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adams and koo and patricia yuen, committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. the corporation for public broadcasting, and by o your pbs ns station from viewers like you. thank you. once again, from washington, moderator robert costa. robert: good evening. whaea differe week makes. following a dramatic win last saturday in south carolina in victories in super tuesday states, joe biden's company has newife.'s jumped ahead of bernie sanders. and that leads to a showdown abetween biden the vermont senator. which wing of the democratic party willapture the nation? the moderates or sanders and his resolute movement? joining us tonight are two of the best campaign reporters in the country. abby phillip, political correspondent for cnn and

jonathan martin, national "new york times." ndent for the jonathan, why h the establishment since south carolina and super tuesday rallied behind biden? what's going on behind the scenes to prompt all that activity? >> a lot of it o isanic. they want to beat trump. that's been the overriding impulse of the democratic establishment. most democratic voters since the beginningf this campaigou talk to voters like we do all the time out tyore. hear the same refrain. we just want to beat trump. my top issue is finding someone that can bea this guy. we've heard it 1,000 times over the last year and a half. that's the animated impulse. and there was great uncertainty in january a most of february about who would emerge as the mainstream democratic candidate to take on that task. and it wasn't clear for a while becaus what happened in the first states. and i think, bob, what happened is, there were a of primary

voters who wanted clarity. they saw bloomberg take that hit courtesy ofenatorarren. and they saw warren then pick up steam in south carolina and winn south caroli by a little but by almost 30 points. t i thi size of that margin and then immediately klobachar and mayor pete see on the handwriting on the wall getting out and endorsing biden, think sethe cascade of t events is what really pushed voters to ged behind on super tuesday. activity. some behind-thscenes i spoke to harry reid who is still very active inolitics. and he had made some calls. and there was some activity. it was an organic thing, bob. >> i've always said in the campaign that voters this cycle >> yes. n more like pundits. >> where they're looking down the -- down the field and trying toee, o who's going to be able to get black voters? who' going to be ablet to

white voters in the midwest? and is biden actually strong enough to withstand this primary? when bind started to show that strength in south carolina, it solidified something that was already there waiting for him. vote whorseielready bd that he had a lot ofhe ingredients to be --o t inevitably be the nominee. and they were looking for a reas to -- actually cast that vote. and theed unprecedeort of moderate consolidation that we saw with buttigi and klobachar made a huge, huge difference because they always -- also want to know whether the nominee will be able to unite the party after a tough t primaryether. he was able to do that. i think the buttigieg camign in particular led this off. and had he not done that, i'm hnot sure it woue happened the way that it did.

it did. i think they weret concerned t klobachar would not get out unless he did. that's why he went first. he did not want to be blad for biden being weakened going into super tuesday. jonathan: president obama did have a phone qual mayor pet after he got out of the race. my understanding is that he did not tellete, hey, you shod endorse biden it will be good for you career. he was more subtle than that. he said you've got maximum leverage right now. spend your capital when it's null the bank right now. next day. took that advice t robert: speaking about president obama,an senatorrs after winning the nevada caucuses has tried now the wake of all of the biden victories to link himself toresident obama. inside the sanders campaign, are they adjusting to the biden moment? abby: they know they need to do

better with black i votersn particular. he has actually quite significant strength watho voters, which we should not dismiss. but with black votersee it's a persistent weakness. in south carolina, they thought th had aittle bit more momentum than they did. but t cliburn en-- clyrn endorsement cut sanders. they had a cutdown oma adhat featured him walked in the white house with president obama. and a former obama voter, a black woman saying i want ae candidho has the same kind of fire as president obama. that ad did not work in south carolina. andueo there are someions about whether this new strategy is going to work. but theveact that they're going there is a reflectn that start w they've got to to do, even a little bit better will help them keep up with biden in the statet are in

the south. it's a very, very good territory for biden robert: is he adjusting to his new status as the front runner this race? an: he's building the plane as he takes off actually. he's putting one wing on and the other on. you havo give credit to biden and his staff for doing an extraordinary job with little money and little organization. even visit minnesota and massachusetts and he won both states. you have to credit him for that. he is talking to jenfer o'malley who is a top obama aide to come in and help run the campaign. and that i a signal, bob, that he knows he's got to scale up and he has to do it soon. robert: the other factorre w looking at is senator elizabeth warren and exiting the race. here's what she had to say after

she left. >> if you y say,h, there was sexism in this race, eveone says whiner. and if you say there's no sexism, about a bazillion woman think what planet do you live on? >> we were never going elect a black man until we elect a black man. and we're never going to elect a woman until we elect a woman. robert: a reckoning agenda for the democratic party. abby: it's been a long time ming. had a similar conversation when kamala harris got out of the race asking what is sexism in the race? but for women, this cycle has been a lotut more a the hardest problems with gender and politics. for a long y time, know, we focused a lot about how, you know, people critiqued what women worend how they spoke. and all of those things are important too.

