ng sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodrf. on the newshour tonight: the death toll climbs. coronavirus claims more american lives, and the ecomic toll deepens. then, exiting. senator bernie sanders suspends his campaign for the democratic nomination for president, leaving joe biden as the all-but-certain opponent for esident trump. and, we continue our look at the front lines in the fight against the virus. how emergencroom doctors are dealing with the demands of their job and their own health. all that and more, on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by:

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state, despite the numatr of hitting a new high there. we begin with john yang, reporting on t day's events. >> yang:n new york, the tion's coronavirus epicenter, governor andrew cuomo said the hospitalization rate may be slowing. >> we are flattening the curve by what we are doing. >> yang:ut, that doesn't mean pople should be any less vigilant. >> if we st what we are doing, you will see that curve change. that curve is purely a function of what we do, day in and day out. >> yang: in fact, yesterday saw the highest number of deaths yet a single day-- nearly 800. y in nk city, there have been so many deaths, the city is using refrigerated trucks to store remains. and, new york's numbers show african americans and hispanics there are dying at higher rates than whites.

>> we're here for you and we support you. >> yang: amid the grim work on the medical front lines, signs of support-- police rs, firefighters and health care workers eered ch other outside a hospital in newark. meanwhile, the university of washington's forecasting model, one of many often cited by the l white house,ered its estimate of u.s. coronavirus deaths. today, it projected more than 60,000 americans would die by early august-- down from 84,000u the university ofgt washin's model has been on the low side, and there are questions about the accuracy of the official death count. some say it may overlook those who die at home witht seeking medical care, and those who died without being tested for coronavirus. in washington d.c., trump administration officials say ther are planning for life a the pandic, but cautioned that was still a ways off. dr. anthony fauci on "fox news." >> if in fact are successful, it makes sense to at least plan would look like.to normality

that doesn't mean we're going ea do it right now, but it we need to be prepared to ease into that. >> yang: dr. deborah birx on nbc's "today" program. >> what's really important is at people don't turn tse early signs of hope into releasing from the 30 days to stop thepread. it's really critical. and you can see the delay. so if people start going out again and socially interacting, we could see a very acute second wave, very early. >> yang: president trump expressed optism on twitter, saying the u.s. would "open up our great country sooner rather than later." in geneva, the worldealth organization director-general responded to the president's the pandemic.he group mishandl >> when there are cracks at thea onal level and global level, >> yang: in britain, where moreo than 6,000e have died,

prime minister boris johnson is said to be getting better a third night in the hospital. >> his condition is improving. i can also tell you that he has been sting up in bed and engaging positively with the clinical team. >> yang:pirits were also high in wuhan, china, where the outbreak began, after its 76-day lockdown was lifted. tens of thousands of people rushed to leave the city of 11 million, clogging bus terminals and train stations. authorities in masks and protective gear checkedav ers for fevers. for some who had been stuck in >> (ntranslated ): i haven'tef. been out since january 21. this is the first time i left the house today. now i'm going back home to meet my parents. >> yang: at day's end, the city celebrated with a light show. for the pbs newshour, i'm john yang. >> woodruff: and now, to our other lead story.

with a narwing path to victory and an end to normal campaigning due to the pandemic, senator bernie sanders tod suspended his presidential race.sa our esjardins reports. >> desjardins: from his home in vermont, senatorernie sanders nounced he is ending his fight for the democratic nomination for president.o, >>hile we are winning the ideological battle, and while we are winning the support of so many young people and working people throughout the country, n haveuded that this battle for the democratic nomination will n be successful. >> desjardins: former vice president joe biden is now the likely candidate to take on presidt trump. the democratic socialist and independent senator from vermont has arguably single-handedly ved the democratic party to the left. his underdog 2016 caaign against hillary clinton was also a movement, raising new attention to ideas like medire for all, free public college, and aggressive climate action. in the 2020 race, many of

sanders' democtic rivals adopted his proposals. >> it was not long ago that people considered these ideas radical and fringe. today, they are mainstream ideas, and many of them are already being implemented in cities and states across the country. that is what we have accomplished together. >> desjardins: he used his address today make anothere- push for sinyer healthcare, in light of the >> this current horrific crisis that we are now in has exposed how absurd our employer-based system is. it has led to a massive loss of jobs, and resulted in millions losing their health insurance. >> desjardins: sders won the most votes in the first three contests of 2020, with ardent supporters, especially the young and in hispanic

communities. he was positfrned to be the t-runner. >> the reason that we are going to win is that we are putting together an unprecedented, multi-generational, multi-racial political movement. >> this campaign itaking off! >> desjardins: but starting in south carolina, biden bega racking up blow-out wins, and didn't stop.he uily built an insurmountable delegate lead.nd after s dropped out, biden said, >> he's inspired voters, especially young, to champion him in a progressive vision for untry. he didn't just run a political and that's a good thing for the nation and our future. >> desjardins: president trumpwe hed in on twitter, saying, "this ended just like the democrats and the d.n.c. wanted.

