captioning sponsored by ,newshour productioc >> nawaz: good evening. tom amna nawaz. on the newshour ght, covid highs in the u.s. deaths new also spike. judy woodruff speaks with dr. anthony fauci about the troubling coronavirus surge. then, policing protesters-- federal agents in unmarked cars detain donstrators as part of the trump administration's response to protests in portland, oregon. plus, inside the surge-- we tport from arizona, where hospitalizations tns to overwhelm the state's health care system. >> it's really hard to watch people be out and about and exhibiting dangerous behaviors,

knowing that there's a good chance that i might be seeing them in my emergency department. and frany, in a week or two, i might not have room for them in my hospital. >> nawaz: and it's friday. mark shields a david brooks break down the politics around the pand the white house.for all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major fundingorbs newshour has been provided by: we offer a variety of no-

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have occred in the united states, and the virus continues to spread every day. in response today: the city of miami imposed strict enforcement of orders to wear face masks as cases surge across florida;ry miliedics gan deploying to help overwhelmed hospitals; and governors in texas california set rules allowing schools to stay completely onlinehis fall. >> woodruff: next week will mark six months since the first confirmed case of covid-19 was reported in this country, but as we just heard, much of the nation is struggling with the consequences of outbreaks and debating how to best respond. dr. anthony fauci is the head of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the n.h., and he is a member of the president's task force for dealing with covid-19n dr. fauci we welcome you. back to "newshour" we know this pandemic getting worse, more cases a surge even in the numinr of death number of states.

you have said that, yes, things could get worse. but youon't think there will need to be another national sh shutdown. what short that have do you think needs to be done? >> thank you, judy, for that question. because it is important. i would think that where we are right now, particularly in the southern states which are surging and are counting for considerable part of that now 60-70,000 new cases that we're seeing every day. is that we need t sort of i would say reboot, take a look at what.e're doing the and several of the states if you look at them some have maybe a goittle bit too quickly from one phase to another. and iuan other sons, when the leadership of the states and e cities actually directed their citizens to do it correctly, there wasn't very responsive. we've seen that when you see people congregating atbars, not wearing mask in crowds. working.t to say, this so what we've got to dos reset

you ed to pull back a bit reset. on a phase, you don't necessarily need to lockdown. but you g to dothree or four or five things that are absolutely critical, judy, because we know they work. and that is, universal wearinas of. stay away from crowds. close the bars. you appeal to the people in the ,ocal areas, close those bars they are seriously --ne of the major reasons why we're seeg it. i think if we do that for a couple of weeks in a row, judy, i think we're going to see aro turnd. because we know that that works. du woodruff: with all respect, dr. fauci the american people have been hearing that message in some places it's not working. so, are you sayi jng wet keep on with what we've been doing or somethg different needs to happen? >> no, i think it's -- i understand what yore saying judy, you make a good point. but it's been a bit spotty.

it is hasn't been uniform wher everybody says, wait a minute, we're having a serious problem. we got to reboo thi. and it isn't like some people say wear masks, others say not.o somee say bars are closed, others not. we've got to do it ross the board in knows areas. this is serious business. and wecan turit around. if i didn't think we could do it, i wouldn't be so emphatic about emasizing where we've got to do this. >> woodruff: well i know you don't like to talk about litics, but in the state of georgia, for example, where you have several mayors who have said, i want everybody in my city, they have to wear a mk. the governois saying mayors can't do that. how do you have a consistent statewide message when you haved this k of difference? >> you're right, judy. i don't t nt to volved in politics. l you can do is plead th people to be consistent and listen to what if health officials like myself, if i may, are ,saying put everything else

aside and uniformly dohe right thg. >> woodruff: even if the governor like governor of georgia is saying something >> i would appeal to tm to just not do that. again, you're right, if i get involved in politics, what happens is diverts the message. my message is, if you're doing it thisy d it's nowor working, please reconsider to be nsistent with yourmessage. >> woodruff: let me ask you a about tesng it has now -- it's w clear that there aren't enough tests. yes, they have been ramped up across t country. there are many more than months ago. with this surge, there aren't enough. what has to happen in order for there tbe enough tests in enough places for theountry to get its arms around this virus? >> we've got toet the tesn the right place at the right time. as you know we've been told by the people responsible for the tests that there are a lot of sts out there and as we get into the next weeks to months

