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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: the prime minister of announces his resignation, after weeks of protests that have left hureds dead. then, on the ground in afghanistan. as the u.s. resumes peace talks with the taliban, what afghan women stand to lose if the militant group returns to power. and, a death in e azon warehouse. an accident and an investigation at one of the world's largest companies. plus, "waste not." finding sources of renewable energy in surprising places. >> 100 pounds of cow manure per cow per day. we're treating it through this system and getting electricity. >> woodruff: all that anmore, on tonight's pbs newshour.
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has claimed dozens of new casualties today, among the prime minister said today he will step down. but in the streets, the killing continued, with scores more irad foreign afcorrespondentif nick schn reports on the events of this critical day. o >> schifrin:the streets of baghdad, protesters today declared victory. ey've demonsed for two months, and many gave their lives. they warned that sacrice would be worth it only if today sparked fundamental change. >> ( translated ): we consider this as the first step.an we dthe resignation of all lawmakers. >> schifrin: adel abdul-mai was a consensus candidate who struggled to deliver promised reforms. in early october, leaderless demonstrations rallied agast 15 years of failed governance, unemployme, and corruption, and called for the ent litical class'uster. n'they also criticized ira influence. today, they burned the iranian flag, and last night, torched
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the iranian nsulate in najaf. ( gunfire ) in response, security services have used deadly force. more than 400 protestors have been killed. the violence spread to iraq's south, threatening to destabilize the country. that's why today, the spokesman for iraq's most powerful shiite religious leader, grandh ayatoli sistani, spoke to followers and strongly suggested the government step aside. >> ( anslated ): we call u rn the house resentatives, from which this current government has emerg, to reconsider its optio >> schifrin: a few hours later, abdul-mahdi's office released a statement saying he would ep down so iraq could "avoid slipng into cycle of violence, chaos, and devastation." >> thenitial response of some security forces or militias to begin to engage the demonstrators with violence really caused things to spiral out of his hands very quickly. and so his remaining in office didn't have any logic anymore.
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he couldn't control the streets anymore. >> schifrin: feisel istrabadi is an academic anformer iraqi plomat. he says abdul-mahdi's resignation is unprecedented and will spark difficult horse trading in a deeply divided parliament. >> you have the same politicals parto have been an impasse for the last year and a half, having to form another government. we are in a state of deadlock, probably for some time to come. >> schifrin: protestors will be watching to ensure today was the beginning-- not the end-- of the reforms they demand. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin.oo >>uff: in the day's other news, stabbing attacks jolted britain and the netherlands atth start of the holiday season. in the first incident, a man killed two people near londonfo bridge, he washot and killed by police. officials said the man was l wearing whatked like a suicide bomb vest-utbut it turned to be a fake. what drove the attack was unclear.a >> i'm now isition to declared a terroriident.
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but i must stress, we retain an open mind as to any motive. it would be inapopriate toec ate further at this time. >> woodruf hours later, in the hague, three people, including thchildren, were stabbed o dutch city's main shopping street. police said at least one attacker was at large, and the motive was unclear. in afgnistan, thousands of people protested alleged fraud in a recount of september's presidential election. supporters of candidate abdullah abdullah marched in kabul. they claimed that fake balts are being counted. abdullah is challenging the incumbent president ashraf ghani. but so far, no results have been announced. environmental protesters staged new rallies around the world today, calling for tougher action on climate change. thousands marched in 153 countries. activists in berlin even swam in government proposal they say is
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too weak.ex in, officials declared that fires at a chemical plantw are isolated and contained, and they lifted evacuation orders for 50,000 people. major explosions eruptthe site on wednesday, touching offv fires and smoke. the plant owners say that it could take some time to extinguish the flames entirely. >> there's still going to beir smoke in thethere's still going to be flames visible at nigh that's going to be addressd as quickly safely as we possibly can. i wod love to tell you that we'd be done by the end of the day. i would not be telling you the truth if i madthat statement. >> woodruff: the texas gulf coast has suffered a sies of major accidents this year, in a region with the nation'sighest iencentration of oil refin and related plants. the holiday shopping season is officially under way on this black friday, and online
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shopping is tting records. retail trackers estimate shoppers could spend $7 billion today alone. but critics of consumerism clogged department stores across europe today.ot and ters rallied outside amazon's headquarters in france. onall street, doubts about traditional retailers hurt stocks, as trading ended early for the holiday weekend. the dow jones industrial average lost 112 points to close at the nasdaq fell 39 points, ande ths&p 500 slipped 12. ill to come on the newshour: what the women of afghanistanse could f the taliban returns to power.in employee at an amawarehouse. "waste not, want not." finding renewably energy in unlikely places. mark shields and david brooks amine the white house's respon to the impeachment inquiry.
