robert:democrats me their case, to the senate and the nation. >> we can'tst t this president to do what's right for this country. youan trust h will do what's right for donald trump. this is why, if you find him guilty, you must find that he matters.e removed becauseight because right matters. robert: an emotional plea fm oairman adam schiff rounds the first week of president trump's impeachment trial. but many republicans remain skeptical, as the president's team begins its defense. >> there's nothing wrong with the president saying to the president of ukraine, hey, can you help us figure out if there's anything do this. i really don't the issue. >> there not here to steal one election. they're here to steal two

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the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contribions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. once again, from washington, moderator robert costa. robertood evening. all weekouse democrats have made their case against president trump, but to what end? are senate republicans convinced? and what about you and every american? a new pew research center poll revealed a srply divided nation. roughly half of.s. adults, 51%, say the president should be removed from office and 46% say he should remain. 86% of republicans say he shouli remain, 85% of democrats y he should be removed. beyond that divide, how democr ws are dealih a frenzied media environment, a president who dominates the republican pty and limited tools with no guarantee that any witness will appr.

they've nonetheless pushed ahead, thrusting a moral argument to t fore. here is the lead impeachment manager, housemmntelligence tee chairman, adam schf. >> we have for generations been the shining city upon a hill that president reagan described. america's not just a country, but also an ide but what worth is that idea if, when tried, we do not affirm the values that underpin it? and who will come to fill the void that we lea when the light from that shining city upon a hill is extinguished? the autocrats with whom we compete who value not free elections but u thending rule of a repressinxecutive robert: joining us tonight are four top reporters hear to -- he to talk about the dynamics driving this momt in history. kimberly atkins, senior news

correspondent for wbur. carl hse,hief washington correspondent for the "new york times," jeff zeleny, senior washington correspondent for cnn, and carol leonnig, investigative reporter at "the washington post and co-author of the much discussed book on the trumpnc presi let's start with chairman schiff as we see who has been driving the democratic side. carl, h he been able to break through with any republin nators? carl: i don't think so. and he gave a rousing speech and there was a great f responsem the people who are critical of trump. but the republicans actually were rea put off by that speech which was an unusual thing but they wered offen and they said he's basically impugning them for being behind a president who he also said puts hwn interests first and is selfish, basically, and would risk the national security of

the country i talked to -- first thing this morning i ranen intoor richard durbin. i said, what do you think? he said schiff was phenomenal, i'mkeptical he moved any votes, we're not seeing movement from the republicans. robert: what matted, kim, abt the case thatchiff and others made on the senator floor? what stood out to you? kimberly: they did a very good job. but they had two competing interests, right? one saying we have this lockedf case o impeachment against the president but at the same time need these peo to testify.d we and they did a really good job painting a pictu but pointing out the holes in it that they say can be filled in with the testimony of people like john bolton, with documents that can me from o.m.b. or the defense department. so overall they had thatlye on the bf trying to move forward. it looks like realistically, the best win they could possibly get would be getting thatestimony and it seemed that was a core part of both theirtr otion case and even their abuse of

power case, reallyrying to make the case to the republicans who are movable, and also the american people, that they would really like to hear from jo bolton and whether they accomplish that, that's uncertain. it doesn't seem they'vean moved ody even on witnesses. i thinkhat's right. gallery, watchin the level of interest, it's been a long proceeding. you can see the look on the republican senators' faces, they have their minds made up. the white house made the decision to have them outbo talking the case. it sounds repetitive, we've heard this before. happen between now and the end. we know thet outcome alm certainly. it's still a possibility that lamar alexander t fromnessee could say i want witnesses but it seems a stretch. one thing i thought was interesting watching this,st ing to president trump's