the bernie people should come to the republican party." in his address, sanders said he will continue to collect delegates to influence the party's platform at the nvention. he currently has some 914 delegates, out of the nearly0 4, for grabs. >> woodruff: although senator sanders is no nger in theis race, thes he ran on still resonate with many in the democratic party. here to discuss the, the race ahead, and more, senator sherrod brown, democrat from o he endorsed joe biden yesterday. senator brown, thank you very much for joining us. even though senator nders has dropped out or suspended his campaign, he says he is still going to be copeting on the ballot in the coinmg primary states, that he wants to influence the convention. is that complicating things for the democrat party? >> no, not at all. bernie came to a meeting we had today, a meeting by phone with f numberemocratic senators. we talked about that. he already ha influenced this

race and already has influenced the democratic party. we're now talking about a $15 minimum wage, we're talking aout dramatically expanding building on the affordable care act. i think bernie has had an impact, will continue to have an impact about the dignity ofrk about empowering workers, having an impact on the nex coronavirus bill. bernie's influence in the party is felt and will cobentinue t welcomed. >> woodruff: president obama's strategist david axlod today said if bernie sanders really wants to help joe bid'en, hes going to have to make a much more affirmative case for him. do you think he'll do that? >> i'm sure he will. he has a decent relationship with the vice president. they're friends, thewoy rk together in the senate for not very long, i think thrrsee yea bernie and i came the same year in 2007. the vice esident, i guess, left in early 2009. but the answer is yes, bere

will be full-throwed for biden as i will be as most of m colleagues, maybe all of my colleagues will be. >> woodruff: do you think his supporters will be for biden too? >> i think his supporters will everwhelmingly be for biden. no candidate'sr transferred his or her entiree elctorate supporters, his or her followers to another candidate. that never happens entirely. d but keep in minat -- you know, that donald trump got well under 50% of the vote last timea hen't grown his spacet all. i think bernie sanders and kamala harris and a number of others inhis race, mayor pete, people into the system, andre almost none are voting for donald trump and very few will stay home because the contrast is you want this president who clearly is in over his head, whs

t tell the truth, who has betrayed workers every single or a president who's going to support workers and really fight k?r the digni of wor and that's such a clear contrast. people are going to vote in hugr nu you saw that yesterday in wisconsin. people are willing to vote even if they mig get sick from voting. t that tell us about th center in this election anwill play to the benefit of the vice presidentpe >> woodruff:ing of that, as you know, the democrats want to put at least $2 billn into legislation that would hel-- that would strengtn sta ability to run elections that are fair, that are safe, and, yet, the republicans are fighting that. where do you think that's head headed. >> well, i was in ohio for eight yes and ran the election system, so i know how elections work in big stas. i know there was very, very little vote fraud. i know donald trump said mail-in balloting won't work, but he

also said if we do mail-in balloting, no republicans will get elected again. our government shoul expect anybody to go vote when their life is at ris literally their life is at risk if they get the coronavirus. so i can't imane that mitch mcconnell is going to continue to block and donald trump is going to continue to block efforts so that people can votea safed healthily, if you will. >> woodruff: senat, quickly, on coronavirus, you mentioned what more needs to be done. you punched for hazard pay for frontline workers.at do you think t going to end up becoming law? >> well, the president said wants to do some hazard pay. he was talkin about nurses and hospital workers, but it ought to also be cty bus drivers, pele who stock shelves in grocery store, it ought to be the people who clean up and do the laundry in the hospitals and clean the floors and the rooms. working delivery packages,re out

