robert:democrats make their case, to the senate and the nation. >> we can't trust this president to do what's right for this country. u c trust he will do what's rump. for donald this is why, if you find him guilty,ou must find that he should be removedht because r matters. because right matters. robert: an emotional plearo fm chairman adam schif rounds out the first week of president trump's impeachment trial. but many republicans remain skeptical, as the president's team bins its defense. >> there's nothing wrong with the president saying to the president of ukraine, hey, can you help us fure out if there's anything do this. really don't see the issue. >> there not here to steal one election.

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the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contribions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. once again, from washington, moderator robert costa. robert:good evening. all weekouse democrats have made their case against president trump, but to what end? are senate republicans convinced? and what about you and every american a new pew research center poll revealed a sharply divided nation. roughlhalf of.s. adults, 51%, say the president should be removed from office and 46% say he should remain. 86% of republicans say he should remain, while 85% of democrats say he should be removed. beyond that divide, how democrat are dealing with a frenzied media environment, a president who dominates the republican par and limited tools with no grantee that any witness will appea

they've nonetheless pushed argument to the fore.ral here is the lead impeachment manager, helse igence committee chairman, adam schiff. >> we have for generations been the shining city upon a hill that president reagan described. america's not just a country, but alson idea. but what worth is that idea if, when tried, we do not affirm the values that underpin it? d who will come to fill the void that we lea when the light from that shining city upon a hill is extinguished? the autocrats with whom we compete who value not free election but the unending rule of a repressing executive robert: joining us tonight are four top reporters hear to -- he to talk about the dynamics driving this momen in history. kimberly atkins, senior news

correspondent for wbur. carl, hul chief washington correspondent for the "new york times," jeff zeleny, senior washingtonorrespondent for investigative reporter at "the washington post and co-author of the much discussed book on the trump presidency. let's start with chairman schiff as we see who has been driving the democratic side. carl, has he been able to break through with any republican senators?: cadon't think so. and he gave a rousing speech and there was areat response from the people who are critical of trump. but the replicans actually were really put off by that speech which was an unusual thing but they were offended and they said he's basically impugning them for being behind a president who he also said puts his own interests first and is selfish, basically, and would

the country.curity of i talked to -- first thing this morning i ran into senator richard durbin. i said, what do youhink? he said schiff w phenomenal, i'm skeptical he moved any votes, we'reg not see movement from the republicans. abt the case that schiff and others made on the senator floor? what stood out t you? kimberly: they did a very good job. but they had two competing interests, right? this lockede have case of impeachment against the president but at the same time we need these documents and we need these people to testify. and they did a really good job painting aut picture pointing out the holes in it that they say can be filled in with the stimony of people like john bolton, with documents that can come from o.m.b. the defense department. so overall they had that eye on the ball of trying to move forward.it ooks like realistically, the best win they could possibly get would be getting that testimony and it seemed that was a core part ofoth their obstruction case and even their abuse of

power case, rinlly tto make the case to the republicans who are movable, a also the american people, that they would really like to hear from jo bolton and whether they accomplish that, that's uncertain. it doesn't seem they've moved anybody even on witnesses. >> i think that's right. sitting in the gallery, watching the level of interest, it's been a long proceeding. you can see the look on the republican senators' faces, they have the minds made up. the white house made the decision to have talking about the case. itounds repetitive, we've heard this before. we d't know exactly what will happen between now and the end. we know the outcome almost certainly. it's still a possibility that lamar alexander tennessee could say i want witnesses but it seems a stretch.e hing i thought was interesting watching this,

listening to president trump's own voice. it was echoing throughout the senate chamber againnd again, everything that he has said, even johnccain's voice on friday afternoonas used by chairman schiff. was a big supporter of ukraine. so the democrats, i think,t have together a skilled argument but this cake is baked and it's hard to imagine republicans anging their minds. robert: there's also news happening outside of what's haening on the senate floor. just onriday, carol, lev parnas says he has a tape of president trump calling for the ambassador's firing, ambassador yovanovitch, marie yovanovitch. how does all this new oformation that'surring outside of the trial affect the trial? carol: i thi it's really interesting because on one hand it's corroborating foremocrats and it's not penetrating at all republics. they're lh,e, y yeah, lev parnas, some guy we don't really knowho took some selfies,

