captioni sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, policing the police-- the president signs an executive order on law enforcement as major questions remain about the widespread use of force. then, calls for justice-- officers have yet to bged in the death of breonna taylor, horee months afterhe wast to death in her own home. plus, a serious setback-- north korea destroys a symbol of relations with the south, increasing tensionand derailing attemp engagement. and, first hand experience-- we speak to one of the world's leadinrts on infectious diseases about contracting covid 19 himself. >> your world shrinks completely. you think of breathing.

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surrounded by law enforcement officials, mr. trump said the call for law and order.s >> americans believe we must support men in blue who police our streets and keep us safe. americans also believe we must improve accountability. reducing crime and raising standards are not opposite goals, they are not mually exclusive. they work together. th aork ge. >> woodruff: earlier, the president met with the families of several people killed by welot ag, r the news summary. the president'uncement came as senate republicans worked on their own package of police reforms. at a hearing today, mes both paf floyd in minneapolis, a turning point. >> being a cop is no easy thing, you make a lot of snap decisions where your life is threatened

and that of the community, but we have to realize taking another human being's hile in police custody is something we should be better at in 2020 than we are. >> if we are silent we are complicit. if we stand therand demand dominance and wave bibles, were no better than monsters, but if we act and actually do something and get this bill passed, well then we're lawmakers andhat will be the legacy of george floyd. >> woodruff: meanwhile, new york city announced today that policeust now release all body-camera footage of shootings or other deadly use-of-fce, within 30 days. and, seattle's city council voted last night to ban tear gas crowd-control devices.am police in albuquerque, new mexico have arrested a man after a shooting during a protest last it happened as demonstrators tried to tear down a spanish conquistador's statue and

the men reportedly were part of an unregulated militia. police say protesters attacked one man, and he opened fire, wounding one of them. u.s. deaths from covid-19 have now passed the number of erican troops killed in world war one, at well over 116,500. that news came today as vice president penced, in "the wall street journal," that talk of a second wave of infections is overblown. meanwhile, china reimposed trfel restrictions in parts beijing, as it faces a new the chairman of the federal reserve warned today that an pandemic is uncertfrom the jerome powell told a senate hearing that first, the public has to regain confidence. hit the hardest. >> the burden of the downturn has not fallen equally on al americans. stead those least able to

withstand the downturn have been ed most. if not contained and reversed, the downturn could further widen omic well-being that the long expansion made some progress in closing.>> wdruff: o repeated his earlier statements that congress will likely have to consider additional steps -- including extended unemployment benefits. despite the fed's fears, stos shot up on news that retail sales jumped nearly 18% in may. the dow jones industrial average gained 526 points to close at 26,290. the nasdaq rose 169 points, and, the s&p 500 added 58. inatalayas, a boer turnedrd deadly overnight, for e first time in decades. new delhi says 20 indian troops were killed in the ladakh region, as soldiers fought with iron rods and st we'll examine the longstanding border dispute later in the

prram. north korea dramatically escalated tensiope on the korean nsula today. the north blew up an empty buildingousing a liaison office with south korea, just north of their heavily armed border. officials in seoul warned of repercussions, if anything else happens. >> ( translated ): the south korean government makes it clear y for all ile resulting situations iths itentiherely o rn nortibh koreps we sternly warn that if north korea continues to take measures that aggravate the situation, we will strongly respond to it. >> woodruff: north korea has so cut communications with seoul recently, and threatened to abandon peace agreements. we'll return to this, later in the program. back in this country, the u.s. justice department has ordered executions of federal death row inmates to resume, in mid-july. they would be the first since 2003. attorney general william barr

issued the directive, after a months-long legal fight. and, pacific gas and electric guilty today to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter in northern california. it stems from a 2018ire that destroyed most of the town of paradise. the fire wited by pg&e's no executives will be charged. instead, the utility faces a maximum fine of $3.5 m. still to come on the newshour: order on police reform.e major questions remainnationwidw widespread use of force. calls for officers to be charged in the d grow louder.a taylor and much more.

