captioning sponsed by newshour productions, llc i>> woodruff: good evenin judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, another week in a changed world. global deaths surpass 100,000, as americans reel from the duali health and ecocrises, and small business owners strugglevi to hold on as 19 bears down. then, senator bernie sanders on his withdrawal from the democratic presidential primary race and the challenge the nation faces with the epidemic. plus, on good friday we examine holy week during a pandemi cas pope francebrates in a vacant vatican. and it's friday, mark shields and david brooks analyze the latest on the pandemic, and this week when thoughts turn to easter, passover and a role for faith. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.

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after it began. the worlide death toll passed 100,000 today.ig thate included some 18,000 deaths in the united states,ed nearly dourom a week ago. meanwhile, president trump talkednew of restarting the economy, but said he will listen to his health advisers. john yang begins our coverage. >> yang: at the enof the week that officials predicted would be t height of the crisis, d anthony fauci said things ar improving. >> we're starting to see the leveling off and coming down. >> yang: but he cautioned that whenev restrictions are relad, coronavirus cases are likely to increase. >> when we decide at a proper time when we're going to be relaxing some of the restrictions, there's no doubt you're going to see cases. i would be so surprised if you did not see cases. the question is how you respond to them. >> yang: president trump said a new task force would be formed to get the nation back to business as soon and as safely as possible.

>> we're going to go back to we're looking at a date, we're hoping we'll be able to fulfill a certain day but weane not doing ything until we know this country is healthy. >> yang: in hard-hit new york, for the first time since the beginning the outbreak, the state reported a net decline in intensive care unit admissions today, mirroring pattern also seen in another hot spot: california. governor gavin newsom warned it's not time yet for the state to let its guard down. >> let's continue to hold the lii and let's just do t together. give us a few more weeks to see dhere these trend lines go an the end we'll be talking a lot >> yang: in los an mayor eric garcetti's order took effect mandating that shoppers wear masks in places like groc-y stores and pharmacies- an effort to protect essential retail workers. ovnight, frontline workers were honored in cities like new york, dallas and chicago, which lit up their skylines in blue.

in washington, d.c., which is bracing for a likely surge in churches to move easter services online. >> i want to thank all of our faith communities and religious leaders who are heing save online and encouraging memberss of their congregations to celebrate from home. >> yang: from australia to the philippines many faithful turned to online good friday services, including the mass pancis' said in a mostly empty st. peter's basilica. parishioners took things off- line. gathering at a drive-in movie theater, for a ceremony that, en with worshippers in their vehicles, brought the feeling of togetherness they had been yearning for. >> ( translated ): in the

current times, this is a unique opportunity to be with t werish inste of at home. he itine their cars, and we thinks amazing to have the chance to celebrate together. certainly unforgettable. >> yang: meanwhile, european union finance ministers agreed to a $0 billion package to combat the unprecedented economic fallout of the pandemic. for the pbs newshour, i'm john yang. >> woodruff: this week, thema democratic p effectively came to an end, as senator bernie sanders announced he is suspending his presidential campaign. the senator from vermont joins me now. welcome to the "newshour".r, senaou said, on wednesday, when you made the announcement, you were doing this, in part, because of the pandemic and, as

you said, it would be difficult to cntinue under the circumstances. today, you announced a proposal to arantee healthcare during this period. who is this aimed at? >> well, it's aimed at the tens of millions of workers who are losing their jobs, judy, and, y wh lose your job, you lose your healthcare. so, on top of 87 million people who are uninsured -- undensured before the crisis, you've got tens of millions more who are not going to ha any health insurance, and it's my view that, in the midst of this terrible, terrible crisis, when people have so much to worry about, the least we can do is to say to all of those people, you ow what, you go to the doctor when you're sick, don't worhry about healthcare bills, medicare will fill in all the gaps and cover those people who are uninsured or und today.red >> woodruff: and do you have support for this among agatmoico cl support in the house, and i think you're going to see

growing support in tnate, and i think that the cost is reasonable. it will be about 150 billion over four months, which, given everything that we're dealing with, isot a lot of money. but to say to every amethrican , don't worry about the costs of healthcare, you're not going to have to payf it out o your own pocket, you're not going to have to pay forip preson drugs, i think that will take a huge burden off thed shs of so many of our people, and that is the very least that we should be doing right now. talk about this election, what, oter 15 mont pour-your-heart-out cam pinning and this aft you spent years campaigning in 2016, you had to make this announcement that you didn't want to make. this is not where you wanted this to end but as you look back, what went right and what went wrong? >> well, look, i thiank that wht went right is that, for all

