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committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. the corporation for public broadcasting, and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. once again, from washingto moderator robert costa. robert: good evening. what akifference a w makes. following a dramatic win last saturday in south carolina inie vict in super tuesday states, joe biden's company has newife. he's jumped ahead of bernie sanders. and that leads to a showdown between biden v and themont senator. which wing of the democratic party will capture the nation? the moderates or sanders and his resolute movement? joining us tonight are two of the best campaign reporters in the country. abby phillip, politicalco espondent for cnn and

jonathan martin, nationalti pol correspondent for the "new york times." jonath, whyhe establishment since south carona and super tuesday rallied behind biden? what's going on behind then to prompt all that activity? >> a lot of it is organic. they want to beat trump. that's been the overriding impulse of the democratic establishment.em mostratic voters since the beginning of this campaign, you talk to voters like we do all the time out there. you hear the same refrain. we just want beat trump. my top issue is finding someone that can beat this guy. we've heard it 1,000 times over the last year and a half. that'shenimated impulse. and there was great uncertainty in january and most of february about whorg would e as the mainstream democratic candidate to take on that task. and it wasn't clear for a while because of what happened in the fitates. and i think, bob, what happened is, there wer a lot of primary

voters who wanted clarity. theyloawberg take that hit courtesy ofenatorarren. and they saw warren then pick up steam in south carolina and win south carolina not by a little but by almost 30 points. i think the size of that margin and then immediately klobachar and mayor pete see on the handwriting on the wall getting out and endorsing biden, think the cascade of those events is what really pushed voters to get behind biden on super tuesday. there was some behind-the-scenes activity. i spoke to harry reid who is still very active in politics. and he had made some calls. and there was somectivity. was an organic thing, bob. >> i've always said in te campait voters this cycle have been more like pundits. >> yes. >> where they're looking down the -- down the field and trying to see, ok, who's going to be able to get black voters? who' going to be able to get

white voters in t midwest? and is biden actually strong ough to withstand this primar when bind started to show that strength in south carolina, it sodified something that was already there waiting for him. vote whorselready believed that he had a lot ofhe ingredients to be -- to inevitably be the nominee. and they were looking for a reason to -- to actually cast and the unprecedented sort of moderate consodation that we saw with buttigieg and klobachar made a huge, huge difference cause they always -- also want to know whether the nominee will be able to unite the party after a tough primary together. he was able to do that. i think the buttigieg campaign in particular led this off. ot and had he done that, i'm not sure it would have happened the way that it did.

it d i think they were concerned that klobachar would not get out unless he did. that's why he went first. he did not want to be blamed for biden being weakened going into super tuesday. jonathan: president obama did have a phone qual mayor pete after he got out of the race. myha understanding is he did not tell pete, hey, you shod endorse biden it will be good for your career. he was more subtle than that. he said you've got maximum leverage right now. spend you w capitn it's null the bank right now. and peelt took that advice the next day. robert: speaking about president obama, senator sanders after winning the nevada caucuses has tried now the wake of all of the biden victorieso link himself to president obama. inside s tders campaign, are they adjusting to the biden moment? abby: they know they need to do

better with black vers in particular. he has actually quite significant strength with latino voters, which we should not dismiss. but with black voters it's been in south carolina, they thought they had a little bit more momentum than they did. but t cliburn en-- clyburn endorsement cut sanders. they had a cutdown obama ad that featured him walked in the white house with president obama. a a former obama voter, black woman saying i want a candidate who has the same kind of fire as president obama. that ad did not work in south carolina. and so there are so questions about whether this new strategy is going to work. but the fact that they're going there is a reflection that they know they've got totart too, even a little bit better will help them keep up with biden in the states that are in

the south. it's a very, very good territory for biden new status as the front runner this race? jonathan: he's build ag the plan he takes off actually. he's putting one wing on and the other on. you have to give credit to biden and his staff for doing aexn aordinary job with little money and little organization. and onuper tuesday, he didn't even visit minnesota and massachuses and he won bot states. you have to credit him for that. he is talking to jennifer malley who is a top obama aide to come in and help run the campaign. andhat is a signal, bob, that he knows he's got to scale up ande has to do it soon. robert: the other factor we're lookin at is sator elizabeth warren and exiting the race. he's what she had to say after

she left. >> if you say, yeah, there was sexism in this race, everyone says whiner. and if you say there'so sexism, about a bazillion woman think what planet do you live on? >> we were never going elect a black man until we elect a black man. and we're never going to elect a woman until we elect a woman. robert: aeckoning agenda for the democratic party. b abby: it'sn a long time coming. we had a similar conversationwh kamala harris got out of in the race?ing what is sexism but for women, this cycle has been a lot more about the hardest problems with gendernd politics. for a long time, you know, we focused a lot about how you know, people critiqued what women worend how they spoke. and all of those things are important too.

