call for new designs days after the fire, instagram lit , including with some wild ideas. but the prevailing attitude seems to be rebuild it exactly as it was.

art historian felipe plannier. >> i tnk our duty is to inherited for future generations and if we can't preserve it, we should recreate it as it was before. soonan this be done?estion, how immediately after tire, french president macron promised to rebuild within fiveea, a target many saw as timed toos france'sng of the 2024 this sr, france's parliament created a new commission to oversee reconstruction, led by a former army chief. it's yet to formally meet but we talked with one member who will represent the catholic church. >> thehi most important to remember is that notre dame is cathedral,oremost a a church, place of worship. reporter: that m sound obvious but debate had swirled around notre da i for years ast

became an often overrun tourist site. the monsignor wants to use this moment to return to church valuor. >> it's int to underline that when a bishop decided to build cathedral in the middle ages, it was a project to help the poorest in society. today we're going to launch projects to help the most vulnerable in ourociety. reporter: there are so many economic and cultural, ofcal a course, and the church. there could be a crash. >> never in france. reporter: you mean always in france?f translator:ourse there will be difficulties, there will be questions, big debates. france, we like having big debates, asking questions. we can go on and on. >> we love to speak. reporter: but will the rebuilding go on and on? like others we spo with, monsignor wonders when the last stone bill finally put in place. the cathedral completely

restored and reopened. but he does hope to cebrate mass in notre dame witn the next five years. for ther,pbs newsh i'm jeffrey brown in paris. for tonight.at is the i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you and good night. announcer: major funding for the "pbs newshour"as been provided by bnsf railway, consumer cellular. supporting social entrepreneursn their solutions to the world's most pressing problems. the william and flora hewlett foundation. for more than 50 years, i advancinas and supporting institutions to promote a better world at hewlett.org. and with the ongoing support of these institutions. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute,

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tonight on kqed newsroom we talk withthe newly elected district attorney chesa boudin on his remarkable victory and his iorities in office. also the am hear directly from the witnesses in the impeachment investigation of president trump . in less than two weeks millions of people will gather around the dinner table to ks celebrate thving. >> good evening and welcome to kqed newsroom. we beg tonight with interview with san francisco's newly elected district attorney, chesa boudin . last saturday deputy public defender chesa boudin declared victory in the close co