itents and purposes, judy, i think we've won the ideological battle. i think ideas that i fought fo four or five years ago which everybody considered to beem radical and exare now part of the mainstream discussion and, in fact, many are i implemented across the country -- raising minimum-wage to $15 an hour, making public housing and university tuitionfr , forgiving student get, guaranteeing healthcare. climate change, immigration reform, criminal justice reform, many ideas we brought foth which were originally rejected are now moving forward, and i think that is the best thing we have accomplished. furthermore, we have won the generational struggle. we did very poorly -- and i don't know why, to tell you the truth -- with older peopl but have done phenomenally well with older people and, by that,e n people 45, 50 or younger,

future of america.hat is the so the ideas that we have fougho are gaining momentum among younger people and will be the policies that guide america in the future. >> woodruff: senator, i was numbers show you didn't do ase well with young people as you had 2n016. but what i want to ask you about is you are supporting -- at least you acknowledge joe biden will be the nominee, and, yet, you're going to co against him in the primaries to come. what is the value of tha >> no, we're not competing against -- we don't -- there's no active campaigning, there's nothing to copete abut. joe biden will, everything being equal, be the nominee. but i think my name will be on the ballot, that's the way is, in all of the remaining states that hold primaries t we would liget as many delegates as we can so that have a stronger position at the democratic convention to hlp us

shape the new platform of the democratic party and the other which you say you want to shape appears from they last think it conventions, it's what the nominee wants that ultimately matters. right now, joe biden has moved in your direction.ab he's talket lowering the age for medicare eligibility to0 he's talked about making free college tuition more available. but, at the same time, he is -- all.not endorsed medicare for sherrod brown, liberal democrat, was on the show two nights ago and said he doesn't think joe biden is going to doat. is that sufficient for you? >> well, look, judy, what i said t the very fiy i began my campaign, i said, if i lose, i b withere to support the democratic winner, the person who wins the nomination because i think that donald trump is the

most dangerousdent in the modern history of this country, around the winner defeatally trump, and that's certainly what i will do. but i hope, in the coming weeksn months, i will be working and my staff will beorking with joe biden and his team in making th j point that, e is going to do wel l againump and is going to defeat trump, then he isoing to have to reach out effectively to a whole lot of people where he has nt had the kind of support that he needs, and that's lower-income people, that is younger people,s and oing to have to give those people the understanding that he hears them and he's moving to respond to their concerns, and th wat deaith climate change, it deals with making pubc colleges and universities tuition-free. in my view it ,deals wi you're right, he is not going to support medicare for all a,nd i think there is a significant

path forward for him to make sure that when so many people are losing their private insurance that the federal government will be there for them to cover their healthcare needs. >> woodruff: you have said that you mpaigned enthusiastically for hillary clinton four years ago. will you do exactly the sae for joe biden? will you be more enthusiastic? beuse as you know many democrats look back and say they wished you had done more. >> well, many decrats oppose men the democratic establishment from day one. all i can tell you is in2016 i worked as hard as i could to see trump was defeated and clinton was elected. >> woodruff: and will this year be different? >> this year, i will work as hard as i can to make sure dona trump is no reelected and joe biden becomes president. but i hope in the interval here, what we have got to dos -- you know, and i think joe biden is -- not only is he a decent guy, he is a good politician and he understands that for him to

win, to get the voes that he needs, he's going to have to listen to and respond to theh needs of ale lot of people who have not been overly enusiastic about hisampaign up to now. >> woodruff: but you are saying you will beus enstically supporting him, a key decision that he's going to have to make, of course, is for vi h president. s said he will choose a woman. let me ask you how your supporters would view it if he chose elizabeth warren? >> well, i think i can't speo for almy suporters. all i can say is that i think the more progressive theia vice presidecandidate that he nominated, the better it would be rin tems of the kind of response that our suppoprer woulide him. >> woodruff: so if it were amy klobuchar? >> i can't speculate on that. you know, joe ivs going to hae to make that decisionlf him