i think what this election has revealed is that there are deeper buysesst aga women who are at play. voters say they don't want to wa vote for women because they don't perceive them to be leaders. they do perceiv them to be shrill. they have a lot ofegative connotations associated with women. it's not jus men. it's also women voters as well. this is the hardest par there wasn't a whole lot of talk about what people were wearing this cle, but the gender buys was underneath the surface. that's where we are. robert: next stop is michigan. sanders canceled his rally in t mississipp go to detroit where v.p. biden is ahead joining us is beth leblanc.et thanksfor being with us on this friday night. beth: thanks for having me. robert: what are you seeing and

hearing among your to democr sources in your state? beth: so, earlier this week, biden was aheadbout seven points ahe of sanders. but that was before super tuesday when biden arguably gained a lot of momentum. it was before the governor of michigan endorsed biden and became one of his national campaign chairs. so arguably he'he even more now going into tuesday. but sanders has a pretty aggressive campaign schedule this weekend. he's going to make four sps in michigan probably more on monday so he's not out o the race. and, you know,, sanders did take michigan in 2016 over clinton. o he has some history here. he has some supportersmo progressive democrats. so it should be interesting to see how it shakes out on tuesday. robert: when you look at the sanders' map from 2016 and his coalition this time around, where -- where are the -- the haeas in the state matter to him in the coming days?

beth: i think he's really going tong be loo at college campuses in the coming days. one of his stops o sunday is at the university of michigan inn bor. he's also got a lot of work to do in the detroit area. you know, biden has a pretty long history with detroit thaer sa needs to compete with in that sense. and it's not clear whether he is yet. robert: is vice president biden puttina major emphasis on the auto bailouts from the obama administration? beth:'v honestly, heard a lot from his surrogates about that bailout. we've heard about a lot of the time help spent in detroit as detroit was t going throughs bankruptcy and some of the help he provided for federrants for, you know, housing demotion or transit. they've really been emphasizing that here in detroit chief the mayor who has been with him kind

of since he annoued his mpaign last year. robert: beth, stay with us. jonathan, how s ficant is michigan if sanders loses michigan, what does that mean to ampaign? jonathan: it's an enormous blow to his campaign in part buzz he won in 2016. look, president -- i'm sorry, biden has done well in the south. bernie has donehe well in west. it's clear that this primary is going to be decided in the midwest. at's the battleground. if sanders cannot do well in michigan, what's he going to do in illinois and wisconsin? i was looking at that poll diggin into it earlier today, here's a big reveal in that poll. the second choice preference for bloomberg voters, i'll give you one guess what it say is biden by a mile. rort: what about senator warren? will she endorse? abby: i don't know that she will or she has to.

she has a voterase that is not clearly in one camp or the other.if she were to endorse th in guarantee that her peoople will to sanders or biden it might be better for her to hold on to her endorsement and potentially play a kind of unifying role as we get closer to a convention no bheert the nominee is. she could play that role. she's got these well-educated voters. many of them women who are s looking to what sheoes. d -- and i think that both biden and wernie sandeld benefit from someone who can bring those people along. robert: beth, wha os thelook in the labor community so beth: yeah, i know a lot of people have been looking toward that community especially since trump in 2016 took -- took a lot of the blu collar vote especially in mccomb and oakland counties. a lot of people have been

looking how recepti people have been looking at medicare for all because they spent a lot of time negotiatingor their private healthcare here in michigan. sanders was here when they were pickeding. biden participated in some of those strikes but not in michigan so there might not be as much -- as great a memory of that as it was for sanders. porting.hank you, beth for your let's now turn to the mounting fear oirr coron and how that is challenging leaders in washington sparking economic turbulence and changing the face ofhe 2020 campaign. tensions are evident inside the trump administration. president trump and dr. anthony uci met with executives. and he did not echo the president on an available

vaccine. >> we're looking to develop a vaccine. but if you're talking about three to four months in a couple of cases and a year in other cases, wouldn't you say, doctor? would that be about right? >> vaccine that you start testing in a year is not a vaccine that's deployable. he asking the question, when is it going to be deployable? and that's going to be at the earliest a year to a year and a half. robert: president trumpd sig an $8 billion emergency fund before heading to atlanta to visit the centers for dease control. joining us now is yasmeen abutaleb reporter for "the washington pet." where he cracks inside the top ranks of this administration as they deal with the crisis? president downplay the risk of the virus even as we've seen the number of caseshe in u.s. climb and pop up in more than a dozen states. i think ve president pence and

