captioning snsored by newshour productions, llc i>> woodruff: good evenin judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, another week in a changed world. global deaths surpass 100,000, as americans reel from the dual health and economic crises, and small business owners struggle to hold on as covid-19 bears down. then, senator bernie sanders on his withdrawal from the democratic presidential primary race and the challenge the nation faces with the epidemic. plus, on good friday we examine holy week during a pandemic as pope frances celebrates in a vacant vatican. m and it's fridak shields and david brooks analyze the latest on the pandemic, and this week when thoughts turn to easter, passover and a role for faith. all that and more on tonight's

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new high, just over four months after it began. the worldwide death toll passed 100,000 today. that figure included some 18,000 deaths in the unit states, nearly doubled from a week ago. meanwhile, president trump talked anew of restarting the economy, butaid he will listen to his health advisers. john yang begins our coverage. >> yang: at the end of the week that officials predicted would ber.he height of the crisis, anthony fauci said things are improving. >> we're srting to see the leveling off and coming down. >> yang: but he cautioned that wheneverestrictions are relaxed, coronavirus cases are likely to increase. >> when we decide at a proper time when we're going to be relaxing some of the strictions, there's no doubt you're going to see cases. i would be so surprised if you did not see cases. the question is how you respond to them.si >> yang: pnt trump said a new task force would be formed nd get the nation back to business as soons safely

as possible. w re going to go back to we're looking at a date, we're hoping we'll be able to fulfill a certain day but weane not doing hing until we know this country is healthy. >> yang: in hard-hit new york, for the first time since the beginninof the outbreak, the state reported a net decline in intensive care unit admissions lstoday, mirroring pattern seen in another hot spot: california. governor gavin newsom warned it's not time yet for the state to let its guard down. >> let's continue to hold the line and let's just do this together. give us a few more weeks to see dhere these trend lines go an the end we'll be talking a lot >> yang: in los an mayor eric garcetti's order took effect mandating that shoppers wear masks in places like groc-y stores and pharmacies- an effort to protect essential retail workers. overnight, frontline workers were honored in cirkes like new dallas and chicago, which

lit up their skylines in blue. in washington, d.c., which is bracing for a likely surge in covid-19 cases, the mayor asked churches to move easter services online. >> i want to thank all of our faith communities and religious leaders who are helping save lives by helping their services online and encouraging members of their congregations to celebrate from home. >> yang: from australito the philippines many faithful turned to online good friday services, including the mass pope francis' said in a mostly empty st. peter's basilica. but in dusseldorf, germany, parishioners took things off- line. gaering at a drive-in movie theater, for a ceremony that, even with worshippers in their vehicles, brought the feeling of yearning for.they had been

>> ( translated ): in the current times, this is a unique opportunity to be with the parish insteadf at home. we're here with friends. there are friends all over here in their cars, and we think it's amazing to have the chance to celebrate together. certainly unforgettable. >> yang: meanwhile, european union finance ministers agreed to a $590 billion package to combat the unprecedented economic fallout of the pandemic. for the pbs newshour, i'm john yang. >> woodruff: this week, the democratic primary effectively bernie sanders announced he is suspending his presidential campaign. the senator from vermont joins me now. welcome to the "newshour".r, senaou said, on wednesday, when you made the announcement, you were doing this, in part,

because of the pandemic and, as you said, it would be difficult to cntinue under the circumstances. today, you announced aroposal to guarantee healthcare during this period.hi who isaimed at? >> well, it's aimed at the tens of millions of workers who are j losing thebs, judy, and, when you lose your job, you lose your healthcare. who are uninsured --lion people underinsured before the crisis, you've got tens rof millions moe who are not going to have any health insurance, and it's myha view in the midst of this terrible, terrible crisis, when people havrso much to wory about, the least we can do is to say to all of those people, you know what, you go to the docto when you're sick, don't worry ls,ut the healthcare bi medicare will fill in all the gaps and cover those people who are unnsured or underinsured today. >> woodruff: and do you have support for this among democratic colleagues? >> yes, we do, and there's