i have not been involved in that discussionwe'll see whahe does. >> woodruff: repub cans this we wisconsin took steps to take mres to prevent it making easier r people tovo , either to delay the election or make mail inn that is opposed by republicans at the national level. how concerned are you in nvo about accessoting for americans across the board? >> judy, il will tu i don't know i have ever within a political context seen anyin republicans in the legislature in this country in their supreme court played in terms of this primary. what they essentially sad to ople is you're going to have to put your life on theine in order to cast a ballot, and that is just unbelievably

disgraceful, and that is not what we can allow to happen in future elections. an it is a very, very high priority for mei think for many other democrats, as we go forward on the new piece of legislation -- and i've got a lot of ideas on that one -- but certainly onof the highest priorities must be to make sure country is to vote throughs a paper ballot in november.re and thblicans, i must say, ar -- theypretty cle understand that if there is a large voter turnout they are not going to dl so wel and they're fighting us. but i hope their spect for our constitution for demcyocill prevail and they understand people should not have to die or get sickan order to cast ballot. i should also tell you that ins te the new legislation, we're working very hard not only to make sure all people have healthcare but people who continue to get their paychecks. i think that is the easiest,

most efficient way to get us out of this economic disaster that we're in right now, just making sure that every american continues to receive his or her paycheck will go a long way to lowing americans to have a decent standard of living as sis. as we're in this cri >> final question and quickly, senator, who leads the progressive mement that bernie sanders started next? who are the next leaders of your movement? >> you're asking me to splai speculate. i'm not much into speculation. but what i will say is, right now, literally, as we, spe have been on the phone with progressives all across this countrfiguring out the best way that we can keep our kind of unprecedented grassroots movement strong and growing. so we are a stong movement and history will determine what happens in the future, but right now, we are working hard to build that movement. >> woodruff: senator bernie sanders joning us tonight from vermont. senator, thank you very much.

>> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, memb the opec oil cartel, along with russia and mexico, agreedo cut global production by up to 10 million that amounts to a tenth of the world oil supply, in an effort to boost oil prices an stabilize global oil markets. the price of crude o has fallen more than 50% since the u.s. attorney general william barr says he believes the russia investation of president trump and his campaign was a trasty. he gave that assessment during an interviewhat aired on fox news last night. and, he said the f.b.i. never heould have begun the investigation inirst place. >> without any basis, they started this investigation of y s campaign and even more

concerning actua what happened after the campaign, the whole pattern of events while he was president so ie to sabotage esidency. >> woodruff: br gave no details, but he already ordered a review of how the russia probe investigation bega a justice department inspector general has determined the f.b.i. was justified in launching the probe. as the coronavirus pandemic gains momentum in africa, ebolai resurfaced todcongo. health officials reported a man died after being infected. it was the first new case there in more than in seven weeks. and, it came just days before outbreak had ended.are the it began in august 2018, and has killed more than 2,200 people. and, in east africa, vastsswarms of locre devastating crops and threatening millions of the first wave, weo, was the worst in 70 years.

now, a second wave 20 times bigger is sweeping across kenya and other countries.bi ions of insects are filling fields and covering trees, threatening rural communities. officials say restrictions related to the covid-19 ndemic have delayed critical aerial toraying. stilome on the newshour: feeling the pain-- small businesses struggle to g government support before their business collapses.k holy wid a pandemic-- pope francis celebrates in a vacantv. mark shields and david brooks analyze another week under social distance. and a recipe for coping with cookbook author ina garten.

>> woodruff: the economic emergency that's tied directly to the pandemic is espy brutal for small businesses around the country.an incases, some owners are beginning to face questions this spring about whether theiran businessurvive. amna nawaz has more on the store of troubles pere facing. >> nawaz: a sudden and complete drop in business has lt many businesses strugglinout sales or income. help. as part of a two trillion dollar aid package signed into law by the president, nearly $350 billion will be used to ensure banks provide loans and loan forgeness for small businesses. but small business owners say they are having major trouble getting their loan applications moving through banks and t small business administration, or s.b.a., which coordinates deralibution of those funds. here's what a few small business owners shared with us. >> my name is justin moore. i'm the general manager of uncle bobbie's coffee and books in germantown, philadelphia.