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and, much more. >> woodruff: president trump returned early this morning from a surprise trip to afghanistan, where he said that talks between the u.s. and the taliban had restarted. at stake, the fate of peace in the war-torn nation. but also at stake, progress for women there, who when ruled by the taliban, could not work, study or even leave the house without a male escort. special correspondent jane ferguson reports. >> reporter: in one of theug tost countries in the world to be a woman, this clinic offers a refuge. the afghan women visiting dr. najmussama shefajo this morning will get some of the best care in the c>>ntry. his is x-ray of the uterus
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and the fallopian tubes. >> reporter: she is one ofis afghann's top gynecologists, an expert on women's reproductive health. dr. shefajo gave us a tour of teher clinic, full of the technology, that she imported herself. for the patien that you see, how important is this sort of equipment? for the patient, we rea diagnosis soon and there is no need to go out of the teuntry. >> rep so it saves lives? >> yeah, of cose. >> reporter: to the doctor, interactiowith her patients is important. here the mothers s the baby, her own ultrasound. how do they react? >> they are very happy. right now, they know "this is the head, this is the heart, this is the stomach," because i teach them. >> reporter: that's one reason women love coming here. it would have beenbsolutely unthinkable for afghan women to have this kind of technology 20,
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or even just ten years ago, for dr. shefajo knows that all tooll she began her career delivering babies on mud floo in taliban- controlled parts of the country. when you were rking under taliban rule, did you ever imagine that one day you would have a clinic like this? >> i had a hope. >> reporter:ou pictured it? >> yeah. >> reporter: since the u.s. invasion, afghan women like dr. shefajo have, through their own hard work and self-belief,in built edible new lives. that's why, today, they watchnx the newsusly. a major campaign promise by president trump was to bring american troops home and in september, he came close to making a deal with th taliban, after more than nine months of negotiations in tar... negotiations wher afghan women quite literally had no seat at the tabn . the talibaruled afghanistan from 1996 unl their ouster by u.s.-led forces in 2001.
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that was a deeply crl time for afghan women. the taliban's harsh c interpretation of islamiw afforded them virtually no rights. trump's deal has fallen apart for now, but women like freshta karim are afraid their rights could still be pushed aside to make it happen. she's part of a new generation-- educated afghan women completely invested in this country's future. she discovered afgn children had trouble getting hold of books to read, so she gathered donations and bought a few old buses and turned them into mobile libraries. we joined freshta in one poor neighborhood of kabul on her way to a school. >> it allows them to have general knowledge and broaden their horizons of life and inspire them.in ire them to think about what they want to be. and also understand different characters roles, to putse themes into different characters' shoes, to understand complex human feelings, and i think this all adds to one's critical thinking.
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>> reporter: freshta won a scholarship to sdy for a master's degree in public policy at oxford university after returning to afghanistan, took a job as an analyst with the government. but her heart was elsewhere. h whenever i would work w children, that would make me happy, because afghanistan is one of the youngest countries in muthe world, and it made s sense to me to work with people who will be the future of this country. >> reporter: how do you keeppe l, keep motivated and keep inspired to keep doing this work? >> i think children. we have the responsibility to create that opportunity for them to meet their poteial. >> reporter: her potential is at stake, however, if the taliban returns to power. >> i think many of us-- or at least i can talk about myself. i might push back for long as i can. to rest and to fight for the city that we have builts. oursel >> reporter: outside major cities, much of life looks similar to the way it did under taliban rule. child marriage is rampant, as is
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violence against women. sometimes, they have even been but it's in e home that women are most at ri. those that escape abusive husbands are the lucky ones. >> ( translated ): the day i left home, my husband had beaten me very badly and i had injuries on my head. so i left withy children and ran to the police station. >> reporter: this young woman,n' whom we name for her own safety, is one of them. the policerought her to this shelter. her husband, s says, is a violt drug addict. >> ( translated ): when he was boating me, i was thinking how i could run away, but how would i raise the children and keep them in school? >> reporter: amid a climate of fear and intimidation, even the sheltersan be vulnerable places. this one is managed by a u.s.- based charity, and those who run tell us people in the community still opposed to women's rights spread li about the shelters, and the facilities come under attack. even the location is kept secret, and we are not allowed
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to film anhinghat could betray where it is. but for thousands of battered women who have come through here, it's a lifeline. women like this 22-year-old,ho escaped her abusive husband six months ago >> my husband was a drug smuggler, and he always used to keep knives and guns. every night i thought he might kill me. >> reporter: if this shelter wasn't here, where would you have gone? >> ( translated ): if there had not been a slter like this, i might ve killed myself, because there is no place for a woman to go if there are not these elters. >> reporter: elsewhere in kabul, we see what she means. the bus unit at istiklalnt governospital is a depressing place, not just because of the pow cuts and h pooriene. dr. abdul khaled waqila has seen an increase in self-immolation-- women uring gasoline over themselves and lighting a match. ti>> it is only the burns ts