driving, as i said, city buses, all of that. i think that will be a gotiation. mcconnell has resisted. i think it will also be a negotiation to putmoney in a rental assistance fund. no one should lose their home, no one should lose his apartment as a result o this coronavirus, and a huge number of people just week who didn't pay their rent on april 1 when it was duer a huge nuf people around the country, they're facing immense hardship. if wee going to help the airlines and wall street, that package mitch mcconnell wrote did that explicitly and wsure ought to help people stay in their apartments and hom a. >> woodruf finally, the president's response compared tr your gr of ohio, also a republican mike dewine. >> that shows it's not a partisan thing. the governor of ohio, i have said very publicly, he and i ran against each other once, so

we're not necessarily politic lies our whole careers but we are now. the governor of ohio has savedd thousands ousands of ohioans from getting sick because he took early action. e president of the united states has cost lives because he delayed and delayeand delayed. he called it a witch hunt, he called it a hoax, he said the democrats e trying to impeach him over this and, unfortunately, we're seven or eight weeks behind in testing and our whole public health response in getetting s equipment to the workers and whether they're in grocery storr or firefighterurses and doctors, and we're trying to make up for lost time. the president certainly has not governor of ohio has been very good. >> woodruff: senator sharrod brown of ohi thank you very much and we hope you stay safe. >> you, too. thank you. oo >>uff: in the day's other news, wall street focused on

hopes that a coronavirus peak may be near. the dow jones industrial average gained 780 points tolose at 23,433 the nasdaq rose 203 points, and the s&p 500 added 90 points. americans will start receiving direct deposits in their bank accounts next week for coronavirus aid. that is what treasury secretary steven mnuchin told house democrats today. the conversation was part of a lsh to get more aid to sm businesses. the trump administration wants another $250 billion for the newly-created payroll protection program. top democrats-- house speaker nancy pelosi and senate nority leader chuck schumer-- urgedr re money for hospitals,

food stamps another needs. freed 100 taliban prisonersent today, and said it was part of an agreement between the insurgents and the u.s. the prisoners were held at the bagram jail, near kabul. afghan officials said they are among some 5,000etainees that are supposed to go free.ed >> ( transl ): 100 taliban were freed by the national directorate of security and fitorney general's office, after taliban's qatar and the released prisoners themselves pledged that they will not return to the battlefield. these 100 prisoners are part of the taliban's technical team and the government's technical team during their negotiations in kabul. >> woodruff: the taliban said it has not verified that those released are in fact on e agreed-to list. just yesterday, talin officials said they broke off talkciting lack of progress the prisoner release. a truck driver pled guilty today in the deaths of 39 migrants found in a truck in england. maurice robinson entered a plea to manslaughter.hi refrigerated truck was discovered outside london last october.he police foundodies of vietnamese migrants who died of lack of oxygen and overheating.

police believe traffickers smuged them into england. the vatican has named a new commission today tconsider whether to ordain women as roman catholic deacons. pope francis created the panel, as the church faces a shortage of priests. deacons are allowed to preside at weddings, baptisms and funerals, but not to perform mass. a central figure in the impeachment of president bill clinton has died. her lawyer says linda trippwa passed atoday. he did not give a cause of death. tripp secretly recorded monica lewinsky discussing sexual encounters with the president. that led to his impeachment, but nahe was acquitted by the . linda tripp was 70 years old. and, grammy-winning singer- songwriter john prine died last night in nashville, after contracting the coronavirus. c his half-centueer began in chicago clubs, and earned accolades for songs depiing

ordinary people and their frustrations and pleasures. his best-known wor included "angel from montgomery" and "sam stone." john prine was 73 years old. still to come on the newshour:ar the governor onsas, on why his state in not sheltering in place. on the front lines with emergency room doctors. hemeless in the pandemic-- risks of living on the streets amid covid-19. plus, how coronavirus is rocking the navy. and, much more. >> woodruff: for states across the country battling coronavirus, grim reminders of the pandemic's toll come every day. in arkansas, one of just five states with no stay-at-home

order in place, the number of confirmed positive covid-19 cases crossed 1,000 to republican governor asa hutchinson joi me now from little rock. governor hutchinson, thank you very much for joining us.i as we just sd, over 1,000 confirmed cases today. how are you, doi how is the state managing al this? >> we're working hard, and thanks, judy, for theun oppoy to talk about some of the things we're doing in arkansas. we have a very targeted response to this. we've closed schools, we've closed bars and restaurants, hair salons, and down the list, a very targeted approach to it, in addition enforcing social distancing, and i've set the ample of wearing masks whenever you can't social distancing. we go in stores, probably three-fourthof people have masks on.

