captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org >> can washington heal, the nation's racial wounds? reconciliation. ave >> this country has not reconciled its differences with us. >> the uperror over the killing of george floyd andew sparks debate in washington over the nation's confederate past. >> and our bill and the white house. robert: just months before the election, president trump says it is all about law and order. president trump: we have to take the police and they will do a great job. robert: there are new tensions

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the ption for public broadcasting from vwers like you. thank you. once ain, from washington, moderator, robertos. robert: and and across the nation. t it's down the steet at the capitol, where the date is will this powerful movement translate into in new federal policy. democrats incrudes a federal ban on choke clep holdsnd pulls back from prosecution. and senator scott are talki about a new national data base. president trump is not signing off on any proposal. in his decision to hold a rally

in tulsa, oklahoma and riled his critics and called it insid yr move and theulsa is where one of the worst massacres took place. the president is rejeggetting a push to renime name military bases and yet on friday,um mr. announced he has been beneficial. >> i have done for more of the black community and let's take a pass on abraham lcoln. it is questioble. >> we are free, president. >> i'm go to go take a pass. robert: four first-rate report

go. wesley lowery, andrea mitchell and ashley h parker, whise reporter for the "washington post" and jak sherman, senior writer for politico. you have one a a applies. u wrote, what if the activists are write and dismantriminal justice, what might that look like. west w emp s, what arehe black lives movement seeking? wesley: it is interesting. here we are ain and seeing

this every few months for the last few years. another taste that shocks the country unless there is gray area inerms of the public arena. and one of the reasons we have seen in broad response is because a lot of people are tired of this an tired of dealing this again. the activists. the leaders andha organizer always argued there are wig systemic problems and not body b cameras the whole system is broken. one of the reasons we are seeing such and the america cap public is pleesk it. and the electorate says perhaps

this isn't bad nents b there is something more structural and we are seeing a significant shift for the american people on these issues and more in hine wherehe activists are. robert: when weear the phrase defund the pice, what is that phrase callingor? >> and grassrootsnd folks sounds crazy to mp else andow to explain it. my understanding from my understaing of defunding the police means looking at your police budget and taxpayer money is going to police. andhey are asked to solve most

of theirem pro we have a health care system i th underfunded and we call the police on a homeless person. and we call the police i who acting erratic. to call the police and instead the type ofervices. and instead of increasing the police budget, instead increasi the mental health budget. that is the argument. robert: andrea: drea, you spoke with the form police chief of camden, new jersey and went to a >> we are a nation that that has

criminalized poverty. shall going to invest in communit strength as oppose todd try to treat with wit jails and more expensive and worsens the problems that we claim we are trying to solve. robert: when you t talk se leaders are you seeing a change or like the gun control debate? andrea: right now, there is not a lot of bipartisan action, senatore scott, ly african-american senator andle ing the charge on the senate de but they are talking about establishing a data best and not banning chokeholds and the things that the house democrats

have proposed and that legislation is going to pass and we heard today from a mum of the house democrats, they have the votes. and something bigger and bter from the president, late tonight, he might be in favor of nning chokeholds and unclear what he might support. and what the republicans areg look at. i think something will happen. as w emp s and he is on the ground and we have wauched the protests there is a different tone and widespread. for something to get through that will be signed and not vetoed from the president, the president sees as a very successful cultural war issue

and that's what he is focusing on. and democrats agreehat defunding is a bad slogan for them a want to explain that is spending more on trying t avoid the conflict that is engaged in when the police take on a an sure and who is having a drug issue or mental health issue. robert: i saw you this week talking to mark meadows and talking to lawmakers, how does this playout?re is t a consensus on banning chokeholds? what are you hearing behind the scenes? >> i agree with everybody has said. the issue has moved so much

faster than we have seen a political issue. a m kevart wri who is very clos to the president of the unions united states and mark meadows he said he is banng chokeholds. and rand paul who is his own island, but this is an interestingo thing note he is in favor of no-knock warrants. put those two things together and republicans at this point e not dumping all over the democrats' bill. i asked kevin mccarthy and i asked him wt are you opposed? ar he didn't want to talk about

it. that's all noteal. they are trying to give a president who shifts a lot, leeway toake up his own mind and jared kushnere and h does president have any law lot of moving pieces. ed and a in the next four to sixeeks, we will see some action. one interesting questn i have, will democts settle for something a bit more modest. there are reasons to and the house and will come back next week and will be discussion about that. robert: president trump and how he is going toitse his pal capital. why is he going to tsa,