own voice. it was echoing throughout thena chamber again and again, everything that he has said, even johnce mccain's v on friday afternoonas used by chairman schiff. he was a bigpo ser of ukraine. so the democrats, i think, have rput tog a skilled argument but this cake i baked and it's hard to imagine republicans changing their minds. robert: there's also news happening outside of what's floor.ng on the senat just onriday, carol, lev parnas says h has tape of president trump calling for the ambassador'sg, fir ambassador yovanovitch, marie yovanovitch. how does all this new informationhat's occurring tside of the trial affect the trial? carol: i think it's reallin intere because on one hand it's corroborating for democrats and it's not penetrating at all republics. they're like,eah, yeah, lev parnas, some guy we don't really know who took some selfies,

apparently a lot of them, with the president and rudy giuliani. there are moments that corroborate the fundamentals of this case ofts the democ that tape recording of him saying we've got to get rid of her, fir her, get her now, was prompted basically by parnas saying, you know, she's talking about impeachment. isn't that interesting? she thinks you'll be impeached, and that set the psident off. fascinating. carl: very dismissive of that, john ferrasso said there plenty of information coming out, let the house keep investigating. it's notn. sinking to go back to jeff's point about the floor, those senators do tol thee being locked out there on the floor without their phones. we've reported that. but i think what's interesting d the argument catching on with them is from mitch mcconnell saying if you go dow the witness rabbit hole, you're going to be here for months, we'll be in big legal fights and i think that really hits home with them.

the i don' want to be doing this for months. as the week wore on, that was one argument that lisa murkowski who someone thought may be for witnesses, was repeating that. robert: and the president's le sl came willn make its own case, as soon as saturday, mounting a defensef the president's conduct and critique of house democrats. it's a bigeam with personalities like former special couns hs andd charging conservatives. >> we're hearinghi the sames over and over. we will be putting on a vigorous defense both fact and rebutting what they've said. our job here is to defend the president, the office of the esidency and the constitutiong we're go do that. i see nothing that has changed in the lasnd now day half of their two and a half days at we have been going here. robert: carol co-wrote that a crowdednd combative legal team is nothing new for the

president. during t russian probe, sekulow adopted a sense of humor to roll with the punches. "welcome to the hotel california, you can check out any time you want, but you can never leave." carol, terrific book. jay sekulow, the trump legal orbit right now.ha who's ine? is it alan dershowitz? is it ken starr? patol cney? jay sekulow? what do you know?nt carl: i -- carol: i want to mention something about jayekulow. his remark about hotel california was based on the fact th john dowd had just quit/been fired. he quit, but it was like jay wag tr to basically withdraw and have less of a role and then the lead lawyer is gone. so now we'll see how long they

all last. clearly ken starr will view himself as the most cerebral in terms of the chops and dershowitz and he will be smacky with one another, i would expect, behind the scenes. jay sekulow is thelue that holds it together, he's the sweetheart that says we can all get along. but remember, this goes to some earlier about the president's voice. what does the president want consistently timnd time again in these events? somebody on tv telling everybody how innocent he is and that this is a terrible cloud, a disgrace to our country. you'll see lot of that. robert: what do we know about coming from the president'snt side? is it going to be detailing and rebutting the facts the democrs have laidut, the arguments the democrats have laid out? or will it be about hunter biden and ukraine and joe biden? kimberly: i think it will be all of the above. we'll s how much of the rebutting will happen. will be some ofd today there i am expecting this to be -- if

you look at the brief. it's essentially the president's argument on twitter that's laidf t in legalm and they say that the abuse of power, our democrats made up and isn't impeachable. the brief basically look at the transcript, it was a perfect call. it's going to be the same argument laid out that the democrats failed to put on ase case bect is a politically motivated witch hunt, to put briefly. and at first, i also think that the president is going to wantio that telev show. they're gng to want that really robust, full toated fense of the president and his team. he's not going to want someone like ken srr to lay out a lot of legal arguments which he will tee as boring. hel really w them to get out there and give it ahout. jeff: that's one of the tensions. when you talk toepublicans, if you ask the d senator you approve the president's conduct? almost to a person will say no, some privately.

