captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonit, policing the police-- the president signs an executive order on law enforcement as major questions remain a widespread use of force. then, calls for justice-- officers have yet to be charged in the death of breonna taylor, thmonths after she was shot to dth in her own home. plus, a serious setback-- north korea destroys a symbol of lations with the south, increasing tensions and derailing attempts at engagement. and, first hand experience-- we speak to one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases about contracting covid 19 himself.

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it also creates a database to track police misconduct. surrounded by law enforcement officials, mr. trump said the reforms go hand-in-hd with his call for law and order. >> americans believe we must support men in blue who police our streets and keep us safe. americans also believe we must improve accountability. reducing crime and raising standards are not opposite goals, they are not mutually exclusive. they work together. they all work together. >> woodruff: earlier, the president met with the families of several people killed by police. we'l at his agenda, after the news summary. the came as senate republicans worked on their own package of police reforms. h atring today, members of both parties said the death of george floyd in minneapolis, marked a turning point. >> being a cop is no easy thotg, you make af snap decisions

where your life is threatened and that of the community, but we have to realize taking another humabeing's life while in police custody is something we should be better at in 2020 >> if we are silent we are complicit. if we stand there and demand dominance and wave bibles, were no better than monster if we act and actually do something and get this bill passed, well then we're lawmakers and that will be the legacy of george floyd. >> woodruff: meanwhile, new york city announced today that police must now release all body-camera footage of shootings or other deadly use-of-force, wi0 days. and, seattle's city council voted last night to ban tear gas and pepper spray, among other crowd-control devices. police in albuquerque, new mexico have arrested a man after a shooting during a protest last night. it happened as demonstrators

tried to tear down a spanish conquistador's statue and confronted armed men. the men reportedly were part of an unregulated militia. poli protesters attacked one man, and he opened fire, wounding one of them. u.s. dfrom covid-19 have now passed the number of american tkilled in world war one, at well over 116,500. that news came today as vice preident pence argued, in " wall street journal," that talk of a seconwave of infections is overblown. meanwhile,hina reimposed travel restrictions in parts of beijing, as it faces a new outbreak. the chairman of the federal reserve warned today that an economic recovery from the pandem is uncertain. jerome powell told a senate hearing thatirst, the public has to regain confidence. the meantime, he said, low-income workers are being hit the hardest.

>> the burden of the downturn has not fallen equally on all americans. instead the least able to withstand the downturn have been affected most. if not contained and reversed, the downturn could further widen gaps on economic well-beg that the long expansion made some progress in closing. >> woodruff: powell also repeated his earlier statements that congress will likely have to consider additional steps -- including extended unemployment benefits. despite the fed's fears, stocks shot up on news that retail jumped nearly 18% in may. the dow jones industrial average gained 526 points to close at 90. the nasdaq rose 16ts, and, the s&p 500 added 58. in the himalayas, a border dispute between and china turned deadly overnight, for the first te in decades. new delhi says 20 indian troops were killed in the ladakh region, iron rods and stones.

we'll examine the longstanding border dispute in the program. north korea ically escalated tensions on the korean peninsula today. the north blew up an empty building housing a liaison north of their heavily armed border. repercussions, if anything else happens. >> ( translated ): the south korean government makes it clear that the responsibility for all the resulting situations is entirely on north korea. we sternly warn that if north korea ntinues to take measures that aggravate the situation, we will strongly respond to it. >> woodruff: north korea has also cut communications with seoul recently, and threatened to abandon peace agreements. we'll return to this, later in the program. s.ck in this country, the justice department has ordered executions of federal death ro inmates to resume, in mid-july. they would be the first since

03. attorney general william barr issu directive, after a months-long legal fight. and, pacas and electric pled guilty today to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter in northern california. it stems from a 2018 wildfire that destroyed most of the town of paradise. the fire was ignited by pg&e's eqpment. no executives will be charged. instead, the utility faces a maximum fine of $3.5 million. still to come on the newshour: the president signs anxecutive order on police reform. major questions remain nationwide about law enforcement's widespread use of foe. calls for officers to be charged in the death of breonna taylor grow louder. and much more.