ere could be, you know, millions of more tests. we've got to useth them in right manner. we've got to get them to the proper identification, isolation and even go beyond that, judy, to be able to wtest moreel in a more surveillance way so you can get a feel for the extent anden transof this community spread. >> woodruff: but there's ing to need to be as i understand it there needs to be pport, there needs to bend g for a number of these labs to open up. that hasn't happened yet. do you know of a solution to get is rampe up immediately? >> we've got to make sure that dots are connected, judy. when t congress with great deal of generosity gave billions offed to try to solve this problem, they gave something like $10 billion t to cdc to give to the states to do these innds of impleme. we've got make sure that it

gets well spent and that it gets done in the right way. again, we hav a problem we needo dmit it and own it but we've got to do the things that are very clear that we need to do to turn this around. remembering, we can do it. we know that when you do it properly you bring down those cases. we've done it we've done it in new york. new york got hit worse than any place in the world. and they did it correctly by doing the things that u're talking about. >> woodruff: jack scenes, you've been saying we've seen some promising develops in the last few days and weeks on vaccines. you've been saying maybe later this year, into 2021. and yet there wasau aonary word from the head of a major pharmaceutical company this week, merrck, ken frazier who is the ceo said i'm quoting here, he said, anybody who says -- hes fficials are doing a grave disservice by telling the american people there could be a

vaccine by the end rof this y because there are a wle lot of hurdle, is that yet have to be dealt with before there will be a vaccine. how do you answer that. o >> firall, i know ken, he's a good friend. and 's a good person. t ihave to disagree with him respectfully on this.n' i think that is outlandish at all, beuse what we've been doing is that we have been putting certain things in line with each other, in a way that is unprecedented. you look at the history, i don't want to spend a lot of time going in on it we've gone from the sequence of the virus, to a vaccine development program in days. we went 62from that days later to get a phase one trial going. whh you jt mentioned was publishedwo days ago and showed very robust antibody, neutralizing antibody responses that were comparable to what you see when someone recovers from infection. generally and condition is

right, generally that would take point.le of years to get to that we're already there. we're going into a phasehree trial at the end of the month candidates that will be followed sequentially. one is right, when you're dealing with vaccines, you can't guarantee things. buyou can say based on the science and the way things are going that i'm cautiously optimistic that we can meet that projection that we made, that made months ago. and that is and i'll repeat it. thatby the end of the this calendar year and beginning of 2021 i feel optimistic, nobody guarantees, but i feel op to optimistic th we will have a vaccine one or more that we can start distributing to peopl because if you look at the infections that are going on right now, in phase three tria trials, that a now starting at the end of theonth, we can get etsignal of safety and efficacy

by as we into the late fall and early winter. if we do, then by the beginning of 2021, we can have a vaccine. >> woodruff: available to hundreds of millionser of ans? >> on day one, judy, it's not go ag to e to hundreds of millions. but what we're hearing from the companies who have been given a lot of money by the federal government to do thi, is to heart making doses before you know that trial works. which means that if it works, you save months lott doesn't, you've lost a of money. so we think we can start getting doses in the beginng of021 and the companies have said, hundreds of millions much doses within that year. so it's not going tom be fy one, but it will be quick. >> woodruff: do you have a worry dr. fauci that the anti anti-vaccine movement could inteere with this timetable >> yes, i do. becae i mean, we have to admit and realize that there is an

anti--vaat movement e've had to struggle with in this country. i believe the solution to that would be be community engagement and community outreach. to get people that are trusted by the community to go tthere and explain to them the importance of not only getting engaged in the vaccine trial, but the importance of when the vaccine is shown to be safe and effective to actually take the vaccine. because it could be life saving and it certainly would be the solution to this terrible pandemic. >> woodruff: so much to ask you, dr. fauci. on of the most important things on people's minds of course is going back to school. w and i t to ask you about k-12. as you kofw secd cakes this week some said children should be back in school this fall there's even potential risk of losing federal funds, then just this afternoon the governor of californiaai, most california schools are not going

to beack in person. what are individuals, what are parents to make of this? >> you know, obviously, this is a disconcerting problem because we care so much about our children and their education. the way i look at it, judy,qu 40,000 feet default position. the default position is that you should try to the be ofour ability with all considerations to the safety and wfare of the childrennd the teachers, we should try to g the children ba to school as best as we possibly ca. with that as the framework, you've got to look throughout the untry that the level of infection is different from region toegion, state to state, county to county. counties where there's no problem. take the kids back to school, they're not in danger. in those areas where it's iffy a degree of infection, what some schoolsill do, short of justti