apparently a lot of them, with the president and rudy giuliani. there are momts that corroborate the fundamentals of this case ofhe democrats. that tape recording of him saying we've got to get rid of her, fire her, get her now, was prompted basically by parnas saying, you know, she's talking about impeachment. isn't that interesting? she thinks you'll be impeached, and that sde the pre off. fascinating. carl: very dismissive of that, john ferrasso saidl there w be plenty of information coming out, let the house keep investigating. it's not sinking in. to go back to jeff's point about the floor, those senators d the like being locked out there on the floor without their phones. we've reported that. but i think what's ieresting an the argument cating on with them is from mitch mcconnell saying if you go down the witness rabbit hole, you're going to be here for months, iwe'll ben big legal fights and i think that really hits home

with them. the i don't want to be doing this for months. as the w ok wore that was one argument that lisa murkowski who someone thought may be for witnesses, was repeating that. robert: and the p csident's legae will soon make its own case, as soon as saturday, mounting a defense ohe president's conduct and critique of house democrats. it's a bm tith personalities like former special counsel and hard charging conservatives. >> we're hearinghe same things over and over. we will be putting on a vigorous defense of both fact and rebutting what they've said. our j he is to defend the president, the office of the esidcy and the constitution. we're going to do that. i see nothing that has changed in theowas day and a half of their two and a half days w thhave been going here. abert: carol co-wrote tha crowded and combative legal team

isothing new for the president. sekulow adopted a sense of humor to roll with the punches. "welcome to the hotel california, u can check out any time you want, but you can never leave." carol, terrific book.y sekulow, the trump legal orbit right who's in charge? is it alan dershowitz? is it ken starr? pat cipolloney? jay sekulow? carl: i want --w? carol: i want to mention someuling about jay s. his remark about hotel california was based on the fach that dowd had just quit/been fired. he quit, but it was lik jay was trying to basically withdraw and have less of a role an then the lead lawyer is gone. so now we'll see how long they

allast. clearly ken starr will view himself as the most cerebral inm of the chops and dershowitz and he will be smacky with o i another, would expect, behind the scenes. jay sekulow ies the g that holds it together, he's the sweetheart that says we can all get along. but remember, this goes to some points that c and jef made earlier about the president's voice. consistently time and time again in these events? somebody on tv telling everybody how innocent he is and that this is a terrible cloud, a disgrace to our country.ot you'll see a of that. robert: what do we know about the specifics of the argumen coming from the president's side? is it going to be detailing and rebutting the facts the democrs have laid, o the arguments the democrats have laid out? or will it be about hunter biden and ukraine and joe biden? kimberly: i think it will be all of the above. we'll s how much of the rebutting will happen. jay sekulow saidoday there will be some of that.

i am expecting this to be -- if you look at the brief. it's essentially the president's argument on twitter that's laid t in legal form and they say that t abuse of power, our article, is somethi that democrats made up and isn't impeacthble. brief basically said look at the transcript, it was a perfect call. it's going to be the same arguments laid out that the democrat failed to put on a case because it is a politically motivated witch hunt, to put it briefly. and at first, i also think that wantresident is going to that television show. they're gng to want that really robust, fullte thr defense of the president and his team. he's not going to want someone like ken sta to lay out a lot of legal arguments which he will he'll really want them to get out there and give it a shout. jeff: that's one of the tensions. when you talk to republicans, if you ask the senators, do you approve the president's conduct? almost to a person will say no,

some privately. but many wish you would have said we don't love this conduct but is it ieachable? but they're going to double down -- there's beenscittle sion on the president's side of the underlying not muc is in dispute but he'll say it's a perfect call. that mayotentially be off-putting to some republican senators who don't find this perfect at all. robeportman,lican of ohio, said i don't think this is appropriate but it doesn'tise to thevel of impeachable. but the white house dismissed th line of thinking a long time ago and are doubling down. u.s. watching every minute of it so it's aougher job f the president's lawyers tn you think because he's in charge. carl: that's an interesting point. you will hear the argument that it's not big enough to impeach. but the trump white house doesn't want to put on tooig a defense because they're dismissive and they don't want to look le they're having to