>> woodruff: as we reported an executive order today ongned policing, amid growing calls for police reforms and racial justice. yamiche alcindor joins me now. hellel yamiche. sous, what do we know at this point about what's in this executive order that the president wants to do about the police this this country? >> well, pr executive order on policing is the most sweeping action that he's ten on policing since he was elected and came into office. thxp said, manyts and people who are working on policing efforts in this country say this executive order doesn't really have lot of teeth. it tries to incentivize a lot of police departments into doing things like establis training and policies on use of rather than forcing themo do

something. so some things in the executive order, there is a statemt there that doesn't mention systematic racism, but it does say law enforcement officials misuse their power, and that has led to mistrust, particularly in the african americacommunity. it's also pushing nor a national database the track bad officers who are accused of wrongdoing that maybe go from department to depa as data shows that they do. the other thing that it does is talk about clds. the president made a point of saying today that chokeholds will be banned unless police officers fear for their lives. a lot of people say that doesn't change much because that still means that police officers can f say,red for my life. that's one of the most common things that police officers say wh they kill someone. the other thing to note is that this is an executive order that is focused on tryi change the culture of policing. the president r talked to a lot of advisers, talked to a lot of lawyers and faly members for people who have been killed by the police to come up with

this, but even with this still, democrats are saying thisust isn't going far enough, and house speaker nancpelosi today called it weak, saying that even though it's mentioning all sorts of things that activists want, rt's not gar far enough. that's what i hfrom people as i try to get feedback about the executive order. >> woodruff: so yamiche,ale know the president met today with family members of a killed by police in this been country. what do we know about that? i know you talked to some of those family members. >> that's right, judy. the president spent about an hour meeting with family members of people who had either beey n killedhe police or who had been killed in racially charged what i heard fromlawyer of those families, as well as several families who were in th meeting, the president expressed sympathy. families as they explained their situation. the president said that he wanted to have federal investigions into each one of their investigation, but i talked to a man named dwayne

palmer, whose brother everett palmer died mysteriously in a pennsylvania jail. he said while the president was offering kind words, he said, "we're beyond wortsdz. words. we want action." dwayne told heagney mel like the president was using a lot of platitudes saying, oh, this must have been a greatid, this must have been terrible. he said he wanted to see moresp ecific actions that the president said he wanted to do. the other thing to note is the president signed the executive order in the rose garden. was surrounded by law enfoement officials as they were clapping and really applauding for a job well done. people who weren't in the rose garden were those families of loved ones who were killed. i was told that a lot of those families didn't want to be used as "props." dwayne palmer told me he was very worried about being used as a photo op. he didn't want president trump to claim victory with a of block and brown voices. instead he said, i'm happy to ve him credit for the executive order, but i want him to do more.

>> woodruff: yamiche alcindor following all this oday at the white hothe. yamiche, wk you. >> woodruff: the shooting death of rayshard brooks this weekend has added new fuel to the national conversation and protests arod the use of force. atlanta police answered a call friday night that brooks was asleep in his car at a wendy's drive-through. the encounter began calmly but escalated when police tried to arrest brooks for drunk driving. brooks fought with the officers, taen ran away with one of their r guns. while fleeing, one of the officers shot brooks twice in the back. he was fir and charges may be filed this week. we explore this case and the

larger questions, ith paul butlo specializes in criminal law and race at georgetown law school, and, retired police officer thomas, who now teaches forensic studies at florida gulf coast university. hello to both of you. thank you so much for being here. know this 40-minute encounter is too much to go over every second of it, but theut h two ou have looked at as much as we released.video that's been question to you is: could this have been headed off from e very beginning? did the police, coming across a man sitting in his car whoad fallen asleep, did they end up...dy they haveo arrest him? paul butler, i'm going to come to you first. >> so, judy, we see the first 35 minutes of the encounter is civil. at first the officer who responds says, why don't u just take your car from the

driveway to the parkindg lot sleep it off. that's effective polici but later wh the officer who ends up killing mr. brwsooks s up, mr. brooks says, if you'r concerned about my driving, my sister lives two blocks away, i can just walk to her house and leave the car ther that also is effective policing. the cops don't have tot arres everyone. public safety is about keeping people safe. but two often, especially with afcan ameran suspects, the resort is always to arrest and sometimes leads to these tragic consequences. >> woodruff: david thomas, let me ask you about that moment when police made the decision not to jt let it go, that, instead, they decide they did give him a test, whether he had been driving under the influence, and the decision to arrest him. did they have a choice to say, you can go?