support in the house, and i think you're going to see growing support in the senate, and i think tt the cost is reasonable. it will be about 150 billion over four months, whch, given everything that we're dealing with, is not a lot of money. but to sy to every american that, don't worry about the costs of helthcare, you're not going to have to pay it out of your own pocket, you're nota going to to pay for prescription drugs, i think that will take a hugburden off the oulders of so many of our people, and that is the very least that we should be doing right now. >> woodruff: senator, let's talk about this election,hat, after 15 months of pour-your-heart-out cam pinning and this after you spent years campaigninin 2016, y had to make this announcement that you didn't want make. this is not where you wanted this to end up. but as you look back, what went right and what went wrong? >> well, look, i think that what went right is that, for all

itents and purposes, judy, i think we've won the ideological battle. k ideas that i fought for four or five years ago whichy everybnsidered to be radical and extreme are now part of thetr maim discussion and, in fact, many are being implemented across the country --i raisingimum-wage to $15 an hour, making public housing andn uiversity tuition free, forgiving student get, guaranteeingar healt climate change, immigration efreform, criminal justicem, many ideas we brought forth which were originally rearected now moving forward, and i think that is the best thing we have accomplished. furthermore, we have won the generational struge. we did very poorly -- and i don't know why, to tell you the truth -- with older people, but we have done phenomenally well with older people and, by that, i mean people 45, 50 or younger,

and the truth is that is the auture of america. so the ideas twe have fought for are gaining momentum among younger people and will be the policies that guide america in the future. >> woodruff: seator, i was just going to say, i think the numbers show you didn't do as well with young people as you had in 2016. but what i want to k youabout is you are supporting -- at least you acknowledge joe biden will be theminee, and, yet, yore going to compete against him in the primaries to come. at is the value of that? >> no, we're not competing against -- we don't -- there's no active campaigning, there's nothing to comte abut. joe biden will, everything being equal, be the nominee. but i think my name will be on is, in all of the remainingit states that hold primaries.o we would liket as many delegates as we can so that we have a stronger position at the

democratic convention to help us shape the new platforof the democratic party and the other issues the d.n.c. dels. which you say you want to shape the platform and yet i think it appears from the y last conventions, it's what the nominee wants th ultimately matters. right now, joe biden has moved in your direction. he's talked about lowering ther age edicare eligibility to 60. he's talked about makinfree college tuition more available. but, at the same time, he i -- has not endorsed medicare for all. sherrod brown, liberal democrat, was on the show two nights ago and said he doesn't think joe biden is going to do that. is that sufficient for you?ju >> well, look, what i said on the very first day i bgan my campaign, i said, if i lose, i will be there to support the imocraticnner, the person who wins the nomination because

i think that donald tump is the most dangerous president in the modern history of this countan, we all have got to rally around the winner to defeat ceump, and that'rtainly what i will do. but i hope, in the coming weeks and months, i will be working bd my staff wi working j wi biden and his team in making the point that, if joe is going to do well against trump and is going to def trump, then he is going to have to reach out effectively to a whole lot of people where he has not had the kind of support that het needs, aat's lower-income people, that is younger people, and he's going to have to give those peope understanding that he hears them and he's moving to respond to their concerns, and that deals with climate change, it dea th making public colleges and univeres tuition-free. in my view it deals with, you're support medicare for all, and i

think there is significant path forward for him to make sure that when so many people are losing their private insurance that th federal government will be there for them to cover their hethcare needs. >> woodruff: you have said that you campaigned enthusiastically for hillary inton four years ago. will you do exactly the same for joe biden? will youre moe enthusiastic? because as you know many democrats look back and say they wished you had done more. >> well, many democrats oppose me in the democratic establisent from day one. all i can tell you is in 2016 i worked as hard as i could to see trump was defeated and clinton cted.l >> woodruff: and will this year be different? >> this year, i will work as hard as i can to make sure donald trump is not reelected and joe biden bes president. but i hope in the interval here, what we have got to do is -- you is -- not only is he a decent

guy, he is a good politician and he ur derstands that fm to win, to get the votes that he listen to and respond to the needs of a whole lot of people who have not been overly enthusiastic about his campaign up to now. >> woodruff: but you are saying you will be enthusiastically supporting him, a key decision that he's going to have toake, of course, is for vice president. he has said he will choose a man. let me ask you how your supporters would view it if he chose elizabeth warren? >> well, i think i can't speo for almy supporters. ali can say is that i think the more progressive th vice presidential candidate that he nominated, the better it would be rin tems of the kind of response that our suppoprer3 woulide him. >> woodruff: so if it were amy klobuchar? >> i can't speculate on that. you know, joe ivs going to hae