sh down and some authorities may decide to do that. is to do something with a little bit of creativity. maybe alterning classes. spacing of the desks. for childro can do it, wearing masks. protecting the vulnerable. so you can go from one extreme to the other. you've got to saim goingo try of my ability and if there aret issues, with activity virus, try to mitigate it by some i think ths what you're seeing as different states respond to the mandate to open schools. >> woodruff: the winter. as you probably haveeardhe city of philadelphia, the mayor has said there won't any large gatheringshrough february.rn with conbout the colder weather, what's going to happen with the coronavirus coupled with people being --aving to deal with the flu. how much worry do you have, dr

dr. fauci, that this pandemic is going to be harder to corol ce we get into the winter. i know there's the vaccine question out there. but setting vaccine aside, what about this pandemic and cold weather? >> yeah. well, first of all the thing that i hope we do successfully, judy, it would really impact greatly on the answer to yr question is that i would like to as we enter the late fall ande early winter. if you look at the curve, for many of the european countries it goes way up then it comes down. they may have had thousands of cases but their baseline is measured in tens and maybe hundreds of cases. ou baselineis in the tens of thousands. so we went up and then came down to 20,000, 20-20-20, then 30, 40, 50. my main conc in right now is want to get that curve down to a

really low level. if we go in to the late fall and winter at that asbaseline leve cases emerge, it will be infinitely easier to contain them than trying to chase them in a mitigation way. having said that, what does concern me isthat the overlap of the influenza sewion another respiratory virus. where you've got to be able to determine the difference of those two. and that's thereason why i think what we should be doi is makingure that as we get into the fall we get as many peoplein vaed as we possibly can against influenza to t to the extent psible get that off the table. >> woodrse the white h you had your first conversation with president trump we are told this week in perhaps a month or longer? you had a meeting with the wh oe house chi staff, mark meadows, but just yesterdaye

called you irresponsible for a statement you made comparing -- saying that this pandemic could be worse than the 1918 pandemic. you also haveeen attacked as you know by peter navarro the white house advisor, are you convinced that the white house is not trying to discredit you, dr. fai? >> you know, i think you got to be careful when you say the white house. the white house in general is not trying to --ai cey the president is not -- i certainly believe that mark meadows isot r navarro and editorial i can't even comment on th. that is just beyond my comprehension why he did that. but i do not believe that thee whuse is trying to discredit me, no, i don't. >> woodruff: do you think there are iividuals inhe white house who are? >> i already mentioned one. >> woodruff: mark meadows sa saying you're irrespoible for that comment? >> that was something that was

said in another interview w here could have been a misunderstanding that i was equating. so one of the thing we wanted to do was correct that, which i did in interview that i d just like yesterday, i believe. i don't think he was calling me responsible as a person. i think he was referring to hise concern that tas going to be some misunderstanding. i don't have a problem with th that. mark and i are on very good terms. >> woodruff: let me ask it this way, dr. mih oh, do you have the full back can and support of the white house from the president on down? i do. i do. i believe i do. i spoke to the present about that. i believe i do. >> woodruff: and why do you think they have been trying to lit your publi appearances? >> well, i think it's a question ofagdifferent me getting out. the real emphasis right now, you know, is on more of trying to get the country opened again and economic messages.

ink there's going to be -- yes, it varies. there are sometimes when i'm on a lot, som when i'm not. here i am with you, you know i always like to be on with you. i'm glad they said yes to that. >> woodruff: we appreciate i it. and we appreciate it. just final and quickly, dr. dr. fauci, as you project ahead in the next ,few mont you are optimistic, you're realistic, how would you describe yr ame of mind? i mean right now many americans are really worried about this. >> well, judy, you know, i am looked upon as a very realistic some may even say pessimistic, but i think it's more realistic than it is pessimistic. i'm fundamentally have a real bent of optimism in me. but we're dealing with a serious problem that i believe we can handle. that when you say, well it's a serious problem, you throw up your hands say, god, we don't

have any way of handlinit. i believe that if we hold together as a country and we do the things that i've been tal talking about in this interview with you, thawe can get our arms around this and we can turn it around. i'm convind of that. >> woodruff: dr. anthony fauci, thank you very much for joining us. >> as always, great to be with you, judy. n az: in the day's other news, u.s. supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg announced she's had a recurrence of cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy.t in a ctatement, ginsburg said the treatment has alrdy reduced lesions on her liver. s she ald she has no plans to retire. ginsburg is 87 andreviously recovered from lung and pancreatic cancers. she was briefly hospitaled this week for a possible infection. in georgia, three white men

charged with murdering unarmed black man, ahmaud arbery, pled not guilty today. police s arbery was shot and killed after the men spotted him jogging, thought hanwas a burglachased him down. it happened in february. no charges were filed until vio of the incident emerged last month. the pentagon issued a new policy today that effectively bans the confederate flag from military installatis. defense secretary mark esper said in a memo that only the american flag will be displayed, along with state, territorial and military banners. at a virtual town hall, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, said the oath that everyone in the military takes is paramount. >> going back to the oath,he idea that is america, the idea that every one of us is free and equal. remember the words of lincoln, that this is a nation conceivedd in libertyedicated to the proposition that all men-- and i would d all women-- are created equal, period, full stop. and that's what we're about.