i think what th election has revealed is that there are deeper buyses against women who are at play. voters say they don't want to want to vote for women because they don't perceive them to be leaders. they do perceive them to be shrill. connotations associated with women. it's not just men. it's also women voters as well. this is the hardest part. there wasn't a whole lot of talk out what people were wearing t this cycle, b gender buys was underneath th sface. that's where we are. sanders canceled his rally in mississippi to go to detroit where v.p. biden is ahead. joining us is beth leblanc. thanks beth for being with us oh friday night. beth: thanks for having me. robert: what are you seeing and

hearing among democratic sources in your state? beth: so, t earlis week, biden was ahead about seven points ahead of sanders. but that was before super tuday when biden arguably gained a lot of momentum. it was before theovernor of michigan endorsed biden and his national campaign chairs. so arguably he's ahead even more now going into tuesday. but sandersas a pretty aggressive campaign schedule this weekend. he's goi to make four stops in hchigan probably more on monday . s not out of the race. and, you know,, sanders did tane michigan 2016 over clinton. he has some supporters among progressive democrats.ho so itd be interesting to see how it shakes out on tuesday. robert: when you look at the sanders' map from 2016 and his coalition this time around, where -- where are the -- thehe areas intate that matter beth: i think he's really going

to be looking at college campuseshe in coming days. one of his stops on sunday is at the universityic ofgan in ann arbor. he's also got a lot of work to do in the detroit area. you know, biden has a pretty long history with detroit that sanders needs to compete with in that sense. and it's not clearhether he is yet. robert: is vice president biden puttinaajor emphasis on the auto bailouts from the obama administration? beth: honestly, we've heard a lot from h surrogates about that bailout. we've heard about a lot of the time help spent in detroit as troit was going through this bankruptcy and some of the help he provided for federal grants for, you know, housing demolition or transit. they've really been emphasizing that here i detroit chiefly the mayor who has been with him kind

of since he announced his campaign last year.be : beth, stay with us. jonathan, how sigficant is michigan if sanders loses michigan, what does that mean to his campaign? jonathan: it's an enormous blow to h campaign in part buzz he won in 2016. look, president -- i'm sorry, biden has de well in the south. bernie has done well in the west. it's clear that t going to be decided in the midwest. that's the battleground. if sanders cannot do well in michigan, what's he going to do in illinois and wisconsin? i was looking at that poll digging into it earlier today, here's a bigeveal in that poll. the second choice preference for bloomberg voters, i'll give you one guess what it says, is biden by a mile.t robert:bout senator warren? will she endorse? abby: i don't know that she will or she has to.

she has a voter base that is not clearly inne camp or the other. if she were to endorse there's her people th will go to sanders o biden it might be better for her told on to her endorsement and potentially play a kind of ifying role as we get closer nominee is. ion no bhe she could play that role. she's got these well-educated voters. many of them women who are looking to see what she does. and -- and t i thit both biden and bernie sanders would benefit from someone who can ing those people along. robert: beth, what's the outlook in the labor community so importantan in mich beth: yeah, i know a lot of people have beend looking tow that community especially since trump in 2016 took -- took a lot of the blu collar vote pecially in mccomb and oakland counties.

a lot of people have been looking how recepti people have beenooking at medicare for all because they spent a lot of time negotiating for their private healthcare here in michigan. sanders was here when they were pickeding. -- picketting. biden partipated in some of those strikes but not in michigan. so there might not be as much -- as great a memory of that as it was for sanders. robert thank you, beth for your reporting. let's now turn to the mounting fear over coronavirus and how that is challenging leaders in washingtg spark economic turbulence and changing the face ofhe 2020 campaign.re tensionsvident inside the trump administration. president trump and dr. anthony fauci met with executives. and he did not echo the president on an available

vaccine. > we're looking to develop a vaccine.but if you're talking a three to four months in a couple cases a a year in other cases, wouldn't you say, doctor? would that be about right? >> a vaccine that you start testing in a year is not a vaccine that's deployabl he's askin the question, when is it going to be deployable? and that's going to be at the earliest a year to a year and a half. robertpresident trump signed an $8 billion emergency fund before heading to atlanta to visit the centers for disease control. joining us now is yasmeen abutal reporter for "the washington post." where are the cracks inside the top ranks of this administration as they deal wh the crisis? >> i think yhe've seen president downplay the risk of the virus even as we've seen the number o cases in the u.s. climb and pop up in more than a dozen states. t nk vice president pence and