choice or having that choice or using discretion, what actually happens in that process is if i t him go, there's nothing to keep him from returning to that vehicle andriving it. and he's impaired. do nothing, and if he kills somebody, then the police are going to be held liable fothr . so it's a double-edged sword. in most instaces, i've seen this happen where officers have done this, and the person comes back, takes the car, thand drive off that. leads to a chase. i 's a mess some the reality is ink that as much as i would inke to say, don't make the arrest, i don't you have much of a choice because the officers are responsible. >> woodruff: paul butler, what about that? the office were faced with a decision about what to do about what they found there? >> reality is police officers alwa exercise discretion.

most cops will tell you ty certainly don't arrest everybody who they have probable cause to arrest. it's about common sense judgment. the officer could have said, if i see you in this car, i'm going to lock you up, but again, mr. brox said, all i have to do is walk two blocks away. we know from the evidence that police officers exercise their discretion not tarrest all the time, and white people are disproportionately get the benefit of those decisions not to arrest. african american people and hispanic peopl disproportionately get locked up. >> woodruff: and pick up onth , david thomas, because when the point came that they did try to arrest him, he resistthed. e was a fight. mr. brooks took the taser of one of the officers. he ran, fired the taser, then what could the police have done

that point? help people understand what thse t.tire for the police in that mom >> well, the options are, quite frankly, the officer never had to use his firearm. but on the other side of, that what you really have to recognize is what georgia statute is and whatthe atlanta police department's policy is. that is considered a deadly weapon, e taser is. in fact, it is classified as a firearm under georga statute. e officer didn't have to fire, but once he beg that, and people need to understand that once you start that, drawing what firearm, or you engage or grab somebodyever, you can't just turn it off like a switch. it is... it has to go through into completion. so from all things, i wod say that this shooting, although awful, it would probablybe

classified in policeing as what we call "lawfulut awful." >> woodruff: paul butler, you argument is it inner should have got on the that point, but once it did, what over option did the officers he? >> well, the police are only allowed to use deadly force to repel aeadly thr that is if they think that they ore somese is about to be killed. the use of force has to be proporti cate. the polinot kill in order to prevent a non-deadly threat. the irony is that police officers are trained that tasers are an alternative to deadly force. they aret onsidered deadly force under the law, so the the officer reasonably useder deadly force because he really thought that mr. brooks was going to kill him, or rather on the other hand, was the officer mr. brooks for resisting arrest?

>> woodruff: there's something i want to show both of you. there was notableoment today judiciary committee, an exchange between texas republican senator john corny and vinita gupta, who was the head of the civil rights division in the justice identtment under pr obama.i want to ask you to listo this and then i have a question after. >> you change the phrase from systematic to structmural racis. what does that mean? that means everything, every institution, every person in america is a racist?me >> is that there is bias in policing, there have been any number of courageous police chiefs that have spoken to the historof systematic racism policing. >> but do you think systematictr ortural racism can exist es a system that requir

individual responsibility? or do you think it's one or the other? >> i think every american institution has been kind of shaped by these forces, and our goal is to do what we can as policy-makers, as advocates, to take that out and to try to fight it in the modern-day iterations that it appears. >> well, do you believe basicallall americans are racist? >> i think we all have implicit bi and racial bias, yes, we do. >> wow. >> woodruff: david thomas, i want to come you. the two of you have studied the police in this country. is it fair to say that there is inherent bias in the minds of most if not all white lice in this country? >> i think it's even fair to say that there's implicit biasn every american. we all bring that to the table.