>> woodruff: as we reported earlier, president trump signed an executive order today on policing, amid growing calls for police reforms and racial justice. yamiche alcindor joins me now. hello, yamiche.so tell us, whatt this point about what's in this executive order that the president wants too about the police this this country? >> well, prpesident tr executive order on picing is the most sweeping action that he's taken on policing since he was elected and came into office. that said, many experts and people who are working on policing efforts in this country say this executive order doesn't really have a lot ofeeth. it tries to incentivize a lot of police departments into doing things like establishing training and policies on use of force through federalrants rather than forcing them to do something. so some things in the executive order, thereer d'tio iemsts atet

ac ratstm, bissay lautw enfoement officias misuse their power, and that has led to mistrust, particuarly in the african american community. it's also pushing nor a national database the tra o bicers who are accused of wrongdoing that maybe go from department t department as data shows that they do. the other thing that it does is talk chokeholds. the president made a point of saying today that chokeholds will be banned unless police officers fear for their lives. gelot of people say that doesn't chuch because that still means that police officers can say, i feared for my life. at's one of the most commo things that police officers say when they kill someone. the other thing to note is that is focused on trying change the culture of policing. esident really talked to a lot of advisers, talked to a lot of lawrs and family membe for people who have been killed by the police to come up with this, but ehiven with still, democrats are saying this just isn't going far enough, nd

house speaker nancy pelosi today called it weak, saying that eve' though mentioning all sorts of things that activists want, it's not gar far enoughat. what i hear from people as i try to get feedback about the executive order. >> woodruf so yamiche, w also know the president met today with family members of a number of those who have been killed by police in this country. what do we know abut those family members. >> that's right, judy. the president spentan hour meeting with family membero of people who had either bee killed by the police or who had been killed in racially charged iincidents. wheard from the lawyer of those families well as several families who were in that meetin the president expressed sympat. he listened to a number of families as they explained their situation. the president said that h nted to have federal investigations into each one of talked to a man named dwayne palmer, whose brother everett palmer died mysteriously ina

pennsylvania jail. he said while the president was kfeinofwo krtngzwo.rid hin words. we want action." dwayne told heagney mel like the presiduswaenains t tg his ofmt have been a great kid, this must have been terrible.he said he we specific actions that the president said he wanted tr do. the otheing to note is the president signed the executive order in the rose garden. he was sured by law enforcement officials as they were clapping and really onplauding for a job well dse garden were those families of loved ones who were killed. e was told that a lot of thos families didn't want to be used as "props." dwayne palmer told me he was very worried about beg used as a photo op. he didn't want president trump to claim victory with a sea of block and brown voices. instead he said, i'm happy to give him credit for the executive order, but iwant h to do more. >> woodruff: yamiche alcor following all this today at the white house. yamiche, we thank you.

>> woodruff: the shooting death of rayshard brooks this weekend has added new fuel to the national conversation and e ofests around the usforc atlanta police answered a call drivthh.br wooleasepn s car ads as the encounter began calmly but escalated when pice tried to arrest brooks for drunk driving. brooks fought with the officers, then ran away with one of their taser guns. while fleeing, one of the officers shot brooks twice in the back. f w airased ehafirgleesd mthis weeek. lore this case and the larger questions with paul butler, who specia lizeinal law and rinace at

georgetown law school, and, retired police officer david thomas, who now teaches forensic studies at florida gulf coast university. hello to both of you. thank you so much for being he 4. i know thiminute encounter is too much to go over every seco of it, but thh two have looked at as muchouof tha n released. my question to you is: could inis have been headed off from the very bing? did the police, coming across a man sitting in his car who had fallen asleep, did they end .dy eyve trrest him? paul butler, i'm going to come to you first. >> s judy, we see the first5 minutes of the encounter is civil. at first the officer who responds says, why don't you just take your car from the drivewayo the parking lot and sleep it off.