to make that decision himself. i have not been involved in that discussion, we'll see what he does. >> woodruff: repub cans this we wisconsin took steps to take mres to prevent it making easier for people tovo , either to delay the election or make mail inn ballots possible. at the national lel.epublicans how concerned are yo in nvo about accessoting for americans across the board? >> judy, il will tu i don't know i have ever within a political context seen anyin republicans in the legislature in this country in their supreme court played in terms of this primary. what they essentially said to people is you're going to have to put yor life on the line in order to cast a ballot, and that

is just unbelievably disgraceful, and that is not what we can allow to happen in future elections. an it is a very, very high priority for mei think for many other democrats, as we go forward on the new piece of aegislation -- and i've got a lot of ideas on t one -- but certainly one of the highest prioties must be to make sue that every american in this country is able to vote through a paper ballot in november.re and thblicans, i must say, ar -- theypretty cle understand that if there is a large voter turnout they are not going to dl so wel and they're fighting us. but i hope their respect for ou constitution for democracy will prevail and they understand people dhould not have toie or get sick in order to cast a ballot. i should also te you that ins te the new legislation, we're working very hard not only to make sure all people have healthcare but people who continue to get their paychecks.

i think that is the easiest, most efficient way to get us out of this economic disaster that we're in right now, just making sureryhat e american continues to receive his or her paycheck w a long way to allowing americans to have a decent standard of living as sis. as we're in this cri >> final question and quickly, senator, who leads the progressive mement that bernie sanders started next? who are the next leaders of your movement? >> you're asking me to splai speculate. i'm not much into speculation. but what i will say is,ht r now, literally, as we speak, i have been on the phone with progressives all across this country figuring out the best way that we can keep our kind of unprecedented grassroots movement strong and growing. so we are a stong movement and history will determine what happens in the future, but right now, we are working hard to build that movement.o >> wdruff: senator bernie sanders joining us tonight from

vermont. senator, thank you very much. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, members of the opec oil cartel, along with russia and mexico, agreed to cut global production by up to 10 million barrels a day. that amounts to a tenth of the world oil supply, in an effort to boost oil prices and stabilize global oil markets. the price of crude oil has fallen more than 50% since the start of the year. u.s. attorney general william barr says he believes the russia investigation of president trump and his campaign was a travestyg e that assessment during an interview that aired on fox news last night. and, he said the f.bver should have begun the investigation in the first place. started this inveson ofy his campaign and even more

concerning actually is what happened after the campaign, the whole pattern of events while he was president so i, to sabotage the presidency. >> woodruff: barr gave no details, but he already orded a review of how the russia probe investigation began. a justice department ior general has determined the f.b.i. was justified in launching the probe. as the coronavirus pandemic gains momentum in africa, ebola resurfaced today in congo. health officials reported a man died after being infected. it was the first new case there in more than iseven weeks. and, it came just days before congo hoped to declare the outbreak had ended. it began in august 2018, and ham kille than 2,200 people. and, in east africa, vast swarms of locusts are devastating crops and threatening millions of people with hunger. the first wave, weeks ago, was

the worst in 70 years. bigger is sweepingos sects are fillingfids and covin, threatening rural communities. officials say restrictions related to the covid9 pandemic have delayed critical aeal spraying. still to come on the newshour: feeling the pain-- small businesses struggle to getrn gont support before their business collapses.am holy wee a pandemic-- pope francis celebrates in a vacant vatican. analyze another weerid brooks social distance. and a recipe for coping with cookbook author ina garten.

>> woodruff: the economic emergency that's tied directly to the pandemic is especially brutal for small businesses t arou country. in many cases, some owners are beginning to face questions this spring about whether theiran businessurvive. amna nawaz has more on the store of troubles pere facing. >> nawaz: a sudden and complete drop in business has left many businesses strugglinout sales or income. the government is trying to help. as part of a two trillion dollar aid package sign into law by e president, nearly $350 billion will be used to ensure banks provide loans and loan forgeness for small businesses. but small business owners say they are having major trouble getting their loan applications moving through banks and t small business administration, or s.b.a., which coordinates deralibution of those funds. here's what a few small business owners shared with us. >> my name is justin moore. i'm the genel manager of uncle bobbie's coffee and books in

