captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicapasrg robert: he nation marks juneteenth, president trump faces challenges. >> i don't thi he fit for office. i don't think he has the competence. he is doing it for the money. >> it's the washington swamps. robert: the president and his allies diss miss the explosive claims and the president remains defiant with a rurnt to ail over the choice of tulsa. and as protests persists,re co is at a cross roads on race and police reform. >> there is a transition taking place in the country and what we'll ith this legislation

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committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. the public corporation for public broadcasting and from viewersike you. thank you. once again from washington, moderator, robert costa. robert: we begin tonight by recognizing juneteenth, the celebration of he manspation of enslaved black americans. they were freed after two years. all recognition of this important day comes during a reckoning on race followin the killing of george floyd. pr continuedn friday andac history and re remain dominant

forces in our politics. president trump will return to the campaign trail on saturday with a rally in tulsa, oklahoma that was pla for tonight but rescheduled after a fierce outcry about holding it on juneteenth. the choice of tulsa alarms the president's critics. nearly a century ago, white mobs launched a bloody attack against black americans in black wall street. and protestopowered into ti tulsa, autho are concerned of a spike and when he takes the stage tomorrow it will be the end of a long week as the campaign season enters the new chter and new memoir by john bolton to the iolatest dec by the supreme court to intense

debate still going on capitol hill about police andpplies reform. yache alcdor, correspondent for pbs "newshoureoff bennett, nbc news and sues and page from u.s.a. toy. and josh dawsey from "washington post." the president took on the protestors and the low lifes of what president trump making that statement on juneteenth? yamiche: the entire nation is thinking about th flaws in america, the idea that america just never quite got right that promises every woman and man.

when trum is tweeting out and threatening protestors and he is potioning himself and wi come to oklahoma and will be intensified byis rallies. at the white house, white house press secretary said didn't mean all protestors. he said any protestor will be treated the same way, the president is seen as saying i will treat them harshly. the president jokes about not treating people in police custody not nicely and y don't need to protect their heads in a right way. the president says he is an ally uses rhetoric that most people think are on the opposite ofsid protestors. he has positioned himself as a law and order president.

susan: the thing about tulsa and intersection that america is facing, the coronavus crisis and the debate over racial juice and in both of these wrong side than most americans are. this hooms as a vy important moment especially there are crackdowns on protestors. robert: u.s.a.oday has done a lot of polling where the country is on race. what have you learned from the data? susan: one of e striking things we found in our latest lls is that black lives matter s more credibility with americos t tell the truth than president trump when it comes ts pattof racial justice and that is something we polled six months ago, that would not have been the case.

there is a real sft in american public opinion. robert: geoff, you look athe president's decision to go, you advisers were telling him not to go, what have you learned? geoff: dr. fauci and dr. birx advised again him of holding a rally in tulsa that will bring topether 19,000le in a con find space for about two hours. but the president is intent on having this rally and giving his supporters the aearance that in control. the coronavirus is in retreat and that everythg in thi country is back to normal, even though weknow in oklahoma and other states, coronaviru is hitting record highs and there are millions of peopleout of work. you have public health first who are seriously concerned that this rally cod be a super

spreader. this isn't a one off but one of many huge trump rallieso come. robert: talking about the political strategy of the rallies and i have been following your reporting and you reflected the personal motivation in some respects for president trump ks, the desire to get out in front of his core supporters, tell me about that. josh: he has done 600 rallies and talk to his advisers, he gets energy and enthusiasm and feels like he connects with his supportersnd boosts hisoll numbers and he has been cooped up in the white house for more an 100 days and frustrated in the and sees his criticsth ing in large crowds and ready to hit the road and met with advisers and looking at his numbers and a lot of these swing