that's effective licing. but later when the officer who ends up killing mr. brooks shows up, mr. brooks says, if you're concned about my driving, my sister lives two blocks away, i can just walk to her house and leave the car there. that also is effectiveolicing. the cops don't have to arrest everyone. publeeng buuttwobo often, especially wita sometimes it leads tse tragic consequences. woodruff: david thomas, let me ask you about that moment when police made the decision ead,tohenoy dt ec jidt eus i thd give him a test, whether he had been driving under the adinfluence, and then they the decision to arrest him. did they have a choice to say, you can go? the problem with making thvingo

ooice usg discretion, whatually happens in that process is if i urt him go, there's nothing to keep him from ring to that vehicle and driving it. and he's impaired. so because of that,he pole do nothing, and if he kills somebody, then the police are e-edged sword.ld liable fo doubr in most instances, i've seen this happen where comes bae, clethads toar a chase. it's a mess some the reality is i think that as much as i woulde o say, don't make the arrest, i don't think you have much of a choice because the officers are respon blabe.outhat? the officers were with a decision about what to do about what they found there? >> ality is policefficers always exercise dise most cops will tell you they oncertainly don't arrest everyby who they have probable cause to

arrest. so it's about common sense hav sai i the cedoffiulr co i see you in this car, i'm going to lock you up, but again, mr. brox said, all i have to do is walkwo blos away. theirw from the evidence that discretion not to arrest all the time, and white people are disproportionately get the benefit of those decisions not to arrest. african american people and hispanic people disproportionately get locked up. >> woodruff: and pick up on that, david thomas, because when the point came that theyid try to arrest him, he resisted. there was a figt. mr. brooks took the taser of one of the officers. he ran, fired the taser, then what could the police have done at that point? that moment. for the police ine

>> well, the options ar quite frankly, the officer never had to use his firearm. but on the other se of, that what you really have to recognize is what georgia statute is and what the atlanta police department's policy is. weapon, the tar is.a deadly m fact, it is classified as a fireder georgia statute. the officer didn't have to fire, buonce he began that, and people need to understand that dywhatev start that, drawinomg , you can't just turn itff like a switch. it is... it has to go through intoompletion. so from all things, i would say that this shooting, although awful, it woul probably be classified in pliceing as wha we call "lawful but awful."

>> woodruff: paulutler, you argument is it inner should have got on the that point, but once it did, whave option did the officers have? >> well, the police are only allowed to use deadly force to repel a deadly threat, that is someone elses about to be the use of force h be proportionate. the police cannot kill in order to prevent non-deadly threat. the irony is that police officers are trained that tasers are an alternative to deadly force. they are not considered deadly force under the law, so the issue in this case is whether the officer reasonably used deadly force because he really thoughthatr. brooks was wing to kill him, or rather on the other hand the officer pushing or retaliating against mr. brooks for resisting arrest? >> woodruff: there's something i want to show both of you.

there was aotable moment today at a hearing of the senate between texas republican senator john cornyn and vinita gupta, who was the head of the civil rights division in the justice department under president obama. i want to ask you to listenan to thisthen i have a question after. >> you changehe phrase from systematic to structural racism. that meaverythingever institution, every person in america is a racist? >> it means that there is bia built into institutions. in policing, there have been any olicer of couragiefs thavepon te tuura braci>>domt ou y can exist individual responsibility? or do you think it's one or the

hink every amerihecr?an institution has been kind of shed by these forcesand our goal is do what we can as policy-makers, as advocates, to take that out and to try to fight it in t well, do you bracist?rca l> i think wev all have implicit bias and racias, yes, we do. >> woodruff: david thomas, i want to come to you. the two of you have studied the police in this country.sa is it fair t that there is most if notthisll a country? 'anhe.at we all bs ring that to the tabl. er aofiffiancer, once

they become a police officer, that bias comes into their policing. it's.hat america we all have our s likeanrd ou e. >> woodruff: paul butler? o bias is something that is learned. we're not born prejudiceed. that's good news. that means we can unlearn it. just witnessed is about whether the problem is a few d apple cops, which is how the trump administration posititns or rather the issues are more systematic. we know in atlanta, that's the same police department that two fweeks agoed officers because ude lltopped a car,e draggd two stf reastson. president obam's commission on starts, cultures have to change. the problem is too many cops