like most retail spaces it's been a bit of nightmare since the middle of last month. i guess the biggest pain point for me since we closed our doors has been worrying about everybody's wellbeing, not just from a health standpoint but financially as well. and we have these recurring expenses, these bills including rent and insurance that we have no way of being able to pay without some assistance by the s.b.a.me >> my greg hunicutt and our company is hunnicutt houston, texas.d design in we bank with wells fargo. all they communicated to me after i registered was we'rere still noy to actually do the application process. and please don't contact us again! >> my name is travis powell and i own the best western plus frontier motel in lone pine, california. it's a small town of 2,000 people and both of our banks,it r one of which is affiliated with the s.b.a. in any way. i sat wn and sent out either 32 applications and/or contact

forms filled out online. i've heard back from about half of those and they all state the same thing that at this time we're only servicing people with existing loans or existing necounts. >> my name's chroslin and i have owned by salon since 2002. i called our, my husband and my bank. and i was told that there were over 400 applications and at this point i would be on a waitlist. i could get by clely this month and maybe next month. but i did tell my husbanthat if we're out through may and into june, i might have to start looking for some sort of job. >> i am jennifer myers pulidore, owner of myers of keswick, a british specialty fore in greenwich village, manhattan, new york. and i have tried, i guess you

can say, since fridail 3rd to apply for the s.b.a. loan. basically, the biggest challenge has been trying to actually get throd click submit so that i know that my application has gone through. rapidly. running out of money i'm in the process of using the care bt s w orto mfrroomy omfr to pay my employees for about at more. they're at part time right now being paid. >> we have four full time employees. we paid. i paid them for two weeks. that was two weeks ago we're in week three now. i have not paid them this week. >> i understand that things are going to be slow because we're dealin circumstances, but at this point kmost a month after we've closed i need sod of timetable at this point. >> you know, that you're kind of in a race to fill this out and get this applicati submitted and you think you're moving along and then boom, youet

bumped out. so you wonder how many people actually got to click submit before you. and it's very daunting. i've lost a bit of sleep over it. >> nawaz: that loan program they mentioned is known as the paycheck protection program, or p.p.p. businesses with fewer than 500 workers can quality. they can use that money to pay for up to two months of payroll, leases and utilities. and those los, in some cases, can be forgiven. we're going to talk through the details of that program and what businesses are facing right now with lisa desjardins, who joins me now. lisa, you can hear in their voices the anxiety, the concern, the worry, how representative are some of those stories with what's happing across the board right now? >> amna, i and our team have been talking to a lot of small businesses and thosare completely representative of what's happening. there's a massive bottleneck in trying to get this money, ability to get it out.not the

the specific issues of what's happening, right at the front of it, banks are limiting these loans. that is, in paraut, bec some large corporate banks feel they're under constraints and smaller banks worry about the balance sheet that they can't handle as much as volume as the demand entails. part of this is banks are not guidance from the government as to exactly who qualifies for these loans, the nity gritty details theyeed they say they're not getting.s so all of ths led to long wait, sometimes a wait just to get your application i, much less to knowf your application has been approved. >> lisa, navigating a federal process even without a global ssndemic going on can be a frustrating pro how much of that bottleneck is due to the fact that this is u juprecedented? this kind of program at this kind of sca t? >> yeat's the right question. absolutely, that is part of the problem. no one country -- no country, certainly not the u.s. has ever

before.omething like this i want to convey what this program looks like, a sense of scope of all of this. so the total proam, as you reported, is about $349 billion in funding not been approved so far.ju in the past two weeks that it's been in existence, i'm told as of today some $151 billion has been approved for small businesses. all of last year the s.b.a. loanedut ony $28 billion. so in the course of the last two weeks, they've loan five times what they did all of last year. so this is unprecedented and it's fair toto say they're working as hard as they can. but, amna, there are others wh say the s.b.a. and congress themselves should have thought about this a month ago, six weeks ago when they knew an economic tsunami was coming. >> lisa, here even in thest ies of the folks and the

experiences, there is variation in their stories. you think about who had access to capital markets and financing, evengain, when pandics aren't going on,u' whether a minority or rural business, is any of the recovery effort gead towards evening out some of these inequities? >> no, noyet, and that's something that's really been discussed. i think that, right now, this is abuntested program, it's not clear where the problems are, that's why we're reporting on it right now. but you could hearn those stories the diversity of owner and salon owner who hadion applied and were just waiting in a very long line to hear from their banks, to travis, a hoel owner in rural america, who really wasn't sure he could find v bank to support him because so many banks hae limited this loan only to current customers, and many banks in rural americar don't s.b.a. loans, they're not part of this process, usually.a