but many wish you would have said we don't love this conduct but is it impeachable?t hey're going to double down -- there's been little discussion on the president's side of the underlying circumstances. not muc is in dispute but he'll say it's a perfect call. that may potentially be off-putting to some republican senators who don't find this perfect a rob portman, republican of ohio, said i don't think this is appropriate but it doesn't rise to eevel of impeachable. but the white house dismissed that line of l thinking ag time ago and are doubling down. the president is back in the w u.s.ching every minute of it so it's aougher job for the president's lawyers than you think because he's in charge. carl: that's an interesting point. you will hear the argument that it's not bignoh to impeach. but the trump white house doesn'want to put on too big a defense because they're dismissive and they don't want to look like they' having to

push bac but some republican senators know they have to vote to acquithe president and they want to say they put on a gdns de robert: what about the point of dismissing the whole thing. senator rand paul said he can't the whole trial?otion to dismiss carl: i think the president, at the end of the day, wouldather be acquitted, right? then he can march into the state of the union, if that's the time, and say i got acquitted, there was a voteo acquit me, not a vote to throw the case out. i'm still note sat the votes are there to dismiss and certainly not before, like, some deliberations. carl: that might look dismissive. i have heard toty do plan to file a motion to desist. the tea is notn favor of that. robert: there will be opening arguments ony saturom the trump legal team. what about next week? will there be a deal on

witnesses to get there four republicans would have to join with 47 democrats towi come up a compromise. mitch mcconnell is juggling demand from the president and uneasy g.o.p. senators and this week they urged mcconnell to tweak the trial's rules. as carl wrote, "as the trial marches forward, mr. mcconnell will maintain a sharp focus on keeping republicans happy." carl also wrote "mr. mcconnell has shown he can be pushed from his pfition i internal pressure becomes great enoug" the name at the top of my notebook this week at the capitol, senator lamar alexander of tenssee who isetiring. my sources told me to pay attention to lamar alexander who worked for senator howard baker of tennessee who was a major figure during watergate, asking

what did the president know and when? will lamar alexander say let's hold up and have witnesses? carl: not from was saying today. he was soft saying i want to hear more information and thenak we'll a decision but i've heard a lot already. i think that people were looking to him -- susan i collins, whs right in the middle of all this -- had really tried to rope him in but he is very, very close to mitch mcconnell. theirfriends back to intern days in the 1960's. it's hard to see lamar alexander being the key vote to plunge tse te into what mitch mcconnell jeff: also dangerous to get more witnses because what if the evidce is more damning? if you hear from john bolton a mulvaney, then some republicans on the fence,t might be more difficult in the end on the final vote so i'd be surprisedy if t get witnesses because it doesn't help the president's case. robert: you think mcconnell wants to hol back and not have

witnesses? jeff: absolutely. he wants to get itone next week before the state of the union. it looks like it will happen never predict the timing of something in the united states besenate. : part of the challenge for the democrats is if they want to cut a deal on witnesses withhi republicans, the house said they would exert executive privilege. carlit's a huge problem for bolton, teasing all of us, i know things interested in sharing but hasn't come forward sharing. bolton has the president's voice on this and hasn't stepped rward to offer it and has put robert: he has a book coming. out. carl: a book -- carol: a book that could be not many months away and many have asked the question, what if youo says something damning about the president and you stayed silent? boon was the one telling all of these aides who testified, from the national security

cocil, go see the lawyers, i'm furious. he told fiona hilt in w is he said follow those people downstairs, this this was the ukrainian delegation and gordon sondland, he said follow them downstairs and find out what theye doing and s did and stopped sondland from his demand of this group,ee hey, we an investigation and maybe you'll get a your. carl: i talked to someone in the white house about john bolton and i said what do you thi he would say and he'll say people were out of their lanes and the process was flawed and state things aut rudy giuliani but maybe not incriminate the president. i think the democrats really want to hear from mick mulvaney. robert: what about the more centrist republicans -- senator collins in 2020.murkows what do your sources tell you wher they lean beyond alexander?