think of themselves as warriors. guardians ishe better model so if we had that culture change in atlanta, we high see e kind of policing that citizens respect. conversation, hunting subject. this is just one of many conversations we'rgoing to be having on the news hour about this. for joining us.hank both of you paul butler, david thomas, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> always a pleasure, judy. >> woodruff: before the killings of rayshard brooks in atlanta and of george floyd in manneapolis, citizens in another ertyr gee wbyanat womahe hands of police this spring. john yang reports on the case of

breonna taylor. >> hands up! n't shoot! louisville, kentuclice killed the 26-year-old emergency room technician in her own apartment, her name rings out in the streets. naonay tr!loame! >> yang: it was after midnight on march 13th when three police officers bro taylor's door while serving a drug warrant. even though it was a "no-knock" warrant, police say th did knock and identify themselves; taylor's family says they didn't. the officers exchanged gunfire with kenneth walker, taylor's boyfriend, who said he thought someone was breaking in. she was hit at least eight times, and died. walker called 911. >> i don't know what'smergency? happening. somebody kicked in the door and emonratigirlfriend. an starting near louisville city hall, and sweeping across the nation.

taylor's mother, tamika palmer, has led the calls for justice. >> to know breonna, she was full of life. she loved life. she respected life. this is so much bigger than her. p yang: during protests on june 1,olice shot and killed david mcatee, a black man who owned a local restaurant.thlouisville ps wred after it was revealed the body camern by the officers involved were turned tyf. since then, the andated hat because body cameras. >> of the life and legacy of ms. breonna taor. "no-knock" e usmie lyof warrants. attorney ben crump represents taylor's family. >>t first, only her mama and her sister were saying her name. but now the whole world is

me.ingnare, onmuloch t oayf naw happened that night in taylor's apartment remains a mystery. most of the police report on the incident was left blank. hannah drake is a louisville ertivist and author. >>ase was hidden, hidden from louisville, hidden from kentucky, and hidden from k.erica primarily because she's and secondarily, because she's a llman. >> yan the while, the streets chant breonna taylor's name. >> say her name! >> breonna taylor! >> yang: the f.b.i. is investigating taylor's killing. the three officers involved are id administrative reassignment alls for them to be fired, arrested and charged. andrea ritchie is a researcher she is the author of "invisible no more: police violeninst black women and women of color." andrea ritchie, thanks so much for joining us.

earlier in the show, just before this segment, we heard a discussion about rayshard brooks' case in atlanta. atis happened on friday. already ic offf s crr imeinhaals against him. breonna taylor was killed three force. theyre on administrative reassignment. and as far as we know publicly the investigation has had very little movement. , very little public movement. what do you make of that difference? >> i definitely think that it has to do with how we see and understand violence and who it impacts and how it's impactedden think it also has to d with the jurisdiction. it'song past time for those officers to be fired. er hit's long pastim tor f reparations and healing ha they're owed and deserved. i think part of it is about how i think our understanding of state violence is shaped by the experiences oflack men like rayshard, who are percived to

be the sort of quintessential margets from the time of lynching to the of the present, and that the experiences of women, ofer geased violence as kind of shaped by our understanding of white women experiencing domestic violence in t home, and as a result, black women who experience both state and violence in hoivmese and we literally don't see them, even en the violence is happening to them in front of us. i think that police report that yoshowed that indicated hat there was no injury to a black woman who was gunned down if hail ofullets in he own bed and killed is just the most extreme example how we don have the same reaction when we see state violence againsblk women as we do againacst other people. let me just say, state violence generally, whether it's against black men oromen, doesotdees. i'm glad those offic a rsstop these killings. >> yang: louisvil has banned in reness to this, ban nod-knock warrants. they called it breonna's law.