defended the rightsplaymp has the confederate flag. in view of that, the pentagon policy ner directly mentions the flag or uses the word "ban," though it does has the same effect. the federal government has carried out its third execution this week. an iowa drug kingpin, dustin honken, died by lethal injection this afternoon aa federal prison in terre haute, indiana. he'd been convicted of killing ve people in 1993. federal executions resumed this the democratic national committee is telling members of party's national convention next month in milwaukee. an email from the d.n. cites covid-19 and says the convention will be mostly virtual, with delegates voting remotely. republicans have downsizedhei convention in jacksonville, florida, but are still planninge for tes to attend in-person. ethe democratic chair of house foreign affairs committee, eliot engel, lost his primary to a progressive challenger today the associated press declared

jamaal bowman the winner. he campaigned for racial justice and argued engel had lost touch with voters after 16 terms. the primary was june 24. it took this long to determine the winner from absentee ballots. nations across south asia are now porting mo than 220 de in monsoon flooding. nearly four million people acrossangladesh, bhutan, india, myanmar and nepal have been cut off or forced to flee in recent weeks. the devastation has submged homes and roadways across the region, leaving people like these in bangladesh increasingly desperate. >> ( translated ): we've taken shelter beside a road, and we're out of work. our children are with us, and we can't get a square meal. we don't have anything good to eat. you cannot imagine how we e geing through this. >> nawaz: forecasters in baladesh say the flooding could get worse next week as two major rivers overflow.ld 100-yearan in britain was knighted today for raising more than $40 million in pandemic relief. tom moore sought donations last spring, using his walker to lap

his garden 100 times, one for ch year of his life. his feat became a sensation, and the money poured in. today, outside windsor castle, moore leaned against his walker as queen elizabeth honored him. and with the traditional sword tap, he formly became "sir tom." and on wall street today, stocks mostly marked time as investors weighed surging covid infections against the possibility of more economic aid from congness. the dow industrial average lost 62 points to close below 26,672. the nasdaq rose 29 points. d the s&p 500 added nine and a key civil rights leader, the reverend c.t. vivian, died today in atlanta. he was a close ally of dr. martin luther king, jr., ane organized m rides across the south. he also led efforts to register bablack voters in selma, a, punched him, galvanizing the movement. in 2013, president obama

recognized reverend vivian for his decades of leadership and awarded him the presidential medal of fedom. c.t. vivian was 95 years old. >> nawaz: still to come on the newshour: federal agents detain demonstrators as part of the president's plan to stop protests. the spike in coronavirus hospitalizations threans to overwhelm arizona's health care system. mark shields and david brooks break down the week's political news, pl much more >> nawaz: state and local leaders in portland, oregon are calling deral agents sent in response to weeks of protests, to leave the city. those protests were first sparked by the police killing of george floyd. since their arrival, feral agents wearing military-style

gear, and sometimes drivingav unmarked vans,e unleashed tear gas into crowds, rounded up and detained protestors, and even shot one man in the head with a non-lethal rounjuausing seriry. thtir presence and their taccs have raisequestions about the use of federal agencies to police cities, even when local authorities thn't want them e. jonathan levinson has been reportinon allpuhis for oregon ic broadcasting, and joins me now. jonathan, welcome to the "newshour." we should point out that those protests haveen largely peace peaceful. there's been vandalism, some property damage, but you've been following this so tell me when did you first notice there were federal agents notlocal police and who do we know that those federal agents are? >> there's always federal agents at the federal cothouse. but there was an incree presence and they played a much larger role starting around july 4th, that's when sort of federal reinforcemes came from the u.s. marshal special operations group and customs and border protection, their swath

