judy: good evening. i'm ju t woodruff. "newshour" tonight the cost of an outbreak. the toll of coronavirus ntinues to tick up worldwide. and the global financial system grapples with the fallout then the pain of zero tolerance. a damn report chronicles the suffering- damning report migrant children as they -- at the u.s. southern border. the state of the race as elizabeth warren drops outhe democratic primary winnows down to a two-man contest. i speak with a strategist on barack obama's historic bid for the presidency. >> there's something deeper going on here because it wasn't just elizabeth warren. we had some other talented female candidates in the field who didn't go as far as we would have thought.l judy: of that and more on tonight's "pbs newshour."

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final approval today to an emergency funding measure as washinon state announced an 11th death making 12 nationwide. >> another cruise ship stuck at sea because ofon cavirus. 62 passengers are qarantined inside their cabins and anchored in san francisco bay. after a passenger from a previous voyage on the ship elsewhere two new states had their first confirmed cases. nevada and tennessee. >> we are saddened t to learn virus has reached tennessee our preparedness efforts that the governor havetioned have positioned us to respond briefly and thoroughly. >> in washington, d.c., the senate homeland security commtee heard from administration officials on the federal preparati c. republicirman senator ron johnson said no response is perfect. the trump administration is doing all it can. >> the chances of the administration getting it just

right, reacting perfectly is zero. it won't happen. interaction what ween in and terms of the interaction with the senate and the house, this isn't all government approach. this is all hands on deck. reporter: vice president mike pence who's leading the national response echoedt t sentiment during a trip to minnesota. >> we're going to continue to bring the fullesources of the federal government to bear. to confronthe spread of the coronavirus. reporter: but in a phone interview on fox news last night, president trump seemed to contradict guidance from public health officials about whethe people should go to work if they think they have the virus.id prt trump: we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of peoplehat get better, just by -- you know, sitting around and even goingor to some of them go to work. but they get better. some r: and he cas doubt on the latest projections from the world helt organization about the virus' death rate.

president trump: ihink the 3.4% is really false number. now,hiis just my hunch. and -- but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this cause a lot of people will have this. and it's very mild. official today explained why the death rate could be lower. >> with the w.h.o. numbers that you see do not take into account the people who don't come into contact with theme cal facility. that's the reason between the differen of a 2% to 3% mortality and a model of what it might be wita big range if you counted people who are a symptom attic. >> other experts say going to work while infected is dangerous. and could exacerbate this lawrence gosten speciizes in global health at georgetown university. >> it's very clear from a public health perspective that a person has flu-like symptoms, they should not go to

work. they should not go to school. because what we know abo this coronavirus and we know it very clearly from other countries, and from the united stat in king county, washington, is that it ssead very rapidly in congregant settingsrehere peoplerowded together. reporter: gosten took issue with the general message the president gave last niflet. >> i think thent presi tone was to understate the riousness of covid 19. covid 19 no matter wt the fatality rate will be will be orders of magnitude more deadl than the flu. reporter: that threat is why so many cities are closing schools and workplaces arett sing down across the globe. in south korea's deg. city which has borne the brunt of that country's outbrea usually bustling bus station wrs empty today. a few brave riders kept their faces covered with masks. in italy, primary school employees put up signs in rome

forming students class was out until at least march 15. back in the u.s., the senate passedn $8 billion emergency spending bill aimed at domestically. virus, the president is expected to sign that bill soon. for the "pbs newshour," i'm william brangan.: juonomic worries over the outbreak weighed down wall street today. and wiped out most of yesterday's big gains. the dow jones industrial average lost 969 points. to close at 26,121. the nasaq fell 279 points and the s&p 500 dropped 106. the coronavirus outbreak i alsore iingly straining the health care systems and economic resources of countries around the world. this week, the international monetary fund announced a $50 billion aid package intended to help various governments buy needed medical equipment. and ease expected slowdowne in

bu activity. director of the m.m.f. joinse now. welcome to the "newshour." >> thank you for having me. judy: first of all, the question is which countries are goingo get this money? >> b $50lion is made available to both low income countries and middle income countries that may be severely impacted by an economic slowdown as well as the need to respond to this crisis. for the low-income countries is is zero interest loans. for the middle income countries, the regular conditions of the i.m.f. what want to stress is that what we want to make sure, judy, is that people don't die just because of the lack of