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who come to us. those who t poison or do something else to themselves go to another part of the hospital. so i c only say that the easiest ing for them to use is petrol. they have accesso it. >> reporter: sat on the edge of her bed, and completely alone, this young woman has burns across much her body and a de gash across over her throat. she responds to questions with just a whisper. at first, she told the doctoit was an accident, b later confided, it wasn't. there arlaws to protect women in afghanistan, but where the letter of that law becomes enforcement is the bigger challenge. >> there is a huge distance i between laws alementation. >> reporter: shaharzad akbar is the new head of afghanistan's human rights commission. >> it requires not only changing the legal framework-- which there ha been improvements in changing the mentand- but also behavior of people who deliver stice across afghanistan >> reporter: akbar won a scholarship to study abroad, and
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completed a master's degree at smith college in massachusts. she wanted to apply that education to making life better for women in afghanistan. for many women i know they aspire to lives different ander behan their mothers. for some, it's as simple as saying, "you know what?cc i want to haves to a clinic when i give birth." that's it. i'm not inrested in education, ngm not interested in beco pilot. i want to marry, i want to have children. but i know it's my right to have access to health care when igi birth. >> reporter: at just 32 years old, she feelsuge pressure to lead the way for other afghan women. >> it changes a lot for ther younrls who are watching us. every day, i am conscious of being watched. >> reporter: they also watch to see what choices powerful politicians are making. if the taliban were to return to power, she says, afghanistan's women risk losing ever. >> women were stoned by them, this is continuously happeningd
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in areas under their control. now imaginthe possibility of them not only coming back to power, but also determining what the laws of afghanista look like. that's really scary. >> reporter: flying up to badakhshan province in the rural north of afghanistan, we met with a group of 83 taliban fighters who had surrendered to government forces just a few b daore. we challenged them on their attitudes. if the taliban come back into power, how will things be different for women this time around? >> ( translated ): there should be some changes.un like iersity with coeducation. there should not be things like that. like you standing here and not covering yourself, wearing this kind of tight clothing. it's not allowed. go reporter: would you work with female leaders irnment? >> ( translated ): we are not against women's education, wecause we do ne doctors need educated females. but it should be in a framework ofslamicrinciples. >> reporter: but back in kabul,
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dr. najmsama shefajo tells us she sees a different interpretation of islamic principles alreadyeing applied by women in their lives every day, with the service they provide through thei professions. >>ur rig to work, our right to serve the people, our right for our professionalism, our right to serve for our family. we want our right as a woman, as a doctor, as a mother, as an afghan, as a muslim. >> reporter: you have daughters. what do you hope for their future? how do you picture it?r >> for my elughter, i want her to be a pilot. she is also interested to travel but for the others, they are interested to be a doctor. >> reporter: like their mom. as politicians negotiate with the taliban to end the war, afghan women risk losing their hard-fought freedoms and rights. they could end up paying the highest a devastating price forc in afghanistan. for the pbs newshour, i'm jane ferguson, in kabul, afghanistan.
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>> woodruff: on wednesday, weaf examinedy rates at amazon facilities using never-before-co public injury s from 23 warehouses across the 20untry, representing abou of amazon's fulfillment centers. mo of those sites had high injury rates than the industry average,rom two to as much as six times higher. tonight, will evans of reveal from the center r investigative reporting looks into one particular case that raises queions about how regulators and government officials deal with potential safety violations at the global company. >> reporter: john stallone has been a safety professional for nine years. >> thesere from all years doing construction safety and industrial safety. >> reporter: in a way,the family business-- his father worked as a top state government safety official.
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>> i think it runs in our blood and in the fact that we want to help people when we can. >> reporter: two years ago, w working for the indiana state branch of the occupational safety and health ministration, or osha, when he was called to investigate an outside of indianapolis.re >> there's an emergency in the maintenance area. >> is he conscious and breathing? >> reporter:hillip lee terryha been dng maintenance on a forklift. a security camera captured the accident.ou >> clearly you see that he's underneath this, there's nothing protecting him. >> reporter: t heavy forks andpl metaform suddenly fell, crushing terry and kilng him. his body lay there nearly two hours bere a co-worker found him. stallone realized that about five feet from wrehe accident took place was a safety device that should have been used. >> the thing that was most bothersome to was, that right there is the stand, that's the jack.