team. and that night july 4th since then been playing much more active role clearing the prote protesters off the streets. some nights right alongside portland police as you mentioned venturing away from federal properties on to the city centers in order affect arrests at time even. >> nawaz: there have been a lot of questns around whoos men are in camouflage, do we now know what agency they're from? >> just recently about an hour ago ting deputyry secre for homeland security acknowledged that itme was nd security officers doing it. and basically said that this is a tactic they use. the u.s. attorney in oregon he here, billy lliam, announced an investigation -- he requested that homeland security inspector general launch investigati into possible arrests being done without probable cse. nawaz: there's a lot of questions about their tactics

you repoed on this story. one protesters said was peacef p peacefultesting on the evening ofewel 15th, taken into custody in unmked car by armed men in camouflage. from what you've been able to report what exactly happened to pettybone? >> pettybone has been protesting couple nights a weeksince all this started on, that was wednesday night, he was protes protesting sort of festive atmosphere. at these protests some nights. this is one of those nights they were dancing, playing frisbee. thund 2:30 in the morni walked back to their car a few blocks away from where the protests are, mini van pulls up, four or five guys with rifles jump out. he id, s bean knee was pulled down over his head, they tossed him in the van. one officer held his arms above his head while they drive around a little bit then eveually he was unloaded inside a building where after he waseleased did he learn was the federal

while he was inre they searched his stuf photographed him, they read him his rights. he was under the impression that he wasdeing arres. he asked for a lawyer. and very soon after he was released they didn't give him any paperwork, they didn't givei y tion that he had been charged with anything. he still isn't sure if he's been charged with anything. >> nawaz: we should remind people as we mentioned elier that city and state officials they don't want these federal agents there. with theeen in touc agencies. what are they telling you about their presence? >> well, federal agencies sayre they here to quell -- they have called it mob olence. they have called protesters criminals. governor has said that their wresence is a provocation and that they are uted here. the mayor has said that they should stay insideeir build buildings and not come out. if they can't do that then they leave. >> nawaz: that is oregon public broadcasting jonathan levinson joiningus with the latest on t protts in

portland. >> thank you. >> nawaz: as coronirus hospitalizations and deaths around the country, arizona's downward spiral into a covid isis stands t. stephanie sy reports how if the state's residents and leaders fail to take more precautions, thgs could spin out of control >> reporter: early hopes that the extre heat would keep the valley of the sun safe from covid-19 are gone. for weeks now, the greater phoenix area has reported amonga the highes of covid positive tests of any place on the planet. at fire station 25 in phoenix, which sits in the city zip code with the most cases, about half the calls it fields these days are from suspected covid patients, and the department itself has had dozens of firefighters fall ill.

right now i really believe we're in the middle of it, or its going to keep rising. we've built everything out to a doomsday scenario of staffing. it's all hands on deht now for the phoenix fire department. >> it's gott to the point where we've truly hit >> reporter: ergency physician quinn snyder works in mesa, arizona. >> it's really hard ch people be out and about and exhibiting dangerous behaviors, knowing that there's a good chance that i might be seeinrg them in my ecy department. and frankly, in a week or two, i might not have room for them in my hospital. >> he got ck very quickly. had never seen him this ill before >> reporter: among the more than 2,500 arizonans who have now died of covid-19 is mark anthony urquiza--kristin urquiza's beloved father. she now lives in san francisco. >> at first responded really well to the treatment.

he had a positive spirit. he kept on saying, i'm going to be he next week. shortly thereafter, he stopped talking to us and i was like, mom, something's wrong. it took several hours for uso get a doctor on the phone who then shared with us-- yes. your dad's condition is deterioring and we need to put him on a ventilator. and when i heard. the wo ventilator leave the doctors mouth, i collaps and just said no no no no no >> reporter: kristen's dad died since then, she's ritical of arizona's governor doug dey handling of the pandemic. >> my dad was a supporter of the governor as well as theid prt and was following their advice.ve so whe you know, i would call himnd say, dad, this is still a crisis. we's not safe to be out there. his response was, kristen,wo whd the governor say it was safe if it wasn't safe? >> reporter: how do you think w got to tint in arizona? >> i think mistakes were made at

many points in the pandemic. the governor and the director of azy d.h.s. decided to lift those restrictions in mid-may against the advice of the medical community at large. including myself, i felt like it was it was a bad idea. ernor ducey: g lifted the more than month-long stay at home order in early may - one day fore a vity president trump to arizona, the governor announced an accelerad plan to reopen businesses including restaurant dining rooms. at the same time the act of wearing masks was becoming highly politicized. a rally of anti-mask protesters took pce in phoenix on july 4. last month, a scottsdale city councilman guy phillips had this moment: >> i can't breathe >> reporter: the councilman en dramatically takes his mask off in indignation. >> insanity >> i want to see every azonan wear a mask. >> reporter: even ough the