and if a person is selected to become a police officer, once they become a police officer, that bias comeshe into policing. we all have our likes and our dislikes. so that bias is ever present. >> woodruff: paul butler? >> so bias is something that is learne we're not born prejudiceed. that's good news. that means we can unlea it. i think the exchange that we the problem is a few bad appler cops, which is how the trump administration positions it, or rather the issues are more systematic. we know in atlanta, that's theic same pdepartment that two weeks ago fired officers because they stopped a car, dragged two college students out of the car, and tased them for nnt appare reason. president obama's commission on policing said thatefore reform

starts, cultures have to change. the problem is too my cops think of themselves as warriors. guardians is the better model. so if we had that culture change in atlanta, we high see the kind of policing that citizens respect. >> woodruff: huge conversation, hunting subject. this is st one of many conversations we're going to be having on the news hour about this. but i want tonk both of you for joining us. paul butler, david thomas, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> always a plere, judy. >> woodruff: before the killings of rayshard brooks in atlanta and of george floyd in minneapolis, citizens in another major city were angered by the death of an african-american woman at the hands of police

john yang reports on the case of breonna taylor. >>ands up! don't shoot! >> yang: months after louisville, kentucky, police killed the 26-year-old emergency room technician in her own apartment, her name rings out in the streets. >> say her name! >> breonna taylor! >> yang: it was after midnight on march 13th when three pice dficers broke down breonna taylor'sr while serving a drug warrant. evenckhough it was a "no-" warrant, police say they did ilock and identify themselves; taylor's fsays they didn't. the officers exchanged gunfire with kenneth walker, taylor's boyfriend, who said he thought someone was breaking in. she was hit at least eight times,nd died. walker called 911. >> 911, what is your emergency? >> i don't know what's happening. somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend. >> yang: the killing touched off waves of demonstrations, starting near louisville city nation.nd sweeping across the

taylor's mother, tamika palmer, >> to know breonna, she was full li life. she love. she respected life. this is so much bigger than her. >> yang: during protests on june 1, police shot and killed david mcatee, a black man who owneraa local rest. the louisville police chief was fired after it was revealed the body cameras worn by the officers involved were turned off. since then, the city mandated wider usof body cameras. e'd last week... >> here today for one reason only, and that is because of the life and legacy of ms. breonna taylor. >> yang: ...with taylor's family looking on, the louisville cit council passed "breonna's law," barring the use of "no-knock" warrants. attorney ben crump represents taylor's family. >> at first, only her mama and

her sister were saying her name. but now the whole world is saying breonna taylor's name. >> yang: still, much of what happened that night in taylor's apartment remains a mystery. most of the police report on the incident was left blank. hannah drake is a louisville activist and author. >> her case was hidden, hidden from louisville, hidden from kentucky, and hidden from america primarily because she's black. and secondarily, because she's a woman. >> yang: all the whilee streets chant breonna taylor's >>me. say her name! .breonna taylor! >> yang: the. is investigating taylor's killing. the three officers involved are he administrative reassignment amid calls forto be fired, arrested and charged. drea ritchie is a researcher at barnard college. she is the author of "invisible no more: police violence against black women and women of color."

for joining us. thanks so much earlier in the show, just before this segment, we heard a discussion about rayshard brooks' case in atlanta. this happened on friday. already that officer has been fired. shere's talk of criminal charge against him. breonna taylor was killed three months ago. the officers are still on the force. they're on administrative reassignment. and as far as we know publicly the investigation has had very , ttle movement. ry little public movement. what do you make of that difference? i definitely think that it has to do with how we see and understand violence and who it impacts and how it's impactedden i think it alsohas to do with the jurisdiction. it's long past time for those officers to be fired. fand it's long past tim her family to receive the they're owed a deserved.ha i think part of it is about how we understand state violenurce. i think understanding of state violence is shaped by the

experiences of black men like oyshard, who are perceived to be the sorf quintessential targets from the time of lynchi to the time of the present, and that the experiences of women, of gender-based violence as kind of shaped by our understanding of white women experiencing domestic violence in the home, and as a result, black womeno experience both ate and violence in the home are left out of both narratives and we niterally don't see them, even when the vio is happening to them in front of us. i think that police report that you showed that itdicated t there was no injury to a black woman who was gunned down if hail of bullets in her own bed and killed is just the most extreme example of how we don't see state violence against black women as we do against other people. let me just say, state violence generally, whether it's against black men or women, does not receive the response it deserves. i'm glad those officers are d red, but what we nee do is stop these killings. >> yang:le louisvas banned in reness to this, ban nod-knock