money. and businesses don't collapse only because of the lack of immediately available credit. judy: so how do you do that? what exactly are you expieting coun to do with the money? >> so what we're doing at the, momere two things. we are engaging with governments to look at the countries that are at higher risk,r eitcause their health systems are weak or because they are commodity-exporting countries and rises are going down. or they don't have fiscal spone. they justt have the money to be more aggressive. and secondly, we are discussing with our sister instution the world bank how we can to make the right decisions and ing everybody l is number one, invest in your health provision, especially rgeted to more affected

number two, immediately put in place a plan even if you don't yet need it to help businesses cope with the economic impact. because what we have in front of us is a rather unusual shock that affects both the demand and supply. and th requires -- that requires a rather unusual set of measures that we want countries to put in place as quickly as possible. judy: a you say as quickly as possible. so you're -- i'm assuming you mean you have methods to get them the money, unusually quick. >> yeah. judy: i also wa to ask how can you make sure they're using the money the way you want them >> well, this is why we work with the world bank as well. the world bank, different from

the i.m.f., is grounded in countries. they have a lot of knowledge about health systems they have a lot of staff, personnel, on the ground. and what we wt is collectively to give policyti recommens and then have -- these recommendations follow through. because it is emergency fincing, we can provide the resources virtually within weeks, even sometimes within days. but then there has to be support for countries so they can spend this money wisely. and this is the case when th international community truly needs to come together.dy how confident are you right now that world leaders are addressing this as they should? one of the reasons i'm asking you is becausehere's a lot of conversation today about president trump, for example, speakingli about the mor rate, not actually being as high as it reportedly is.

how do you assess how leaders are doing their jobs on this? >> that is clear recognition that we do ed to work together. and we have secretary mnuchin, and chairman powell, all the leading ministers of finance and central bank governors uniting and expecting from us the international organizations to be the platform to bring speed of action. we need to lean forward in this crisis with collective resources. and i want to make a very important point for our viewers now. we know from previous health crises that only one third of the cost -- the economic cost of the crisis is from direct impact people unfortunately dying.

not going to work. production is shrinking. two thirds of thempacts i loss of confidence. and uncertainty. so we have aery important role not only to act but to mmunicate this action together in the face of this uncertainty. so we can reduce the suffering and ruce the economic burden. judy: well, the seriousness is certainly coming across with what you are saying. director of the i.m.f.managing thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good ening. "newshour" west. we will returny to jodruff and the rest of the full program after the latest headlines. an update to our top story. tonight, the governors of

maryland and colorado announce their first cases of coronavirus. cases are reported in 21 states across the country. progressiveza champion eth warren has ended her bid for the democratic presidential campaign. the massachusetts senator had led the race back in october. but she fled to win a single state. including her own on supe tuesday. today, she addressed supporters outside her home in cambridge. >> i will not be running for president in 2020. but i guarantee i will stay in the fight for the hard-working folks across this country have gotten short e of the stick over and over. that's been the fight of my life. and it will continue to be so. >> warren hasn't decided whether to endorse former vice president joe biden or vermont senatoranerniers. biden leads sanders right now in the associated press delegate count. 626-550. we'll return to the campaign after the newsummary.

the u.s. senate's top democrat insisted today that he never threatened two supreme court justices. but he also voiced o regretn wednesday minority leader chuck schumer had said conservatives, neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh, would, quote, pay the price if they voted to curtail abortion rights. chief justice john roberts condemned the comment and today, senate majority leader schumer -- mitch mccomponl ed blasted schumer --itch mcconnell blasted schumer. >> i'm from brooklyn. i shunt have used the words i did but no way making a threat. i would never, ever do such a thing. and leader mcconnell knows that. and republicans who are busy manufacturing outrage over these comments know that, too. >> schumer said head meant the justices might face political, not physical consequences. the leaders of turkey and

russia agreed today on a cease-fire f northwestern syria. erdogan and vladimirutin met in moscow. it followed clashes in i had bib provie betwe turkish -- idlib province with two more turkish troops killed today. turkey opposes a syrian offensive backed by russia that is driving refugees to the turkish border. the united states today pressed the taliban tfo call attacks in afghanistan. the militants have stepped up assaultsn afghan forces since withdraw troops.or the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo all of the violence. to stop >> in no uncertain terms violence must be reduced immediately for tes peace pr to move forward. we also continue to press all sides to stop posturing,tart practical discussion about prisoner releases, knuckle down and prepare for the upcoming interafghan negotiations. >> pompeo also rejected an international criminal court