that's the kind of effort we're making in slowing the spread and, yes, it's having success. yes, we went to over 1,000 cases today, but, as you ca see, all the projections show that we're beating the projections, we're flattening that curve, and our hospitalization rate is one of the lowest, par oticularly inur region. and, so, whenever we're havingof this kinuccess, we will measure to see what more we need to do. if we need tdo more, we will. but right now, we are pouring everything we have into this effort. >> woodruff: as we said, you hare one of theandful of states that still has not issued a stay-at-home order to yr residents of, what, 3-some-million peoplthers. dr. anthony fauci of n.i.h. says he thinks all states should do we knumber of other w at. experts have said that. why did you decide not to? >> dr. futurey, since he made, that statemeve talked to some of the governors that have not issued an shelter place

and said you're doing things that arwhe complementary tat is being done and was pleased and he made the comment the other day. ei think realizes what we're doing supports the effkeort. you about a shelter-at-home, if we did it tomorrow or did it today in arkansas, you always exempt essential serces which means 7,000 arkansans would get up tomorrow, go to work, to thegr ery store, go out for all the states. is permitted in washington state has a shelter in place, but the marijuanas she open, you can still go get your marijuana. so the exemptions ovethrrid rule. we want to do things that actually work and make a difference in our scial distancing, our wearing masks is what is working in arkansas. >> woodruff: so yo don't think that by not require org ordering people to stay home unless they have to be out is not putting other people at

risk? >> no, i think that, as long as they do what they're supposed to do, which is social distancing, wear a mask when you're out, this accomplishes theurpose without doing something that really doesn't make a difference, which is acting lik' going to be doing something with a shelter in place when, in fat, everybody can still go out. people are using their own good judgment. the elderly ar staying at home. if you're not needed to be outth 're not going out, and, so, we're doing enforcement effortsi soidea that just because you don't have a technical shelter-in-place order in place that you're not doing enough, please look at the data, pease look at what were accomplishing, and we're doing as well or better than the neighbors who ve the shelter-in-place orders in place. >> woodrf: quickly, when a mayor or someone overseeing a

local jurisdiction,ayor of little rock, said they would like to go further where they are, you've said no. why? >> well, we want to have a statewide policy, and i've given the mayors, the local jurisdictions authority for limited curfews and to cse certain city or county facilities that might be problematic, if people are not following the restrictions on public gatherings. so we have enforcement tools in place, we're working together, but it should be a statewide policy whenever we're impacting >> woodruff: governor, are you getting what you need in order to treat the people who come down with the coronavirus in kansas? >> well, like i said, we have 80 hospitalizations, we he over 8,000 -- about 8,000 available beds, and we've eliminated our elective surgery, and, so, you can see hospitals that are empty right now and healthcare workers that are empty. but we have about 80 hospitalizations. we're watcng it very closely. our concern is the protective

equipment for our healthcare workers. we've about ehausted federal stock pyle that came to us, and, so, we're on the mket trying to bring it in. the challenge is getting flights ancargo to deliver those supplies to us from places like reina, where we'aking the acquisition. so we$7e investe million in arkansas to buy that protective equipment. we hope that arrives soon. >> woodruff: and finally, those who are out of work, arkansans oo are of work, small businesses that have had to close down temporarily, how confident are you that these folks are going to get the assistance that they need? >> well, i believe they will get the assistance. the federal money is starting to flow. there will still be some delay because, once the federal paycheck hits the state, we have to actually build a system in order to deliver some of the proceeds from the paycheckt protection aand, so, we've got to do a lot of work there.

the money for themp uneyed is starting to flow.o we've ssed about 100 -- over 100,000 claims to date, and they're starting to get those benefits. so the money is flo owing. so that is going to be a little bit longer, and the money for the larger businesses to keep the employees working and on the payroll, that money is starting to be available through our banks as well.>> oodruff: governor asa hutchinson of arkansas, we wish you the very best with all of this. thank you very much. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: new york ate now has roughly 150,000 confirmed cases of covid-19. that is more than any entire country in the world, outside of the united states.th heare workers on the front