warrants. they called it breonna's law. how effective do you think that will be? steppingack to look at how those police officers came to be at her door and looking to inteupt one of the mechanisms that resulted in her death and also in the death of i can na arve other black women killed by no-knocknts, teresa wilson, alberta spriewl, jonesi. s not the first time, so i think stop nothing-knock warrants is important. and we need to recognize that increasing the time that folks have to respond to 15 or 30 seconds ora minute, imagine someone backing on your door in the middle of[uh t night. that's not enough time to understand what's going on either. we neeto maybe step further back and ask why are people shing up, armed police officers showing up on people's doors for no-knock or short-knock warrants. we need to look at the war on drugs, which is where those warrants came from ad what brought those officers to where

breonna's door. we need to rethink our appch. and we need to save lives, not taking them in the way breonna taylor's was taken. >> yang: you spoke about sopoety's view againsce violence against back people, how it's shaped by violence against black men inch your study, you talk a lot about hoff the rences in the way black women interact with police. talk abo some of those differences. >> i do also talk about the fact that we perience many of the same forms of vlence. i do think tha much of thele police ve that black women experience also happens in private as it did fr breonna taylor. it often happens in the context of the war on drugs, and sort of by association in the way that the officer somehow thought that she was associated with something th she was not a all associated with. so it happens in the context of calls for help, calls for help in mental health crisis, calls for help r domestic violence, calls for help around sexual assault. calls for help, you know, in

tatiana jefferson's case, a ullness check can wind being a deadly intervention with police. so i think what that tells us is that it moves us more quickly td the dehat people are making on the streets in louisville and across the country toefund police and invest in different responses to those things, to ment health needs, to domestic violence or checks that wouldn't have armed police officers coming into a y harming ttentia person that they're ostensibly there to protec and instead we focus on prevention measure, intervention measure, and harm transformation measures that don't result in the kinds of harms that black women pansicularly and t and gender non-conforming people only response to those problems. >> yang: andrea ritchie, ase cher at barnard college and an attorney rresenting people involved in police violence, thank you very much. >> hthank you foring me. >> woodruff: now, the world's

two most-populous nations, both nuclear powers, in a deadly face laf on a disputed border high in the his. teephanie sy has the story. >> rep judy, that decades- ond border dispute between china and india centerhe fact what is called the ofr border. actual control" stretches for more than 2,000 miles across the nations' himalayan border. tensio last month in this frigid place. the 20 indn soldiers died in murky circumstances in the heeacherous galwan valley; were no firearms, and there was no confirmed word of chinese deaths or casuales. for more on this dispute, its history, and what happens now, i'm joined by alys ayres, who's senior fellow for india, pakistan, and south asia at the

council on foreign relations. she's a former deputy assistant secretary of state for south asia. alyssa, thanks for joining us. briefly explain the roots of this conflict. >> thanks, stephanie, thanks for covering this important and worrisome outbreak of tensions. it's important, first of all, because these are two nuclear armepowers that share a border that they don't fully -- they have not deleated this boarder in any way. after more than 20 rnds of border ta between india and china, it still ha't been accurately demarcated. so you can see without the reability to determine wh claims begin and end, there's going to be fferences and disputes over the border. happening. that's what's been unfolding over the course of the last month. >> reporter: do we know specifically, alyssa, what led to today's confrontation? >> no, we do not.

i'm looking for more reporting. all the reporting we've had so far has been coming from the dian side, from indian media. et appears that they were in t process of de-escalating. these teions have been ongog for weeks, as you noted, since early may, and in this process of de-escalating, somehow things came to blows. >> reporter: we're hearing reportof at lea 20 indian troops that ve been killed. no official confirmation from the chinese side. but also reportedly that the chinese us iron rods and stones. i want to ask you, alyssa, what are the risks of escalation into some sort of armed conflct? >> that's obviously what everne is worried about. when you have a standoff of this nature, when you ,have, agai two nuclear powers that have a border stando, you alway worry about what the possible path of escalation could be. now, again, it has seemed that this was going to be a proces