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you'd actually put this underneath the forto make sure that they don't come down. nothing was used. why don't they know they need to block those forks so ty don't fall down? >> reporter: stallone concluded that amazon failed to provide adequate training. in interviewwith terry's coworkers, stallone's notes show one employee even said there was "no trainingno safety: it's 'get'er done'." >> it was shocking. i was under the assumption that they would havhad a really good safety culture to begin with. >> reporter: amazon declined repeated requests for an interview, but sent a written statement saying it could not comment on the specifics of terry's deatdue to privacy concerns. it would only say that, "during the inspection and follow-up discussions with indiana osha, we provided mr. terry's training records." t stallone said the training records amazon gave him did not relate to the forklift terry was working on.t >>s devastating to all of us, because he meant so much to ea and every one opaus, being thiarch of our family. losing him was indescribable.
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son, says his fath very, lee's organized and responsible. >> y anger built up because of everything that's happened. but, you know, my big thing is honoring my dad's memory and who he was as a rson. >> reporter: indiana osha gave amazonour citationfor serious workplace safety violations, with fines totaling. $28, but the case didn't end there. soon after, stallone'soss held a conference call with amazon's lawyers and discussed ways the company could reduce its fines. one strategy would be to blame the accident on "employee misconduct." >> it's very unorthodox to have someone at is in tt kind of a management position-- you know, it's like beinat a card table and having a dealer teach you how to count cards. >> reporter: right after the call, stallone's boss, indiana osha director julie alexander,
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told him ty might change his citations. stallone secretly taped the conversation, which is legal in indiana.op >> iyou don't take it personally if we have to >> i think all four of themty. prtrong on their own, but i get paid by the wur. you t you got to do. >> reporter: stallone wasps especially that she speculated on the worker's responsibility for his own death. >> i'm guessing the guy was probably on drugs or something. >> reporter: to be clethe toxicology report shows that phillip lee terry had nothing in his system other thatine and caffeine. osha directoalexander ignored repeated requests for an interview. a former amazosafety manager, who asked not to be identified, says that terry's death should have been a wa up call. >> there's nobody checking up on a guy that's doing dangerous work under an-- under elevated forks like that.
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that, to me, like, there's several breakdowns there.r: >> repore says it's wrong to blame terry's death on" emoyee misconduct." >> there's no way that would be misconduct. if there was any misconduct there, it's putting a person that has little to no experience and working on this piece of equipment. there's your misconduct. whoever allowed that to happen. that's the misconduct. >> reporter: when osha inspector stallone pushed for amazon to face penalties, he says he found himself in the office of the can you remember what they saidl ex >> just, you need to back off. u need to back off in th case. you don't need to push this. and you feel if you'ng to, then you need to resign. >> reporter: and they e specifically brought up ct that amazon might bring its second headquarters to indiana. >> correct. >> reporter: theovernor and
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the state officials deny that this meeting took place. r and declineated requests for an interview. a state labor department hespokesperson even called claim "bizarre and fantastical"" but we saw an email stallone sent to a federal government official after the meeting, sounding the alarm about political inteerence in the case. stallone says he quit soon after the meeting, and documents show the indiana labor departnt dropped all penalties against amazon. the department said amazon provid proof that terry was properly trained and the accident was the result of"em oyee misconduct." the former amazon safety manager feels that, even from the company's standpoint, this was the wrong outcome. it bothers you that those citations were deleted? >> it does. it bothers me a lot, because somebody lost theilife.fi ting the citation, versus saying, hey, i'm going to problem, and we're going to fix
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it, are two different things.li it sounds to m we took an easy path instead of taking the difficult path. r orter: three weeks after the citationwere dropped, the governor appearod in an amazon d-table event. >> the governor said he's still o ing with the major online retailer, tryingnd the second headquarters by answering any questions the company might still have. >> obviously, our tax regulatory climates are very--no just attractive, but enticing.an and weto grow together. >> reporter: ultimately, indiana lost its bid for amazon's headquarters. but stallone believes the wayla rers bent over backwards to help amazon just makes accidents more likely to happen in the future. >> you were gambling with people's liv every day. and that doesn't seem like you should get a pass. you have to hold people's feet to the fire. you have to be accountable for
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what they did or did not provide. >> reporter: this is will evans r reveal and pbs newshour in plainfield, indiana. >> woodruff: in the final episode of our special seriesis eek on "food waste," we look at some innovative solutions being developed toit dealthe growing problem of spoiled and surplus food in this country.rr special pondent alison aubrey visited a ste where dairy farmers are using it tos power their fad more. >> reporter: it's burger night at barstow's dairy and bakery at ngview farm in hadley, iomassachusetts, and the per valley string band has drawn a crowd. as advertised, the burgers are" born and raised" here. but, the cows onhis farm