governor has not implemented a statewide mask mandate, het pointed is week that nearly 90% of arizona communities now have local mask ordinances. >> there's strength in numbers, the more numbers that are making the better decisions, thl better off wel be. >> reporter: corey woods is the new mayor of tempe, recently recovered from a mild case of thvid. he wants to stre local enforcement of mask wearing in hifirst days in office. >> when it comes to masks and social distancing and other things that we've taed about, we're not trying to harass, you know, and frustrate res who want to spend money in our local economy.e' what trying to do is to really stop the spread of covid- 19 and prevent a second shutdown. >> reporter: as cases began to surge last month, the governor re-closed bars, nightclubs, and gyms. estaurants can still oper their dining rooms, but at half capacity. >> there have bese folks like that have really begun to press the governor and say, look, we have to talk about

maybe going to outside dining only. the reality is just we do knowre than we did two or three months ago. >> reporter: but dozens of businesses, including this chain gyms are defying state orders and suing to stay open.e >>e not the cause of the coronavirus spike. period. >> reporter: dr. quinn snyder cautions that if pre-pandemic life is allowed to continue, the virus will wipe them out. >> there's this continuing faacy that i find among the leadership in many states across america and certainly in arizona, and that people think that you can somehow bluff this virus. this virus doesn't care abs.t your feeli this virus doesn't care about your biness. we are going to lose if we continue to try to fix thesi fixing the pubc crisis. >> reporter: meanwhile as arizona tries to gain a handit on thetion, demand for testing has skyrocketed with

people waiting in line for hours in triple digit heat. >> shoot, it's been like 6 houro >> reporter: besides the long lines for drive through tests, some clinics require referrals and people without sympts are having a hard time getting appotments. without enough testing and quick results, it's impossible to figure out who has been infected and should be quarantined,ci esly because many covid- infected people may not show symptoms but may be contagious. will humble is the former arizona state health director. >> if the laboratory test comes back seven to eight days later, which has been the trend recently, then your contactnd tracers are g the case after they've already begun to recover and exposed people in the workplace and in their personal lives. >> reporter: the federalgo rnment stepped in this week to add testing capacity. hundreds of nurses from out of state have been contracted to staff the packed hospitals.'s but for many, oo late. >> reporter: 42-year-old ricardo

children caught ths - and young his parents are still sick. >> so ere did we get it? i have no idea. but i do blame the govement for e new cases that are happening because arizona is the .mber one hotspot right n the governor is not doing his part, from my point of view. >> reporter: kristin urquiza agrees. king out has really been oxygen to my purpose to continue to fight for my dad. decisions have real life impacts. my dad's life mattered. and this, i believe, could have been prevented. urquiza lived in maryvale, a predominately minority area in phoenix that has borne a disproportionateost in lives and livelihoods in the pandemic. he was laid to rest on july 8. for the pbs newshour, i'm stephanie sy, in phoenix.

>> nawaz: now we tu to the political analysis of shields and brooks.yn that'scated comnist mark shields d new york times columnist david brooks.ac welcometo you both. and mark, very special welcome back to you we're glad to see you again. want to start with you. we ard d fauci tell judy he believes he has the full backing of the white hse from the president on down. when you look back at the ek and the criticms and white house officials were lobbing at dr. fauci, whawere you thinking? >> i was thinking, he's a remarkable -- he's a public treasure.dy somewho is so large that he doesn't personalize criticism sniping from the white house. obviously is both jealouand upset with his candissess assessment. he has exceptional ability to exain the mysteries of disease

and medicine to americans, ordinary americans includeing that one. and do so at unvnished and just brave way. >> nawaz: david, i got to ask you the president's criticism, and other white house officiics' crm of dr. fauci, lk of led to criticism of president's trump from his own party. we've now heard outright defense of fauci and criticism of the president frorm sena mitt romney, liz cheney, that scathing op-erom maryland governor larry hogan, what does all of edthat open cr seek from senior republicans officials say to you now? >> there are couple of gigantic surfs that explain what's going on. one is the curve of the daily infection that is like,zoom, up to 77,s000 new ca a day now. the other curve is of trump approval that's zoomed down. the third curve is republicanpa