of de-escalating after a series of both military and dinmatic consultations. reporter: i imagine thno side wants war at this time or at any time. so what wouldyou expect to perspective?from a diplomatic >> right. i would very muc hope that they continue the process of deescalation. but i don't think we should make any mistake about the fact that when you see suddenly all of a sudden after more than fouand a half decades troop fatalities in this way, it does raise ncerns. so i can't imagine that there's going to be any more sanguine attitude in new delhi about further deescalation without seeing a very significant deescalation from the chinese side. >> reporter: this is of course with both india and china but espeally the forme under tremendous pressure right now because of a pandemic. >> well, there is a pandeic. the indian economy had been slowing even prior to the

onslaught of the pandemic and the need to shut down their economy, and, ocourse work the coronavirus shutdown, the economy has just had the rug pulled out from under it. they were looking at a to coastline of somethinlike 45% in the last quarter according ta a gosachs report. this is a real concern. >> reporter: alice, yeah -- alyssa, does the u.s. play any role in the deescalation process between these two major powers? >> some of your viewers may reenmber the presids famous tweet volunteering to mediate. neither india nor china areok g for a mediator on this issue. they have their own bilateral channel,lbeit one that hasn't had success resolving their border dispu, all these years but i don't think there is a real opening. i do think the united states should place a pirate to watc it closely, and i do think the united states should signal that tes,itorial assertivene are seeing territorial assertiveness on china's part ound the whole regi. it's not acceptable.

>> reporter: alyssa ayres with the council on foreign relations, thanks so much for joining us with your expertise in this region. >> thank you. thanks, stephanie. >> woodruff: tensions between the koreas are on the rise today. north korea blew up the inter korean liason office, a building near the boarder with south korea. this comes as north korean rhetoric has grown increasingly hostile. foreign affairs correspondent nick schifrin has the story. >> schifrin: on south korean tv, the music and image were threating-- the liaison office, up in smoke, as captured by a south korean surveillance explosion.stroyed in a single the building opened in 2018, a symbol of north-south reconciliation. kiat year north korean leader enng un and south korean

presidmoon jae-in had a rare rapprochement, and a sitting u.s. president met a north korean leader for the firs time. in the background that day, kim r. jong, kim jong un's sis but since the promises made in singaporfailed to turn into reconciliation, and the u.s. ignored a vagunew edar's deliy the north, she's become more ominent. and north korea has become more belligerent, cutting off communication with the south, and threatening to advance its nuclear program, and deploy military to recently de- militarized areas along the border. and for more on this, i'm joined by jongmin kim, the seoul correspondent for nk news use, a web site focused on the korean peninsula. welcome to the news hour. let's talk about the motivations thr what pyongyang is doing. is north korea's wrath targeted at seoul? is it targeted at washington or

is there also an aspect to this >> i would say tha alln? three. the deal didn't happen between north korea and the united states and the year end deadline that north korea set for itself in washington, it just expired. and it seems that the anger right now, it's targeted toward south korea because from north korea's perspective, despite all the goodwill gestures and all the agreements in 2018 from north koreans point of view, p uth korea didn't do that much and didn't hat much as a ondiator between washington and ang. there could be domestic concerns as well. the party founding anniversary of the 75th anniversary in octobeis coming up. and the north korean regime has vowed that they will come up cwith these dashing econo achievements by then. but right now, they dot have much to boast about to the domestic public right now.

the statements from north korea in recent days were made by very high level officials such as kim yo jong, who is north korean leader kim jong un's sister. in march, she did start writing these statements under her byline. but the difference right now, since the first week of june, is that her statements started coming out in a party daily in north korea, which targets domestic audience. which means that her profile is going up in the domestic setting. >> schifrin: the obvious groomed in some way to becomeg more prominent, to maybe even take over one day from kim jong un? >> although it seems that kim jong un seems etty healthy and at much alive, it seems it does seem im young's prominence in recent days points