the health officials who are bbriefing the public havn pretty clear that they expect to see more cases, but they sti t believ risk to the american public is low. and then you have president trump who has sought to say thac ane will be available sooner than ty fauci has said it will be. and that he's even questioned the mortality re that the w.h.o. has put out about the virus based on what woe know s far and the cases that we know of. robert: what do you make vice president pence's handling of it so far? what are your reviews with your top sources? >> even from some democrats, vice president pence h gotten pretty good reviews. they feel the government is trying to give themhe best information. the are some people who wish that a medical and scientific professionalike debra burks who does report to vice president pence was running the whole response and was ae to overcome bureaucratic hurdles and make the decisions

necessary, but so far the government has ramped upts response in the last week, week and a half, you know i, really start to prepare and the outbres that we're starting to see around the country. robert: talk about the -- talking about the government's response works drove that $8 billion deal? who made it come together so quickly? >> i think there wk pretty qu bipartisan agreement that more money was needed to fight this and you know, lawmakers and the public have beenth watching virus sort of pop up all over the world over the last several weeks. t'u know, not a secret that it's a very contagious disease that it presents mild lip and that makes it harder toontain. you saw quickly when the administration requested for $2.5 million that law makers said that was too low. let's putou the res we need forward. you saw both sides come togethek

pretty q as soon as that supplemental was rolled out saying we need more money and let's make sure we're putting tallesources we need forward. robert: stay with us. we're taping this live on friday night. an talking about the washington response, jonathan, as we're taping this program live. president tmp has announced that mark meadows the north carolina congrsman wille his new chief of staff. you see the president as he deals with this crisis is bringing in a political loyalist many mark meadows,ne som on capitol hill as he navigates this all. jonathan: shakeup during a public health crisis one that we saw coming while ago. there's been speculation that meadows was going to leave congress to become thet' presid chief of staff. itoes show the difficulty of this preside inetaining personnel. by: this is his fourth chief of staff. jonathto: more dir than i've got fingers on both hands

and a number of other staffers have gone through the merry-go-round. and i think it's not clear how meadows will differ from mulvaney. conservative hard liners from capitol hill who offer the president reassurance. he's not somebody who would challenge this president. abby: i think the o way in which they diver -- -- differ is that mulvaney lost the president's confidence. to the extent that mark meadows has a better relationship with president trump that moment, i think that will probably improve the dynamic within t white house. but i mean, on the one hand, this is an incredible amount of turnt a time when there's a lot of need for stability. but on the other hand, an impotent chief of staff is a huge problem for this white house. the president needso effectively manage his staff. so if meadows can do that, that moment. the best thing for the

nathan: the two key words, abby, he has the trust of the president right now. robert: and it has a political hand at the president's se. and t president has been lashing out at washington governor jay o inslee ander democrats as he deals with coronavirus. what does meadows' entry mean to you? >> we've known that there are some of the president' advisor who are reallyorried about what this outbreak means not just as a public health crisis but as a political crisis and esn't suppose an existential threat to the president's re-election. reported that with vice over, they're insisting on ing discipline with public health and professionals as well to make sure they're speaking with on voice while trying to be as transparent with the public as and i think that shows that, you

know, they are really concerned about the politichi risk could fose the president. and they want to make sure, you know, that they've got an eye on re-election while trying to manage this crisis at the same time. bert: what does it mean for the democratic race when they look at what yasmeen just mentioned, the president putting all his chips on the stock market? does it mean they'll move to president biden? abby: it could potentially mean just that that democrats will bo nervous to put someone up as their nominee who they're not confident has the experience to deal with a crisis like thi the reason this is going become potentially a existential political crisis because the economic consequencelly and the united states are going to be severe. i mean, we're seeing already an ormous amount of disruption. and it's not just the stock it is, you know, hotel workers and airline industries. an that's a real concrete problem. it's not just a political one. it's one that the president will

face. but the democrac nominee is going to have to answer questions. can they steady the sp? some people have likened it to the post 9/11 world or th 2008 financial crisis in the way that they're going to have to say, yes, i can come in here and right the shi at a very precarious time for the country. expecting to see more ou restrictions on domestic and international travel for american citizens? >> you know, p vicesident pence said domestic travel is safe. i think there is concern abo hurting the economy too much. bu there's a lot of fear. we're sing a lot of events around the country get cancelled. we haven't heard further restrictions planned at this time. decisions are made quickly based on information that's ailable. so it doesn't mean that will change. ere are pretty restrictive

travel restrictions. this could change as it evolves and officials learn about how this is spreading and where potential hot spots are. robert: back to the meadows pick, does it mean olitical war? this is a fighter inside the house of representatives cing inside. >> he's not going cut a lot of deals with chuck schumer on capitol hill, i think it's safe to say. meadows is not someone who has a great relationship with mitch mcconnell who is this establishment figure that meadows is not. he's at of wartime type general. he's someone you want to fight t withhat you want to cut deals with.

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