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produce more thajust meat. >> 100 pounds of cow mure per cow per day, and where does it all go? we're treating it through this system and getting electricity. >> reporter: denise barstow is a seventh-generation farmer and the system she's talking about is an anaerobic digester. those green towers are part of it. barstow is one of a handful of dairy farmers in massachusetts using this technology. just down the road, dairy farmer peter melnick is, too. >> we are taking food waste from all over the greater boston area and our very own cow manure. m them together in the digester vessel and make electricit >> reporter: this land has been in melnick's family for four generaons. but times are tough for dairy farmers, so melnick has diveified. his land is now part farm, part renewable energy plant.oc the prs starts here.s
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>> thiis the manure pit, as we i like to call >> reporter: but he needs more than manure. the trick to making this waste- to-energy system profitablmeis volume, anick has found an abundant source. millns of pounds each year o surplus and spoiled food that would otise be destined for a landfill, now arrives at his farm in trucks like this. the food saps are ground up into a liquid slurry that gets pumped into this pit.dd the more youthe more electricity you can make. the waste comefrom all over. there's unsoldroduce from whole foods, scraps and whey from a cabot butter plant, and spent grain from a local brewery. >> inside the digester it's about a million gallon tank. it's heated to 105 degrees and inside there are tiny microbes. >> reporter: microbes from these cow's digestive tracks and the
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rotting food produce methane, which is usually released into the atmosphere, aying a role in climate change. but here, when the gas is captured, it's stored in these big black bubbles, and melnick it. actually generate power from >> we produce a megawatt of electricity every ur. >> reporter: so how much is that? >> enough to power the digester and the dairy farm, our houses and outbuildings out here, and we still have 90% of our electricity left over to be put >> reporter: and ter 90%, it powers some of the businesses that send their food waste to the digesters. it also powers two local towns. they're able to purchase it at a 10% to 1 discount. >> we are getting about $100,000 in savings. >> reporter: the digesters are
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built and run by a company called vanguard renewables. the company pays farmers a fee for the use of theirand, and gives them free electricity to power their farms and houses. in aition to the economic boost, melnick says he likes the environmental benefits. >> i don't need an app or an environmental calculator to tell me that this makes sense, this whole closed loop system, but it's really been neat to see the connection between all the food companies. >> reporter: one player in this loop is whole foods. 17 of their stores participate.0 they ship 50 t0 tons of food digesters.y week to their at the stores, they grind up food they can't sell or donate, and then truck it to melnick's farm. ole foods karen francykzex ains. >> anything that goes to landfill or incineration costsus ore money. that is the most expensive way to get rid of waste in ouror . >> reporter: so, sending waste to the anaerobic digester is cheaper, and reduces the
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ecological footprint. up to 10% of all greenhouse gas emissions are linked to food waste. and in 2014, massachusetts passed a law to s n food companom sending their waste to landfills. it applies to all businesses that generate over a ton of food ste a week. so far, four other states in the u.s. have passedimilar bans. john majercak is presint of the center for ecotechnology, a non-profit that lps businesses in massachusetts save energy and reduce waste. >> to transport food waste super-long distances is very expensive and also wteful. so the idea was to try and put dots on a map across the state close to where the was is produced, so that it can be used to produce energy. incentivizing the pment of these digesters. >> reporter: those dots are no sprinkleacross the state, and incentives came in the form of grants, given to the companies
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to build the digesters. john hanselman, vanguard c.e.o., says he was inspired by what he saw happening in europe, where there are over 17,000 digesters. in those countries, there are government policies to promote renewable energy. >> so we saw what was happeningw in europe,re anaerobic digestion is extremely widespread, but we don't have the incentives and policies tha prome renewaergy here in the united states. i think are at the cusp, e early da. we've finally got the economics to work. >> reporter: hanselman says, ter six years in the making, he expects to ma a profit this year, and he's optimistic about the growth. this waste-to-energy approach is new in the u.s., and the extent to which it can ke off may depend on how much states or the federal government are willing to incentivize it. in massachusetts, it took two new laws, a food waste ban, a
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renewable energy law and grants to make it hn. farmer denise barstow is glad it all worked out. >> you can't just work really hard anymore and make it in the dairy industry. you have twork smart. and part of that is diversifying in a way that is better for thef land, bett the animals and better for the next neration. >> reporter: for the pbs news houri'm allison aubrey of npr news, in hadley, massachusetts. >> woodruff: and you can see all our stories on the topic of w fote on our home page at pbs.ornewshour/tag/foodwaste >> woodruff: now, here to dig ins the meat of polital n this thanksgiving week, it's time for shields and brooks.