to how north korean leadership is maybe prepping her up to be a porful voice as a, as one the paek bloodline in north korea, which is a very important myth, a cornerone of statehood in north korea. >> schifrin: at this poi, is the overall effort between presidt trump and kim jong il, obviously facilitated by sth korean president moon jae in, is that effort effectivad? >> i wouldn't say it's entirely dead, but i would say that not much time is left now, with the u.s. upcoming presidential election, and also south korean moon jae-in term not left much, and with the u.s. side andorth korean side not being able to narrow down the gap between what zaey want from the denucleaon deal, it seems that realistically it's almost impossible for the three actors

to come up with a solution. correspondent for news., seoul, thank you very much. >> thank you. ha woodruff: as we've seen, no part of the worlbeen spared from the effects of the coronavirus. people in nearly everyry have been infected and fallen seriously ill. rtd as william brangham re sometimes even those who know viruses most intimately fall victim. >> brangham: dr. peter piot has been chasing viruses his entire career. he was among the team that first discovered ebola.. later, he helped prove it was h.i.v., e virus that causes aids, that was killing people in africa. and for two decades, he led two of the biggest global efforts fight h.i.v./aids.

but this march, the 71 year old piot got coronavirus. he's not sure how he was infected, but he had a terrible, painful stretch fighting covid- 19. i spoke with him recently from his home in london, england. peter piot, welcome back to the newshour. very good to see you. >> good to see you. >> brangham: can you just tell us a little bit about your experience suffering with covid- 19? >> well, after spending most of my adult life fighting viruses, h.i.v., a virus got me.y ron the 19th of march, i came dolly pretty... within a headache, splitting headache, high fever, my allergies and my muscles, everything ached. and i got really, really exhausted. and for seven days, i was in the hospital with oxygen.

and until it was at the level that, you know, i could go bac home. and things continued to improve. and i haalso bacterial pneumonia. i was treated for that. but i was still completely knocked out, you kno it's really as if you're hit by a truck or sort of bus. and then suddenly, gradually, i starteexperiencing shortness of breath. and then i went to the hospital again. and they diagnosed me with a post-covid... well, a pneumonia that's the result of, not of the virus directly, but of the inflammatory reaction. one of the things i didn know is that it can be so avronic. but people he kidney problem people have chronic lung problems. >> brangham: things that will last for the rest of your life. >> yeah, it uld be, yes. and so we need to plan for that as well, while, of course, trying to do everything to stop this virus from spreading.

brangham: i'm curious-- as someone, as you were describing, who has fought against viruses your entire career and studied how they mutate, how they replicate, how they how they eransmit from person to person, was a point in your own cilness where you moved from being you, thetist to you, the patient? >> yes. the moment i went to the i emergency room and i, yo, w my chest x-ray, clearly pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia, my oxygen saturation. and so i swihed from the doctor, from the scientist/the doctor to the patien you know, your world, you know, shrinks completely. you know, you think of breathing. will i get out of here? how will i get out of here? want to get on the ventilator. i was thinking... my wife, my ahildren. it was a really, really different experience for me. >> brangham: you saiearlier

that the virus "got you" and i know in another interview you described this as the virus getting revenge for all of the labors you've done to push back on viruses all over the world. do you see it... i mean, i understand that's a metaphor, but do you see it that way? y. you see it that it fina a virus finally caught up with you? >> yeah. i thought that maybe because of the fact that i'd faced so many i was, you know... it couldn't get me. i was, you know, i was kind of invincible. normally you feel like that when you're 27. i always tried to sten in the saddest moments, to find a bit of humor and satire and, you know, enjoy it. i like the fact i lost seven kilos and i said, ¡that's that's a silver lining, because with all my exercise, i never got my e.m.i. to within normal ra and now i'm there. >> braham: the covid diet plan-- i don't know if that's going to takoff. >> i'm not suggesting it. although i was careful already

before, i, you know, we had a lockdown, i started working remotely. i wouldn't shake hands, i would keep some distance. but obviously it was not enough. >> brangham: in much of your career at unaids, you talked a lot about, and wrestled a lot, with balancing the competing interests sometimes of science and politics and economics, and we've certainly seen that being a struggle here, with public health officials urging lockdowns and the economic and political pressure to say, ¡no, you're strangling our economy. we have to reopen.' do you think that we have struck the right balance thus far in this pandemic? >> it's the reality of life, of everything, this trade off. and it's come to very extreme dimensions with covid-19, because we know that the virus is still there. and if we relax public health measures, we will nearly