germantown, philadelphia. like most retail spaces it's been a bit onightmare since the middle of last month. i guess the biggest pa pointe for me since wosed our doors has been worrying about everybody's wellbeing, not just from a hlth standpoint but financially as well. and we have these recurring expenses, these bills including rent and insurance that we have no way of being able to pay without some assistance by the s.b.a. >> my name's greg hunicutt and our company is hunnicutt construction and design in houston, texas. we bank with wells fargo.l ey communicated to me after i registered was we're ill not ready to actually do the application process. and please don't contact us again! >> my name is travis powell and i own the best western plus frontier motel in lone pine, california. it's a small town of 2,000 people and both of our banks,he neone of which is affiliated with the s.b.a. in any way. i sat do and sent out either

32 applications and/or contact forms filled out online. i've heard back ofom about half hose and they all state the same thing that at this timeer we're onlycing people with existing loans or existing >> my name's chris goslin and i have owned bsalon since 2002. i called our, my husband and my bank. and i was told that there were over 400 appcations and at this point i would be on a waitlist. i could get by clearly this month and maybe next month. but i did tell my husbanthat if we're out through may and into june, i might have to start looking for some sort of job. >> i am jennifer myers pulidore, owner of myers of keswick, a british specialty food store in greenwich village, manhattan,w rk.

and i have tried, i guess you can say, since fridail 3rd to apply for the s.b.a. loan. basically, the biggest challenge has been trying to actually get throd click submit so that i know that my application has gone t rough. >> we'ning out of money rapidly. i'm in the process of the cares act to borrow from my from my 401k and that will allow me p my employees for about a month more. they're at part time right now being paid. >> we have four full time employees. we paid. i paid them for two weeks. e at was two weeks ago we're in week thw. i have not paid them this week. >> i understand that things are going to be slow because we're dealing with some extenuating circumstances, but at this point almost a month after we've timetable at this point.of >> you know, that you're kind of in a race to fill this out and get this application submitted and you think you're moving

along and then boom, you get bumped out. so you wonder how many people actually got to click submit before you. and it's very daunting. i've lost a bit of sleep over it. >> nawaz: that loan program they mentioned is known as the paycheck protection program, or p.p.p. businesses with fewer than 500 workers can quality. ey can use that money to pay for up to two months of payroll, leases and utilities. and those loans, in some cases, can be forgiven. we're going to talk through the details of that program and what businesses are facing right now with lisa desjardins, who joins me now. sa, you can hear in thei voices the anxiety, the concern, the worry, how representative are some of those stories with what's happeng across the board right now? >> amna, i and our team have been talking to a f small businesses and those are completely representative of what's happenin there's a massive boteneck in trying to get this money,

incredible demand and not the ability to get it out. the specific issues of what's happening, right at the front of it, banks are limiting these loans. that is, in part, because some large corporate baks feel they're under cnstraints and smaller banks worry about the balance sheet that they can't handle as much as volume as the demand entails. part of this is banks are not getting very much sp guidance from the government as to exactly who qualifies for these loans, the nitty gritty details they need they say they're not getting. so all of this has led to long usit, sometimes a waitto get your application in, much less to know if your application has been apved. >> lisa, navigating a federal process even without a global frustrating proce can be a how much of that bottleneck is due to the fact that this isn justprecedented? this kind of program at this kind of scaleha >> yeah,s the right question. absolutely, that is part of the problem. no one country -- no country,e

certainly not s. has evr tried something like tis before. program looks li a sense of scope of all of this. so the total proam, as you reported, is about $349 billion in funding no been approved so far. just in the past two weeks that it's been in existence, i'm told as of today some $151 billion has been approved for small businesses. all of last year the s.b.a. loanedut ony $28 billion. so in the course of the last two weeks, they've loan five times what they did all of last year. so this is unprecedented and it's fair toto say they're working as hard as ty can. but, amna, there are others who say the s.b.a. and congress themselves should have thought about this a month ago, six weeks ago when they knew an economic tsunami was coming. >> lisa, here even in thest ies of the folks and the

experiences, there is variation in their stories. you think about who had accessar to capital kets and ninancing, evengain, whe pandemics aren't going on, whether you're a minority or rural business, is any of the recovery effort gead towards evening out some of these inequities? >> no, noyet, and that's something that's really been discussed. i think that, right now, this is abuntested program, it's not clear where the problems are, that's why we're reporting on it right now. but you could hear in those stories the divsity of experience from the construction owner and salon owner who had applied and were just waiting in a very long line to hear from their banks, to travis, a hoel owner in rural america, who really wasn't sure he could find v bank to support him because so many banks hae limited this loan only to current customers, and many banks in rural america don't carry s.b.a. loans, they're not part of ths