so tt has left rural america in a tougher position than others. >> so, lisa, what about congress? what are they workingn? is there more potential help on the way? >> there is talk. a everyorees in washington more money is needed for this. divide it.ree about how to the president wants 250 billion more just in general for small businesses. democrats tent it to be tar to community banks, especially the rural ones, and for disaster loans and assistance. but i want to givople a sense of how this works or where we're at. so for small businesses, 48% of this nation's workers work for small businesses, and of them told the national federation of independent businesses, a major small business group, 90% said theyci are experi an impact from the coronavirus. that's a huge surge in just the last couple of weeks. moreover, ama, most said they don't think they could survive two months without help.

what's happening is this is a situation where there is an economic as much as a healthcare curve and if there is not help for these businesses just in the next couple of wee could see some businesses that feel they might have to turn to bankruptcy. so the time is very critical for many of these busines ts. >> te is very critical. the help is critically needed, too. us tonight.dins, reporting for thanks, lisa. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: today, on good friday, the italian prime minister announced a further lockdown of his stricken nation until at least may 4th. and in israel, a nationwide stay-at-home order remains in effect. with empty streets in rome and the sacred sites of the old city of jerusalem, special castelfranco reports on a very different holy week.

>> rep vatican this year: no faithful, no tourists, only the police making sure not a soreaks the rules. everyone here must stay indoors to stop the spread of covid-19. authorities are taking no chances, and after weeks of lockdown appears torking:eek the number of newly infected is declining. the streets of the eternal city lie empty, nearly devoid of life. famous landmarks like the colosseum and e trevi fountain deserted. the vatican too has had a small number infected insiad its walls anted similar distancing measures.ak as the crisis , pope francis delivered lastan extraordinary and stark urbi et orbi message, to rome and the world. >> ( translated ): we have realizede in the same boat, all of us fragile and disoriented, but at the same

time, important and needed, all of us called to row together. >> reporter: palm sunday is the start of holy week and st. peter's square is normally packed with tens of thousands, waving palm fronds and olive branches.r. but not this y inside st. peter's basilica, pope francis and attendants celebrated a lonely mass. >> ( translated ): the tragedy we are experiencing in these days, summons us to take serious the things that are serious, and not be caught up in those thattt less. >> reporter: pope francis decided that all holy week ceremonies this year would be held behind closed doors in saint peter's basilica except for one, the way of the cross. that solemn moment rs jesus's death by crucifixion more than 2000 years ago. the way of the cross candle-lit ocession is traditionally held at rome's ancient colosseum and attended by thousands of faithful.

this year, pope francis prayed in an empty saint peter's square.po the 83-year-ol, alone. in jerusalem, normally packed sreets of the old city lie eerily deserted. here along these ancient stone paths, jesus is said to have walked and suffered the 14 stations of the oss, on the via dolorosa, or painful path, to crucifixion. today in jerusalem, on few friars walked the path, in a procession usually marked by thousands of pilgrims. father francesco patton lamented the loss, but saw meaning inhe >> when i think to those who are in the hospitals and in the houses fighting with the coronavirus, in some way they are walking a very hard and personal via dolorosa.

at the church of the holy who began celebratg passover this week marking rebirth and deliverance from an gent egypt to freedom. in the city, the beating heart of three face only the cats remain. sepulchre, built oe spoty where jesus christ was said to have been crucified and buried, the ancient doors closed for the first time in nearly00 years, since the black plague. in paris today, the city's archbishop, michel aupetit, celebrated mass in the chaed

hulk of notre dame, nearly a year after the cathedral burned. >> ( translated ): today, we are in this half-fallen cathedral to say that life still exists. >> reporter: a crown of thorns, as jesus is said to have worn on the cross, rescued after the fire lay on a makeshift altar. >> ( translated ): it's a magnificent symbol that tells us that you will accompany us inig the of our suffering. >> reporter: easter sunday at the vatican normally marks the holiest day in the christian world over celebrate the the this year, it will be different in saint peter's square, as pope francis delivers his message of hope and renewal to a world in sore need of both. for the pbs newshour, i'm sabina castelfran in rome.