how effective do you think thatb wi >> i think it's good we're stepping back to look at how those police officers came to be f her door and looking to interrupt one e mechanisms that resulted in her death and also in the death of i can name no-knock warrants, teresalled by wilson, alberta spriewl, jone. this is not the first time, so i think stop nothing-knock warrants is import and we need to recognize that increasing the time that folks have top rond to 15 or 30 seconds or a minute, imagine someone backing on your door in the middle of[uh theight. that's not enough time to understand what's going on tether. we need to maybefurther back and ask why are people showing up, armed police officers showing up on people's door for no-knock or short-knock warrants. we need to look athe war on drugs, which is where those warrants came from and what brought those officers to where breonna's door.

weeed to pprethinach. and we need to save lives, not taking them in they breonna taylor's was taken. a yang: you spoke about society's viinst police violence against back people, how it's shaped by violence agait black men inch your study, you talk a lot about how the differences in the way black women interact with police. talk about some of those differences. that we experiency of thehe fact sa forms of violence. police violence that black women experience also happens in private as it didobreonna taylor. it often happens in the context of the war on drugs, a sort of by association in the way that the officer somehow thought that she was associated with something that she was not at all associated with. also it happens in the context of calls for help, calls for help in mental health crisis, lls for help for domestic violence, calls for help around sexual assault. cklls for help, u yoow,taana jea wellness ccan wind up being

a deadly intervention with police. so i think what that tells us is that it moves us more qukly to ndeolot t ailplle pnd aecross te country to defund police and invest in dnifferent resps to those things, to mental health needs, to domestic violence or xual assault to wellnes checks that wouldn't have armed police officers coming into a home at potentially harminhe person that they're ostensibly there to pronsct, andead we eocus on prevention measure, interventionure, and harm and accountability and transformation measures that don't result in th edswoinn particularly and trans and gender non-conforming people ic pwhe olar >> yang: andrea ritchie, a researcher at barnard college and an attorney representing people involved in police violence, thank you very much. >> thank yo for having me.

>> woodruff: now, the world's two most-populous nations, both nuclear powers, in a deadly face the himalayas.ted border high in >> reporter: judy, that decades- old border dispute between china and india centers on the fact that there is no clear border. what is called the "line of actual control" stretches for more than 2,000 miles across the tensions have run er ther. last month in this frigid place. the 20 indian soldiersin murky circumstances in thelw treacherous valley; there were no firearms, and there was no confirmed word of chinese dehs or casualties. for more on this dispute, its history, a what happens now, i'm joined by alyssa ayres, who's senior felw for india, soucil on foreign relions.

s asia. alyssa, thanks for joining us. briefly explain the roots of covering this important and worrisome outbreak of tensions. it's important, first oall, because these are two nuclear armed powers that share a bord that they don't fully -- they have not delineated this boarder in any way. after more than 20 rounds of border ta still hasn't been accurately demarcated. d you can see without the ability ermine where claims begin and end, there's going to be differces and disputes over the border. enppening. that's what's unfolding over the course of the last month. >> rorter: do we know specifically, alyssa, what led to today's confrontation? >> no, we do not. i'm looking for more reporting. all the reporting we've had so far has been coming from th indian side, from indian media.

it appears that they weren the process of de-escalat ioteesns notedav, since early may, and in this process came to blows.ng, somehow things >> reporter: we're hearing reports of at least 20 indian troops that havee been kid. no official confirmation from the chinese side. but also reportedly that the chinese used ods and stones. intont to ask you,ly escalationt >> that's obviously what everyone is worried about. when you have a standoff o this nature, when you have, again, two nuclear powers that have a border standoff, you always worry about what the possible path of escalation could b now, again, it has seemed that this was going to be a process of de-escalating after a series of both military and dinmatic

consultations. >> reporter: ima ogine that at any time. so what would you expect to unfold next from a diplomapetic peive? >> right. i would very much hope that they continue the process of deescalation. but i don't think we should make any mistake about the fact thatu whenee suddenly all of a ore than four a a half decades troop fatalities in this way, it does raise concerns. so i can't imagine that there's going to be any more sanguine attitude in new delhi about further deescalation without seeing avery signiicant deescalation from the chinese side. >> reporter: this is of crse with both india and china but especially the former under tremendous prebeure right now use of a pandemic. >> well, there is a pandemic. the indian economy had bee slowing even prior to the onslaught of the pandemic and e needo o t d tutwnirhethe