lines are feeling the pressure acutely, not to mention the concerns for their own risks and for their families. amna nawaz has our conversation tonight on how that is playing out for an.r. doctor there. >> nawaz: over three weeks ago, dr. dara kass was working aroun ock, treating coronavirus patients in a hospital emergency ro in new york city, the epicenter of america's outbreak. within day she developed symptoms herself, and tested positive for the virus. after quarantining at home, she is now recovered, and this to continue to carthe frontlines influx of patients. she joins us now from new york city. dr. kass, let me start by saying we're all so glad that you are feeling better. we're all so grateful for the work you. do let's start with that.li how are you fe and describe what it was like, for us, when you were sick. >> first and foremost, i feel very lucky. my symonptoms werhe very mild side but they were very real, so i had muscle aches and

fatigue, i had a terrible cough. that basically interrupted all of my meetings and speeches. i had shoness of breath. i was walking from my room to the batoom i had to stop and be, like, am i okay? i had a hdache that was pretty persistent. there was a point where i was getting better from coronavirus, but i wasn't sure if i still had the symptoms or was replacing ii the anxiety and the panic of everything that was going onr porter: you're back in the emergency room. this week is your first shift back. you described it like a pressure cooker and the situation has changed a lot in new york sice then. tell me whatteth like back there today in that emergen room. >> eefore i went ou andven when i was sick and doing telemedicine, it felt like there was an increasing background of patients that we knew were at home but were getting sicker and we knew uld enup in the e.r. after twor three weeks we're seeing the level of patient in the e.r. that would be home and

now ten, twelve days into their illness, they come in and need ventilation and support, we're still ahead of the curve and we're seeg the social distancing paying off, so that's the most encouraginghing i've seen in the e.r. >> reporter: we have been hearing from ontline healthcare workers about the lack of p.p.e. and things they need to treat the coronavirus patients. do you have what you need? >> i think, today, we do. i think that torat's impnt to recognize that, every day, we need new ventilators, we need more p.p.e.s. they're using masks and glovess and go every single patient, and it's imptant we keep vigint on procuring the supply chain and getting ventilators from around the country and the stockpiles fromt new yo meet the need to have the patients we have in new york. i feel r today we're okay but every day that changes, and we ne to be aggressive to make sure the supplies are available to the frontline staff. >> reporter: i wanted to ask, before you got sick, you made a

tough call which was nd your kids who are twelve and ten and seven years old away from you to lithe witeir grandparents in the next state over. how hard a call wa that to make? >> it was a hard decision and it came to me in a moment. i had known there was about an 80% transmission rate in anyd given house healthcare workers are likely to get infected. i had a son who had a liver transplant when he was two. he's seven and relatively healthy and lks great. i didn't want them to have a chance of getting theus vir so i said pack them up, they probably like it better than my house, and send them there a few days. there's no data on when to come back together and we don't have enough tting in new york to test me negative. for now, they live at home, i live in a hotel. we'll do a zoom after bath time is over.

that the will be our experience. >> reporter: you haven't ieen your kia month. it must be hard. >> it isn't easy, everybody is making a sacrifice and this is mine. >> reporter: you are unique position because you survived the virus. you are on the front lines of treating people who have it. what advice do you for all the many people out there who are worried about getting it, ndwho are coping with it worried about their loved ones? >> i think that the most important ing i can say is take it one day at a time, right. realize that the majority of people that get this virus will be okay, but it ill be a hard-fought journey. just being hospitalized alone is traumatic. one to have the things which we're seeing is unexpected andy uncommon for mople is, when you get hospitalized with this, you're very munech alo it's hard for families who areus to advocating for their loved ones to not be able to hear about what is happeningwi them in the hospital. it's a one day at a time moment you have, address the problems

in front of you and keep moving forward as best you can. >> reporter: good advice for all of usegardless of the times we're in. us froma kass joinin new york city tonight. thank you very much, doctor, and stay safe. >> thank you so much. >> woodruff: as many americans do what they can to protect themselves and their communities from coronavirus, stephanie sy reports on how people experiencing homelessness are iquely vulnerable, and what's being done in some states to help them through the pandemic. >> reporter: until coronavirus came ashore, homelessness was the biggest epidemic in many u.s. cities. now, one crisis is colliding with another. >> people are supposed to stay in, but i don't see how that's possible when there's a lot of us around. >> they need to open up a

church, and quarantine and do something because they say it's ing to get worse beforit gets bette right now, i'm taking a chance right now.fe being out here, >> reporter: it's hard to follow safer-at-home orders when you don't have a he. pleventing the spread of covid-19 among pliving outside is particularly hard. jeffey norris is the medicalth director of joe's villages in san diego. >> the biggest concern within an encampment is that if covid-19 gts in there, you have vy, very few ways to mitigate the spread, to slow down the spread of that virus. >> reporter: and for the health of those individuals in encampments, to bring them inside, should that be aig priority n? >> yeah, should definitely be a priority. i think getting them access food, bathrooms, hand hygiene, in a way that's reasonly safe.