>> woodruff: and now it is time for the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. heo to both of you. let's -- here we are, what is it, three weeks, mrk, since the first stay-at-home orde e united states is now, by the count we see, has almost one-third the cases of coronavirus of the entire world total. how is it u.s. doi -- how is the u.s. doing in this fight? n i think the u.s. is adjusting collectively tow reality, a terrible reality. character is destiny, we're seeing character and leadership, we're seeing society's heros change from investment bankers

and buyout artists to all of a suddenapeople stop anplaud hospital workers and nurses and docts an firefighters and emergency people. that is a chnge. it's a recognition of the portance of what people -- it's a recognition of what grocery storekeor do to keep our country going, the sacrifices that so many peple are making are truly breathtaking and admirable and i think that,o me has been the signal characteristic. >> woodruff: a, david, how would you say the country is doing both at the federal lev and at the state level? you don't get a sense of great competence and expertise at the federal level. you do get a little more at the state lev. the ath surmounting, the economy is crashing down around us. i am focused on mental health. i asked 6,000 of m"new york times" readers to we are to me about how their mental heah is

doing. people are hurting. three groups in particular. a young peope feeling their hopes and dreams are dashed and there's a sense of hopelessness, not eating, not sleeping, cryine onsofa. senior citizens also badly hit, especially widows and widowers, that sense of crushing isolation, and those with mental inglth problems or those who re these relapses. so thenore'sther mental health curve. yet i think america is still hanging toether. faith in our institutions is pretty good. there's nobody rioting in the nstreets or lootingody saying anything but what we have to do which is just hunker down. >> woodruff: mark, do you see the scaffolding in place, the infrastructure, whatever you stin phople it, tup >> no, judy, i think,

i mean, if anything has laid bare the income and economic inequality and disparity in this country, beginning with healthcare, 10 million people, i don't know how many million have lost tlteir heaare in the past three weeks, but what bernie sanders talked about ise laid bfore us right now. i will say, to david's point about confidence growing, it isr but it'swing in an interesting way in governors and mayors, in local government, less so in thee fderal government, less so in the president. confidence in the president is not. governors who havlyating that television shows have done very well. mike dewine ino is at 80% approval. chris so new new,

new hampshire -- s, favorab t. donamp is not. why? his daily doses, his substitute for his rallies are full of self-pity, full of invective, ll of complaintss he's not getting the appreciate he should get. contrast that with the governorh are providing empathy, direction, information, encouragement and facts, and i really think there's a distinct difference and people see it.dr >> woof: and, david, what's your assessment of the president? he is holding highs daily briefings which sometimes runal two, two and ahours, and now he is talking about announcing next week what he'ins caa get back to opening up commission, opening the count up council, if you will. is this what the country needs to hear at thios pint?

>> i think it is. we need to know what phase two is. we know we're going to hunker know what the world will looko like when we come out of. this the plans a circulating, a lot of private plans. they tend to focus on massi amounts of testing, way more than we have now, and tracing where you have an app on your phone and somebody, the government, i don't know who, bill gates, would track wherever you go, who you came inth contact nd ifyou contacted somebody wi the vis they would let you know and u self-isolate. that kind of pulling out of this is incredibly daunting but it's something we're going to have to figure out as we srgowly eme from this. so i'm gladding the president is heading up this committee.s, the problem is i have been told, is that everybody on that committee has to be 100% loyal, so if you said anything nasty about donald trump, you don't qualify for the committee, and that basically guarantees a very low level of confidence in that committee.

style, yokore know, loyalty tests areoing to be crushing to the competencef any effort going forward. >> woodruff: interesting, because when the president was asked about it today, he said he wanot paying attention, mark, to anyone's political identicati, whether they belong to the republican or the democratic party. >> and judy, at which point his nose starts to grow. this is all the president has done since he was acquitted from the impeachment is to settle scores, to go after career professionals, dedicated professional public servants who have gien honest testimony and, because they did so, they're fired, they're susnded, they're ostracized, they're we have a loyalty administration at this point, and that's one ason, judy, why the next deal with congress becomes almost impossible. steve mnuchin, press secretary, work well with nancy pelosi