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mark shields, and orklumnist times" columnist david brooks. hello to both of you. >> hi, judy. >> woodruff: so the impehment process, we are seeing the judiciary committee marching ahead, david. there's a hearing next week where they talk to constitutional scholars about impeachment. the committee sent a let tore the white house saying theti president hal next friday to say whether he's going to call witnesses and povide idence. meanwhile the president is saying the whole thing is a witchunt and he'not going to cooperate, but is he makg progress because the polls show him slipping in support for impeachment. >> yes, especially in swing states. the contrast will be that e democrats will treat it as a legal matter and donald trump iticalreat itike a pol matter. joe biden will say this is an uttack on you. e impeachmenters are
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divide town the middle with nobody moving on either side, so i suspect trump will see this as a tremendous w to get hisase and democrats h see it the same way, and we'll marchorrd and eventually land, and it will turn our attention to the detcratic party and i'm n sure what will have been achieved. >> woodruff: his best defgoense, ut and call it a witch hunt. >> david's such a pollyanna. judy, i think, continues to slide. it's a little bit of an overstatement. if you think --ompare this to watergat it took 26 months after the break-in at watergate, 14 months of hearingso get to the point where we are now to richard nixon, the summer of 1974, one month d,fore he resigo a point where we are with donald trump right now. and as far as -- you lookt all the polls. so does it. it's 6 since the end of october. from 47% in favor of impeachment, to 40 against.
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it's been next to no movement. i just thinkhhat we have, quite frankly, is the early stages and we're very much in the early stages and i think, you know, for us to rush to the democratic pulse with the "wall street journal" poll compares i peachment and conviction in the senate, the criminal part of the trial, the civil trial will be the election of 2020, and donald trump may verwell be not guilty in the criminal part but, right now, he's in just trible, terrible shape, looking at november of 202 you had 47% of american toay that would vote for anybody besides donald trump and 34% say they will vote for donald trump no matter who runs against him. he's in worst shape than any incumbent in my lifetime. >> woodruff: this is not about
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impeaching him and removing him from office by the congigress, t da him enough so that it happens at the polls. >> well, that's not the wa it's supposed to be. it's supposed to be to see if he did high crimes and misdemeanors. i agree, i think donald trump is in serious troubmore than most of my democratic friends do. that having been said, in swing states, the "times" set poll that gave everybody anxiety on the democratic sidowing trump winning all the swing states. we have surprisingly shockingly little data how he or impeachment is doing in swng states. we have a poll in wisconsin which was 40% suprt, 55% oppose, so if that's the way the swing states are reacting, then that's not a good thing, because this is not going to looking at the whole country views this, it thll be hoe swing voters are viewing it, and whether the democrats want too a watergate style or length soviet hearings, it seems tme that's highly problematic. i think there's a case as we discussed last week for brig inn mike pompeotrying to ask
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him some questions but the democrats seem so far to want do this because they want to rush this thing. that's a big philosophical do they go big and try to engineer that or get this over are with? >> the calendar is working against them, n't it mak? >> the calendar is thelendar. there is duel reality in the nominating process. but talkinabout donald trump's counter-offensive, and i think the worst mistake the democrats can make is look for a demoatic donald trump, someoneto to g to toe with him and insults hi american voters go looking for the exact opposite of wh was missing, they went for georg bush and the off the cuff anti-intellectualism, th sought the cerebral almost removepresence of barack obama. after watergate in vietnam and and all that experience, theyxon
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wanted the outsider jimmy carter. i don't thin more of somebody to go elbow to elbow or insult to insult. i think that's the appeal of pete buttigieg. he lowers the temperature, he lowers the thermostat, he lowers the rhetori he is the mr. rogers of this campaign, and i think, in thepp mostling and most flattering of ways. he's reasoned, he's reasonable and he litens. you're giving it us, mark. but, david, there has been a little bit of sh tifting e presidential landscape on the d. j. side this week. elizabeth warren slip ago litle bit -- slipping a little bit in the polls. we've seen kamala harris' campaign. michael bloomberg is spending a lot of money to ge hisame and message out. >> we in the pundit class oft put people in buckets which are based on ideology, and voters
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e not quite in the bucket that we think they're in, so we hadwa th sanders bucket and then the moderate bucket, and but people are moving straight fro warren to butgieg. people seem to go between those o. they are analytical and academickic-y and, so, they said let's get an expert with plans. people i talk to like elizabeth hrren, they just think's poisoned herself with medicare for all and they can't go for that so they want to go for buttigieg and buttigieg is doing we with a slow gradual rise. the kamala harris is remarkable. my newspaper had a story on th deconstruction of the campaign where they spoke to 50 former and current members to have the aampaign who off the record criticized thepaign and the candidate. that's amazing. they had a resignation letter from a senior official, and it was as poorly structured mpa gn as i've heard of.