physical distancing sufficiently spread out is absolutely essential. if we don't do that and covid-19 gets io encampments, the risk of high death tes is >> reporter: crowded shelters are also potential incubators of the virus, and could accelerf e the spreadcovid-19. in recent years, infectis diseases such as hepatitis and typhus spread rapidly in these communities, and beyond. but, people experiencing homelessne are more at risk than tysy are a risk, saobby watts, c.e.o. of the nationalhe thcare for the homeless council. >> that is public health and epidemiologistni worst tmare. they are more vulnerable because they have weaker immune systems due to the chronic stress of not having a stable place to live, er not having good nutrition, of having more uing health conditions. and they are in contact, inre cote settings more frequently. so they are more vulnerable, and

ey are more likely to be exposed. this is a serious public health problem, and we have to treat it as such. >> reporter: cities have addressed the problem toarying derees in las vegas, a parking lot was set up in desperation, to pupeup hundreds ole who were displaced when a local shelter had to close due to a ngle coronavirus case. distancing guidelines here? painted boxes on the asphalt, completely unenforceable. the temporary fix was widelyic critized. former housing and urban development head julian castro tweeted, "there ar150,000 hotel rooms in vegas going unused right now." in san francisco, r.v.s are part of the alternative housing strategy for quarantining patients. the state has leased them through june. >> the intent of these vehicles are for people who have tested positives for covid-19, do not

require hospitalization, and have no place to go. >> reporter: and further south, in san diego, city officials have converted a hall in the massive convention center into a 1,500-cot communal dwelling with access to other basic services. >> meals, showers, restrooms, laundry services. most importantly health screens. >> reporter: but ask many people experiencing homelessness what ou they need, and its pretty simple: a room, and a restroom, of their own. how can people support homeless individuals at this time? >> give them a home. >> i think they should, instead of putting everybody in oneny room, maybe omes. because, you know, they're cheaper to maintain and stuff >> if there were more find showers to clrselves?ts to to be honest, with the virus going around, the biggest fear is not being able to clean.

we can't wash ouhands, we're exposing ourselves. >> reporter: with lockdowns grounding tourists and business travelers, some states are procuring hotel rooms for those who are at high risk or have covid-19 symptoms. californ governor gavin newsom, who has projected up to 60,000 homeless people could contract the virus and overwhelm hospitals, says the state is trying to secure 15,00l rooms. >> what we want to do is relie the stress in our shelter system so we can separate individuals and ultimately, again, relieve the impact in our medical care delivery system. >> reporter: boston is planning to allocate beds for the homeless in vacant dorm rooms and abandoned medical facilities. norris says special attention should be given wh transitioning people from a shelter environment to a private room. >> the challenge with hotel rooms is that the number of staff and the amount of case

management support to manage a large numberf rooms like that is substantial. a lot of individuals who are coming out of a shter setting into a hotel room require a lot of care, not just health care, but social services support. >> reporr: providing more permanent housing and healthcare to all the half a llion people experiencing homelessness in the u.s. at any given time is no easier now than it was before the pandemic. >>s tndemic has exposed the structural inequities in our, and weaknesses in our health care and housing systems and policies. the sa things that we are doing now to reduce the epidemic ardthe things that we shoul have always been doing. and they are the things that we shount continue to do to preve the next epidemic. >> reporter: as covid-19 continues to spread revealing america's extremes, and many locales are urgently addressing t needs of their st vulnerable citizens. advocates only wish it hadn't

taken a pandemic for them to do so. for the pbs newshour, i'm stephanie sy in phoenix. >>oodruff: now, to how the pandemic is affecting the u.s. military. as of this morning, the pentagon says it has more than 3,00 positive cases across the services. that includes more than 150n sailors onerican aircraft carrier currently docked in guam.ts that createdwn story. nick schifrin has re. >> schifrin: judy, it has been a toh week for the navy. first, the captain of theft aircraarrier "theodore roosevelt" wrote a remarkable memo, requesting to evacuate 90a of his crew of an outbreak of covid-19. a in responsing navy

