funding for this program is possible by contributions to like you.from viewers thank you. >> woodruff: good evening, the i am judy woodruff and welcome to the "pbs newshour" special uninterrupted coverage of the only vice presidential debate of this 2020 election. in just few moments vice president mike pence and california senator kamala harris will be on the stage at kingsbury hall on the campus of the university of utah in salt lake city. pence has served under president trp for almost four years, senator harris has made history by being the first woman of

color to be nominated by a major political party to serve as vice president. they meet at a time of max upheaval in the president trump tested positive for the coronavirus just two days aftera his last week with former vice president joe biden. a debate in which the president made headlines for his aggressive approach repeatedly interrupting biden and the moderator. both the pence and harris camps say they have tested negative for covid but because of theen press diagnosis additional social distancing rules have been instituted for this debate. athe request of the biden harris campaign.ba plexiglariers have been placed between candidates who will be seated, tonight'sis moderatousan page of usa today. i am in ourwshour studio, our report search, and analysts will join us remotely so we can stay samiche alcindor, and

congressional correspondent lisa desjardins who is covering the biden campaign. senior national correspondent a na nawaz who will be watching the debate with lf a dozen voters linked in virtually from around the country. plus amy walter of the cook political report along with "washington post" coumnist jonathan capehart, and eliana johnson, editor in chief of the washington freebie con and i welcome all of you to our coverage tckight. a quord first from yamiche and lisa, yamiche, what is the trump campaign hoping comes from this debate with the vice president? >> well, the vice president is going to be delivering not a more brash defense of the trump administration but she going to be divering a verydefense, a very point, poignant defense of that he is the head of the coronavirus task force so talk a lot about what they think they did right and alsgoing to be maki the point the black livestt protesters is out of hand, african-american business owners whose business was

picture and destroyed during the protests after george floyd's death. >> woodruff: and, lisa, what about the biden harris what are they looking for? >> .. the biden campaign is trying to manage expectations today saying pence can be a vy smooth operator when it comes to delivery, but, you know, harris has mre recent debate experience and what the biden campaign is hoping shebe able to personally connect tonight. >> woodruff: i think a lot of us will beoatching to see hw this debate differs from the debate we saw last week when it was in some words awn smack between the president and joe biden. derator susan page is on the stage. he is about to introduce the candidoes. let's go susan. >> good evening. from the university of utah in salt lake city, welcome to the first andy onlce presidential debate of 2020. sponred by the nonpartisan commission on presidential debates. i am a susan page of usa today. it is my on for to moderate this

debate, an important part of our democracy. in kingsbury hall tonight we have a small and socially distant audience and we have taken extra precautions during this pandemic. among other things, everyone in the audience is required to wear a face mask and the candidates will be seated 12 feet apart. the audience is enthusiastic about their candidates but they have agreed to express that thusiasm only twice, at the end of the debate and now when i introduce the candidates. please welcome california senator kamala harris and vice president mike pence. [ applause ] >> >> thank you.

>> senator harris and vice president pence, tha for being here. we are meeting as president ump and the first ly continue to undergo treatment in washington after testing positive for cvid-19. we send our thoughts and prayers to them for their rapid and complete recovery andor the recovery of everyone afflicted by the conavirus. the two campaigns and the commison on presidential debates have agreed to the r groues for tonight. i am here to enforceem. on behalf of the millions of americans who are watching. one note, no one in eitherai ca or at the commission or anywhere else have been told int advance opics are raised or what questions i will ask0 . thisnute debate will be about ten minutesh.egments of i will begin a segment by posing a question to each of you, sometimes the same on sometimes a different question on the same topic. you wiml then have twutes

to answer without interruption bye fo other candidate. then we will take six minutes or so to discuss the issue. at that point, although there will always be mor, e to say will move on to the next topic. we want tha debat is lively, but americans also deserve asi disc that is civil these are tumultuous times but wcan and will have a respectful facing our nation. big issues let's begin with the ongoing pandemic tt has cost our country so much. serrtor ha, the coronavirus is not under control. over the past week, johns hopkins reports that 39 states have had more covid cases over the past sen days than in the week before. nine states have set new records records. if a vaccine is released soon the next adioinistrwill face hard choices. what would abide den ministration in january and

february that a trump administration wouldn't do would you impose new lockdowns for businesses and schools in hotspots, a federal mandate to wear masks? you have two-minute to respond without interruption. >> thank you, susan. well, the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country. and here are the facts 210,0 o dead people r country. it is the last in the last several months, ove people have contracted this disease. one in five businesses clwesed. are looking at frontline workers who have beentreated like sacrificial workers. we are looking at over 30 million people who in the last seeral months had to file for unemployment and here is the thing. on january 28th the vice

informed about theure ofent were this pandemic. they were informed that it is lethal in consequence, that it is airborne, that it will affect young people and thaut it wold be contracted because it is aiorne. and they knew what wpe hapng and they didn't tell you. can you imane if you knew on january 28th as opposed to march 13th what they hugh, what you might have done to prepare? they kneand they covered it up. the president said it was a m hoax, theyinimized the seriousness of it. the president said you areon one side of this ledger on the mask and on the other side of the ledger if you don't. and in spite ol of that today they still don't have a plan. they still don't have a plan, plan is about whaeed to doour around the national strategy for contactracing for testing, for

administration of the vaccine and making sure t what l be free-for-all. that is the plan that joe biden has and that i have, knowing th we have to get ahold of what has been going on and we need to save our country and joe biden is the best leader to do that and frankly this administration has forfeited their right to reelection based on this. thank you, senator harris. vice president pence, more than 210,000 americans have died of covid since february, thu.s. death toll as a percentage of our population is higher than that of almost every othern wealthy nation earth. for instance, our death rate is two and a half times that of canada next door. youyou head the administration's coronavirus task force. percentage of our populations a higher than that of almost every other wealthy country? and you have two minutes to respond without interruption. >>san, thank you and i want to thank the commission and the university of utah for hosting

this event and senator harris, it is ale privi to be on the our nation has goe through a very challenging time this yer but i want the american people to know 0 that from the very first day president donald trump has put the health of americans first. before there were for than five cases in the united states, allp who had returned from china, president donald trump td what no oher american president had ever done, and that was jesus expended all travel frm china, the second largest economy in the world. now, senator joe biden opposedci that don he said it was company phobic andy hsterical, i can tell you having led the coronavirus task force thatci on alone by president trump bought us invaluable time national mobion sinceest world war ii and i believe it saved hundreds of thousands ofic

am lives, because with that time we were able to reinvent testing forn tha 150 million tests have been done to date. we were able to see to the o delivebillions of supplies so our doctorsnd nurses had the resources for what they needed, and we began really before the month of february to, to develop a vaccine and medicines and therapeutics and g savings sag livves all along the way and operation warp. warp speed wbelieve will have literally tens of millions of doses of vaccine before the end r. this ye the reality is when you look at the biden plan it reads an awful lot li pke whatsident trump and i and our task force have been doing every step of the way. quite frankly, when i look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new ppe, developing a vaccine, it looks a little bit like plagiarism which is something joe bideknows a little bit about. i think the american people know that this is a president who ha put -- >> thank you.