kimberly: i thought if there was going to be a critical mass of republicans who might move on e e other s the issue of witnesses, it would have developed by now and it has not. i think y have seen from the beginning of the week to the end a big shift in the ergyn that point and even though you have someone like john who could shed light, on the other hand, he could come out and say i don't think what tid prt didas impeachable and i don't think the democrats want that. ihink a lot of the air in that balloon of tension on trying to get witnesses was let out thiswe and i think in part not just because of erything we talked about but also from the white house. the white house has put enormous pressure on republicans inhe senate not to back this. robert: what is chuck schumer going to do? republicans saying they're only doin t ade, biden for bolton. democrats have rejected that so far. do they buckle at all? kimberly: there's no place to buckle because there's no to cut some deal, certainly not

to call the bens or anything like that. it's really nowhere to go at this point, that momentum that they had, they lostt. carl: schumer's had a few victories. he ford tough votes on the 2020 people. jeff: and the audience isn't only republican senators. the otherlay schiff and others are making are making this argument to the american people soven though there is almost certainly to be an acquittal, what hapns in november 2020, voers have the ultim say. robert: what does this all mean racethe democratic presidential the iowa caucuses, they're just under two weeks away. here is former vice president joe biden on a possible witness deal. >> this is a constitutional issue. we're not going to turn it into a farce, into some kind of political theater. t intoe trying to turn political theater but i want no part of beingart of that.

robert: while biden is in iowa, many of his rivals are stuck in thate. >> look, rightow, today, i am dealing with impeachment. >> look, i took an oath of office and that is to uphold the this is only our third impeachment in the headquarters of headquarters -- history of the united states. i have made a commitment and i will be here. robert: the style of those senators, look, we're all in washington, too. what has it meant for the race? jeff: it probably freezes it in place inerms of the horse race but there are complaints from pete buttigieg who has not been in the news at all. interestingly about joe biden, his name was mentioned again and again and again on the senate floor as democrats were saying there's nothing there, but look in the president's case next week. joe biden's name will be mentioned all the time. we do not know how that plays. i speakti to democ voters who like joe biden and say there may not be a smoking gun but it

doesn't smell right so the bidens would prefer thisppot ing. it is happening so we don't know the outcome of this. robert: who's been takg on biden but senator bernie sanders who in the last wbur poll is inching up in new hampshire and elsewhere. kimberly: he took the lead in that poll fro bpetetigieg, the lead in new hampshire. i don't think that the impeachment trial for the senators who are in the race has been as big o a problem as people worried. i think voters understand they're dng their job and this is important and i think you're right, this could bkfire on joe biden with his name in the news every singleff day coming the lips of the president's attorneys, really bringing up a lot of things. today you had senator lindsey graham calling for a the bidens.e inves that could hurt him a lot especially if vots think if he's elected it will spur more investigations. that's an unknown.

sey graham's calling for a special counsel kimberly: he sd he wanted an outside attorney like a mueller to do a full invtigation of the bidens. jeff: democrats would be like, oh, it's all politics. yoube hear eliarren say corruption will be a central issue in this campaign. she did not rush to joe biden's defense. we do not know how it will play out. the biden campaign has a new ad saying, defeat trump, elect biden. they're pushing electability but name and son's name invoked so much. carol: this hurt him in the senate investigation. right before they j infamous call, he was the lead contender and after the investigation got rolling, he started to stumble. carol: but he fell from the first rung.

jeff: resilient. carol: people don't like to sayt it loud but if there is something funky about your son of money from this gas company. it doesn't mean there wason corrup it means you likely got a special break. jeff: is bernie sanders going to bring that up on the trail? we'll see. carl: lindsey graham at this event today said one of the impeachment managers comes out and says this has bn debunkd there's nothing to it and lindsey saidhat's misleading, there were things going on. was adamant of the idea of a special investigation. robert: this sho goes b quickly. before we go, let us all pause and remember our colleague and friend, jim jim lehrer. broadcasting pioneer, he died january 23 at age 85. what a life, what a journalist, debate moderator, co-anchor, then sole anchor of "pbs newshour." he led by the way he lived and

worked.no frills, committed to reporting. i will miss him,especiallyhi spiritnd his quiet exampleov. heed his family, politics and thi as countnd he personified the values of pbs. m robert costa. good night.

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