tonight on a kqed newsroom. articles of impeachment is sent to the senate. there ll be a trial for president trump and about the fairness on capitol hill. a new podcast about the experiences anstruggles that shape one of california's most iconic leaders. it is the eve of martin luther king day. good evening and welcome to we begin withe impeachment of president trump in the senate. yesterday seven housed

democrats deliver the articles of impeachment against president trump. they were red by adam e schiff of the lawmakers selected by nancy pelosi to prosecute the case against donald trump. the case will start next week. the republican led senate ma not approve new witnesses or evidence. six icdemocrpresident canada's debated in iowa. bernie sanders with a slim lead over joe biden and elizabeth warren. we are joined by skype in washington dc. lcome. ron ll start with you. you are coming from the furthest away. this is the trial of the u.s. e

senate. only ird time in u.s. history that an impeachment trial has taken place. tell us how this will work and what weshould expectto happen next . >> it will be a strange trial. it will not be a conventional trial. we may nos.have witnes people will be giving speeches onehalf of the president and behalf of the managers of the house. the se tors will have tosit in their chairs a listen and not talk and not on their cell i phones fordays at a time. it will be a strange exhibition. we will nobe able to watch all of it. it will frustrating for many people . >> we learn todaykenneth starr will be on the team to join president trump. who else is on the team.

what type of signals is that sending how the trump administration wants to defend itself . >>u have robert ray that wrote the report on the client impeachment and particularly the affair. we also have pam bondi an other people that have had a lot of experience. we have named many people.is is a fox oriented team. the president is presenting not only a legal defense against impeachment the senate he presenting a defense in the court of public opinion with a

strong emphasis onpublic >> nancy pelosi decided to hold on to the articles of impeachment. she did not march them over she heon them until this mediately. it was marked here, she gained anything by doing this? ul >> i argue that she has. it has not changed for mitch mccoheell's mind. s pushing for a brief trial. you are hearing some softening among some republican senators about the questioning of e witnesses. th talk in washington they are thinking about who they would call if we do wiinde callesses in this trial. we have seen more evidence come out. one of thnirudy giul

associates had interviews this week. that will be part of the ia >> what are the biggest challenges face the managers adam schiff what is ing to be the biggest challenge in making the case. i think to ron's point about the combative nature of the team did that donald trump hali d up we are talking about adam schiff is a mild form prosecutor. nancy pelosi thought about the objects for sure as well. she wanted a diverse group. pi

she ed a bunch of litigators. she hopes they will come in there. giving the strangeness of this trial of the fact that the questions will have to be written e wn and chief justice will read them. the fact that you have people that are used to being v.on we will see how that will play out. whether they came across a strongly as the defenders of donald trump stew . >> let's go back to washington and ask ron, what do you think e that the in the strangeness around this trial in the senate, what impact will that have on communications? what can we learn about this ial as it is going on . >> it will be uncomfortable for the people that are covering it as journalists. the people that are watching get connection in whatever legal responsibilities they have or governmental responsibilities they have.

it will becurious for most americans who make care a grdet . they may have a hard time getting in to this trial. it will not look like any trial that we have seen on television or in person. it will not seem like a trial. it will seem like the senate doing business. there will be alan dershowitz. other loyals will have to with the strategy. the fact that you will bring in someone with the profile of alan dershowitz for the purpose of givinspeech whether something is impeachable give you an idea how unusual this will be as a proceeding . >> this government

accountability office ruling that the white house illegal. was id will this undercut the republicans claims that the president has not broken any ws >> this is one log in a fireof evidence. they have clearly been contravened some type away. the president says he had his timeand cannot be restrained. we will go to the question as we heard sean hannity saying if the president has done these things paintable? do we want to remove this president from office? we are rolling in e court

public opinion . >> we are talking about politics. we have not mentioned the democratic presidential debate in iowa. will the take away be what happened ter the debate? bate? here takeaways during the >> i do not know if the debate change the structure of the campaign. many people say they may id consider another cae even if they have a first choice. elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have been on the news. whether he told her that a woman could not win the white house. he says he did not she said he did. more than elizabetwarren and bernie sanders, they are go g after warrof being a liar.