>> put america first and the wiamerican people i believh my heart can be proud of the sack a nices they have made tha saved countless american lives. >> thank you, senator harris would you like to repond? >> absolutely. whatever the vice president is claiming the administration has done, clearly it hasn't worked. when you are looking at over 210,000 dead bodies in our country. american lives, that have been lost, families that are grieving that loss. e viceth, you know, th president is the head of the task force, and knew on january 28th how serious this was and then thanks to bob woodward, we learned that they knew about it and then when that was exp posed the viceresident said, when asked, well why didn't you all tell anybod h said because the president wanted people to remain calm. >> well, let's -- >> susan, this is important. >> and i want to -- >> mr. vice president, i am speaking. >> i have the

>> 15 more seconds and give the vice president a chance. >> i want to ask the american people how calm were youyo when were panicked about when you were going to get your next rolf oilet paper, how calm were you when your kids were sent back to school and you didn't w knn you were going to go back. how calm were you when your children couldn't see your parents because you were afraid they would kill them.'s >> let give vice president pence a chance to respons >> there isn't a day that has gone by i don't think of the americans that have lost family and you will always be in you ir hearts and prayers but whewhyou sa the american people have done over the last eight months hasn't worked that's a great disservice to the sacrifices the american people have made. the reality, if i may finish, the realy is, dr. fauci said, everything that he told the president in the oval office the president told the amenri people. now, president trump i will tell you has boundless confidence in the americ always spoke with confidence wee

would get through this together but when you say it hn't worked, when dr. fauci and dr. birx and our 0 medicals expeme to us in the second week of march, they said if the president didn't take the unprecedented step of the shutting down roughly half of the amecan economy, that we could lose 2.2 million americans, and that is theit re >> thank you. >> they also said if we did everything right, susan, we could still lose more than 200,000 americans. >> vice president pence -- >> and a life lost is too many, susan, but the american people i believe desee credit for the sacrifices that they have made putting the health of their mily and their neighbors first, our doctors our nurses our first responders. >> thk you, vice president pence. >> and i will speak up on behalf of what the american people have done. >> vbs pence you were in the front row of what has been a super spreader event for senior i don't think natural, no social distancing, few masks, and now a cluster of coronavirus cases among those who were thereho

can you expect americans to ow the administration' safety guidelines to protect themselves from covid when you at the white house have not been wedoing so? >>l, the american people have demonstrated over the last eight a months when given the cts they are willing to put the health of their neighbors and families and neighbors andop they don't even know first. the president and i have greidat coce in the american people and their ability to take that iormation and put it into practice. in the height of the epidemic when we were losing a heartbreaking number of 2,500 resources to new jersey and new york and new orleans and detroit, we toic the amer people what neded to be done end the american people made the sacrifices with utbreak of the sunbelt happened this summer, again, americans steppe. forw but the reality is the work of the president of the united states goes on, vacancy on the

supreme court of the united states has come upon us and the president introduned judge amy barrett a -- >> thank you, vice president. >> if i may say, that tha rose garden event, a great deal of speculation about it, mwife karen and i were with there and honored to be there. event, susan, actually were tha tested for coronavirus and it was an outdooevent which all of our scientists regurly routinely advise. the difference here is, president trump and i the in the best interests of their health, joe biden and kamala harris consistently talk about mandates and not just mandates with the coronavirus but government takeover ofth here. >> thank you. >> green new deal, all government control, we are about freedom and respecting thedo frof the american people. >> let's talk about aren'ting the american people. you respect the american peoplet when yol them the truth and you respect the merican people when you he the courage. >> which we have always done.ea >> sng of those things that you may not want people to hear

but they need to hear sothey can protect themselves. but this administration stoodon information that if you had as a parent, if you had as a workerin knyou didn't have enough money saved up and now you are standing in aod line because of the ineptitude of an ministration that was unwilling to speak the truth to the american people. so let's talk abt caring about the american people, the american people have had crto ice far too much because of the incompetence of this administrationoo it is askinguch of the people. >> susan we talked about. >> is asking too much of pee le that they would not be equipped with the information ntey need to help themselves to protect their paand their children. >> kamala harris, senator harris, i mean, i am sorry. >> that's fe. i am kamala. >> you are senator harris to me. 0 i wofld like to, for lie to get back to form 0 maldr. fauci and other experts say most of the people who can be vaccinated need to be vaccinated, but half of amerins now say they

wouldn't take a vaccine if it it was releasedf the trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should americans take it and would you take it? >> if the public health professionals, if dr. fauci, if the doctors tell us we should taket i will be the first in line to take it, absolutely, but if donald trump tells should take it i am not taking it. >> vice presidenpence, there have beea lot of reper kugs from this pandec, in recent days the president's diagnosis of covid-19 has underscored the impoance of the job that yo hold and that you that you are g that's our second topic tonight, the itis role of the vice pryoident. one ofwill make history on january 20th, you will be the vice president to the oldest president the united states has ever had. donald trump will be 74 years old on inauguration date, joe that already ha raised concerns amongst some voters, concerned

that have been sharpened by president trump'sn hospitalizat recent days. vice president pence, have you had the conversation or reached an areement with president trump about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability? and if not, do you think you should? you have two minithout interruption. >> well, susan, thank you, although i would like to go back. >> i think need move on. >> well, thank you but i would like to go back. because the reality is that we are going to have a advantaga seen, senator, in record time, in unheard of time, iless n a year. we have five companies in phase 3 clinical trials, and we arrie t now producing tens of millions of dose es, so ct that you continue to underminen public cdence in a vaccine, if a vaccine emerges during the trump administration i think it is unconscionable and support i just ask you, stop playing

the reality is that we will have a vaccine, we believe, before the end of this year and it will have the capacity to saveca countless amelives and your continue yous undermining of the condence in a vaccine is just, it is just unacceptable.t and also say, you know, the reality is when you talk about ilure in this administration, we actually do know what failure looks like in pandemic. it was 2009, the swine flu arrived in the united states, thankfully it was, ended up not being as lethal as the coronavirus, but before the end of the ye when joe biden was vice president of the united states, not sevenacilitate million people contracted the swine flu, a 60 million americans contracted the swine flu. if the swine flu had been as lethal as the coronavirus, in 20nine, when joe biden was

president, we would havelost 2 million american lives. his own chief of staff, ron cline would say last year that it was pure luck that theyid, quote, everything possible wro and we learned from that. they left the national strategic stock pile empty and left an empty and hollow plan, but we still learned from it and i think --en >> vice prespence your time is us up. >> and i will say again. >> vice president your time is unt rstand. >> w have done and senator, please stop undermining seen.dce in a advantage a >> senator harris, let me ask asked vice presidece, that i which is, ve you had a conversation or reached an agreement with vice president biden about safeguards or procedes when it comes to th issue of presidential disability? and if not, and if you win the election next monyo do you think should 0? you have two-minute uninterrupted. >> so t me tell first of all, the day i got the call from joe biden, it was actually a

thom call, asking me to serve with him ois ticket was probably one of the most memorable days of my life. you know, i thought about my moer, who came to the unit states at the age of 19 and gave birth to me at the age of 25 at keyser hospital incalifornia and the thought i would be sitting here right now, i know would make her proud. she must be looking down onhis this. joe and i were raised in a very similar way, we re raiseth values that are about hard work, about the central and thedi ity of public service, and about the importance of fighting for theignity of a people and i think joe asked me to serve with him becau i have a career that included being elected the first woman distric attorney on san francisco where i created models of innovatio for law enforcement in terms of reform of the criminal justice system.