investigatn into u.s. actions in afghanistan. it will probe allegationswaf crimes against the taliban and the afghan government and u.s.ors. and the woman who first inspired the world war ii character rosie the riveter h died. rosalyn p. walter passed away wednesday at her home i new york. her wartime work on an assembly line led to a song about sie the riveter. later, walter became a main benefactor of pbs. she was 95 years old. still to come on the "newshour," with judy woodruff, the lay of the campaign trail now that elizabeth warren has ended herbi presidentia documenting the anguish that migrant children faced athe hands of the u.s. government. the lives of civilians caught in the crossfire as fighting erupts between turkey and syria. and a preacher givesis brief but spectacular take on theology in action.

announcer: this is the "pbs newshour" frfment weta studios -- from weta studios in washington and arizona state university. judy: with senator warren's decision today to end her white house bid, the battle to take on president trump this november i largely now a two-man race. between former vice president joeid, and vermont senator bernie sanders. david plouffeas barack obama's campaign manager in w 2008 a the architect behind the president's succsful 2012 re-election bid. his book ofe citizens gu to beating donald trump is out this week. and david plouffeoins us now. welcome, david plouffe. and congratulations on the ok. >>hank you. judy: so elizabeth warren, let's talk about what wenton she said today at her -- she talked with reporters. she said shet thoughte beginning of the campaign there

would be a lane between the moderates and the liberals. in the democratic party. but she said i t turned out there wasn't. how do you see what happened? >> yeah. we had two really strong frontrunners in the beginning biden and sanders at different times in t campaign looked like they may not pull it together and that's important to remember. they both had a le. of v she ran a great campaign and was a strong performer and had strong staff and raisedoo money. and she talked about genderpe a there is study by academics and others smarter than me and an overhang from 2016 where people thought in n lost to trump and we can't nominate a whom again. there's something deeper going on here because it wasn't just elizabeth warren. we had some other talented female candidates in the field who didn't go as far as we judy: so you're saying sexism was part of it? >> wel i think sexism and mi son any part of -- misogyny part of 2016. i think most peopl democratic primary might have been fearful wrongly that a

woman couldn't win the presidency. judy: now we are down to main candidates. two men. main candidates. sanders and --ng >> two y men, yes. judy: two very young men. but with regard to bernie sanders, how do you quantify the depth of the oppositn to him? and the breadth of the opposition to him from the mainstream of the democratic party? >> judy, i worked in democratic politics a long time. i've yet to meet this so-called democratic establishment. i would like to and wish we were that organized.er it's v and elected officials making their own decisions. i think there's no doubt that there's some concern that could a democratic socialist win, i'm actually not in the camp that says he couldn't. but what's happening here in the primary is joe biden ledal of 2019. pretty significantly nationally. that's kind of where voters were. he stumbs in debates and performs poorly in iowa and new hampshire and some of his vote left and ther thing i've lned in politics easier to get vote back that you had initially than you never had before. so then some other candidates

didn't seize the moment to break into h coalition. particularly african-american ters. he wins south carolina. he gets endorsement from his little bit better. let's not overstate that. and all that vote came back. and sanders has never been able to grow his base o of the mid to high 20's. and so he got 43% againstll y clinton. what's clear is half of that probably, maybe a little bit more, was pro-bernie. but the rest of it is the only alternativeo hillary. and that's where we find ourselves and who is going to win more races going forward by a landslide margins? which is the only way you get delegates. it's probably only going to be joe biden because in southern states in particular, wherego y heavy african-american vote, he's going to roll up huge margins. dy: you said probably only going to be joe biden. >>beoesn't meaie won't win states but that's not how you get delegates. judy: the endorsement of joe biden from members of congress and governors and senators are just rolling in. every few minutes. and yet you don'teehat happening the democratic party getting behind bernie sanders.

