tonight on kqed ws room. they are making their case against donald trump. there are new revolutions in the hacking of amazon ceos phone. have the latest on the impeachment tire of donald trump. it is the third and final day of house democrats for the opening remarks from the democratics. adam schiff began by calling on

senators saying what type of democracy we ought to be rejecting witnesses would add to the obstruction chargeru donald's legal team will start saturday morning. they can make their case. they have the same rules that apply to the house managers. we have marissa lagos and sean walsh. >> shall not start with you. what is the main take away fr this week? >> nothing has changed. if anything the pollhave slipped in regards to people's views. the democrats have not made their case. mitch mcconnell is holding fast with the role changes. i think this will over a week and a half . >> how wathe public taking this in? is there fatigue? your average pedoes not gue.

have 68 hours to watch c-span. i disagree, i think it is still early. there have been a few polls this week. we need more time w to see people tiare re. i agree if you have beenpaying attention since this story broke in september and october the facts have not changed this s week. republic not want those facts to change. no they do want an expansion of evidence. >> is there any circumstance in which the senate will vote to remove this president? >> none. there would have to be an absolute l bombshof showing donald trump and putting in a steam bath together.

>> we are talking about 20 ha republicans woul to switch sides . >> elections are decided by a razor thin margin. if you are perceived not tobe loyal to donald trump than a number of them will not show up and you lllose. they are about self- preservation. there was this to be done in gunn on as possible . >> one interes this potential vote on witnesses. whether the democrats want republicans like susan collins and lisa murkowski to get the vote. they may get some liwitnesses john bolton. away from up political perspeziive democrats orga of the field may prefer the republicans take the boat on e report inside.

then they cannot use it in the reelection campaign. >>ent you both brought up b joton history will come out whether it is in a book or whether it is in time for people to hear during the proceedings. do you see as scitario where mcconnell besides we may want to bring him in? is there an absolutely no way . >> none whsoever from mitch mcconnell's perspective. he does not want to give up the goodies or the testimony where he could cost himself millions of dollars. he does not want to be the john dean of this administration. they are thinking about the they are thinabout regulatins being rolled back. john bolton does not want to be the guy that is percved as

being the traitorous to bl rean . >> we have heard the stories about the senators llg asleep and taking breaks. how have yoviewed your party this week? >> the senate republicans have done fine. s i think the democrmade a big mistake. jerry nadler said something and it turned off susan collins and other moderate republicans. it made it easier for them to push back on democrats and witnesses changing the rules . >> this is a california story. we have people like adam schiffh beinstars from . the sh

let's hear from him. this was a speech on thursday night. >> ithink all of us in this room have grown up in a generation where we live withmo freedom than the one cathat before. we had freedom of speech an association. freedom to practice our faith practice was at home and all over the world. i think we came tobelieve this was the law of nature. only tofind it is not. only come to the realization there is no guarantee that people will live in more freedom than today. fo the prospect our children is endoued . >>can hear him talking about the idea erof prng democracy for future generations. how would you rate his

performance? >> he has been great. he laid out a case. even lindsey graham had sothing nice to stay. i am interested how that lawyers will respond. if you look at everything so far today is noabout the substance. among republicaneven what e we saw in some of the earlier statements the lawyers from the white house. they want to defend donald trump's actions. it is clear cut out what haphened in the e call. the transcript was released. i think it will be fascinating to see if it feels like a true courtroom where we have the defense coming up intrying to answer the questions. will it be more of a process. will they takethe full 24 hours? >> tomorrow is a saturday. >> maybe they do not want

anyoyb watching this. that is part of it . >> they do not. a there isvirus in china. you have seen bodies lining up at the hospitals in china. they are not focused on their tv screens. if you are a republican you want this dead and gone. you want to move on. you do not want this debated discussed. >> we will expect to see counterprogramming come from the dona trump ni adration. the prime minister of will come washington. what will be the deflection approach next week from the president? >> is sounds a controversy all

trip. i am not surebut will go anywhere. i think of the president will talk about something else . >> what does impeacent mean for the 2020 t election. i'm just talking about the presidential election but also about the senate . >> i think it will an ac wash. i think they wanted political calculus. nancy pelosi will want to additional seats on that house. it is an acid wash on republicans for them renting an office. if you are a republican you are held hostage. you cannot criticize the president. if you go out and promote donald trump you will gemo rate republicans doing so. silence is golden. you do nohave to explain what you do not say. >> i would say yes, if everything goes the way we

expected to and there are not witnesses and it is wrapped up to the iowa caucuses. let's not forget how short ofan attention this country has. if you look at the overall polling there has been some movement towards democrats in recent months. to your point earlier it may not change the calculus of the world map. so much of the presidential race and some of the senate races are about other issues . >> what is the inside discussion within the california republican party on this right now? >> it is turnout. there was a wave mostly with hee women. ifcan pick up one or two congressional seats that they lost they will call the rt victory. the is back on the move.