i was elected the first woman of color and black woman to be elected attorney general of lie state of crnia, where i ran the second largest department of justice in the united states, second only to the united states department of justice. and from there i took on everything from transnational criminal organizations to the big banks that were takinge advantf homeowners to for profit colleges that were takint ade of veterans. and then of course now i serve in the united states senate as only the second plaque woman ever elected to the united i serve on the senate intelligence committee where i have been in regular recei of classified information about threats to our nation and d,hotspots around the wo have traveled the world and i have met with our soldiers and in war zones and i think joe has asked me to serve with him because he knows that we share, we share a purpose whh is about lifting up the american people and after the four years that we have seen of donald trump unifyi our country around our common values and principles. >> tnk you, senator harris,

neither president trump nor vice president biden has released a detailed health information that have become the modern norm until the 2016 election. and in recent days presidentct trump's rs have given misleading answers or refused to answer basic queions about his health and my question to each of you in turn is, is this information voters deserve to know? vice president pence, would you li to go first? >> well, susan, thank you. and let me say on behalf of the president in te -- and the first lady how moved we have all been by the outpouring of prayers and concern for the president and i do believe it is emblematic of the prayers and the concern that have ushered forth for every amecan impacted by the coronavirus. but the care theresident received at walter reed hospital, white hous edoctors wasxceptional and the transparency that they practiced all along the way will continue,

the american people have a right to know about the health and well-being of the their president and will continue to do that. but i am just extremely grateful and was more than a little moved by the brodad bipartisan support of, senator, i want to thank you you and joe biden f your 0 expressions, genuine concern and i also want to congratulate you as i did on that phone call on the his 0 storying nature of your nomination. >> thank you. >> pi never exected to be on this stage four years ago so i know the feeling, but the reality is we have got an electi before the america people in the midst of this challenging year and the steaks have never been higher.ha >> you, thank you, vice president pence, i want to give senator harris a chance to respond the same question i asked, which is do voters have a right to know more detailed health information about presidential candidates and especially about presidents,

especially when they are facingc this kind llenge? >> absolutely and that's why joe biden has been so incredibly transparent and certainly in contrast the president h not. both in terms of health records but also let's look attacks. we now know because of greativ investig journalism that donald trump paid $750 in taxes when i first heard about it, i literally said you may $750,00 and it was like, no, $750. we now know donald trump owes and is in debt for $400 million and just so everyone is clear, when we say inebt, it means you owe money to somebodbe and it woulreally good to know who the president of the united stndates, the com in chief owes money to, because the american people have a right to know w influencing the president's decisions, and is he theing those decisions on best interests of the american

people, for you, or self-interest? so susan i am ad you asked about transparency because i has to be across the board. joe has been incredibly transparent over manyy, man years. the one thing we all know about joe, he puts it all out there. is honest, he is forthright, but donald trump on theer oth hand is about covering up everything. >> thank you, senator harris. want to giveou a chance to respond, vice president. >> well look i respect the factn that joe bpent 47 years in public life, i respect yourvi public s as well. >> thank you. >> the american people have aid prt who is auinessman, he is a job creator, she paid tens of millions of dollars a in taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes,e created tens of thousands of american jobs and the president sd those public reports are not accurate and thd prt also released literally stacks of financial disclosures, the american pe can review, just as the law

allows, but thes dinction here is that swoab four 47 years in c service compared to presint nald trump who brought all of that experience four years ago and turned this economy around by cutting taxes, rolling back regulation and energy and fighting for free and fair trade and -- will be lost if joe biden and kamala harris. >> this a good segue into our third topic about the economy. this has been another aspect of life for americans, it has been so affected by this coronavirus. we have a jobs crisis brewing. on friday we learned that the unemployment re had declined to 7.9 percent in september, but the job growthethis wasfore the latest round of layoffs and furloughs in the airline industry and disney and elsewhere, hundreds of thousands a of discouraged wor versus stopped looking for work, nearly 11 million jobs that existed at the beginning of the year haven't been replaced. those hardest hit include lahti

the, blacks and women. senator harris, the biden-harris campaign proposed new programs to boost the economy an would pay for 0 thatew spending by raising $4 tllion in taxes on wealthy individuals and socorporations. economists warn that could curb entrepreneurial ventures that fuel growth and create jobs. would raising taxes put the recovery at risk? and you have two minutes to answer uninterrupted. >> thank you. >> on the issue of th economy, i think there couldn't be a more donald trump and joe biden.bi jon believes you measure the health and strength of heerica's economy based on health and the strength of the ameran worker and the american family. on the other hd, you have donald trump who measures the strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing, with situate why he passed a tabi benefiting the top one percent

and the biggest corporations of america, leading to a $2 trillion deficit that the american people now have to pay for. on day onbie, joen will repeal that tax bill and get rid of it and what will do wit the money is invest it in the american people, and through a plan that is about investing in drawer, it is somhing that donald trump said he would do, i remember hearing about some lawyer which i don't think ever happened but joe biden will do that. he will invest in lawyer. it is abuout upgradingroads and bridges but also investing in clean energy and renewable energy, joe is going to invest that money in what we need todo around innovation. there was a time when our country believedin science and invested in research and development so that we were in an innovation leader on the nobody. invest in education.hat money to so for example, for folks who want to go to a two-year community college it will be plea, if you come from a family that mak less than $125,000,

you will go to a public university ofree and across the board we will make sure that if you have student loan t it is cut by $10,000. that is how voab thinks about investing in the p of ourt country as opposed to passing a tax bill whichad the befit of letting american rporations gooffshore to do their business. or harris.ou, sen >> vice president pence your administration has been predicting a rampant and robust recovery, but the latest economic report suggests that is not happening. should americans be braced for an mick comeback that is going to take not months but a year or more? you have two minutes to answer unintedeupted. >> pre trump and i took office, when we took office america has gonh e throe lowest economic recovery since the great depression, joe bidenb and presideack obama tried to tax, despite what senator

harris says, the average american family of four had $2,000 in savings in taxings in taxes. in the rise in wages that occurred, mostredominantly for blue collar, hardworking americans, the average househola income ffamily of four increased by $4,000 following president trmp's tax cuts, but america you just heard senator ariss tellou on day one, joe biden is going raise your 0 taxes. it is really remarkable tous think,, i i mean, right after a time where we are going through a pandemic that lost 22 million jobs, we have already added back 11 .6 million jobs, because we had a president who cut tabs, rolleck regulation, unleash american energy, fought for free and fai trd secured $4 trillion from the congress of thest unitd es to give direct payments to families, save million jobs through the paycheck otection program. we literally spared no expense to help the american people and the american worker through

this. joe biden and kama harris want to raise taxes, they wa to bury our economy under a $2 triion green new deal which you are one of the original cosponsors of in th united states senat they want to olish fossil fuels and ban fracing which would cause hundreds of thousands of american jobs allhe acrossheartland and joe biden wants to go back to the economic surrender to chiwhna tt we took office 0 half of our international trade deficit was with with china alone, and joe biden wantso repeal all of the tariffs that president trump put into effect to fight for american jobs and american workers. joe biden says democracy is on the ballot, make mistake about it, susan, the american economy, the american comeback is on the ballot, with power more years of growth andit opportand four more years of president donald trump, 2021 economic year in the history of this country. >> thank you, vice president pence. senator harris. >> i mean, we saw enough of it in last week's debate but i