secretary thomas modly relieved him, saying he had gone around thchain of command. modly then flew to the "theodor" roosevn guam, and gave a blunt speech, including this statement: >> schifrin: yesterday, modly resigned, after widespread critism. for more on this, i'm joined by he served as chair theullen. joint chiefs of staff during the george w. bush and obama administrations. admiral, thank you very much.ba welcom to the "newshour". how dining do you think the navy has handled this siuation? >> as you've said, it's been a tough week, an it was very clear that the navy couldn' in front of this early enoug before the acting secretary

modly grabbed it and obvusly made up his mind to remove the c.o.fu there are an lot of issues associated with that. that said, i didn't think captain crozier's conduct rose to where should have been relieved. >> reporter: what was told us is capta crozier went out of the chain of command, he sent mis meo electronically, didn't the hall literalom him at down the time. is that citicism legitimate? >> well, i think that, certainly, captain crozier did not handle all of it exceptionally well and it is, indeed, strange that he appeare not to have much of a relationship with his immediate boss who was embarked on the ship with him. that said, i think what captain crozier was what allo.s try

to do, take care of their people and especially in the middle of a crisis and it was an exponential crisis. mothin crozier's letter is a cry for help anving as fast as possible because he was afraid some of his young sirs were going to die. he didn't do it smooth will you, but, at the same time, it didn't meet the standard i think where he should have been relieved. >> reporter: we've talked about howry secreodly did have to go, in your opinion. do you think he had to go fired captain crozier or the language he used on the theodor? roosevel >> i listened to his speech on the theodore roosevelt . i've never heard any senior civilian or senior officer talk like that to the crew and, from my perspective, when he walked off that ship, that was the time for him to walk out of the navy. there just wasn't my question about it. didn't have any credibility left with the troops, he didn't have

any credibility left,ly apparewith the administration so he really, for the good of the navy, he needed to move on,h which is he did. >> let's broaden the discussion to the overall response to covid 19. we've now seen thousands of members of the military come back with positive responses. i've spoken to some peoople wh criticized secretary esper for a couple of things, one, not responding quickly enough, but also deputizing some of these decisions to lower-level commanders, allowing lowever commanders to decide how to respond to covid 19. is that l aegitimate criticism? how do you think the pentagon has done overall in response to covid 19. >> i think the response toonave the pents not unlike the country's, how do you get ahead of this becauo it moves quickly and you don't have the testing ability to find out how serious it is. there are certain forces in

e south korea that have doll on this because it appears general abrams moved as the south koreans moved very, very rapidly. decisions are always fraught witr how much do you c and how much do you let your commands take care of? by and large e mlitary at the commander level, the flag andle general officeel, should have a good ndle on how to handle this and then they delegate it down or give direction down the chain of command to hane it well. there certainly is some evidence it's not well understood the waterfront, there are differences in how it's handled on the waterfront and that need to be solidified, not just the navy but throughout therv es. >> reporter: going forward, do you feel the navy is ready to p handledemic, to handle thisind of medical challenge as it's trying to handle the challenge that china poses? >> actually, i think the navy is ready to do that and actually has been hdling it for weeks,

and it needs to obviously have the right tcus, make sure tha the measures that are taken are minimizing the risk to the troops and putting the troops in a position where their priority and at the same time aware to five the mission spelly out in the western pacific with respect to china, and leaders need to focus hard on getting it right. >> reporter: admiral, you just said a challenge for all leaders. i have to ask, nkw do you thi president trump has responded to this crisis? >> i think it's pretty wela consensus that we haven't acted very quickly -- the administraon hasn't acted very:00ly and, from a leadership standpoint, you know, when you're in a crietsz, there's nobody more critil than a leader. at any level of the chain of command of any organization. i think it's important that leaders, what the president addition to what he does, leaders need to walk the walk, not just talk the and i think that's really critical for

the country and actually r the world. >> reporter: and it sounds like you're criticizing the president, sounde you're suggesting that he hasn't done that. >> well, i'll let you deduce what you want to from that comment. >> reporter: admiral mike mullin former cairman to have joint chiefs of staff, thank you very much. >> woodruff: now to scandinavia, where sweden is experiencing a rising death toll amid doubt over its more relaxed strategy to combat covid-19. meanwhile, its neighbor denmark is set to ease some of its lockdown restrictions, becauseof drop in the number of infections and deaths. special correspondent malcolm brabant lived in the danish capital for seven years, but joins us tonight from his home outside london.ol ma >> reporter: judy, tonight, we're still in lockdown in britain.ta here, weed off like