process, usually. so that has left rural america in a tougher position than others. >> so, lisa, what about congress? what are they workingn? is there more potential help on the way? >> there is talk. a everyorees in washington more money is needed for this. divide it.ree about how to the president wants 250 billion more just in general for small businesses. democrats want it to be targeted to community banks, especiall the rural ones, and for disasr loans and assistance. but i want to give people a sense of how this wor o where we're at. so for small bunesses, 48% of this nation's workers work for small bus% inesses, and 90 them told the national federation of independent businesses, a major small business group, 90% said theyng are experienn impact from the coronus. that's a huge surge in just the last couplof wee. moreover, amna, most said theyey don't think ould survive

two months without help. what's happening is this is a tuation where there is an economic as much as a healthcare rve and if there is not help for these businesses just in the next couple of weeksould see some businesses that feel they might have to turn to bankruptcy. so the time is very critical for many of these businesses. >> the time is very critical. the help is critically needed, too. lisa desjardins, reporting for us tonight. thanks, lisa. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: today, on good friday, the italian prime minister announced a further lockdown of his stricken nation until at least may 4th. and in israel, a nationwide stay-at-home order remains in effect. with empty streets in rome and iae sacred sites of the old city of jerusalem, sp correspondent sabina castelfranco reports on a very different holy week.

vatican this year: no faithful, b snosists, only the police se rules. everyone here muy indoors to stop the spread of covid-19.a authorities arng no chances, and after weeks of lockdown appears tking:-week the number of newly infected is declining. the streets of the eternal city lie empty, nearly devoid of life. famous landmarks like the colosseum and e trevi fountain deserted. the vatican too has had a small number infected inside its walls and adopted similar distancing measures. as the crisis peaked, pope francis delivered lastan extraordinary and stark urbi et orbi message, to rome and the world. >> ( translated ): we have realizede in the same boat, all of us fragile and

disoriented, b at the same time, important and needed, all of us called to row together. >> reporter: palm sunday is the start of holy week and st. peter's square is normally packed with tens of thousands, waving palm fronds and olive branches.r. but not this y inside st. peter's basilica, pope francis and attendants celebrated a lonely mass. >> ( translated tragedy we are experiencing in these days, summons us to take serioua the thingsare serious, and not be caught up in those that matter less. >> reporter: pope francis decided that all holy week ceremonies this year would be held behind closed doors in saint peter's basilica except for one, the way of the cross. that solemn moment rs jesus's death by crucifixion more than 2000 years ago. the way of the cross candle-lit procession is traditionally held at rome's anent colosseum and attended by thousands of

faithful. this year, pope francis prayed in an empty saint ter's squarepo the 83-year-ol, alone. in jusalem, normally packed sree eerily deserted. lie here along these ancient stone paths, jesus is said to have walked and suffered the 14 stations of the cross, on the via dolorosa, or painful path, to crucifixion. atoday in jerusalem, onlyew friars walked the path, in a procession usually marked by thousands of pilgrims. father francesco patton lamented the loss, but saw meaning in t struggles of so many: >> when i think to those who are in the hospitals and in the houses fighting with the coronavirus, in some way theye lking a very hard and

personal via dolorosa. at the church of the holy who began celebrating passover this week marking rebirth and deliverance from an gent egypted to fre. in the city, the beating heart remain.e face only the cats at the church of the holy sepulchre, built over the spot where jesus christ was said to have been crucified and buried, the ancient doors closed for the first time in nearly 7 years, since the black plague. in paris today, the ci's archbishop, michel aupetit,

celebrated mass in the charr hulk of notre dame, nearly a year after the catdral burned. >> ( translated ): today, we are in this half-fallecathedral to say that life still exists. >> reporter: a crown of thorns, as jesus is said to have worn on the cross, rescued after the fire lay on a makeshift altar. >> ( translated ): it's a magnificent symbol that tells us that you will accompany us in the height of our suffering. >> reporter: easter sunday at the vatican normally marks the holiest day in the christian calendar as the faithful the world over celebrate the resurrection of jesus. this year, it will be different in saint peter's square,s pope francis delivers his message of hope andenewal to a world in sore need of both. for the pbs newshour, i'm sabina castelfrco in rome.