states are farow bel joe biden and ready to hit the cpaign trail and we have 137 days until the election. and if leu talk to pe around the president, they said he has to get out and do these rallies and find his supporters. this time, as you know, oklahoma is not really a swing state t him to have a national event and get his message out, so much of the last four months have been messages that he is not en for him politically and trying to be back on the offensive. erbert: onen who won't be in that crowd is former ambassador hn bolton and let's get what matters in new bock. bolton alleges in e room where it happens"and approved

imprisonning muslim minorities and this is what he said. >> i don't think he has the t competen carry out t job. principle that i was able to discern other than wt is good for his re-election. robert: the democrats have already impeached donald trump. what is their next move. h more h is offering up information and they have already impeached president trump and can't do it a second time. this is 50page bombshell. he thsaid president trump doesn't understand global affairs and saying he is intentionally using the presidency to offerfa rs from nternational leaders including author tartarian leaders and

me regards dictators. but he did not want to testify and he says if subpoenaed, he might have shown up for the peachment inquiries but government officials have gone up to the hill and didn't have o be subpoenaed. bolton are saying he is either a liar or spreading classified information and democrats are ying he didn't want to help prosecute this president. robert: can the white house stop the publication of this bo on the horse iady out of the rase barn sm the book has been distributed.some 200,000 copiesy and another 1,000 abroad. when elements of the book hit the press earlier week, it was viewed through a partisan.

reblicans are saying he is being a sensationalist and democrats are saying he was unpatriotic when he chose not to testif which strikes me as particularly damning about the aegations. if you look at them in the total of what these four-star generals have said to include jim mattis, they are saying the same thing. in their view, prident trump is ethicically unfit and unprepared for the job andhat is damming and nothing that the white house can say t undo that. robert: this is one of many tell -all books and susan i will be tuesday.wing john bolton on i know you have inrviewed john bolton for u.s.a. today.

but tell me about the significance of this book coming out. i know we have seen these books before from formerrm but why does bolton matter, if at all?he susan: is a cannotage industry. this one is diftrent. high ranking official to be writing a book aboutthe president. someone in the room not relying on sources a and guy who takes characteristic of john bolton at the u.n. and other jobs, takes a yellow legal pad and takes copious notes and others say that provided. he has republican credentials and harder for the president and his allies to dismiss the book as sawyer grapes. robert: josh, you were hustling

and making sure you got a copy of the book before anybody else and you focused on the china part of e book. what's the power of what bolton ising on china, that the president is trying to get himself in with president xi. could that be a campaign issue for vice president biden to jump on? >> you see vice president biden's campaign jumping on that. bolton says in meetings, that the president says, i want you to buy more agricultural products in a pleao help him win re-election. that has been disputed but bolton was aroundor those meetings and what the biden l campaign iely to say, bob, this president has been attackinbiden being too weak

on china. when confronted, he said i'm ok with the concentration camps and want youto win re-election and tells the chinese presiden ere is a clamoring for me to serve more than two terms and you believe john bolton and s if president trump's relationship with the chinese. robert: yamiche what do you me of senator klobuchar to pull rs f out? yamiche: based on the sources, amy has said she doesn't want to been b v.p. the idea is that amy wasn't in the running at this point and sh twas really wantingo make a statement that ma made her look gracious and very interted in the diversity.

it makes as though amy was trying to find a way, i know i'm out of the running and here's my answer and this is should fill this role. joe biden isooing t have to answer is question especiallynt in this mo and the democratic party goes to african-americans anda ican-american women who are the most loyal part of the demoatic base and says give me your vote and don't look like they are looking like the peopla th asking for. he has to rtanswer. ro let's stick with this theme. the choice for running mate will say a lot of where vice president biden's head is at. on capitol hill, congress is debating police reform and consider republicans and democrats cut through the road

block. there aredifferences. the house democrats bill and the use of chokeholds by police and g.o.p. would use federal funds to insenttivize and discourag the use of choke holds and require departments to report the use of deadly force. you see o overlapping ideas the but a different discussion in imofementation. is president trump going to lean in during a campaign season to suppo senator scott's bill and try to get geoff: will president trump do it? lily not. will the white house? are i mean kushner and markad s. civil rights advocates who have consulted with republicans and