thinthis is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth and the truth and the fact is joe biden has beevery clear he will not raise tabs on anybody who makes less than $400,000. >> he said he will repl the trump tax cuts. >> mr. vice president i am a speaking. >> well -- >> i am speaking. >> if you say it is important the truth, joe biden said twice the-last week he is going to repeal the trump tax cuts. that was tax cuts e that gavthe average working family $2,000 in a tax brek every single year. senator. >> that is absolutely not true. that is -- >> is he only going to repeal part of the trump tax cuts? >> if you don't mind lettinge finish wcan have a conversation. okay? >> please. >> okay. joe biden will not raise tabs oa anyone whos less than $400,000 a year, he has been very clear about that. joe biden wl not end fracing, he he has been very clear about that. joe biden is the one who during the great recession wasre

onsible for the recovery act that brought america back and now that trump pence administration wants to take credit when they rode the coattails of joe biden's success 0 for the economic that they had at the beginning of their term, e economic is a complete disaster, but joe biden on the onehand did that, on th other hand you have donald trump who has reigned over a recessi that is beng compared to the great depression. on the one hand you hae voab who was possible with president barack obama for the affordable care act that broarught healt to over 20 million americans and protected people with preexisting conditions and what it also did is it saved those going bankrupt, because of hospital bills they could not afford. on the other hand, if donald trump was it court riw trying to get rid of -- trying to get rid of the affordable a care achich means that you

will lose protections if you cve preexistiditions and i just -- there is very important, susan. >> yes. >> we need to givvice president -- >> i would just like -- he interrupt med and i would just like to fiish, please. >> if you have a prepsiing condition, the heart tease,ea diabetes, cancer, they are coming for you, if you love someone who has preexisting condition -- >> thank you, thank you. >> they will come for you. if you are under the age of 26 on your parents coverage, they are coming for you. >> senator harris, thank >> let me give you a chance to respond. >> i hope we have a chance to talk a about healthcare because obamacare was a disaster, the american people remember it well. president trump and i have a plan to improve healthcare and to protect pretiex conditions for every american. but, look, senator hrris, you are entitled to your own opinion but you are not 0 entitled to your own facts, you use yourself said on multiple occasions when you were running for president that you would ban practicing. wr b looked a supporter the

eye and pointed and said i guarantee i grantee that we will abolish fossil fuels, we have a $2 trillion version of the grsueen new dealsan, your newspaper, usa today said reallt wahat very different from the original green new deal. more taxes, more regulation, banning fracking, abolishing fossil fuel, crushing american energy and economic suender to china is a prescription for economic decline, president trump and i will keep america growing, the v-shaped recovery that is underway right now wueil contith four more years of president donald trump in office. >> thank you very mu, respect pence. once again, you have provided the perfect segue to the next topic which is climate change. and vice president pence, i would like to pose the first question to you. this year we have seen rehrd-setting hurricanes ine south a, another hurricane delta is now threatening, and we have in the west.setting wile fires

do you believe as the scientific community has concluded, that man-made climate change has mad wild fires bigger, hotter, and hurricanes wetter, slower, and more damaging? you havtwo-minute uninterrupted, unintrupped. >> thank you, susan. well, first i am very proud of the our record on the environment and conservation. according to all of the to besti tes our air an land are recorded, our wate among the cleanest in the world. and just a little while ago thed prt gned the outdoors act, it is the largest investment in our public lands president trump has made aars. commitment to conservation to the environment, a now with regard to climate change, the climate is changing, but the se ae is, what is the cau a what do we do about it? president trump has made it clear we are going to co inue sten to the science. now, joe biden and kamala harris

uld put us back in the paris climate accord and impose the green new deal, which would crush american energy, would increase thenergy costs to american families in their homes, and literally it would crush american jobs. the president trump and i we have made in a cleanerhat environment has been happeni precisely because we have a strong free market economy. you know, at is remarkable is the united states has reduced co2 more than the countries that accord but we hane its climate through innovation and we have done it through natural gas, and acking, which senator, the american people can go look at the record. and i know joe biden says otherwise now, as you do, butth the f you repeatedly committed to abolishing fossil fuel and banning fracking. and so by creating the kind of american innovation where we are

actually steering toward a stronger and better environment, with regard to wild fires,pr ident trump and i believe that forest management has to be front and center andevn governor gavin newsom from your state agreed we have k on forest management and with regard to hurricane it nais onal oceanic administration tells us it is actually as difficult as they are, there are no more hurricanes today than there were 100 years ag t nk you. >> but many of the climate alarmists use hurricanes and wild fires to try and sell a deal and president and i new will always put american jobs and american workers first. >> thank you. a senator harri the vice president mentioned you cosponsored, cosponsored the green new deal in congress but 0 joe biden said in last week'ste dee does not support the green new deal but if you look at the biden harris campaign website it describes the green new deal aa crucial framework, what exactly would be the stance of abide den-heaa irs

administration toward the green new deal? you have two minuteste uninterr >> so first of all, i will repeat, and the american people know, that joe biden will hot ban racking. that is a fact. that is a fact. i will repeat that joe biden has about growing jobs, which is why he will not increase taxes for w anyo makes less than joe biden's mick plan 0, movies, which is a reputable wall stet firm said will create 7 million more jobs than donald trumprt and f those jobs that will be created by joe biden are ing to be about cleannergy and renewable energy. because you see, joe understands that the west coast of our country is urning,cluding my home state of california. joe sees wht is happening on the gulf states, which are being

battered by storms. joe has seen and talked with the farmers in iowa, whose entire crops have been destroyed because of floods, and so joe believes, again, in science, i will tell you something, susan, i served when i first got to the senate on to the committee thatf a is responsib the environment, do you do you knows administration tk the word science off the website? and then took the phrase climate change off the website? this -- we have seen a pattern with this administration, which is they't dljo eonbe's plan is g we are going to deal with it bun we are also to create jobs. donald trump, when asked about thwildfires in california and the question was, you know, the science is telling us this, youd know what dorump said? so let's talk about who is prepared to lead our country over t course of the next four years on what is an existence chul threat to us as human beings, owe is about saying we are going to invest that in renewable energy and going to be

about the creation of millions of jobs and we will achieve net, zero eissions b 2050, carbon neutral by 2035, joe has a plan, there has been a lot of talk a from the trump administration and really ihas been to go backward instead of forward, we will also reenter the climate agreement with pride. >> senator harris just said t climate change is an existential threat. vice president pence, do you believe that climate change poses an existential threat? >> as i said, susan, the climate is changing, we will llow the science. but once again, senator harris is denying the fact that they are going to raise taxes on every american, joe biden said twice in the debate last week that on at a ne he was going to repeal the trump tax cuts. those tax cuts delivered $2,000 in tax relief to the average family of four across america and with regard to banning fracking ei justcommend people look at the record. you yourself said repeatedly

at you would ban fracking. you were the first senate cosponsor of the green neweal, while joe biden denied the green new deal, susan, thank you for is on their campaign webte andl as usa today said it is essentially the same pln as you cosponsored with aoc when she submitted it in e senate. and you just heard the senator say she is going to resubmi america to the paris climate accord. look, the ameran people have always cherish our environment and will continue to cherish it and made great progress, reducing co2 emissions through american innovation and the development of natural gas and fracking, we don't need a massive $2 trillion green new deal that would impose all newman dates on american businesses and american families. >> thank you. >> joe biden wants us to retrofit 4 million -- business it makes no sense and it will cost jobs. president trump puts america