sweden, with very limited restrictions, but then the government switched to the danish model of an almost total shutdown. this is a story of two similar nordic cultures, that differ widely on how to handle covid- 19. or a time when most of the is shuttered, sweden is open for business. markets and shops are trading. restaurants are serving. schools are educating. the swedes advocate limited social distancing. vulnerable, while allowing thehe virus to spread through healthy people so they can develop antibodies. this is designed to create so-called herd immunity, which theoretically should result in most people being safe. but today, the health authorities announced a further 96 fatalities. last night, presidenp criticized the swedish approach. they talked about swede but sweden is suffering very greatly. you know that, right? swedenid that-- the herd. they call it the herd. i- reporter: the swedish a

virus campaign is being led, not by the country's pme minister, but by anders tegnell, an epidemiologist with experience of fighting eba in africa. he responded to mr. trump this afternoon. >> no, we don't share his opinion. of course we areevuffering. ybody in the world is suffering right now, in different ways. icbut swedish healthcare, i guess he alludes to, it's very difficult to understand, is taking care of this iny, very good manner. >> reporter: fellow scientsot marcus carn despairs ofsw en being so out-of-step with most of the world. >> this, to me, sounds a bit ke a madman. we are here playing russian roulette with the swedish populaon. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: king carl gustav hinted at disapproval of government tactics as he urged swedes to cancel the traditional annual getaway to country cabins. >> ( translated ): some ofhis

will not be possible this easter. we have to accept this. we have to rethink and adjust to staying at home. >> my view is that it is a hopeful thing, that sweden is taking another path, that we don't have these draconian measures with police walking the reets stopping people fr leaving their homes, and the military and son. >> reporter: novelist andws per columnist lena andersson approves of what she believes is swedish common sense. >> so i see it as sound rationality. once you get this explained by experts, people are grown up and adult enough to realize that it's the wise thing to do. >> it's not that we have to pick between locking down society for two years, or going for herd immunity to infections, which is what the swedes are doing. >> reporter: we met iranian-born economist tino sanandaji in 2015. he's renownefor challenging conventional swedish thought, and wishes the country had

followed some asian models. >> the south koreans are containing it. they use mass testing, tracking and other technologies, masks. since that option exists-- because i believe that option does exist-- the swedish authorities have sort of dismissed it. it's just, "south korea is different, we can't do that." why? >> reporter: in sweden the rate of deaths stands at 69 per million and rising, whereas five miles away, across the bridge in denmark, it's 39 per million. ♪ ♪ the danes love community singing and what they call hygge, which translates as being cozy while staying at home.e the stoadcaster has combined both components with a daily televid sing-a-long during a month-long lockdown. national spiritsere lifted further earlier this week when danish students in the last semester of high school were promised the chance of graduationwith perhaps a more restrained party than usual. they could resume their education after easter.

pupils aged under ten will also return to school. but, amid concerns that there could be a resurgence of the virus, most businesses will remain locked down for a further month. prime minister mette frederiksen. >> ( translated ): in reality, it will be a bit like a high wire act. if we stop up, we can fall. if,e move forward too quick something else can go wrong. and that is why we have to take one utious step at a time. >> i am very, very happy to have this.in denmark during all of it's a political decision, but it is extremely reassuring. and for me, yes, i think theygo it right. >> reporter: we met nordic expert michael booth four years ago. he's the author of a book called "the almost nearly perfect people." >> we know the danes are the happiest people in the world, but they are also thmost trusting. the levels of trust between peirle, from the people to t institutions and even to their politicians, which is the most remarkablehing, from a british

or american point of view.re >> reporter: t a sense of relief amongst danes that the curve appears to be flattening, and rsat their restraint appea to be paying off. meik wikg runs a danish think tank focussed on well-being, happiness and quality of life. we first met him in copenhag four years ago. >> i think this is a testimony to the importance of trust. in political institutions, that people are backing theid ines. usually, we also see that >>g,eporter: for the time be danes will keep on community singing. but, the swedes have been warned that the rising death toll may force the government to ange its tune and impose tougher restrictions. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant. >> woodruff: and on the newshour online, we posed your questions about taking care of mental

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