i'm trying to understand what it is that he's up against. there's no wizard behind the curtain doing this is my point. i think a couple of things are going on. biden was their default. nd then he wasn't performing well. he shows that he can perf well. they come back. secondly, i think there are some people concerned with bernie sanders even if you good for us up and down the ticket? some people concerned about that. don't forget joe biden is a beloved figure. so -- and right now he looks like he's going to win. i was part of this in 2008 where we had to rely superdelegates and wasn't it clear until we were going to win all of a sudden superdelegates began saying i'm with you. judy: wh about the hard feelings between the two sides? look at what happened in 2016.e yes, bernders did endorse hillary clinton but there wasn't a lot of love between of his voters for hers. what's to stop that from happening all over again in 2020? >> that's a critical question. actually i wrote about this my d book which i to work on last summer and fall and glad i spent some time on this. judy: you anticipated this

would -- >> i didn't kw it would be down to these two. i went through this in 2008. the obama-clinton primary was harsher than this primary and took time to put that together. here's what has to happen. the pris in the play so in this case biden, sanders, people like obama, both obamas, hillary clinton, everybody needs to do the right thing and because trump is looming, and he's an existential threat, i everything he can as joe biden would do. but the people who support the candidates on the ground, the staff, you got to work athis. u just can't assume we won, now it's time to get you got to -- house parties. judy: whichever side it is you're saying. >> invite the if biden is the nominee. and invite the people who organized for bern and i listen to them complain. you know what? you guys clearly know how to organize young people and we need your help. and here's what i would say. i don't i dot think it's the top reason we'll lose to trurp trump but your foundatio is weak and whoever the nominee is biden or sanders needs to treat this as intensively as they do

winning wisconsin for the next judy: so tk.nths. you -- citizens' guide to beating donald tru you talk about how tough it is going to be for democrats to d that. the economy. it is right now, we don't know what's going to happen with the >> right. s. judy: and the effect it's going to have. right now the economy appears to be in president, acting or moving in the president's favor. something that he can pnt to. what would it take for that to be undone and what -- how should democrats be talking -- how should joe biden and bernie sanders be talking about it? should they be denying that it's been something that has helped them? >> i make this point in my book. presidential races, you know, the cenal argument already always is about the economy. so first of all, i would say donald trump is going to get 46%, 47% of the national vote. so no one should worry about any those people. it's who is really gettable and who is a true persuadeable voter and somebody who isn't sure they are going to vote or someone who is thinking about

real part of hillary clinton's loss last time. the economic case, and someone who has a job today and making r $12 an h doesn't feel great about their wages. they're paying more for health care and thinksonald trump i taking care of the healthy with his tax cuts. you got to make tha cas 12 when we ran for re-election against romney the stock market was rebounding. n that w a reason to vote for barack obama. because most of the people are going to decide his election are not invested in the stock market. and so his trade war, in wisconsin, we're technically in a manufacturing recession right now. in parts of pennsylvania, and wisconsin. health care is an economic issue. people paying more for that. the private student loan industry, there's so many attacks to make about this, and at the end of the day, it's whose side are you on? i can't believe donald trump wonrg thatent in 2016. but he did. ede guy from trump tower in manhattan convinough voters he was going to fight for people like them. and i think biden andanrs both have strong economic messages. and i think relate to people. by the way, barack obama won voters.

the skinny black g from chicago with a strange name, antwice. heo it, i think biden or sanders can do it. been you say they haven talking that way until now? >> they're trying to get into the finals. so these debates are not about making arguments against trump. has a role here, too. e so let's say your neighbor was hurt by trump's trade war. samsung and ask them to speak into the camera for 30 seconds about whyhey're not voting for trump this time and put it on instagram. like we have to capture what'se hag in the states which is different than the way the economy is covered in new york and washington. judy: david plouffe, a citizens' guide to beating donald trump. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. judy: return now to sour ongoing coverage of the -- our ongoing coverage of the southern boreder and imgration. a n federal watchdog report

lays out disturbing findings about how the government handled the separation of migrant familieng follo the trump administration's zero tolerance policy lastea as lisa desjardins tells us, this centers on the age tasked with caring for the children. the department of health and human services. lisa: judy, a litan of failures within h.h.s. that kept children and parents separated for weeks and monthsn than necessary. the report depicts a complete breakdown in communications and planning within the agency as well as with the rest of government. including no wning, when the ump administration triggered this situation. numerous alarms wered rai by frontline staff. but ignored by senior officials. all of that led to serious problems in caring for the children. the reportomes from the snedge of the department of health and --pe ior general of the department of health and human services and joining me now, a l of work your staff did on this. thank you for talking to us. first of all, your report lays