oklahoma and the coversa it has caused and among republicans >> the white house is aware of the controversy andishery now. my reporting is thathen the campaign chose thisweate, they ununtensional and were not aware and once they found out, they decided to move ahead. the president was not concerned about any of the safety implications, those of coronavirus and there is a wamb that they tveo click and sign and if they get the coronavirus and will not hold theredent or campaign or on this date int this momth protests and

what that might meet and clashing with trump supporters an decided to forge ahead. robert: can you jump ahead with this signifance? they are aware of the significance. what is the significance? wesley:hat is a pretty remarkable true thing and reporting from ashley. the president of the united states may not b aware when you have the emancipation and this isomething that is largely regarded as unofficial, official blackid h. time of type of thing that former preigdent have put a statement on. it is veryng interes

going back in time, i was thinking about jake's excellent reporting fromll "the one that is interesting sted, here, even the democratso bill, it is very similar to some of the things they proposed after gun control and passing this in law tomorrow is unlike lickly to see these void yose and not to say i'm not saying they should do thing in the bill, butun backg checks wouldn't stop thi the choke hol but one of those cases and everyone wants to do something and also, you know. robert: that's an importan thing. andr, whatlse is needed to

address systemic racism? howve do you p racism from being a trait in police? andrea: the answers that are proposed include recrument and training and penalties and enforcement where the police chiefs and the leadership has to be wilng to punish people and not indemnify them and one proposal is t use the economic prop isur ice company insure these so if it is notng b paid, few payments being made of paymen to victims, they are coming out of insurance companies and people, elect the

officials. you areot going to eliminate but can change training and recruitment and the kind of people who care about not reaching a.m. weapon or a knee ory some other of murdering a victim in 8:46. that's the horror of what happened here. robert: as all of this is happening onit c hill and actual debate begins to debate, there are other dynamics.le s dig deeper and growing tensions between the president anderm mark mill yes- milley considered resigning and days ahead of the president's

commence hit address and germap ogized. photograph of me, that sparked a national debate about the rol of the military. i should not have been there. my presence created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. it was a mistake that i learned from and i sinrorely w can learn from it. robert: sorry for that audio difficulty. will it stepped to the republican party? i documente it in the "washington post," conversations in the highest ranks of the party and septemberance phase and they see no advantage of breaking with the president now.

what does your reporting tell you how the president is responding to general milley? >> to look at it more broadly. there is constnation with the military bricking with the president. secretary esper who said something and he said he didn't know where he was walking and thought he was checking a port -a-potey. he didn't realize he would beng ma cam yeoh. there is a lot of consternation. you have to go back to that monday night in lafayte square and the president was called week and he wanted to take control of the streets and

created a moment but not as hee inte and people rarelyreak with this administration. and even from west wing privately a on ba groubds but to have the military breaking from him was one thing he was unprepared. some back hash from the religious and it was and those image makes him soug and strong, that split scre of th peaceful protest getting ter gas,hat just served again hardened public opposition and move support away from hisaw and order push and

to thees protest tors and he is reeling it from the aftermath. rot i reserve the balance of my time. where do republicans go from here? you have been talking to them all week. >> and various networks, republicans have decided to pat him on the head, president trump, that . him and say, we deposit see that, and don't know the information and don't know what he does and remarkable to see. every singlereay ts a new one of these blowups, milley or some tweet alleged antifa and a 75-year-old man from and it is

incredible for senate republicans to fight for their control of washington. thank you but we are goingo i the lunch but do it toll avoid that is the driving dynamic. robert: can you offer some thoughts on germ milley' statements. the top military appearing with op.president in a photo >> he stayed up late that night andatched the criticism and he was really mortified by it. and did violate the and espers a west point graduate. milley is a respected joint fall to replace germ dunford.

reputation. great he thought that this was really remarkable statement for him and did show an independence from this president that is remarkable and people did not stand up toe him. ths considerable anger from the president and he did not in an interview, he did not think that photo opportunity in front of the church was as bad as milley had said but did not strike out on twitter. he could not fire a defense secretary after he stepp back from the president and couldn't do anything.

but this is a real moment not just milley and others.er was a long list of others including jim m toys who have not spoke out about this president. there e so many others who spoke out, robbletrobtes i know some final thougs. wesley: one thing i wanted to add to thes polit and the politic reporters.tt tim s and the role he has to play and the role he does play in the republican party and the y he has tried to handle these positions a he is doing a seri of speeches at howard and he has been questionedheer he belongs there. after charlotsville, he

confronted president trump. he is the onl black senator in interesting to see what happens in the role he plays moving forward.be : thank you very much to our reportes. wesley, andrea, ashley and jake and thank you for joining us, we will take you as close to the a ne we can. we'll discuss the voting fiasco in georgia. fi it on our social media. i'm robert costa. good night from washington.

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