democrats have been trying to distill their differences, the democratic aroach -- approach is on accountability and de-escalation.roach is on will democrats stop it. that is ait huge pal question, because democrats don'twant to be seen obstructing which looks like a good-faith effort on the part of republicans to do something of this issue of excessive and se cases of lethal use of force. we could have annswer to that question when the senate takes up this issue. robert: how is president trump going to movehe forward. has done the executive order, what now? josh: the president said he wo support some sort of police reform. you notice when he had the execute gorder sign last

week, he was surrounded by police officers. ands there powerful constituency that want tougher law and order who don't want some of these things among hba and supporters. whether or not as geoff said of jar odd and mark meadows, it's going be hard to know but we will see what happens at the rally and how the presidents cout and whether he seems toe trying to do something his urble rhetorical tactics. o robert: susan, wout is read? is this juxtapositioning or do you see something in th works here? san: i have a question in my mind. this is this like gun control, like sandy hook, there was impet tuesday to have gun control.

gridlock is the safe bet. but maybe there is something else going on here. you don't have toook at th polls to know there is impet tuesday in districts on police reform, you have to look what the decis by senator on. mcconnell to schedule tim scott's bill is a real shift on his part. it is a sign that republicans are feeling the heat. i think it is possibl not likely, but maybe possible, there is actually bipartisan in an election year. robert: yamiche you spoke withe amily members that have been affected by police brutality. do they feel involved enough in these discussions? yamiche: the families that i spoke to with president trump saidnthe presi while he seemed sympathetic to their story which included people

being killed by police on the camera and the president listened to those stories but they feel the president's executive order didn't go. and used plat tudes to the brother of everett palmer who died in a pennsylvania jail. the president t saidt person must have been a great person. he was a review. those families cameway the president has kind words but wer past kind words. while the president is looking at these families a not taking into consideration their ideas and qualified immunity which i aal l doctrine which shields officials from being sued of becausheir alleged conduct, the esident and white hous said this is nonstarter. these families pushed him saying you need to look into these issues and theresident didn't

budge and didn't want to be photographed with president trump and didn't want to be used as props because they think the president would vm claimed victory. the families are sensitive to the fact that the president might be interested in doing something but don't feeleike is doing something. robert: josh, jump in. josh: that is the whole cun undrum and health care and the white house is going do something at the end of the day. and i think yamiche's point is correct, no one knows how much serisness the white house is going to put behind this. the current environment continues to play for weeks and nths on end amay be forced substantive that some of the advocates and families want. but as the other panelists have

said, time will tell whether anything substantive happens here and whether the president is serious about doing something that bridges democrats and kpublicans. as youw, bob and we reportedrepublicans take the president's lead and don't want toross him particularly in an election year. senators and house members look to his tweet and public prockclamations and occur to us and whether he gives something meaningful. robert: geoff, just to finish, this is juneteenth, youd repor on the significance of actuala and black wall street, just tell me me about that a we finish this program tonight. geoff: it is interesting. we are living through a racial

awakening and transformational change. and the question is will this be the era that some of the pressure and passion can be turned into policy. and to your question about what this month, you had what was known as black wall street. it was thiseacon of black life in tulsanown as the greenwood district had black bank, black schools and savings and loan and angry white mobs attacked the city and killed 300 aican-americans and left tens of thousands homeless. but the story of ack wall street doesn't end there. because the folks in the greenwood district, they rebuilt it and that town. that is instructtive and gave me hope and the country can lrn

what happened 100 years ago. robert: i like that,op good place to leave it. that is our program and on conversa and thank you very much to our reporters. thank you all for joining us. we will keep taking y ose to the news as we can. our nversation will continue on "washington week" are extra. i'm robert costa. good night from washington. >> corrate funding for "washington week" is provided by

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