>> woodruff: and now it is time for the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields d "new york times" columnist david brooks. hellto both of you. let's -- here we are, what is it, three weeks, mark, since the first stay-at-home order.th united states is now, by the count we see, has almost one-third the cases of coronavirus of the entire worlda how is it u.s. doing -- how is the u.s. doi ithis fight? collectively to a reality, ating terrible reality. character is destiny, we're seeing character and leadership, we're seeing society's hros change from investment bankers

and buyout artists to all of a sudden pople stop and plaud hospital workers and nurses and doctord an firefighters and emergency people. that is a change. it's a recognition of theim rtance of what people -- it's a recognition of what grocery store workers do to keei our country , the sacrifices that so may people are making are truly breathtaking and admirable and i think that, to me has been the signal characteristic. >> woodruff: and, david, how would you say the country is doing both at the federal lev and at the state level? you don't get a sense of great competence and expertise at the federal level. you do get a little more at the state lev. the ath surmounting, the economy is crashing down around ed. i am focn mental health. i asked 6,000 of my "new york

times" readers to we are to me about how their mental health is doing. people are hurting. three groups in particular. a young peope feeling their hopes and dreams are dashed and there's a sense of hopelessness, not eating, not sleeping, cryine onsofa. senior citizens also badly hit, especially widows and widowers, that sense of crushing isolation, and those with mentar healthblems or those who already had mental health problems who are now seeing these relapses. so there's another mental health curve. yet i think america is still hanging toether. faith in our institutions is pretty good. there's nobody rioting in the nstreets or lootingody saying anything but what we have d do which is just hunker down. >> woodruff: maryou see the scaffolding in place, the infrastructure, whatever you want to call it, the support systems in place to help people >> no, judy, i think, ironically, it's bernie sandersa

moment after tinterview. i mean, if anything has laid bare the income and economic inequality and dithsparity ins country, beginning with healthcare, 10 million peopln' i know how many million have lost their healthcare in the past three weeks, but what bernie sanders talked about ise laid bfore us right now. i will say, to david's point about confidence growing, it isr but it'swing in an interesting way ino gvernors and in mayors, in local government, less so in the fedveal ment, less so in the president. confidence in the president is not. governors who havlyating that television shows have done very well. mike dewine ino is at 80% approval. chris so new new,

new hampshire -- s, favorable. donald trump is not. why? his daily doses, his substitute for his rallies are full of self-pity, full of invective, ll of complaintss he's not getting the appreciate he should get. contrast that with the governors who are providing empathy, direction, information, encouragement and facts, and i really think there's a distinct difference and people see it.dr >> woof: and, david, what's your assessment of the president? he is holding highs daily briefings which sometimes runal two, two and ahours, and now he is talking about announcing next week what he's calling a get back to opening up commission, opening the country up council, if yis will. his what the country needs

to hear at tis point? >> i think it is. we need to know what ase two is. we know we're going to hunker down for a while, we've got to know what the world will look like when we come out of. this the plans are circulating, a lot of private plans. they tend to focus on massive amounts of testing, way more than we have now, and tracing where you have an app on your phone and somebody, the government, i don't know who, bill gates, would track wherever you go, who you came into contact with and if you th theted somebody w virus they would let you know and you self-dolate. that k of pulling out of this is incredibly daunting but it'ms ing we're going to have to figure out as we slowly emerge from this. so i'm gladding te president is heading up this committee. the problem is, as i have been toa, is t everybody on that committee has to be 100% loyal, so if you said anything nasty about donald trump, you don't qualify for the committee, and that basically guarantees a very low level of confidence in that

committee. style, yokore know, loyalty tests are going to be crushing to the competencef any effort going forward. >> woodruff: interesting, because when the president was ked about it today, he said he was not paying attention, mark, to anyone's political identification, whether they belong to the republican or the democratic party. >> and judy, at which point his nose starts to grow. this is all the president has done since he was acquitted from the impeachment is to settleto scoreso after career professionals, dedicated professional public servants who have given honest testimony and, because they did so, they're fired, they're susnded, they're ostracized, they're we have a loyalty administration at this point, and that's one ason, judy, why the next deal with congress becomes almost imposschle.