and we are going to take care of our environment and follow the science. >> on the issue of jobs. >> senator harris. >> let's talk about a that. p the visident earlier referred to, as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment, the president's trade war with china, he lost that trade war. he lost it. what ended up happening is because of a so-called trade war with china, america lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs, farmersave experienced nkruptcy because of it, we are in a manufacturing reofssion. becaust. and a when we look at where this administration has been there are estimates by the end of the term of this administration they will have the lost more 0 bs than almost any other n,presidential administratnd the american people know what i am talking about. you know.i think about 20-year-u

know, we have aea 20-yold. 20 something-year-old, who are coming out of high school and college right now and you are wondering, is there going to be a job there for me? we are looking at pple who are trying to figure out how they are going pay rent by the end of the month, almost half of american renters are worried about whether they are going to be able to pay rent b the end of the month. this is where the economy is in american america right now and and the failure of leadership of this administration. >> thank you, seator hars. >> vice president pence, let me give you just 15 seconds to respond because then i want to love on to -- >> well, i would love to respond. jook, lost the trade war with chin biden never fought it. joe biden has been a cheerleader for communist china through over the last several decades. and, again, senator harris, you are entitled to our opinion y are not entitled to your own facts. joe biden was vice president we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs

and president obama said thm were never g back, he said we needed a magic wand to bring them back. in our first three yrs after we cut taxes. >> thank you, vice president. >> regulation unleashed american energy thiadminisation saw 500,000 manufacturing jobs created. and that is exactly the kind oe growth we ing to continue to see as we bring our nation thugh this pandemic. >> thank you. >> the green new deal, your kparis climate accord will jobs this time just like it killed jobs -- >> i just need ptoond very briefly. >> 15 seconds and we will move on >> thank you. >> joe biden is 0 responsible for saving america's auto industry and you voted against it. so let's set the record straight. thank you. >>ooy would like talk about china. we have as our next topic, we have no more complicated or consequential foreign relationship than the one with china china. it is a huge market for american agricultural goods and a potential partner in dealing with climate change and north

korea than a video tonight president trump blame it for the coronavirus saying cna will pay. vice president pence, how would yous decribe our fundamental relationship with china? competitors, add very scars? enemies? >> you have two minutes. >> thank you, susan. can.peak to ing records, if ilet yo, everybody knows that nafta cost literally thousands of american factories to close. we saw automote jobs go sout of the border, president trump fought to regotiate nafta. and the united states, mexico, canada agreement is now the law of the land. the american people deserve to to know, senator kamala harris was one of only ten members of the senate to vote againsthe usmca, it was a huge win for a americo workers and a huge win for american at farmers, especially dairy in the upper midwest, but senator, you said it didn't go f enough on

climate change that you put your radical environmental agenda ahead of orerican auto kers and ahead of american jobs. p the americple deserve to know that. it is probably why newsweek magazine said mahat harris was the most libal member of the united states senate in 2019, more liberal than bernie sanders, more liberal that any of the others in the united states matt. so thousand with regard to china, loirok, susan, and foremost, china is to blame for the coronavirus. and pyesident trump is not hap about it. he has made that very clear and made it clear again today. china and the world health organization do not play straight with the american people. they did not let our personnel into china to get information on the coronavirus until the middl of february, fortunately, president trump in dealing with china from the outsof this administration standing up to china that have been taking advantage of america for-s in

the wake of joe biden's cheer leading for china. president trump made that decision before the end of january a suspe travel from china, and again, the american people deserve to though, voab opposed president trump's decision to suspend all travel from china. he said it wasri hysl, he said -- >> thank you vice president pence. >> the president trump has stoo up to china are going to continue to stand strong. ee want to improve th relationship but we are going to level the playing field and we are going hold china accountable for what they did trica with the coronavirus. >> thank you. senator harris, let me ask you the same questionhat i asked the vice president, how would you describe our fundamentalh relationship wina? are we competitors in adversieies? en >> you will have two hunts uninterrupte >> susan, the trump administration's perspecti and approach to china has resulted in a loss of american lives,

american jobs, and america's standing. there is a weird obsession that president trump has had with getting rid ofhatever accomplishment was achieved by president obama and vice president biden. for example, they createdithin with the white house an office that basically was responsible r monitoring pandemics. they got rid of it. >> not true. >> there was a team of disease experts that president obama and vice president biden dishepa to china. to monitor what is thousand predictable and what ght happen. they pulled them out. we now are looking at 210,000 americans who have lost their lives. let's look at the job situation. we meioned before the trade to call it with china.hey wanted

it resulted in the loss of over 300 manufacturing jobs and manufacturing recession, andhe american consumer paid thousands of dollars more for goods because of that failed war, that they called it, and let's talk p about standin, a reputable research firm, has tone an analysis that shows that leaderf ll of our formerly alliedun ies have now decided that they hold in greater esteem and respect xi jinping, the head of the chinese communist party than they donald trump the president of the united stes, the commander in chief of the united states. this is where we are tay. because of a failure of leadership, by this administration. senator harris, we have seen changes in the role of the united states in terms of gloerl leip over the past four

years. and of course times do change. what is your definition, we have seen strains with china ofic course it is apresident mentioned, we have seen strains with our traditional allies in nato and elsewhere. tiwhat is your defi of the role of american leadership in 2020? >> so, you know, joe, i lovine tawith joe about a lot of these issues, and, you know, joe, i think he said it quite well, he says, you know, foreign policy might sound complicatedt ally it is relationships, just think about it as relationships, and so we know this in our personal and professional relationships. you have got to keep your word to your friends. you ha to be loyal to your friends, people who have stood with you, have to, you have got to stand with thm, you have g to know who your adversaries are and keep them in che. but what we have seen with donald trumps that he has betrayed our friends and embraced dictators around the

aorld. so i served on the intelligence committee of the united stateste seamerica's intelligence community told us rushed interfn the election of the president of the united states in 2016 and is planning to in 2020. christopher wray, the director of the fbi said the same. but donald trump, the command never chief of the united states of america prefers to take the rld of vladimir putin over the world of the american intelligence committee. you ok at our 0 friends at na. he has walked away from agreements, look at the iran nuclear teal whh now has put us in a positn where we are less safe because they are building up what might end up being a significant nuclear arsenal. we were in that deal, we were in iran nuclear deal with friends and allies around the country and because ofonald ump's

unilateral approach to foreign policy, coupled with his isolationism, he pulled us out and has made america less safe, so susan it is about relationships, and the think that has always been part of the strength of our nation in addition to our great military has been we keep our word, but donald trump doesn't understand that, because he doesn't understand what it opinions to t be honest. thank you, senator harris. vice president pence, let me give you a chance to respond. >> thank you, president trump took his word when we moved the american embsy to jerusalem, the capital of the state of rael, when vice president biden was president he promised to do that and it didn't haen. the we are now, nato allies have contributed more to the natoal ance because of the work of donald trump and we have stood strong against those who would do us harm. you know, when president trump came into office, is had cap

kurd an area of the middle east the size of pence pennsylvania, and president trump unleashed the american military and our ard forces destroyed the isis caliphate and took outheir leader al baghdad difficult without any casualty, alexandri al-baghds responsible for the deaths of thousands but noticeablyearts are with the hearts of kay a la miller, the parents who are with us tonight this salt lake city, today, two of the isis killers responsible for kayla mueller's murder were brought to justice in the united states, jihadi john was killed in the battlefield along with the other beatle. when the vice joe biden was vice president we had an opportunity to safe her but it breaks my art but the military presented a plan and said they knew where

kayla was, baghdad difficult held her baghdadi held her for month but they killed her mercy lesley. >> but when joe biden was vice president they hesited and when our forces finally came in, she had been m earlier and her team says with what broke the heart a of every american if president donald trump had been president theywo believe shd be alive today but we destroyed the caliphate and you talk about reentering the iran nuclear deal and the last administration transferred $1.8 billion to the leading, leading state response sorry of terrorism, president donald trump got us out of the deal and a when qassem soleimani was traveling to baghdad to harm americans president donald trump took him out and america is safer, our alls are safer and the american people know president dona trump will never -- pause to take action.