the goal is that the bar is low for the california republican party. on the national stage it is a different story. the republicans want to take back congress. they think it bernie sanders or elizabeth warren are the nominees many the stes are swing states they will be too radical. what we heard about adam schiff talk about shiteym said freedom is not what the democrats want. that is threpublican play. >> thanks to both of you for making time for us. kqed correspondence . it is great to haveyou both. >> thank you. silicon valley shgot a k when officials close to the saturday crown prince they had knowledge of a plan to hack the phone of amazon founder jeff bezos. jeff bezos's phonwas hacked last year. that led to the revelation of

extra motor affair. le goog was the fourth company to reach a $20 in market value. -- a jillion dollars market value. here's joey o wentz and miael hill sec. welcome to you both. >> it is good to be here. yo let's start withmichael. you are talking about that silicon valleywill not dealing saudi arabia as toxic to take investment from . >> that is right. l the big scanthat is connected is the killing of the column is r the washington post. he was murder. it is ll-established that he

was murdered by the saudi regime in 2018. the point that i made if that has not caused the saudi regime to be toxic as an investor or as an investment destination then this word that the regime may have had jeff bezos's phone may not do it either . >> we are not just talking about spokane valley we are talkllg about ood and other industry. they are entrenched about taking money from saudi arabia . >> many amican companies see saudi arabia as a growing market opportunity. we have seen hotel companies like marriott starting deals. weave seen construction companies signing deals. we see hi-tech companies showing interest in investing -- industrial infrastr. l share many of those are going in.

capital has no liinherent mo. individuals make these decisions on where to invest and who to take money from. at this point there is very little evidence that anyone is saying we should not be doing business with a saudi arabia . >> not only to take ney from it also will to take direction the saudi's own aboard seed on huber. -- uber. >> i mentioned penske media they took $200 mifrom saudi arabia in 2018. the saudi investme still there. it looks like it is part of the kingdom's effort to control the

>> you mention also an endeavor. they dig give the money back o úkilling. mal khashoggi whatwe know at this point about the mechanics on how this is carried out? >> they examined the iphone of jeff bezos. they could say with 100% confidence this is what dated. after he received a message. they did not save he clicked on it or not all of a sudden he started to send data from his iphone towards saudi arabia. they said this is probably why did it. there have been doubts from other people. they should be able to get frmo this phone and from this message. the former ief security officer from faceb

wall street journal hebelieves if they had jailbreak the phone if they coulget more of the message they should be able to tell us more . >> there is so much money from saudi arabia and silicon valley. there are they stage companies still in start up de that ar desperate for capital . >> they are. right now we have many startups desperate for cash. we are seeing austerit many of the late ststages tups. they are starting to lay people off and want to look better for ipo. if they can find money to give them time get to ipo and look better they will take whatever money they can get at this point. there are not many people willingto give money to late

stage startups. amazon got there. microsoft is still there as is apple. what makes google different? >> google is different. there. never officially made it ther closed at the level. google joins apple and microsoft. ose were different generations of companies. ogle is the cond generation. for it to make it there there is lesser revenuesand lesser finances. the different parts within alphabet beyond google search but you are talking about d youtube her businesses that google ownsare potentially very valuable. that is what the investors see. they are not scared of antitrust. if you're looking at it from an investnt perspective and they broke up after bed they may be worth more. that is one stof the fun games wall street can play.

what is youtube word? >> the lack of transparent these units make. what is your take on this? are investors complacent about the antitrust police y break alphabet and google . >> they are skeptical like something like that will have an -- happened. there is a company breaki up onis is complicated .this effort would have to go before a judge and an appeals court maybe the supreme court. it is fair to say even if i iemocratic administration to break up alphabet and any other big tech companies as elizabeth warren have threatened.