the democratic speaker, but he n't deliver donald trump. his word doesn't mean anything. steve mnuchin says donald trump, as soon as the ink was even dry in the last legislation, he refused to honor the legislation and the oblofigatio oversight that the congress s when you' spending trillions of dollars. soi mean, no, i really think we're in a grave sitnuation terms of leadership. >> woodruff: one other thing i the president, david, and thatg is his firing over the past week of two inspectors general,er and one over the intelligence commity, the other on at the pentagon overseeing how this money is being spent, toight the pandemic. what if we learned from that? >> well, it's more north korlon lty tests. it's a polttitical ven you have to be totally loyal. in world war ii therthe

truman committee led by harry triewmen which did everything on a partisan census to crack profiteering, phenomenallyar successful and people in their own party were willing to look to the administration if they could save lives and fight war more effectivnd we won't be getting that. we're facing falling challenges, one is trust. there has tbe oversight and we have to have faith in each other. with a lack of trust, it's hard to get anything done. you see that in theate when the republicans and democrats can't figure out what to put first, the small business loans or public loans. if we had a trusting institution we would say we'll do one or the other and not fighabout it but we lack the trust. >> woodruff: one more word sabout the inpector general decision. >> judy, obviously, it's part of this vendetta.

this is president who feels totally aggrieved and liberated from the post-peachment. it doesn't dom as a surprise, probably, to those who were in favor of the impeachment, that this is what h is ding. i mean, he's going after such trusted and respected professionals and accusing them of petty partisanship, whh is total bogus charge and unfair, and not only liabling their reputations, but, in many cases, ending their careers.to >> i wansk you both about atrnie sanders. we talked about t the beginning, and his ideas, we heard him say, david, he's going to be supporting joe biden, even though he knows tt biden is not going to embrace this, and this is sanders' top priority. how do you assess his decision to suspend? >> well, it was inevitable he had two problems, one the party is loyal to the center

where he is ando he wasn't good at working with people so he wasn't able to build a coalition. what's inspiring about sanders is here's a guyu who's' foght for a cause five or six decades and he's never budged. he's been in the wilderness for decades and his moment has arrived. he's given a new generation a voice. it's an impressive accomplishment to stick to it, and i imagine he's in it for the long game, whether president or nos some of hi ideas will come to fruition in the new. generati >> woodruff: how much influence do you think he'sv going to he on the biden campaign? >> i think he's already having iniuence. formere president, former senator biden moving on college and $15g minimum we, i think bernie sanders dominated the dialogue of the last five years

e democratic party, and it was his single achievement in bringing crowds people, raising money from more people than any candidate i believe in the history o democratic party, individual contributors. e.just absolutely remarka and he set the terms of the debate. i dor agee that the -- two things, fatal flaw, one in his control and the otherutside. his campaign was never e of welcoming people who differed with him in the past. there was almost a litmus tet, if you were wrongon nafta or ehiraq, you were som considered unacceptable. by many of bernie's most ardent supporters, certainly. the second thing is, once the virus d once our pandemic hit, he was frozen in ice. i mean, all the thngs that a candidate could do to have shwn movement and support, whether rallies or speeches or

hand-to-hand campaigning, was gone, and i think he accepted that. the toughest thing in ad. candidate, judy, is not running and losing,mi it's ing that it's over, and i think joe biden is showing great sensitivity by giving him both praise and time to heal. >> woodruff: well, we appreciate both of you tonight. mark shields, david brooks, both of you.nd please stayafe, >> woodruff: many of us are spending more time in our kitchens these days under felter in place rules, forcing us to maer grocery ru and get creative with what's in our pantries. for advice on cooking in the times of covid-19, william brangham knows how to make the best of the ingredients on hand.

it's part of our ongoing coverage of arts and culture, canvas. >> so this is a camel sauce. >> brangham: ina garten is one of the most beloved cooks in america. her "barefoot contea" books are instant bestsellers, known for their accessible and easy recipes. and she's got a legion of tv on the food network a longtime hit. i first met garten three years ago at her home in east hampton. but now in these more difficult times, i wanted to check back with the barefoot contessa. ina garten, welcome back to the news hour. >> thank you, william, so happy to be here with you. >> brangham: so nice to see you, 6too. first off, just tell us how you're doing. t goes back and forth, i think. i try and keep as normal life as i can. i'm really lucky that i work at home. m really lucky that i live with somebody who i want to live with, which is wonderful. but every once in a while, itcr ps in and you think, oh, my goodness, this is overwhelming.