>> let's give senator harris, to respond but we have other topics to discuss. >> i would like time to responde >>. >> go ahead. >> of course to the mueller family i know about your daughter's case and i am so sorry, i am so sorry. what happened to her is awful. and it should never have knppened. and joe feels the same way. and i know that president obama feels the same way. but you mentioned soleimani, let's start there. wa after the stre on soleimani, therea counter strike on our troops in iraq and they suffered serious brain injuries and do you know what donald trump dismissed them as? headaches. and this is about a pattern of referred to our men who ares

serving in our military as ruckers and losers, donald who went to arlington cemetery and stood above the graves of is in it for them.and said, what because of course you know he only thinks about whais is in it for him. let's take what he saidut john mccain, a great american hero and donald trump says, he doesn't deserve to be called a hero because he wason pris of war. and th. is very importa when you want to talk about who is the current commander inat chief and they care about and what they don't care about. boamer reporting that russia had oltdierow and you what a bounty is? it is somebody puts a price on yo head and they will pay it

if you are killed, anitd wh donald trump had talked at least six timades to ir putin and never brought up the ubt. >> thank you.ver do th >> joe biden would -- joba wourd holdssia to account for any threats to our nation a's ke of ouror to our troops whoth dearmocracy and our safety. >> thank you, senator harris. this is such an important issue but we have other important issues as well. >> susan. >> i want to make sure we have a chance. >> i really ha to respond to that. >> look, she has -- to have more than that.- i h i am sorry. vice president. >> look,. >> you had moresh time thae has. >> the slander against president donald trump regarding men and women of our armed forces are absurd. >> i am sorry, vicpresident spence. >> i captain will the united states marine corps, my son-in-law is deployed in theit states navy, i can assure all a of you the sons andg daughters serv our

military, president donald trump not only respects but revaleres of those who serve in our armed forces and think suggestion otherwise is ridiculous. >> thank yousi, vice pnt pence. >> the american people deserve, susan, the american people see to know that -- susan,. >> difficult id not create theht hughes for ton >> joe biden -- yr campaign aged to rules for tonight's debate with the commission on presidential debates i am here to enforce thenwhichvolves moving from one topic to another. giving roughly equal time to both of you which is what i am trying very hard to do. >> go ahead. >> and i will go ahead and move to the thebs tpic which is a important one, it is a last topic was and that is the supreme court. on monday, the narcotic judiciary committee is set to my coneyrings on a barrett, senator harris you will be there as a member of the committeon her confirmawould cement the court's conservative majority and make it likely open to more abortion restrictions, even to overturning the landmark

roe v. wade ruling. access to abortion then be up to the states. vice president pence, you areth former governor of indiana,. if roede is overturned, what would you want indiana to do? would you want your home state to ban all abortions? you have two min uninterrupted. >> well, thank you for the question, but i will use a little bit of my time to to ponv thy important issue to e athknowme quasi-quasi-, qasem s. manny is responsible for the en we saw himreds of american heading to baghdad to ki orrseldiem americans presidenttrump didn' hesitate and qasem pistol man ms got, soleimani gone, veis president and kamala harrisic credhat petition to tame out qasem soleini, it is really inexplicable but with joba it explainable because history records wroua acty

opposed the raid against osama bin laden, it is absolutely essential that we have a commander in chief who will not hesitate to act to protect american lives and to protect m american servibers a and that's what you have with american donald trump. now with regard to to the supreme court of the uted ntsi, let me say p d p tranuli the iastic about the opportunity to see judge amy coney barrett become justice amy coney barrett. she is a brilliant woman and shf will bring aime of experience and a siable american family to the property of the united states. and our hope is in the hearing next week, unlike justice kavanaugh received with treatment from you and others, but we hope she gets a fai hearing, and we particularly hope that we don't see the kind of attacks on her christian faith that we tsaw before democrat chairman of the judiciary comwhmittee beforen judge barrett was being

nfirmed forhe court of appeals expressed concern that dogma of her faith lived loudlyh r, i think dick durbin of illinois said it was a concern. mother, i kno yw one u judicial nominees you actually attacked pause they were a member of the catholic knights of columbus just because the knights umf cols holds pro-life views. >> thank you, vice president, your time is up. >> when the hea takes place will be respected and treatedtt uniretespd ecstatelys. >> senator harris, you are the senator from a former attorney li,al of cafo rnone i posed to the viceid prt. if roe v. wade is overtd,nete to enact noestrictions on access to abortion? and you have two mites uninterrupted. >> thank you, susan. first of all, joe biden and i are both people of tate and it is insultingo sugest that we

would knock anyone for their faith and in fact joe, ielf ted will be only the secondci prac catholic as president of the united states. on tsue of this nomination, joe and i are very cear, as are people we are 27 days before the decision about who will be the next president of the united states. and, you know,e befen this conversation has come up, you know, it has been about election year or elonecime, we are literally in an election, over llion ople have voted, people are in the process of roting right now and so joe has been very clear, as the american americane, let the people the ill that seat in the white house and then we will fill that seat on the united states supreme court and to your int, susan, the issues before r,ioouldn't be more seusr

tha woman's trying to make a decision about her ow boy, it at narundioen decis hviceot president, michael pen. but let's also look at what also is bef it is the affordable care act like literally in the dst of a public health pandemic with over 210,000 people have diedwhatille considered a prxisting condition because you contracted se virus, donald trump in court right now trying to get rid of the affordable care act and i have said it before and ie beareating, this means that there will be no more protections, if they win, for people with preexisting conditions. this means that over 20 million people will loseyoovag it means that if you are particular the age of 26, you can't stay on your parents' coverage anymore, and here is the thing.

the contrast couldn't be morehe clear,are trying to get rid of the affordable care act and joba is saying let's expand coverage, let's give you a choice of a public option or a private coverage, let's ng down premiums and let's lower medicare eligibility to to 60, entries true leadership. >> thank you. you have mentioned earlier, vice president pence, that the president was committed to maintaining protection for people wh preexisting conditions, but we do have thise yodmtrnsutihat would strike down the affordable care. the president says, president trump says that she going recollect people withco preexistinitions but he has not explained how he would do that, add then one of the toughest -- to crack when they were passing the affordablere so tell us specifically, how would your administration protect americanwith preexisting conditions who, to have access to affordable insurance if the affordable care act is struck down.