this has exposed some cracks within the progressive coalitn. this is a race that is up in the air. many of the numbers that e u ether they are national in iowa or california, they are always on the margin of error. that includes joe biden and sometimes people to judge. -- pete buttigieg. >> they either like sanders or warren. 37% prefer the more moderate

candidates. 37-37. mocratic party. divided in e warning sanders need to figure out which one will get the larger share of the 37%. that is been the struggle frnn the beg. that is perhaps the subtext of the conversation in 2018 when this happened. they were trying to feel each whether they would run. sense in each other's la be too much they clearly are . >> tnk you very much for joining us from washington dc. >> thank you . >> thank you. few politicians have had such an enduri impact as

jerry brown. he is the longest-serving governor. he has served four terms. he had an election in 1974 and he was 36 years old. he wamayor of oakland. a state attorney general and a three-time presidential w candidate. ere's a new series that will explore his remarkable life through interviews recorded with the iconic leader. we have one of the producers of the political mind of jerry brown podcast. welcome . >> thank you for havingme . >> this was 45 interviews with scott shafer d who not have to do any homework to interview jerry brown. why did the e governor agto do this? >> that is a question we did not get answer to until probably the last interview

peer we figured he wanted to go to this process with us at berkeley beuse his father did 30 hours. that is why we thought he do agreed t40 hours of interviews. he lives were his greg vaughn father used to live. he is going into the family tehistory. he wto leave something behind like a diary almost for future generations to come . >> that is interestinab let's talk t is longevity in the a enpolitical when you hear him talk for 45 hours about his life what do you think were the lest importanons that he learned and that he may be taken back to politicians today? >> the longevity speaks for itself. this can be applied politicians to any race. few politicians have had a

career where they are an outsider and insider they have been an incumbent and an insider. he has had so many political lives. that in itself is such a rare commody to have for politician. he was willing to share it these lessons he has learned. >> we have a clip from the political mind of jerry brown that speaks to that. let's listen . >> your game plan is to get the inside out and the out ends. how do we want to stay? ok at the campaign poster, this was 1939. this is new and confident. it is a new, shiny object. that pois ant. whether it is a president or dogcatcher . >> he has been a politician on the inside and outse. that is very interesting.

> it is incredible. the moment jerry brown thought he was governor heas literally in the governor's office studying for the bar exam. his father was the governor. he overhears this conversation about real political power. he says this is what i want to do. suddenly the lightbulb goes of he could not ke the inside path. this was in the late 60s. this was a great time of change. i remember carrying jerry he brown press conferences in southern california. i remember him being the most and plainly confident person i

have seen. he never seen uncertain or in doubt. in your time working on this th project him were there moments where he admitted to some type of laen of conf or uncertainty? >> there were some moments where you may have felt i would ve done something differently. 1991 hegot in a facedown with the reagan administration. the confidence never wavered. that is certainly true the second time arouas governor. the real theme is to think for myself. he thought of himself as a horse and a jockey. he was the political candidate but he could also map out political campaigns for himsel . >> i remember him coming to los

angeles. after the news conference was over he was ready to do a one- on-one interview. he always insisted he asked me who are you with? what is that? why was your affiliation as a member of the media so important to jerry brown? >> i think he had a vision of how to use the press fohis own gain. he rose in politi during the time of change. to you can go every town in california and speak to the newspaper editor. he noon that was not how you are going to wednesday ride. you would have to put our commercials and by airtime. this is a time wherpolitics is transitioning from a game of the newspaper and radio to television running the show.