out problems almost at every juncture. i want to look at one way you look at this. first, there were problems i finding the parents and problems in communicating with the parents. and thenroblems in transporting the children. how do you see the scope of what went wrong? >> well, it starts with the fact that the department wasn't prepared. right? as you said in you opening, the department did not have any advance warning. and bef usethat, there was no planning for this event to happen. so as you said, the care provider facilities, where these children were housed and ca dd for, not prepare for the spike in separated children. and they --re as lt, had all of these challenges that th faceutd througvery single step of the reunification process. lisa: let's start with some specifics. in particular t. seems like onet of the lon lasting problems was in just finding the parents. making sure they could establish contact. and your report has this quote. from one of the email a to g.h.s. official writing, from h.h.s., no, we do not have any

linkages from parents to unaccompanied children except for a handful. they -- we have a list of but no way to link them to the children. another person also told your staff at it was easier at wurn point t locate people in rural guatemala than within our own detention system. take us through exactly through the difficulty in finding tar correctt for the correct child. >> you bring up two really importantssues in our report. both are tied back to the lack of advancednn pg. the first is because there was no advanced planning. there was no linkages as you said between the information at h.h.s. had information and the information at d.h.s. about parents. so they weren't even able to identify at the outset who is actually separated. once they were actually trying to unify thesehildren, they were then trying to find the parents in d.h.s. custody. and as you said, we had some instances in which they called each and every day trying to locate parts. and were unsuccessful getting through to try and locate that

parent. lisa: that's another amazing moment in your report. i want to read this from page 25. the facility, this is a facility carng for children, one of the facility directors writes that facility called the center every day seeking the parents of an 11-year-old child, they could not reach anyone at the detention. facili and that child cried every day. there was also a block in connecting with i.c.e. because those people trying to assess whether this parent was ready to reunify had to spend a few hours talking to them. but each pson in detention only got 10 minutes and spe w h their child. was in a systemic issue or was this not makingt a priority to make these reunifications happen? >> important to go back to that place in time in that there was an enormous spike in separated children that was brought on by the zero tolerance policy. before that, we heard that separating children from their families was relatively rare. so the system was just unprepared for this enormous

immediate spike in separated children. an a the facilities the department were working to try and figure out new processes and procedures to care for d these children make sure they had contact with their parents, and then ultimately toe ify them when the court ordered them to do so. lisa: and the last step that children are rea to be reunified they're going to reyou know -- reunification centers. but your report talks about how often those kids would be in vans outsi of the center for hours, sometimes having to stay in that area. for days, staffers, sleeping in shifts because they were waiting for their turn to reunify. my bigger questioou asalk to h.h.s. officials what rind ponsibility were they taking for what happened and why is it they weren't ready fothis? >> well, the answer is probably pretty complicated. but it's a -- has to do with two main things wtalk abo in our report. one is that the -- there's a number of interagen channels that are designed specifically to coordinate immigration

acrossenhe federal gover and those were not used to warrant h.h.s. insodvance. here -- weren'ts warni that h.h.s. was given so caught unprepared. and also warnings from staff, they did not take advantage of. and largely dismissed. and so that's why our recommendati is to make sure that as the department moves forward, that they a centering child priorities and interests in all of their decision makin both in their internal decision making. as well as their interagency decision making. >> h.h.s. has accepted all of your recomndations and point out that they still have to use a manley process - manual process and taking notes to connect child and parent. >> that's right. lisa: does that seem like it will be sufficient? >> it does not. d we have a recommendation to correct that. so they have made some strides in being able to identifyhe children being separated b it is still a multistep manual clear about which child is actually been separated.

we recmend that they improve that system, automatic that system, so we can be sure that we can identify separated chilen to make sure they get appropriate care and then be appropriate.h their parent if lisa: so important to keep following this. ann maxwell of the inspectorge neral's office of h.h.s. thank you. >> thank you. , judy: tod turkey and russia announced a cease-fire in idlib, syria. the final stronghold voters who are opposed to syria's president bashar al-assad. turkey has been fighting in idlib against syria and its ally russia. d that fighting has helped pushefugees to the syria-turkey border. and separately to the turkey-grease -- turkey-greece border. nick schifrin reports the cease-fire is likely temporary and efugee movement hasec a crisis.