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part of the headquarters is in baltimore and part e headquarters with her sister in california. who structures anything like that? that's a remarkable incident and it's hard to see how she turns around her machinery >> woodruff: a lot of talking from inside that campaign. >> you see people are more able in losing campaigns. that is the poll when people wrong anwho to blame to cover the most attractive feature in american politics. as faras elizabeth warren is happened, a real cold shower of reality intruded, judy, 194ye9,0 s ago, harry truman proposeda national lthcare, it was defeated by socialized medicine. every democratic from that point forward fought for it. and talented people, ja kennedy, jimmy carter, bill clinton, and they did their best effort. the only te it broke was
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medicare and medicaid in 65 that's 54 years ago. that was lyndon johnson because of the goldwat landslide. finally in 2010, the democrats get it. give barack obama credit, nancy pelo cost a lot of people their careers and seats, cost and democrats the majorit took seven more years before people said they were favorable. now the idea that y're going to pass medicare for all with the wrist of your hand is absolutely blowing smoke. f-delusion, self-deception. it's going to require careers and the same kind of effort. bill brad riput in four years of working on tax refform, which anything is a lot less tough. >> woodruff: you're saying warren. >> cold shower, nice to talk about it, it ain't going to happen. >> woodruff: you heard it here. so we are in thanksgiving week, and i can't let you get away without asking both ofou what do we have to be thankful for?
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david? >> i'm thankful that we didn't begin our career i in this eraw. aw what real politics was nohaally like. been thinking about the quality of thankiving. we've had a healthy exercise in the country on racial justice, the treatment of native americans. hiche laid open the sins have to be laid open, but you have to love your country equally after being aware andtt payingtion to the sins. so being born or living in the most amazing country on the face of the earth is something you can even still say after looking at this joane and all the other stuff, it's possible testify a mure love for your country. >> woodruff: good to have aun y that keeps renewing itself. >> after standing in awe of mariev yoanovitch and others, my
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admiration and gratitude for public employees, of doesensy d patriotism who put their careers at risk to speak truth to power and the americ people, i'm grateful for it. this is the 19th year david and i have spon on the "newshour". i havn e spoupid things and not once did david take a cheapi sh his friendship an decency. >> woodruff: this is a place whre people treat each other with more respect. and ul are thankft the "newshour" for the two of you. mark shields, david brooks thank you. u.s. senate select committee one intelligence relsed a report
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the torture tactics the c.i.a. used on terror suspectsr afe 9/11 attacks. that investigation is nothe subject of a new filpo "the rert." jeffrey brown has a look, part of our ongoing arts and culture series, "canvas." >> brown: the story is straight from the headlines. >> better intelligence could have been obtained by more han methods. >>heir report, released by democrats, connds the tactics failed to produce useful information >> brown: the film portrays the real-life six-year effort by the senate select committee on intelligence to uncover the c.i.a.'s use of so-called" enhanced interrogation techniques" on terrorism attacks. following the/11 those techniques, including deprivation, were initially
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implemented at the suggestion of two u.s. air for psychologists. the torture proved ineffective,i but remainpractice at secret c.i.a. sites around the world. daniel jones was lead investigator on senator diane feinstein's intelligence committee staff. actor adam driver, known for macent roles in "blackkkla and the "star wars" sequel trilogy, portrays jones. >> after 9/11, everyone was scared.gh scared it happen ain. it was my second day of grad school. the next day, i chged all my classes to national security.: >> brones was the primary author of the report on torture. >> there are 20 findings and report which can boil down into three key findings. one is that the techniques the c.i.a. used, which most referred to as torture, resulted in false answers and did not result in unique information. >> why are so many of these guys still lying to us after you work on them? where is the special sauce? you have to make this work.