the ultimate breakuwill not resemble a thpure investment she has been talking about or anyone else has been talking about . >> dear me i want to touch briefly on the area that you have been reporting a loon. the streaming war is in 2020. could he think will be the big winner this year? >> it is about holding on for netflix. if netflix cahold on to its evaluation and will onhave if netflix can maintain this year. i think it will appear what we see and what will we see more is consumers bouncing around frg the stream services. it is unlike a cable ndle. you sign up for a month and you can bounce around. i think we'll see consumers doing that more and more. netflix has to find a way to ke people stick around and do not leave to sign up for pappl

s and disney plus and some of the other lirvices coming . jeremy all went here in san francisco. thank you so muchto both of you. a former hunting serial killer. r resistance fighter planning assassination. these are the few characters you will see at the san francisco film city festival. it will be at the castro theatre. their suffering with style. this effort will go global. for the first time e 10 day festival will have foreign-made film. this will bake an average person do the wrong thing. we have the founder president

of the film noir foundation . >> this happened in the 20th century. primarily in hollywood. it is not exclusively in stly they are crime films as you happily put it. people that are doing the right thing and they do it anyway. ay theythe consequences. i appreciate the suffering with style. i guaranteed the audience does not suffer. ca they get to ously watch other people suffer on-screen. the films are entertaining . >> the genre originated when hollywood was used to putting happy endings on everything . >> it has stood the test of time. it stands out so much as the

movement. in hollywood artists that wanted to tell all types of stories. when the pictures began to talk in the early 1930s en the depression hit. hollywood was asked to do its duty and make uplifting films to get people to the depression. as soon as the depression ended we entered the world war. the same thing applies. you cannot tell grady truthful stories. you have to boost the public's morale. one the odd consequences of winning world war ii is the artist got to be libeted to tell stories they wanted to tell. they do not necessarily have a happy ending. an this is the -meth of hollywood. in fsom noir not much the case .

you did is all over the country in the world. how is san frcisco different from doing the festival in paris? >> i cannot speak to paris. i have done a film series in paris. it was successful. paris is the most animal loving city in the world. there is no question san francisco is the most sophisticated moegoing community in america. i do not want to say i this. pe this does not get out to the rest of the country. none of the other festivals compared tosan francisco. i am able to raise money for the noir foundation. i can restore films that are laws. the theater seats op1400 . it is a cultural institution. this is our 18th year doing it . >> this year is a departure for you. you are used to doing american

films. all of the films e global. was it hard to find content? s >> yes this a real challenge. this year's festival was a challenge. it was rtit. this is the one i am most excited about. just because i love the idea of tuceing an audion two things they have not seen before. these fit a certain pattern. a they are in genre of films. there will be similarities that people will recognize between the american version of ane storiewherever it is coming from whether it is italy or germany. they will see the commality as much as they will see how it plays slightly different in another culture. that is the theme of the entire that y i did it . festival. >> what can you tell us pointed this process over the last year about how this ffis ent

from the more traditional american films we arused toa surety aiding with . >> you can see how things are different. there are many stories about men that are compromised by the evil woman. whenyou see noir for mexico it is reversed. the women are there protagonists. normally they arrsnightclub entertai they are caught between the bad men and the diupst man. there is a life-and-death ruggle with female protagonists. that is very common in mexican cinema. not common at all in the united stat during the same period.

we have films from countrie that lost eir war. that has a major impact on the stories that are told and sort of the tone of defeat. there i say disgrace that they are trying to rise out of. i find that very fascinating . >> it sounds like many of the themes that you are thinking about in a alhistorcontents have relevance . >> people will be surprised when they see these d movies. also how much relevance they have to current events . >> you have a favorite film playing in this festival? it is that 10 day festival. there is a lot to omchoose . >> there are many. i love the films that my foundation restored. there are the two films shown tonight. i take pride in that. there is a film from japan that is playing on thursd that is caught pale flower. i absolutely love that.

that one is a cannot miss for me. they are all good. people should see all of them . >> you cannot go wrong. it is sogreat to have you here debt -- eddie. this will run through february 2 at the castro theatre. to learn more go to their website. that will do for as you can find more of our coverage at https://www.kqed.org/index.html thank you for joining us. struck --

robert:democrats me their case, to the senate and the nation. >> we can'tst t this president to do what's right for this country. youan trust h will do what's right for donald trump. this is why, if you find him guilty, you must find that he matters.e removed becauseight because right matters. robert: an emotional plea fm oairman adam schiff rounds the first week of president trump's impeachment trial. but many republicans remain skeptical, as the president's team begins its defense. >> there's nothing wrong with the president saying to the president of ukraine, hey, can you help us figure out if there's anything do this. i really don't the issue. >> there not here to steal