nick: for syri an refugees europe's shores symbolize sancary. but in recent days families fling turkey to reach greece have been met by aggressive greek military boats. and evefi g. >> we have children. >> at the greece-turkey land borer refugees are rebuffed by wire, armed greek guards. and sometes clouds of tear gas. turkey sthass allowed and encouraged these refugee families to head to the greek border and created hope and orger at the greekslock being the border. finding a safe place for our children. where can we go? we don't have homes. we don't have work. we don't want anything. all we want is safety. >> safety from the wt' tha now being fought between turkey, syria, and russia. in idlib, syria, russian-backed syrian government forces are fighng turkish soldiers and syrian rebels. syria has killed almost 6 turkish soldiers since january.

turkish president and russian president vlainmir p announced a de-escalation zone inside syria and a-f ceae. >> i expressed hope that these agreements will serve as good ground for an cease-fire the idlib de-escalation zone and put an end to theuffering of e civilian population. and crea conditions for a peace pcess in the syrian arab republic. our goal is to prevent the worsening of the humanitarian crisis in the region. we will work together to supply aid for all the syrians ineed without any precondition and discrimination nick: but analysts say the cease-fire will prove temporary. and civilians now living in camps will remain caught in the crossfire. hundreds of thousands face an advance by the syrian regime close to the turkish border as they can. but turkey refuses to open this border. syrian children whose country has been at war all theirife bear the brunt.

the international rescue committee fys 60% parents say their kids cry for no these siblings fled air strikes and were living in a police station. they had t flee from there, too. a -- asel is 14. >> we were hit. the air strikes hit the police station. and a few raids hit beforehand, we're leavr homes so my siblings won't be afraid. and my mother won't be scare nick: earlier this week senior u.s. officials visited idlib and pledged humanitarian aid and ammunition turkey. but so far, the u.s. has declineds urkish requer greater intervention. >> humanitarian aid is only a response. the rea answer is an immediate cease-fire and durable cease-fire. nick: on the greek border, and inside syria, hundreds of thousands of refugees remain displaced. and a cease-fire doesn't replace their lost homes. here with me now to discuss ria, the refugee crisis, and more, is the united kingdom's defense secretary, ben wallace,

who's here inng wasn, d.c., meeting with u.s. officials. welcome to the "newshour." let's start with syria. does nato have an obligation to st turkey in its fight against the syrian regime and the russian air force in syria? >> it has the obligatio under article five to any of its members should they wish to seek to t triggert in self-defense. nato also has an obligation to respond to anyemrs' concerns and that's why nato has already had a session at its headquarters to discuss the emerging situation in syria. so i think nato is doing what it can do. it's being supported supportive of turary inss understanding the challenges it has and recognize being the security situaon right on its border. so i think, you know, nato is fulfilling thoe sobblegations and will always continue to do so under its charter. nick: turkey is a member of nato we should remind our viewers. and has askedor more. and from the united states. we sog president e make another deal with president

putin of turkey. this is not the first deal that the two have made.ib is i an opportunity for the u.s. or nato to try and help turkeyore and in so doing, try and perhaps begin to reduce that tnkish russ partnership? >> i think -- i think certainly in -- what turkey learning slightly the hard way is that russia is one of the most unreliable ptners youould have. i think it's -- it is really methe chirkens coming to roost. that if you do a deal with russia, and count your fingers when you finish shaking hands. but i think what is more i importan that, you know, the west, europe, britain, the united states, we do recognize and sympathetic to turkey's they are already a country full of 3.6 million refugees from that conflict. that's a huge amount for any one countr to hold. they're a country who fachede the direct consequences of a failed syria. what can the u.s. and t.k. do? the first thing we can do is what we're going to do which is gog to increase our aid to them. and we're going to help with

all those refugees to make sure thy are looked after. and then discuss with the turkish what it is they think we could do to help. to visit my foreign secretary k at the beginning of this week. and i think it'simeally rtant that we engage with turkey. but in a spirit of de-escalation. nick: let's spin aroundglhe e and cover some other issues. the united kingdom has agreed to aow the chinese telecommunications giant huawei into the periphery of the 5-g system. before that decision was made, i was reading in interview that you gave in which you said if we are going to allow the untries' access to our market we should expect a code of behavior that is fair play. what assurance do you have that huawei will play fairly? >> well, we don't have that assurance. which is why there are -- two parts to this policy. first of all, our policy wasn't allowing them in. and even some counties and parts of states in the united states. and huawei already in our commercial networks. and that's partly because we in