>> well, thank you, susan. let me just say, addressing youe first question, i couldn't be more proud to serve as vice a president president who stands without apology for sanctity of man life ifam e.-lpr i doap and this is another one of those cases where there is such a dramatic contrast. joe biden and kamala harris support taxpayer funding of abortion all the way up to the moment ir blae thfuente, tdingo anned parenthood of america. and for our part, i would never presume how food, how amy coney barrett would rule on the supreme court of the united states, but we will continue to stand strong for the right-to-life. when you speak about the property, though, i think the american people really deserve an answer, senator harris. are you and joe biden going to pack the court if judge amy >> i mean there have bee29? during presidential electionrt years from george washington and

barack obama, presidents have nominated in all 29 cases, but preme voco is actually openly urt which has had nine seats for 150 years, if you t t doyogeur can't win by the rules you are going to change the rules. now, you have refused to answer the question, joe biden has refused to answer the question, so i think the american people would really like to kno if judge amy coney barrett is confirmed to the supreme court of the united stas are you and joe biden, if somehow you win this election going to pack the supreme court to get your way? >> i am so glad we went through a little history lesson, let's do that a little more. in 186 -- >> i would like u to answer the question. >> i am speaking. i am speaking. >> okay? in 1864, one of the -- i think political heroes certainly the president, i assume you also, mr. vice presirnt is aham lincoln. >> uh-huh. >> abraham lincoln was up a27 ds

before the election and a seat became open on the united states supreme court. abraham lincols party was in o charge, to ty of the white house but the senate, but honest abe said, not the right thing to do. the american people deserve to make the decision about who will be the next presint of the united states and then that person can selt who will serve for a lifetime on the high test court of our land. and so joe and i are very clear, the american people are voting right now and it should be their decision about who will serve on thtant body for a lifetime. >> thank you, senator harris. >> susan, they are voting trying now and would likto know i you and joe biden are going to pack the supreme court if you don't get your way in this no,m mace. >> let's talk about packing, come on. >> you gave a on this anwer. joe biden gave a nonanswer. >> i tried to answer you.

>> the american people deserve a figureuthe straight you haven't answer is they are going to pack the supreme court. if they somehow win this election. >> men and women i have to tell you if you cherish our supreme court and if you cherish the o separatipowers you need to reject the biden-harris ticketem come nr the third reelect donald trump and we will stand by that separation of powers with a nine seat supreme court. >> l's talk about packing th court then, let's talk about a. >> please. >> i am about to. >> >> so trheump-pence administration has been, because i sit on the senate judiciary committee, stu stan and you mentioned, and i have witnessed the appoints for lifeti appointments to the federal courts, district courts, courtsa peal. people who are purely ideological people, who, people who have been reviewed by legalg professionalizations and pound to have been not competent or substandard, and do you know

that of the 50 people who president trump appointed to the court of appeals for lifetime wpointments, not one is black in this at they have been doing. you want to talk about packing the court, let's have that discussion. >> all right. thank you, thank you, senator, let's go on and talk about the issue of racial a justice. >> i just want the record to reflect she never ansr a answered the question. maybe in the next debate joe biden will answer the question but i think the american people know answer. >> thank you, vice president. in march eonna taylor a 26-year-old emergency room technician in louisville was shot andilled after police officers executing a search warrant on a narcotics investigation broke into her apartment, the lice said the identified themselves. taylor's boyfriend said he didn't hear them do that. he used a gun registered to him to fire a shot which woundedn officer, the officers then fired more than 20 rounds into the apartment, they say they were acting in self defense. none of them haveeen indicted in connection with her death.

senator hars, in the case of breonna taylor, was justice done? you have twos. minu >> i don't believe so and i have talked with breonna's mother, ded her family and her family rv justice. ng woman. become a nurse and she wanted to become an emt to first learnwh is going on out on the street, so she could then become a nurse and save lives and her life was taken, unjustifiedly and tragically and lently and it brings me t you know, the eight minutes and 46 seconds mhat america witnessed during which an america was tortured and killed under the knee of an armed uniformed policefficer.

and people aroundour country of every race of every age, of every gender, perfect strangers to each other, marched sulder to shoulder, arm a in arm fighting for us to finally achieve that ideal of equalst e under law. and i was a part of those peaceful protests. and i believe strongly that first of all we are never going to condone violence but we always a must fight for the values that we hold dear, includhg the fight to acieve our ideal, and that's why joe biden and i said on this subject, look, and i am a former career prosecutor, iknow what i am talking about, bad cops are bad for good cops, with he need reform of our policing in america and ur criminal justice system which is why joe and i will immediately ban choke holds and carotid holds, george oyd

would be alive if we did that, we will require a national registryor police officers wh break the la we will achieve criminal justice reform and get rid of private prisons and cash bail and we will decriminalize marijuana and we will expunge the records of those who he been victed of marijuana, it is time for leadership on a tragic, tragic issue, unarmed black people in america -- >> thank you, kamala harris. >> vice president pence let me pose the e question to you n the case of breonna taylor, was justice done? you have two minutes uninterrupted. >> well our heartbreaks for the loss of any innocent american life. and the family of breonna taylor has ourympathies. but i trust our justice sysm, a grand jury that refuse that reviewed the evidence and it really is remarkab a former prosecutor you would assume that

nd impaneled gury looking at all of the evidence got it wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion,n seator. i think -- and with regard to george floyd, there is no eexc for what happened to george floyd. justice will be served. but there is also also no excusr the rioting and the looting that followed. i mean, it really is astonishing, who is with us tonight in salt lake city, just a few weeks ago i stood at what used to be her saon, burned to the ground by rioters and looters and flora is still trying to put her life back together. and i must tell you, this joesumption that you hear consistently frobiden and kamala harris that america isly systemicacist, that as joe biden said that he believes that law enforcement has implicitmi

bias againstorities is a great insult to the men and women who serve in law enforcement and i want everyone to know who puts on the uniform of law enforcement every day, president trump and i stand with you. and it is remarkable that when a police reorm bill broughtpass together a group of republicans and democrats, senator harris, you got up and walked out of the room, and then yu filibustered senator tim scott's bill on the senate floohathat woule provided new accountability, new resources but we don't have to oose between supporting law enforcement, proving, improving public safety and supporting our african-american neighbors and alof our minorities, under president trump's leadership he will always stand with law enforcement and will do what we have done since at a o i which rove the lives of african americans, record unemployment, record investments in education and the fight for school chice

for all americ >> i would like to respond. >> senator harris. >> i will not sit here and be lectured by the vice president on what it means to enforce laws of our country. i am the onlsty one on thiage who has personally prosecuted everything frouachild sex assault to homicide. i am the only one on this ste who has prosecuted the big banks america's homeowners and the only one on this stage who prosecuted for profit colfoleges taking advantage of our veterans. and the reality of this is that we are talking about an election in 27 days where tst week president of the united states took a debate stage the front of 70 million americans and refused to condemn white supremacis. >> not true. >> not true. >> and it wasn't ke he didn't have a chance, he didn't do it and then he ubled down, and then he said, when pressed,

stand back, stand by. and this is the part of a pattern of donald trump's, he called mexicans rapists and criminals, he instituted as his first act a muslim ba, he on the issue of charlottesville where people were peacefully protesting the need for racial justice, where a young woman ws killed, and on the other side there were neonazis carying tiki torches shouting racial epithets, anti-semitic slurs and donald trump when asked about it says, they were fine people on both sides. there is who we have as the president of the unitedtates and america deserves better, joe biden will be a president who brings our countryogether and recognizes the beauty in our diversity and the fact th we l have so much more in common