coronavirus shutdown, the economy has just had the rug pulled out from under it they were looking at a to coastline of something like 45% in the last quarteaccording to a goldman sachs report. this is a real concer -- alyssa, does the u.s. play a role in the deescalation process between these two major powers? >> some of your viewers may remember the president's famous tweet volunteering to mediate. neither india nor china are looking for a mediator on this they have their own bilateral haannel, albeit one that hasn't success resolving their border dispute all these years, but i don't think there is pea realng. i do think the united states should place a pirate to watch it closely, and i do think the united states should signal that territorial assertiveness, we are seeing territorial assertiveness on china's part around the whole region. it's not aeptable. >> reporter: alyssa ayres with the council on foreign

relations, thanks so mor joining us with your expertise in this region. >> thank you. thanks, stephanie. >> woodruff: tensions between the koreas are on the rise today. north korea blew up the inte korean liason office, a building near the boarder with south korea. this comes as north korean rhetoric has grown increasingly hostile. foreign affairs correspondent sck schifrin has the story. ifrin: on south korean tv, threatening-- the n were office, up in smoke, as captured by a south korean surveillance camera, destroyed in a single explosion. the building opened in 2018, a symbol of north-south reconciliation. that year north korean leader president moon jae-in had a rare rapprochement, and a sitting ankode lreear r fofi north

in the background that day, kim yo jong, kim jong un's sister. but since the promises made in reconciliation, anu.s.rn into ignored a vague new year's deadline imposed by the north, she'become more prominent. and north korea has become more belligerent, cutting off communication with the southg and threaten advance its lyclear program, and deploy military to recee- militarized areas along the border. and for more on this, i'm joined by jongmin kim, the seoul aespondent for nk news us web site focused on the korean peninsula. welcome to the news hour. let's talk about the motivations for wh pyongyang is doing. this is north korea's wrath targeted at seoul? is it targeted at washington or is there also an aspect to this of domestic consumption?

>> i would say that it's all three. the deal didn't happen between north korea and the united states and the year end deadline that northorea set for itself in washiton, it just expired. and it seems that the anger ridt now, it's targeted tow south korea because from north korea's perspective, despite all the goodwill gestures and all the agreements in 2018 from north koreans point of view, anuth korea didn't do that much didn't help that much as a mediator between washington and pyongyang. there could be domestic concerns as well. sathe party founding anniv of the 75th anniversary in october is coming up. and the north koreane has vowed that they will comasup with theseng economic achievements by then. but righnow, they don't have much to boast about to the domestic public right now.

the statements from rth korea in recent days were made by very high level officials such as kim yo jong, who is north koan leader kim jong un's sister. in march, she did start writing these statements uer her but the difference right now, since the first week of june, is that her statements started coming out in a party daily in north korea, which tar gets ance. which means that her profile is going up in the domestic setting. >> schifrin: the obvious question then is, she being groomed in some way to become more prominent, to maybe even take over one day from kim jong un? >> although it seems that kim jong un seems pretty healthy and very much alive, it seems it does seem that kim young's ominence in recent days points to how north korean leadership

is maybe prepping her up to be a powerful voice as a, as e of korea, which is a very important inth, a cornerstone of statehood orth korea. >> schifrin: at this point, is the overall effort between president trump and ng il, obviously facilitated by south korean president moon jae in, is that effort effectively dead? >> i wouldn't say it's entirely dead, but i would say that not much time is left now, with the u.s. upcoming presidential moon jae-in term not left much, and with the u.s. side and north narrow down the gap between what they want from the denuclearization deal, it seems that realistically it's almost impossible for the three actors

to come up with a solution. >> schifrin: jongminrrim, seoul, coespondent for nk news. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: as we've seen, no part of the world has been spared from the efcts of the coronavirus. ctople in nearly every country have been in and fallen briously ill. and as willingham reports, sometimes even those who know viruses most intimately fall victim. >> brangham: dr. peter piot has been chasing virus his entire career. he was among the team that first discered ebola.. later, he helped prove it was h.i.v., the virus that causes aids, that was killing people in afca. and for two decades, he led two of the biggest gbal efforts to fight h.i.v./aids. but this march, the 71 yeaold piot got coronavirus.