steve mn, press secretary, worked well with nancy pelosi the democratic speaker, but he can't deliver donald trump. his word doesn't mean anythin steve mnuchin says donald trump, as soon as the ink was even dry in the last legislation, he refused to honor the legislation and the oblofigatio oversight that the congress has when you' spending trillions of dollars. so, i mean, no, i really think we're in a grave situation in otrms of leadership. >> woodruff: onr thing i want to ask you about involving the president, david, and that is his firing over the past week of two inspectors general,er and one over the intelligence commity, the other on at the pentagon overseeing how this money is being spent, toight the pandemic. >>f nel,eweo'd s arrfre north kn loyalty tests. it's a political vendetta. you have to be totally loyal. in world war ii therthe

truman committee led by harry triewmen which did everything on a bipartisan census to crack profiteering, phenomenallyar successful and people in their own par wee willing to look to the administration if they coulsaveives and fight war more effectively, and we won't be getting that. we're facing falling challenges, one is trust. there has tbe oversight and we have to have faith in each other. with a lack of trust, it's hard to get anything done. you see that in theate when the republicans and democrats can't figure out what to put first, the small business loans or public loans. if we had a trusting institution we would say we'll do one or the other and not fight about it but we lack the trust. >> woodruff: one more word sabout the inpector general decision. >> judy, obviously, it's part of

this vendetta. this is a president who feels totally aggrieved and liberated ent. the post-impeac it doesn't dom as a surprise, probably, to those who were in favor of the impeachment, that this is what h is ding. i mean, he's going after such trusted and respected professionals and accusing them of petty partisanship, whh is total bogus charge and unfair, and not only liabling their reputations, but, in many cas, ending their careers. >> i want to ask you both about rnie sanders. we talked about that at the beginning, and his ideas, we heard him say, david, he's going to be supporting joe biden, even though he knows tt biden is not going to embrace this, and this is sanders' top priority. how do you assess his decision to suspend? >> well, it was inevitable he had two problems, one the

party is loyal to thre cen where he is and, two, he wasn't good at working with people so he wasn'able to build a coalition. what's inspiring about sanders is here's a guyu who's' foght for a cause five or six decades and he's never budged. he's been in the wilderness for cades and his moment has arrived. he's given a new generation a voice. it's an impressive accomplishment to stick to it, and i imagine he's in it for the long game, whether president or nos some of hi ideas will come to fruition in the new. generati >> woodruff: how much influence do you think he'sv going to he on the biden campaign? >> i think he's already having influence. former vice president, former senar biden moving on college and $15g minimum we, i think

bernie sanders dominated the dialogue of the last five years e democratic party, and it was his single achievement in bringing crowds people, raising money from more peop a thy candidate i believe in the history of the democratic party, individual contributors. just absolutely remarkable. and he set the terms of the debate. i dor agee that the -- two things, fataflaw, one in his control and the other outside. his campaign was never e of welcoming people who differed with him in the past. there was almost a litmus test, if you were wrong on nafta or iraq, you were somehow considered unacceptable.an byy of bernie's most ardent supporters, certainly. the second thing is, once the virus d once our pandemic hit, he was frozen in ice. i mean, all the thngs that a candidate could do to have shwn movement and support, whether

rallies or speeches or hand-to-hand campaigning, was gone, and i think he accepted iat. i acceptat his word. the toughest thing in a candidate, judy, is not running and losing,mi it's ing that it's over, and i think joe biden is showing great sensitivity by giving him both praise and time to heal. >> woodruff: well, we appreciate both of you tonight. mark shioelds, david s, thank you, and please stay safe, both of you. >> woodruff: many of us are spending more time in our kitchens these days under felter in place rules, forcing us to maer grocery runs and get creative with what's in our pantries. for advice on cooking in the times of covid-19, william knows how to make the best of

the ingrients on hand. it's part of our ongoing coverage of arts and culture, canvas. >> so this is a caramel sauce. >> brangham: ina garten is one of the mosbeloved cooks in erica. her "barefoot contessa" books are instant bestsellers, known for their accessible and easy recipes. and she's got a legion of tv on the food network a longtime hit. i first met gartenhree years ago at her home in east hampton. but now in these more difficult times, i wanted to chek with the barefoot contessa. news hour., welcome back to the >> thank you, william, so happy to be here with you. >> brangham: so nice to see you, 6too. first off, just tell us how you're doing. think.k and forth, i i try and keep as normal life as i can. i'm really lucky that i work at home.i' really lucky that i live with somebody who i want to live with, which is wonderful. but every once in a while, it