y i.d., if you look at the numbers in january of this year, if youask people what party do you lean toward. it was 49% reblican and 47% democrats. now it's 50 point democrat, 39 publican. mocrats have 11 point party i.d. lead. that is just a monumental shift that doesn't happen very often. and republicans are seeing tte and theyghtly fan i ca canning. sey are rationally panicking what is what theuld be doing. there for the criticism. >> nawaz: mark,peakin of shifts over time, point to you some recent poll numbers from the "washington st" and ab news showing that regardless of what's happening in the party,um president is losing some support among core parts of his coalion from back in 2016 among white angelicals support has dropped 16 points now at 68% among white men without college degrees, down to 56%.on rural residents it's down

to 48% that is 11-ntp drop. do you look at there's numbers see those as signs of trouble for e president? >> oh, sure. make no mistake about ite. consistent cadre of support rather remarkable. one of the most prominent and respected republicans said to me today, voters are just -- trump supporter, said voters are just they're exhausted. they're tired of the sch. they're tired of the melodrama. they're looking for calm and emotional. as of today, j biden is the one o the two who fills that bill., >> nawaz: davhat do you make of that speaking of biden what does all this mean for him? it ses the campaign is very much steady as she goes, even as we've seen chaos i the trump campaign. including a campaign shake up, right, at theop very there was ousting of the campaign manager

r the elevation of bill s,tepi s,tepian now running the could pain, what doe that meannor biden? >> biden is running undeed underappreciampaign, very good campaign. they are keeping him somewhat under wraps but keeping him in the news. he's focused his campaign at least a parcel his campaign on the white working class. that is a class he emerges from, ,t's 44% of the electorate whites without a college degree. this is a very important part of the republican base. that is the republican base. trump beat clint by 28%. but biden is able to speak to this group. he doesn't frankly offend thisin group by frankly a coastal elitist, the two financial he sends mon directly, i hadeek, chance withfew other to interview him he talked about manufacturing over and over agn. getting our industrial economy going aga the people would be hired would

be afran americans and members of this group. and so he's ngrectly talk straight at them. if he can take the white working class awe from publicans then he's recreated the new deal coalition and realigned our politics. >> nawaz: mark, what do you idmake of the way that has been messaging and laying out these new policy proposals. we know that there persists that enthusiasm gap when you look at the numbers, right, more people are saying that their enthusiastic about supporting mr. trump an say they're enthusiastic about supporting biden. is what he'sng d enough and sustainable through november? >> first of all, i standon correcteoe biden. he finished a wea fifth in iow iowa, a weak fifth in new hampshire. he was given up for dead by many of us i think probably yours truly included went on to w in south carolina and sweep the nomination witht ever

onpromising and capitulati thehiny objects of medicare for all and whatever else he had of going against that. i think as we look at it right now, donald trump, voters have ally made up their mind about him. the five polls, national polls this month donald trump is 37, 39, 40, 41 and 40. they made up tir mind they don't want donald trump. for anotherterm. and i think joe biden isvery were in the position thatonald reagan was in 1980. voters decided very close race between jimmy carter and ronald rage voters have decided they didn't want cater back but had doubts. that one debate, ronald rgan put those doubts to res by showing that he was nonthreatening, didn't want to start world war iii was a reasonable person. quite bluntly tha is what joe

biden has to do. he can win by not being donald trum but he can win real victory being decisive and effective in the debate. those debates are going to be the only timeoihat there's to be really a major event involvingathe two cand all year. we're not going to have the rallies and the band wagons and the bandsnd balloons. this is ing to be it. i would -- peter hart said spenh e hours every day just preparing and repairing mpand ing and getting his story down. because that will be ttest. >> nawaz: david, do you agree atth th the next few months are not going to look like any other last few months leading up to a general election. do you think those numbers for president trump will hold given that we have no idea what will happen wh the pandemic next? >> i don't see how they turn around. there must be a way. they may tighten, i don't know e future. i just don't see an occasion. i agree with mark, the american

public has made up their mind. but who knows. you would no want t bet that much money on trump reelection right now. as for biden in our conversati, conversatiinterviewed him many times over the last 20 years, and biden i heard speak this week the same guy that i've been interviewing this whole the idea that he a step, if so, was not evident in our conversation. i do think i'm admiring the way he's running the campaign. the economic populism message, is the right way to go. and as mark saysis, he ot done the thing that would offend middle of the electorate. even this week he said i'm not for defundingthpolice. i'm for increasing fund knowledge for the police. that is by far majority position in this country. by far majority position in the democrat party. so running a campaign i would prepare for the debates as mark says, because i hadn't thought about it, that is the only possible turning point that we're going to probably see. >> nawaz: beforewh we know

happens in november, feels like a long time away mark i have to ask you about some election results we do already have. and can talk about. we saw jeffss ns lose in alabama this week in maine, sarah gidian now the candidate running against republican susan collins. that is a race that you have been following. what do you think will happen and what do you think that means? years in the united states 24 senate she suived all sorts of problems in that state. but i think this year shen trouble. she's tied to donald trump. even though she has established an independent record over the years, she's very much tied i think in voters' minds, she will run better than dumald in maine. if donald trump loses maine, decisively susan collins is in trouble. as far as jeff sessions is concerned he was dond trump real without the meanness before trump on immigration, on trade.