what's happening outside and what's happeo people and how long is this going to go on for? anthen you just shut it down. and i do as much as i can to try and keep my life as normal as. possib >> brangham: do you follow the news? are you trying to limit your intake of news about w going on? >> i limit it to the pbs newshour actuallou >> brangham:e just saying that. >> no, i'm not. i just can't stand to do it all day. but when you know, for one hour, i can do it. >> brangham: some people have been noticing recently how your instagram page, which is obviously one of the principal ways you're communicating with ngur legion of fans, has c in some ways. it's become more personal. it feels like it's even more of a direct connection to you. has th been intentional on your part? >> it actually happened orgacally in the beginning. i thought, how can i connect with people and give them some tools to make themselves feel better?

and so i thoughtaybe i'll make something for my pantry. and it started becoming like this town hall where i could people could ask me the question and i could answer them. and i actually felt veryte connto people and what problems they had that maybe i could help solve. but the other thing that happened was it gavee purpose like every morning i would wake up and think, i'm going to find out something that people are having a hard time with. and i'm going to make it with >> brangham: there's certainly a yearning for people now. i everyocooped up at home. we asked for questions from viewers about things, and that was something at came up over and over again-- what is in your pantry that's a must-have that you think that tt is crucial for meals anytime? >> well, i think a lot of things like dried beans and rice and lentils and things that legumes that last for a long te. i also have things in my freezer, which i ually don't use as my freezeloat all. but making a big pot of chicken stock. makes me feel good, makes goe house smel. it feels familiar. and then i store it in the i freezer an make soups and

stews. >> brangham: so many people wrote asking about this issue of substitutions because we're just not going to the grocery store every day. so give us-- give your audience some freedom about substitutions. if you don't have x, what can you do? if you don't have y, what can you do? substitute.f course you can make you don't have shallots, use onions, if you don't have garlic, oue ginger. if and all of a sudden i'm finding myself doing exactly the same thing. and it's going to inform every other book that i write, because i made a frittata the other day, it was a potato basil frittata. i had no basil, so i used scallions. and you know what? t it w best frittata i'd ever made. something like weeknight bologenese, which is pasta with a tomato sauce. thand you can really put ag you want. and if you don't have ground beef, you can grab turkey or if somebody is vegetarian, you can use diced mushrooms are absolutely delicious. so i think i'm always big on if everybody around the table has different appetites. i find one thing that everybody can eat.

i want everything that the diners to feel like a party, because we're really kind of craving that, aren't we, where we want to feel like we're having a good time. and i think if you have people around you or even if you don't ifou're on your own and do zoom, you know, like party on zoom, yofeel like you're still connected to people. that's the one thing that i really cve. and i'm i just don't know how ntm going to get through monthso an is my friends. so i do in the beginning, f started etime and zoom. and what i found is i wanted to take my telephe and just curl on myofa with a blanket and ie ttandfro an i faldshioneway, the way we used to talk on the phone. and that i find satisfying. baking is really satisfying. i find cooking really stressful, but i fi it totally engaging. and i forget that there's something bigger going onou ide. are you surprised that i find cooking stressful? >> brangham: uh, yeah. i'm sorry. did you get that viers? ina garten finds cooking stressful?? >> i find it really totally

engaging and i'm highly alert when i'm cooking. and that's kind of a good place to be, right? it keeps your focus. >> brangham: right, you keep cused on one thing. and in some ways, the outside world dissolves away >> for a while. and then you end up with something delicious to serve on that back end. >> brangham: when all of this is over and we're back to not being social distanced from each other and people get back to some semblance of normalcy, is there something that you hope people take from this experience that they inject into our, into their regular lives? >> i think the one that we're doing is appreciating the everyday things in life. eru know, a delivery of fl a kindss by a neighbor. i think we are. it's not about success and collecting things. i think it's really about important to you.peo and it will be great if we kept that. m:ng>>s. hainsea garten, thank you so muh for being here. great to see you again. thanks so much for havg me.

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tonight on kqed newsroom. restaurants struggling to hang s during the coronavi crisis, now face a new obstacle to getting financial relief . plus, we will talk with religious leaders about the challenges and blessings of co leading theiunities through this unprecedented time. good evening. and welcome to kqed newsroom. i am priya david clements. we begin tonight with a look at the devastating impact the coronavirus has had onsismall sses such as restaurants here in the bay area francisco board of supervisors passed a resolution saying that covid-19