the west have failed to providet alternatives ohe last few years. we felt that having taken technical advice from spo leading spy agency, the gchq that we could mitigate its potential threat and took the view to it from our sensitive national security network. so fs it is not in our defense networks or intelligence networks and all those places where we communicate with our allies and oure selves. weing to cap it in the more commercial normal consumer facing parts of the network. to 35%. and we're going to work to cut it out over time from the network and replace it or as the network evolves to make sure that it ds not become an area at that we're dependent on. nick: you reportedlyth opposed decision. why didn't you resign after it was made? >> i'm not going to comment on media speculative articles about national security. conversations they are classified. and indeed we -- and i'm of a government that's collective. and i think the reality is, we

think, my -- told me technically in the 5, we ca contain them. and i think the bigger question for all of us in thed west. - is china. how do we change china's behavior? you said in the quote, you know, if you want access to our markets, and our universities which by the way, they'ren united states, and wal-mapl, for ex the chinese. and all sofer our country. and how dot we change t behavior where we see evidence of obviously espnage, i.p. theft etc.? nick: you t prais u.s.-taliban agreement because of the withdrawal of u.s. and nato troops conditionsased but those conditions as you know in that agreement are not based on a reduction of violence on the ground. long term. or even political progress. between the afghan government and -- those conditions for withdrawal are based strictly on the talibanenncing al qaeda. are those conditions too narrow? >> well, i think there are moren conditions tust that. and my counterpart, secretary mark esper said there are two

-- other parts of the -- of the de nick: although the u.s. has admitted there are o-other parts and not publicizing but they will not change the fundamentals and justta implemon. >> well, e fundamentals are about the direction of travel to reduce violence. that has been part of the condition. and as you saw previously, when thoseonditions were broken, president trump, that's it, that's done. e last time -- nick: they came closeo this deal. >> very clear aut that president trump. and in fact, been reported in the media only yesterday i think it was then was a air strike against -- you know threats in afghanistan. people have criticized people for trying. we have to try. that young -- let young men and women from britain and america and some ofur allies died to bring peace to afghanistan. if we don't try, then what's it alleen for? but i -- and i hear people's concerns about the cditions. and it's got to be real. it's got to be deliverable. and it's got to be lg lasting. and that's why the u.k. alongside america will makere hat any drawdown at the

moment is in a position it's going to allow us to continuehe to take war on terror to fight the other threats, the network and other par of that area that are a direct threat. and also that we me sure we work with the afghan government to ensure that they can come ton an accommodaith the taliban. that's really important. but for my point of view and as i said in mpublic statement this is a small step. we'll do it step by step. nick: ben wallace defense secretary of the united kingdom. thanyou very much. >> thank you very much for having me. judy: and we'll be back shortly with a brief but spectacular take on ling out one faith. but first, take a moment to hear from your local pbs station. it's a chance to offer your support which

judy: finally tonight, a personal look at faith in action. the reverend cecil williams gives us his brief but spectacular take on whate c

learn from helping those in need. >> i was born, my god, 90 years ago. wh came in the world, i immediately -- they called me rev. mother said to me, you are going to be a preacher. and that stirred me up. because a preacher represented a way of life that was quite different t meant n that only was i -- provide a healing community, but the church, the church was the place where i stood up and said i'm going to be somebody no nater what anybody says. i came to san francisco in 1963. and i immediately began to work with a church called glide. glide is lobetted in the tenderloin -- located in the

tenderloin which is the worst conditions of human blight. it was the most dedicated community of people who were looking for something but they kept looking for that which worked against them. i went to glide. oh, my god. it was awful. a church that closed its doorsl toinds of people. and of course appointed me there. d he said to me, i hope that you'll do something that will upset the people. becae they need to be upset. i decided thatf i it was a church, we would act like it and we would engage in what i called doing theol'ry. going to go and become a part of a world which needs to face itself. so we became a church that was standing on the line. saying i love you.

i will work with you. and we're going to stand with people no matterha what -- their color, no matter their class and those who are suffering, those who are going through trials and t tribulationsough moments of despair. and that's what we've done. i came in contact with a woman called janice berakatani. and when you run into somebody like that you b get ready. because you got to work on yourself. she tooke and helped me to know that i had to be sebody, i had to be something more than had ever been. and so whate' done over the years is we have builtrogram after program. we will give you -- recovery, we will give you a sense of loving. i came to san francisco in the tenderloin and i madeppomething . my name is cecil wilams.

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