theealth officials who are briefing the public have been pretty clear that they expect to see more cases, but they still believe the risk to the american publ and then you have president trump who has sought to say that a vaccine will be available sooner than tonyau has said it will be. and that he's even questioned the mortality rate that the w.h.o. has put out about the virus based on what we know so of. and the cases that we know bert: what do you make of vice of itent pence's handling so far? what are your reviews with your topes sou >> even from some democrats, vice president pence hasotn pretty good reviews. they feel the government is trying to give them the bes information. the are some people who wish professionalike burks ntific who does report to vice president pence r wasning the whole response and was able to overcome bureaucraticurdles and make the decisions

necessary, but so far the government has ramped response in the last week, week and a half, you know i, really start to prepare and the outbreaks that we're starting to see around the country. robert: talk about the -- response works drot $8 ment's billion deal? who made it come together so quickly? >> i think there was pretty quick bipartisan agreement that more money washt needed to f this and you know, lawmakers and the public have been watching the virus sort of pop up all over the world over the last several weeks. you know, it's not a secret that it's a very contagious diseaset it presents mild lip and that makes it harder to contain. you saw quickly whenhe ministration requested for $2.5 million that lawakers sa that was too low. let's put the resources w need forward. you saw both sides come together

aetty quickly as soons that supplemental was rolled out saying we need more money and let's make sure we're putting tallesources we need forward. robert: stay with us. we're taping this live on friday night. and talking about the washington response, jonathan, as we're taping this program live. president trumphas announced that mark meadows the north carolina congrsman wil be his new chief of staff. you see the president as he deals with this crisis is bringing in a political loyalist many mark meadows, someone on capitol hill as he navigates this all. jonathan: a shakeup during a publicneealth crisis that we saw coming a while ago. there's beencu stion that meadows was going to leave congress to become the president's chief of staff. itoes show the difficulty of this president in retaining personnel. abby: this is his fourth chief of staff. jonathan: more directors than i've got fingers on both hands

and a number of other staffers have gone through the merry-go-round. and i think it's not clear how meadows wil differ from mulvaney. conservative hards lin from capitol hill who offer the president reassurance he's not somebody who would challenge this president. abby: i think the one way in whh they diver -- -- differ is that mulvaney lost the president's cfidence. to txtt that mark meadows has a better relationship with president trum that very moment, i think that will probably improve the dynamic within the white house. but i mean, on the one hand, this is an incredible amount of turnover at a time when there's a lot of need for stability. but on the other hand, a impotent chief of staff is a thge problem for this white house. president needs to effectively manage his staff. so if meadows can do that, that might be the best thing for the

moment. wo jonathan: theey words, abby, he has the trust of the president right now. robert: and it has a political hand at the president's side. reand thedent has been lashing out at washington governor jay inslee and other democrats as he dealsith corovirus. what does meadows'ea entry to you? >> we've known that there are some of the prident's advisor who are reallyorried about what this outbreak means not a ju a public health crisis but as a political crisis and doesn't suppose an exiential threat to the president's re-election. we reported that with vice president pence's offe taking over, they're insisting on discipline with publich hea and professionals as well to make sure they're speaking with one voice while trying to be as transparent with the public as possibnk. and i that shows that, you

know, they are really concerned about the political risk this could fose the president. and they want to make sure, you know, that they've got an eye on re-election while trying to manage this crisis at the same time. oe robert: what it mean for the democratic race when they look at what yasmeen just mentioned, the president putting all his chips on the stock market? does it mean ty'll move president biden? abby: it could potentially mean just that that democrats will be more nervous to put someone up as their tominee whoy're not confident has the experience to deal with a crisis like this the reason this is going become potentially an existential political crisis because the and the united states are going to be severe. i mean, we're seeing already an enormous amount of disruption. and it's j nott the stock market. and airline industries. orke and that's a real concrete problem. it's not just a political one. it's one that the president will

ce. but the democratic nominee is going to have tonswer questions. can they steady the ship? av some people likened it to the post 9/11 world or the 2008 financial crisis in the way that they're goio to have t say, yes, i can come in here and right thet ship a a very precarious time for the country. robert yasmeen, are youg expect see more restrictions on domestic and international travel for american citizens? >> you know, vice president pence said domestic travels safe. i think there is concern about hurting the economy too much. bu there's a lot of fear. we're seeing a lot of events around the country get cancelled. we haven't heard further restrictions planned this time. decisions are made quickly based onor ition that's ailable. so it doesn't mean that will change. there are pret restrictive

travel restrictions. this cld change as it evolves and officials learn aboutis how s spreading and where re.ential hot spots robert: back to the meadows pick, does it mean politicalr? this is a fighter inside the house of representatives coming inside. >> he's not going cut a lot of als with chuck schumer on capitol hill, i think it's safe to say. meadows is not someone who has a great relationship with mitch mcnnell who is this establishment figure that meadows is not. he's a sort of wartime type general. he's someone you want to fight with not that youant to cut deals with.

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