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it's only legal if it works. >> two is that techniques re far more brutal than the c.i.a. had described to congress, to the president, the department of justice. >> we improve his treatment for week or two, give him some hope, and then we go back at him hard and create a sense of helplessness. >> and three is, the program was grossly mismanaged.e i.a. did not hold officers accountable for wrongdoing. they did not set up appropriate guidelines. over and over again, we saw somn signift management failures. >>terown: scott z. burns wro and directed the film. best known for his screenplay "the bou also produced the academy award- winning documentary "an inconvenient truth." why did you think this might be a movie? >> you know, for me, it started out th both my parents are psychologists, and i grew up with some awarenprs of that ession as a thing that exists to help people. w and n i read that people had figured out a way to weaponizpsychology, i found
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that appalling. with the assertion that the program was poorly managed and executed, and that unqualified officers imposed brutal conditions, used unapproved techniques and were rarely held accounble. >> i also felt that my country had tortured people. and that that was antithetical to everything i had though and i know that may sound naive, because the c.i.a. had done that at other points in history. >> brown: jones and his team set up a secure room within a c.i.a. facility to go through the evidence. >> no paper? >> paper has a way of getting people in trouble at our place. >> aace, paper is how we keep track of laws. >> brown: investigators would face multiple hurdles put in the way by the c.i.a. and other officials, including a threat of legal action against jones. the film's narrative follows jones ase puts the puzzle pieces together.
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>> when scott first described to me his idea,hich was this almost this dark comedy erro in some ways, that was the only thing that made sense to me. i think it's the struggle of somebody to get us, you know, get the truth out and i think,kn yo, wh happened with dan, i think is kind of a tracer bullet through our political system rightow, that there aree thstems and institutions that exist to provide oversight and accountability, and yet it took a really herculean effort on dan's part and the other people, the senators on the committee, to get the story out. >> brown: the film portrays the c.i.a. and the obama administration actively tried to keep the findings from being made public, ad other national priorities. actor jon hamm portrays dennis mcdonough, preside obama's chief of staff. annette benning is senator diane feinstein.
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>> when this administration took office, we faced the very real possibility of economic collapse. we spend our political capital on going around trying to find people to blame, or do we solve the problem? >> maybe the way to solve the problem is to hold people accountable. do you ever wonder why history repeats itself? well, i think maybe it's because we don't always listen the first time. >> brown: director burns says he felt it was important to depict some of torture. >> you know, it was probably the part of the film that i woed and agonized the most over, through the edit and throughit g, through every aspect. and there were early drafts where i wondered if we could tell the story withowing anything.oa >> they wateed him 183 times, and then concluded k.s.m. may never be forthcoming or honest. meerything they got from him was either a lie or ing they already had. so, my first quest, if i
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works, why do you need to do it 183 times? >> maybe when the report comes out, people will finally see that. >> the reason why abu was such a sea change in this whole story is, people saw these things and, you know, obviousl as someone who works in a visual art form, pictures do paint thousands of words. and i felt unless i show the audience enough of what really happened, they wouldn't uly understand the trespasses against the law and against human dignity. but when i st it, i tried to make it more about the torturers than the torture, because a lot of these people did do criminal. ac e >> brown: innd, after the years-long drama, daniel jones says the system worked. >> we did get a report out. it's 525 pages. it has redactis. but we did get the report out.po the was released, and i think that's really to the testament of what the senators
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did, of that committee. ey really were committed to this and committed to getting it out in pubc. >> brown: do you do you feel that you told a positive story or a warning story? what is it? >> well, as a filmmaker, i don't feel like i get to decide what the audice should feel at the end. you knowi know how i feel, which is, i am--oy am greatly by the fact that this country did put that report out. don't know that there's another country otr than maybe canada that would, you know, that would have even allowed this kind of investigati. s nown: "the report" streaming on amazon prime video. for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown at the toronto international film festival. >> woodruff: another movie for
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>> hello, everyone, and welcome to "amanpour & co." duringhis thanksgiving holiday we're taking a look back at some of our favorite interviews. so here's what's coming up. giant oil companies helped get the world into this climate crisis. are th prepared to help lead the way out? i speak to lord john browne, the former c.e.o. of bp, then, from liberator to dictator, robert mugabe dead at 95. zimbabwe's strongman in his own words. and the african singer angelique kidjo fled dictatorship in her home countrn of ben i speak with her about the liberating power of music.so ... >> recognize that emotions matter. >> ...the abcs of managing our feelings with marc brackett, director of the yale center for emotional intelligence.