push back but some republican senators know theyave to vote to acquithe president and they want to say they put on a gd defense. robert: what about the point of dismissing the whole thing. senator rand paul said he can't wait to have a motion to disss the whole trial? carl: i think the president, at the end of the day,he would r be acquitted, right? then he can march into the state of the union,f that's the time, and say i got acquitted, there was a voe t acquit me, not a vote to throw the case out. i'mtill not sure that the votes are there to dismiss and certainly not before, like, some deliberations. carl: that mightook dismissive. i hav heard the do not plan to file a motion to desist. e team' not in favor of that. robert: there will be opening argunts on saturday from the trump legal team. what about next week? will there be a dl on

witnesses to get there four republicans would have to join with 47 democrats to come up with a compromise. mitch mcconnell isuggling demand from the president and week they urged mcconnell to tweak the trial's rules.as carl wrote, "as the trial marches forward, mr. mcconnell will maintain a sharp focus on keeping republicans hpy." carl also wrote "mr. mcconnell his pos if internal pushed from pressure becomes gat enough. the name at the top of my notebook this week at t capitol, senator lamar alexander ofee tenneho is retiring. my sources told me to pay attention to lamar alexander who is close to mcconnell and once worked for senator howard baker of tennessee who was aajor figure during watergate, asking

what did the president kno and when? will lamar alexander say let's hold up and have witnesses? carl: not from what was saying today. he was soft saying i want to hear more information and then we'll make a decision but i've heard a lot already. i think that people were looking to him -- san collins, who is right in the middle of all this -- had really tried to rope him in but he is very, very close to mitch mcconnell. they'r friendsack to their intern days in the 1960's. it's hard to see lamar alexander being the key vote to plunge the senate into what mitch mcconnell thinks would be ar. disas jeff: also dangerous to get more witnses because what if the evidence is more damning? if you hear from john boln and mulvaney, then some republicans on the fence, it might be more difficult in the end on the final vote so i'd be surprised if they get witnesses becaun' it do help the president's case. robert: you think mcconnell wants to hold back and not have

witnesses? jeff: absolutely. he wants to get it d next week before the state of the union. it looks like it will happen but never predict the timing of something in the united statesna . robert: part of the challenge for the democrats is if they want to cut a deal on witnesses withlicans, the white house said they would exert executive privilege's carl: huge problem for know things interested in, i sharing but hasn't ce forward sharing. bolton has the president's voice on this and hasn't stepped forward to offer it and has put himself in the catea bird robert: he has a book coming out. carl: a book -- carol: a book that could be not many months away and many have asked the question, what if your book says something damning about the president and you ayed silent? bolton was the one telling all of theseides who testified, from the national securityl,

couno see the lawyers, i'm furious. he toldiona hill in what is about a movie about to be made, he said follow those people downstairs, this this was the ukrainian delegation and gordon sondland, he said follow them downstairs and find out d what they'rng and she did and stoppedondland from his demand of this group, hey, we need an investigation and maybe you'll get your aid. carl: i talked to someone in the white house about john bolton and i said what do you think he would say and he'll say people were out o their lanes and the process was flawed and state things aut rudy giuliani but maybe notncriminate the president. i think the democrats really want to hear from mick mulvaney. robert: what about the more centst republicans -- senator romney, senatornd murkowski collins in 2020. what do your sources tell you where they lean beyond