he lived through that transition. he was well aware of symbols he could display through th television and ho would come off. he took office in 1975 giving up the limousine and driving a blue plymouth. that was the image that stayed with us. in 2011 he vetoed the state budget. he agreed to a new state budget. the image was he would not take this funny budget from the legislature . >> three presidential runs. none of them were successful. what did he ? arn from th what did he learn from the fee? >> there was a different lesson each time around. he be jimmy carter in the er nurimaries. he saw the value of being a fresh face. you can see that in today's democratic primary. you have peoplet that do have a long record. that can play to yoad

ntage. he found that out in 1980. he needed to have a clear message on his issues. that is very hard when you are renting a presidential campai . >> you can hear her of the political mind of jerry brown on our website. the nation will observe martin luther king junior a day. he would have turned 91 years old.hi when your befores assassination as protest against the vietnam d war grippethe nation he delivered a speech at church innew york city. kicks plane why he opposed the war. that included the toll was taking on poor black communities. there's a new inrecoof beyond vietnam speech has been discovered and made available for new generation to hear. with me now is a professor of

history and the director of the martin luther king education center at stanford university . >> it is 1967. the protests are happening. dr. king decides to share hiow thoughts about the war. people were gathered at the riverside church. why is this speech important why is it so significant? d been concerned about the e war. he was concerned about issu beyond civil rights. with the war in vietnam and the escalation of racial tensions in the urban north he wanted too rent -- return his roots and return to social issues.

there is a document that we have in 1948 he tahied about mission as a minister to deal with economic insecurity. he does not mention civil rights. this is a return to his roots . >> let's hear it an excerpt from that speech. this is the moment where he talkacabout young men in un poor coies. he was trying to convince them to be nonviolent and expressing their disappointment in what is happening in the worlth reply he keeps on getting back is what about vietnam . >>th were using doses of violence to solve its problems. to bring about the changes that e questions hit home. i knew i could never gain

against the violence in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the engreates vi in the world today. that was my own government. for the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for thsake of the hundreds and thousands traveling under the violence i cannot be silent. >> i had never heard dr. king's voice so clearly til i heard this new recording. i am curious what pact it ha had on you. you have been studying martin luther king junior for decades . >> this was so remarkable. we were already in work. we may be another war. to have his voice coming back

in such a clear way. it is like the technology has allowed us to experience this in a new way in a new era. particularly for younger people that have not been able to experience dr. king to see him come alive, at is a remarkable . >> i know what you are saying. obviously as someone in s early 50s i have had a lot of exposure to his legacy. my worry was as as images still images, everything that we hearclbecome rer and more clear, we would start to appreciate less of all of the things that he said. this is a fresh take . lo >> is like we could go d back and look color rather than in black and white. this is with the best of

technology. i think his voice still resonates toy. i really thinat was his most controversial speech and also his most important . >> what other passengers -- s passagod out when you heard that speech? >> only do not have a revolution of values we will be fighting vietnam in the future. what he is referring to are the wars that we get involved in because we did not understand who we are fighting against. we see the world through our eyes rather than having empathy for the peopthat we are fighting. that was something he understood. just the priority of war.

the vast amount of resources that we spend on war rather than dealing with the problems at home . >> there is a theme in . the speech the moment when he calls out the people who are king him why do you want to say something about the vietnam war. you do not have to say something about this war. you can focus on civil rights. in this speech and in a couple of others he seems to be sayinge the pethat are asking me these questions do not know me. the people that inquire do not know who i am. k what do you thit was important in this moment to ask who he was . you can nd some anger in that. there was certainly frustration. people want to put him in a box of eight civil rights leader.

as a civil rights leader cannot speak out on other issues. he also saw raa sm. ack leader cannot speak out on foreign policy issues. the response was confirmed. what was significant was he was going to get a great deal of criticism. rongly expressed his views. he said he was going to be criticized anyway the way he should speak out. >> what you think dr. king would say out race relations today? would he be able to express himself clearly in today's world? >> when we go back to the thlas book he wrote we have not answered his question. he was talking at the end of the civil rights era. he was asking where we go fr here. we have not answered that question .

>> thank you so much . >> thank you for having me . ca >> you hear the new recordings of martin luther king speech. that will do it for us. you can find more of our coverage on our website. thank you for joining us. live the dream.

robert: newaw lyers, new developments andew questions. the senate trial begins with an th to be impartial. i do. robert: but partisan battles rage. >> house democrats may deended into pureal facm but the united states must not. >> what i at stake here is the constitution of the united states. this is whatchn impnt is about. the president violated his oath of office. robert: as the president builds his legal team, senators clash over possible witnesses, fro john bolton to perhaps even hunter biden, all as e 2020 election looms, next. ♪ announcer: this is "washington week."