creeps in and you think, oh, my goodness, th is overwhelming. what's happening outside and how long is this go go one and for? and then you just shut it down. and i do as much as i can to try and keep my life as normal as possible >> brangham: do you follow the news? are you trying to limit your sintake of news about wha going on? >> i limit it to the pbs newshour actually.'r >> brangham: yjust saying that. >> no, i'm not. i just can't stand to do it all day. but when you know, for one hour, i can dot. >> brangham: some ople have been noticing recently how your instagram page, which is obviously one of the principal ways you're communicating with yoed legion of fans, has cha in some ways. it's become more personal. it feels like it's even more of a direct connection to you. has thateen intentional on your part? >> it actually happened organically in the beginning. i thought, how can i connect with people and give them some tools to make themselves feel better?

and so i thought mbe i'll make something for my pantry. and it started becoming like this town hall where i could people could ask me the question and i could answer them. and i actually felt veryd connec people and what problems they had that maybe i could help solve. but the other thing that happened was it gave me purpose and order. like every morning i would wake up and think, i'm going to finde out thing that people are having a hard time with. and i'm going to make it with >> brangham: there's certainly a yearning for people now.s everyoneoped up at home. we asked for questions from viewers about things, and that was something th came up over and over again-- what is in your pantry that's a must-have that you think that thais crucial for meals anytime? >> well, i think a lot of things like dried beans ail rice and leand things that legumes that last for a long time. i al have things in my freezer, which i usually don't use as my freezer ve all. but i aking a big pot of chicken stock. makes me feel good, makes thod house smell it feels familiar. and then i store it in the c

freezer so make soups and stews. >> brangham: so many people wrote insking about this issue of substitutions because we're just not going to the grocery so give us-- give udience some freedom about substitutions. if you don't have x, what can you do?if ou don't have y, what can you do? >> i say, of course you can make substitute. you don't have shallots, use onions, if you don't have garlic, us dginger. if y and all of a sudden i'm finding thing. doing exactly the same and it's going to inform every other book that i write, because i made a frittata the other day, it was a potato basil frittata. i had no basil, so i used scallions. and you know what? t it w best frittata i'd ever made. something like weeknight bologenese, which is pasta with a tomato sauce. you want.an really putnything and if you don't have ground beef, you can grab turkey or if somebody is vegetarian, you can use diced mushrooms are absolutely delicious. i hink i'm always big on if everybody around the table has different appetites.ne i findhing that everybody can eat.

i want everything that the diners to feel like a party, beca're really kind of craving that, aren't we, where we want to feel like we're having a good time. and i ink if you have people around you or even if you don't if you're on your own and do a zoom, you knowlike party on zoom, you feel like you're still connected to people. that's the one thing that i rely crave.on and i'm i just know how i'm going to get through months and months of not having it -- is my friends. so i do in the beginning, i started on facetime and zoom. and what i found is i wanted t take my telephone and just curl up on my sofa with a blanket and talk to a friend in an old fashioned way, the way we used to talk on the phone. d that i find satisfying baking is really satisfying. i find cooking really stressful, but i find it totally engaging. and i forget that there's something bigger going on outside. are you surprised that i find cooking stressful? >> brangham: uh, yeah. m sorry. did you get that viewers? ina garten finds cooking stressful??

>> i find it really totally engaging and i'm highly alert when i'm cooking. and that's kind of a good place to be, right? it keeps your focus. >> brangham: right, you keep focused one thing. and in some ways, the outside >> for a while. away and then you end up with something delicious to serve on that back end.>> rangham: when all of this is over and we're back to nis being socialnced from each other and people get back to some semblance of normalcy, is there something that you hope people takerom this experience that they inject into our, into their regular lives? we're doing is appreciating the everyday things in life. you know, a delivery of flowers, a kindness by a neighbor. a i think . it's not about success and collecting things. i think it's really about staying close to people that are important to you. and it will be great if we kept that. >> brangham: those are beautiful, obviously important words. ina garten, thank you so much for being here. great to see you again. >> great to see you, william. thanks so much for having me.

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