he's not sure how he was infected, but he had a terrible, painful stretch fighting covid- 19. i spoke with him recently from his home in london, england. peter piot, welcome back to the newshour very good to see you. >> good to see you. >> brangham: can you just tell us a little bit about your experience suffering with covid- 19? >> well, after spending most of o adult life fighting viruses, from ebolarticularly h.i.v., a virus got me. and on the 19th of march, i came h wn really pretty... within a few hours, wry severe hiadache, splitting headache, fever, my allergies and my rescles, everything ached. and i goly, really exhausted. itd for seven days, i was in the hospitaloxygen. and until it was at the level that, you knowi could go back home.

and things continued to improve. and i had also bac pneumonia. i was treated for that. bui was still completely knocked out, you know. it's really as if you're h by a truck or sort of bus. and then suddenly, gradually, i started experiencing shortness of breath. and then i went to the hospital again. and they diagnosed me with a post-covid... well, a pneumonia that's the result of, not of the virus directly, but of the inflammatory reaction. and one of the things i didn't know is that it can be so chronic. but people have kidney problems. people have chronic lung problems. >> brangham: things that will last for the rest of your life. >> yeah, it could be, and so we need to plan for that as well, while, ofourse, trying to do everything to stop this virus from spreading. >> brangham: i'm curious-- as someone, as you were describing,

eso has fought against vir your entire career and studied y w they mutate, how they replicate, how tw they transmit from person to person, was there a point in your own belness where you moved from g you, the scientist to you, the patient? >> yes roe moment i went to the emergenc and i, you know, i saw my chest x-ray, clearly pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia, my oxygen saturation. and so i switched from the doctor, from the scientist/the doctor to the patient. you know, your world, you know, shris completely. you know, you think breathing. will i get out of here? t w will i get out of here? i don't want to the ventilator. i was thinking... my wife, m children. yeah. it was a really, really different experience for me. >> brangham: you said earlier that the virus "got you."

and i know in another interview you described this as the virus getting revenge for all of the labors you've done to push back on viruses all over the world. do you see it... i mean, i understand that's a metaphor, t t do you see it that way? do you seeat it finally... a virus finally caught up with you? >> yea i thought that maybe because of the fact that i'd faced so many i was, you know... i.couldn't get i was, you know, i was kind of invincible. normally you feel like that when ysu're 27. i alried to stay, even in the saddest moments, to find a bit of humor and satire and, you know, enjoy it. i like the fact i lost seven kilos and i said, ¡that's that's xesilver lining, because with all myise, i never got my b.m.i. to within normal range. and now i'm there. >> brangham: the covid diet plan-- i don't know if that's going to take off. >> i'm not suggesting it. although i was careful already before, i, you know, we had a

lockdown, i started working remotely. i wouldn't shake hands, i would keep some distance. but obviously it wasnough. >> brangham: in much of your career at unaids, you lked a lot about, and wrestled a lot, with balancing the competing interests sometimes of science and politics and economics, and we've certainly seen that being a struggle here, with public health officials urging lockdowns and the economic and political pressure to say, ¡no, you're strangling our econy. we have to reopen.' do you think that we have struck the right balance thus far in this pandemic? >> it's the reality of life, of everything, this trade off. and it's come to very extreme dimensions with covid-19, because we know that the virus is still there. and if we relax public health measures, we will nearly guarantee... have a, you know, a second wave and a thirwave of