guarantee... have a, you know, a second wave and a third wave of outbreaks. e need to approach it, i think, as a... you know, risk because we can't cociety forever because we would all get so poor and there will b nothing to fight the epidemic with. on t other hand, if this epidemic is not under control, we simply n't restart the economy at full speed. but so, as societies we will have to learn how to live with covid-19 and with a certain risk that we accept or not. i mean, it's not as extreme as you know, we accept that x people a year die in car accidents. we're not going to stop driving a car, you know? however, the problem with the covid-19 is that if we don't bring it really under control and make, for example, hospitals, health care settings safe, that's gonna undermine a lot of other things.

so we need to put our efforts there where the epidemic is. ot brangham: all right, peter very nice to see you upright and healthy again. t hank you very, very much for your time. >> thank you, william, thank you. uf >> woo finally tonight, teve-time grammy award-winning singer/songwmary chapin ecrpenter is the only artist to have won four coive grammy awards for best female country vocal performance. she has sold more than 15 million records, with a new album cong out this summer. she's also been attracting millions on social media during the pandic with a special series. amna nawaz caught up with her recently about these difficult times, and her response in song. it's part of our ongoing arts and culture series, canv.it

>> nawaz this kind of casual interaction that's attracted a legion of fans, old and new, to mary chapin carpenter's "songs from home" series-- her online mini- performances which began early on during the pandemic. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ carpenter lives on this farm, deep in the virginia countryside. and has traded concert venues packed with thousands of cheering fans for the quiet, intimate "small stage" of her kitchen, where angus the dog, e d "white kitty" often act as dience. ♪ ♪ fre shared with us the title trac her 16th album coming s.t in august titled: "the dirt and the s" ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

c at's that been like for you to introduce new muto the world? when we're all kind of changing or living in a world that's change >> i wanted to be able to just do something to be a positive force during a time, and we need music no matter what so why not put the record out? i definitely am still scribb songs, working on things, ideas still come to me. of course, i've got a lot of time on my hands to think and to try to follow the muse. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> nawaz: the recipe for "songs from home" social media series is simple: just carpenter, her acoustic guitar, and a moment of music to reflect. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ some of the music is an escape, but i should mention you've never shied away from the tough

stuff that includes on the new there's some political stuff in there. i'm curious, as a songwriter, as o an artist, as a creator,u feel that that is a responsibility, that to weigh in on those kinds of things? >> i've never been one of those artists that i've never understood why people say, you know, shut up and sing or yo s ouldn't put your own feelings towae world and you soouldn't, you know, use your position as box and i've never thought of it as that. i always see it as i'm simply speaking to my own feelings. and i always have and i always will. >> nawaz: to that end, carpenter directly to the unrest a ongoing black lives matter marches around the country... >> these difficult days, difficult weeks, words fail me so i will sing ♪ if i listen and iannot hear the music ♪ if i try to swim the ocean and cannot reach the shore

♪ if the world is offered love e t doesn't use it >> nawaz: d previously addressed head on her discontent with the trump administration in a song last year called "our man walter cronkite," assailing >> ♪ and the s of children and cages ♪ while dog whistles stink up ine place ♪ everys different but nothing much changes ♪ our man walter cronkite and what will you miss when i grew up in a house w ere every nighry monday through friday, my parents turned on the .elevision and walter cronkite was in our house , me time now and i started thinkiat would walter cronkite think, the most trusted man in america, being called an enemy the american people? i don't think that we would stand for that. h nawaz: as her own journ

now changed-- she would have been on tour with hend and longtime collaborator shawn but, carpenter is optimistic that time will return. >> i believe that when it is safe to come back and gather again and hear live musi tha it will be just as important, if not more so, to everyone. >> nawaz: so how about another song from home, what do you say? >> ♪ try to conjure just in an all certainty, ready to run ♪ summer night sticks to my skin and beers from to my head on ♪ hands out no, you can't use your so until the next timeknow what to do, stay well, stay strong, and stay mighty. >> nawaz: for the pbs newshour, i'm amna nawaz.

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