and becae he took that one stand of recusing himself he mee be donald trump life long enemy. trump exact the his pound of flesh. he ended his career. in alabama. and it shows trump'sloutith republican voters in alaba, ma no mistake about it. >> nawaz: david, what abouten you ou look at the results we have this week, what messages do they hd for what we could see down the line? >> the sessions ratesroves why republicans are walking into their doom. they have no good options. if they defectum from they lose their people. if they don't they lose the rest of the country. ensues ancollins' case she won like 69% of the votes six years ago. but times have changed. her approvals are waynown i the upper 30s in one poll i saw. peop want chae. we saw that in the engle race, we see it, people are disgusted with t wayhe country i being run right now.

republican, like moderate democrat just not a great place to be right now, i say that with some evident sadness. >> nawaz: before we go i htoe ask you about another story about absentee bowl played a much bigger role in the primary elections this year, amidde pc probably continue to be through the general eltion. reports about tens of thousands of absentee ballots o mailed being rejected so far how big an issue do you think this is going t what kind of impact do you think it could have moving forward? >> it's a major issue. think about new york. the empire state they voted june 23rd. we just got the results today. you're rht, people are unfamiliar with voting by mail. weave a national pandemic, we have to ve obligation as a nation to make it possnd easy for people to vote. that theird.ote is counte

i really think every state, every office holder s that responsibility. certainly every governor and i think it's obvious that trump campaign is not ierested in a huge turn out but i really don't think they will be able to stop it this year. the enthusiasm is higher rig now than ias been in october of past presidential years and. the intere i think we're going to have enormous turn out. >> nawaz: we do not yet know and lot of questions especially brooks, mark r mark shields,ooks od to talk to you at the end of this particular week. thanks to both of you, please stay safe. >> thank >> nawaz: as we discusseor tonight, theavirus pandemic continues to devastate communities and has taken a toll

on countless famils. we now take a moment to rememb some of the lives lost. >> nawaz: lloyd cornelius porter was gregarious, entertaining, and loving. his brother said he carried the spirit of their mother, a minister, by uniting people in his brooklyn neighborhood cafes. lloyd welcomed the customers, and his wife hillary cooked. also a professional actor, his family said lloyd's sparkle, wit, and artistic qualities came through in his 11-year-old daughter, maclemore. lloyd was 49 yea old. maima darbah fahnbulleh's work in public service spanned five decades and several countries. she was an advocate for those with disabilities in liberia and helped establish the first women's resource center in grenada. she moved to the u.s. and eventually settled in new york. after she was agnosed with parkinson's in 2014, maima became a self-advocate, proudly

participating in the city's annual unity walks. a dedicated mother and f grandmother, hily said she was ambitious and resilient, always holdi her head high i the face of adversity. maima was 73. devoted to her career as a was pharmacist in arizona. while studying in tucson, patricia, or patty, met her husband ted, a pharmacy technician in the air force.as ted said patty patient and understanding mother to their five children, incding three sons who followed in their footsteps and found work in the pharmaceutical industry. ted called patty his best friend; thoughtful, cheerful, and loved everyone. they would have celebrated 40 years of marriage this yr. brian miller was blind for most of his life, but he refused to let that hold him back. through his work at the department of riucation and s advocacy groups in the waington, d.c. area, he helped institute policies to aid the blind.

brian's mom said he had great energy and a lmue for history, c and travel. thatncluded his plan to visitt 100 differuntries in his lifetime. he made it to 65. brian was 52 years old. 28-year-old james simpson was a natural at connecting withot rs. his family called him a gentle giant, with a smile anenergy that could light up a room. growing up in ster care inme sacramento, developed a passion for helping young people. r served as a camp counse and mentored other fostered teens. after moving to washingt, in began counseling youth at a mental health facility. those who knew him said despite life's challenges, james was selfless and always positive. friends and family sharing their stories with us. that is e "newshour" for night.

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