outbreaks. so we need to approach it, i think, as a... you know, risk management. because we can't close society d ver because we would all get so poor ere will be nothing to fight the epidemic with.d, on the other hf this epidemic is not under control, we simply can't reste economy at full speed. buso, as societies we will have to learn cow to live with d-19 and with a certain risk that we accept or not. i mean, it's not as extreme as you know, we aept that x people a year die in car accidents. we're not going to stop driving however, the problem with the covid-19 is that if we don't bring it really under control d make, for example, hospitals, health care settings safe, that's gonna undermine a lot of other things. so we need to put our efforts

there where the epidemic is. >> brangham: all right, peter piot, very nice to see you upright and healthy again. t hank you very, very much for your time. >> thank you, william, thank you. >> woodruff: finally tonight, sive-time grammy award-winning er/songwriter mary chapin wrpenter is the only artist to ha four consecutive grammy awards for best female country vocal performance. she has sold more than 15 million records, with a new album coming out thier. she's also been attracting millions on social media during the pandemic with a l series. amna nawaz caught up with her recently about these difficult timeg. and her response in son it's part of our ongoing arts and culturseries, canvas.

>> nawaz: it's this kind of casual interaction that's attracted a legion of fans, old and new, to mary chapin nlrpenter's "songs from home" series-- here mini- performances which began early on during the pandemic. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ carpenter lives on this farm, deep in the virginia countryside. and has traded concert venues packed with thousands of cheering fans for the quiet, intimate "small stage" of her kitchen, where angus the dog, and "white kitty" often act as the audience. ♪ ♪ she shared with us the t track from her 16th album coming out in august titled: "the dirt and the stars." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

what's that been likodfor you to ine new music into the world? when we're all kind of changing changed?g in a world that's do something to be a priitive music no matter what so why not put the record out? i definitely astill scribbling songs, working on things, ideas still come to me. of course, i've got lot of time on my hands to think and to try to follow the muse. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> nawaz: the recipe for "songs from home" social media series ple: just carpenter, her acoustic guitar, and a moment of music to reflect. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ some of the music is an escape, but i should mention you've never shied away from the tough stuff that inclubus on the new there's some political stuff in there. i'm curious, as a songwriter aas

an artisa creator, do you feel that that is a responsibility, that to weigh in on those kinds of things? >> i've never been one of those artists that i've ne understood why people say, you know, shut up and sing or you shouldn't put your own feelings ouwards the world and you n't, you know, use your position as a soapbox and i've never thought of it as that. i always see it as i'm simply speaking to my own feelings. and i always have and i always t ll. >> nawaz: to td, carpenter spoke directly to the unrest and ongoing black lives marches around>>he country... hese difficult days, difficult weeks, words fail me so i wilsing ♪ if i listen and i cannot hear the music ♪ if i try to swithe ocean and cannot reach the shore ♪ if the world is offered love

but doesn't use it nawaz: she had previously addressed head on her discontent with the trump administration in a song last year called "our man walter cronkite," assailing attacks on the press. >> ♪ and the sight of children and cages ♪ while dog whistles stink up the place ♪ everything's different but nothing much changes ♪ our man walter cronkite and what will you miss when i grew up in a house where every night, every monday through friday, my parents turned on the television and walter cronkite was in our house. thinking, what would walter cronkite think, the most trusted enemy of the ameriople?alled an i don't think that we would stand for that.er >> nawaz: aswn journey has now changed-- she would have been on tour with her friend and

longtime collabointor shawn cocross the country. but, carpenter is optimistic thatime will return. >> i believe that when it is safe to come back and gather again and hear le music, that it will be just as important, if not more so, to everyo. >> nawaz: so how about another song from home, what do you say? >> ♪ try to conjure just in an all certainty, ready to run ♪ summer night sticks to my skin and beers from to my head on ♪ hands out he, you can't use your so untilext time, you know what to do, stay well, stay strong, and stay mighty. >> nawaz: for the pbs newshour, i'm amna nawaz.

>> woodruff: and that's the newshour for tonight i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs yowshour, thank you, please stay safe, and sesoon. newshour has been ed by: pbs

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