alexander? kimberly: i thought if there was going to be a critical mass of republicans who might mov o on ther side on the issue of witnesses, it would have has not. by now and it i think you have seen from the beginning of the week to the end a big shiy in the ene on that point and even though you have someone like johnto b who could shed light, on the other hand, he could come out and say i d't think what the president didas impeachable and i don't think the democrats want that.nk i t lot of the air in that balloon of tension on trying to get witnesses was let outhis week and i think in part not just because of everything we talked about but also pressure from the white house. the white house has put enormous pressure o republicans in t senate not to back this. robert: what is chuck schumer going to do? republicans saying they're oy doing trade, biden for bolton. democrats have rejected that so far. do they buckle at all?ki erly: there's no place to buckle because there's no appetite on the democratic side to cut some deal, certainly not

to call the bens or anything like that. it's really nowhere to go at is point, that momentum that they had, they lost it. carl: schumer's had a few victories. he force tough votes on the 2020 people. jeff: and the audience isn't the other play schiff and others are making are making this argument to the american people so even though there is almost certainly to be an acquitt i, what happe november 2020, h votee the ultimate say. robert: what does this all mean for the demratic presidential race the iowa caucuses, they're just away.two weeks here is former vice president joe biden on a possible witness deal. >> this is a constitutional issue. we're not going to turn it into a farce, into some kind of political theater. they're trying ttturn into political theater but i want no part oft being p of that.

robert: while biden is in iowa, many of his rivalsck are sn the senate. >> look, right now, tay, i am dealing with impeachment. >> look, i took an oath of office and that is to uphold the constitution. this is only our third impeachment in the headquarters of headquarters -- history of the united states. i have made a commitment and i will be here. robert: the style of those senators, look, we're all in washington, too. what has it meant for the race? jeff: it probably freezes it ins place in tf the horse race but there are complaints from hopete buttigieg has not been in the news at all. his name was mentioned again and again and again on the senate oor as democrats were saying there's nothing there, but look in the president's case next week. joe biden's name will be mentioned all the time. we do not know how that plays. i speako democratic voters who like joe biden and say there may not be a smong gun but it

doesn't smell right so the bidens would pfer this n happening. it is happening so we don't know the outcome of this. robert: who's bee takin on biden but senator bernie sanders who in the last wbur poll is inching up in new hampshire and elsewhere. kimberly: he took the lead in that pollte from buttigieg, the lead in new hampshire. he is surging. i don't think that the impeachment trial for the senators who are in the race has en as big of a problem as people worried. i think voters understand they're doiheir job and this is important and i think you're right, thisir could bac on joe biden with his name in the news every single day coming off the lips of thede pre's attorneys, really bringing up a lot of things. toy you had senator lindsey graham calling for a mueller-like investi into the bidens. that could hurt him a lot especily if voter think if he's elected it will spur more investigations.

yhat's an unknown. robert: lindraham's calling for a special counsel? kimberly: he sai wanted an outside attorney like a mueller to do a fullga inveson of the bidens. jeff: democrats woikd be oh, it's all politics. you hear elizabetharren say corruption will be a central issue in this campaign. she did not rush to joe biden's defense. we do not know how it will play out. the biden campaign has a new ad saying, defeat trump, elect bin. they're pushing ectability but their advisers do not wan his name and son's name invoked so much. carol: this hurt him in the senate investigation. ght before the july 25 infamous call, he was the lead contender and after the investigation gotolling, he started to stumble. robert: he's still near the top. carol: but he fell from the first rung.

jeff: resilient. carol: peopleon't like to say itut loud but if there is something funky about your son being in charge and getting lots of money from this gas company. it doesn't mean tre was corruption, it means you likely got a special break. jeff: is bernie sanders going to bring that up on the trail? we'll see. carl: lindsey graham at this event today said one of the impeachment managers comes out and says this has bee debunkd, there's nothing to it and s lindseyd that's misleading, there were things going on. he was adamant of the idea of a special investigation. robert: this show goes by quickly. before we go, let us all pause and remember our colleague and friend, jim jim lehrer. broadcasting pioneer, he died january 23 at age 85. what a life, wt a journalist, debate moderator, co-anchor, then sole anchor of "pbs newshour." he led by the way he liv and

rked. no frills, committed to reporting. i will miss him,especiallyhi spirit and his quiet example. he loved his family, politics and this country and hde personifhe values of pbs. m robert costa. good night.

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