than what separates us. give you a minute to respond. >> thank you, susan. i appreciate that very much. you know, i think that is one of the thingsehat a makes peo dislike the media so much in this country, susan, is that you selectively edit just like senator harris did comments that tesident trump and i and others on our 0 side aisle make. i mean, senator harris conveniely omitted after the president made comments about debate over monuments he the condemned the kkk, neonazis and white supremacists and has done so repeatedly, you are concerned he doesn't condemn neonazis, president trump has jewish grandchildren, think daughter and son-in-law are urine, there is a president who respects an cherishes all of the a people, but you talk about having personally prosecuted i am glad you brought up your record, senator. >> thank you. point when your da in sanhis

francisco, when you leftovers, african americans were 19 times more likely to be prosecuted for nor drug offenses than whites and hispanics. when you were attorney generalfo of caia, you increased the i disproportionaarceration of blacks in california, you did nothing on criminal justice reform in california, you didn't lift a finger to pass the first step act oncapitol hill. i mean, the reality is, your record speaks for itself, president trump and i have fought for contract justice reform, he fought for education oand choice andortunities for african americans all across the country and will do for for more years. >> there is no more important ise that the final issue we will talk about tonight and that is the issue of the election rself. >> he attacked ord i would like an opportunity to respond. >> let me give you 30 secds because we we are running out of time. >> i appreciate that. >> first of all, having served

as the attorney general of the that i did is a model of what our nation needs to do and we wille able to do under a joen biesidency. our agenda includes what this h administrati failed to do. it will be about not only institute o ban on oke holds and carotid holds and not only -- >> thank you, senator. >> i would like to go through. arly tonight talk a about the election itself before we -- >> bt i want to talk about the connection between what joe and i will do and my record.es >> which inclu was the first statewide officer to instute a requirement that my agents would wear body cameras and keep them on full time. we were the first to initiate a requirent that there would be a training for law enforcement on implicit bias because yes, joe biden and i recognize that implicit bias does exist, mr. vice president, contrary to what you may believe. we did the wok of instituting investing in reentry.ut

this is the work that we have done and the work we will do going forward and againly not be lectured by the vice president on our record of what we have done in terms of law enforcement and keeping ourniom safe and a commitment to reforng the criminal justice system of >> thank you, senat harris and i would like to pose the first first to the question on our final pic, the electn itself. president trump has several times refused to commit himself to a peaceful transfer of power after the election, if your ticket wins, andresident trump refuses to accept a peaceful would you and vice presidents biden then take? what would happen next? you have two minutes. >> so i will tell you, joe and i are particularlyud pf the coalition that we have built around our campaign, we probably have one of bradest coalitions of folks that you invest seen in

a presidential racend course we have the support of democrats but also independents and republicans, in fact, seven members of president george w. bush's cabinet are sing our ticket. we have the support of colin powell, sin cindy mccayain, john sick, kasic over 500 generals, retired generals and former national security experts and advisors are supporting our campaign and i beliey are doing that because they know j th biden has a deep, deep-seated commitment to fight for our mocracy and to fight for the integrity of our democracy and to bring inegrity back to the white house and so we believe in the ameca people. we believe in our democracy and here is what i would like to say to everybody. vote. please vote, vote early, come up with a plan to vote, go to i will vote.com and go to joe

biden.com, we have it within our power inhese next s to make the decay27 disioabout what will be the course of ourth country fonext ursar itd if w wane use our vote ande our voice we will win. d we will not let anyone subvert our democracy with what donald trump has been doing as he did on thee debage last week when again in front of 70 million people he openly attempted to sup the vote. the same debate stage becausen clearly donald trump doesn't think he can run on his reuscord beit is a failed record, joe biden on that stage said, hey, just please vote so i willo repeat whae says, said, just please vote. >> thank. you vice president pence, president trump several timesrefused to agree to a peaceful transfer of

power. what would be your rol ae i responsible responsibility as vice president, what wod you personally do? you have two minutes. >> well, susan, first and foremost i think we are going to win thelisection. because while joe biden and kamala harris rattle off a long litany of establishment and establishment joe biden has been a part of for 47 years, president trump donald trump is launched a movement of every day americans from every walk of life, and i have every confidence that the sameat americans elivered that historic victory in 2016 will see this president's record where we rebuilt our military and revived our economy through tax cuts and rolling back regulation, fighting for fair trade, unleashing american energy, we have appointed conservatives to our federal courts at every level and wee stood with n and women of law enforcement every single day and i think thaent mov of americans has only grown stronger in the last four years.

when you talk about accepting the outcome of the election, i must tell you, senator, your party has spent the last three and a half years trying tos overturn the rts of the last election. i mean, it is heaving. w whab is vice president of the united states, the fi actually spied on president trump and my campaign. i mean there are documents released there week that the cia actually made a referral to the fbium docting that those allegations were coming the hillary clinton campaign, and of course, we have all seen the country through for the better part of three years until it was found there was no obstruction, no collusion, case closed and then senator harris you and youi colleagu the congress tried to impeach the president of the united states over a phone call and now hilllinton has actually said to joe biden in her words undertionoir c

so let me just say i think we gog p ieine hifightiinng eve try day s in courthouses to prevent joe biden and kamala harris a from changing the rules and creating this unirsal mail-in voting that will create a massive opportunity for voter fraud and we have a free and fair election, we kn we are going have confidence in it and i believe in all my heart the presidt is going to be reelect willed, re-elected for four more all of theave writte questions about masks tonight but for the final question of the debate, i would like to read a question that someone else wrote. >> utah commission asked the students in the state to write essays about what they wouldo ao witse tonight's dekeba tte ndti pd lih e breck la brown, an eighth grader at springville juniorigh in springville, utah and here is what she wrote, quote, when i watched the news all i see is argue aing between democrats and republicans when i watched te

, wsneall izens fighting against citizen, when i watch the news all i see are two candidates from opposing parties trying to tear each other down. if our leaders can't get along, how are the citizens supsed to get along? and then shedded, you are examples could make all the difference to bring usr. toget end quote. so to each of you in turn i would like wrote uh to ake one minute and respond to brecknd vice president pence you have one minute. >> breck land, it is a wonderful question. and let me just commend you for taking an interest in public life. i started following the news when i was very young and in america we believe in a free and open exchae of debate. and we celebrate that and it isc how we havated literally the freest and most prosperous nation in the history of te world. and i tell you that don't assume

that what you are seeing on your local news networks is synonymous with the american people. you know, i look at the relationship between justice ruth bader ginsburg, the late justice we just lost in the supreme court and the late justice about nine is is ally, a they were on polar rtposites of the supreme c of the united states, one liberal, one very conservative but what has been learned sice d r temsrytfwohem oe th closest of friends. i mean here in america we can disagree and deborously as senator harris and i have on this state gage tonight, but whe debate is over, we come together as americans, and that's what people do in big cities and small towns all across is country, so i just want to encourage you, breck land, i wanto tell you that we are going to work every day to have government as good as our people, the american people each and every day. love a good debate. we love a good argument a, but

we always come together and are always t >> itiof nd ndhe ofore.rnne aerh especially learned that through the difficulties of ts year. >> thank you. say to breck land?at would you >> first of all, would love to hear, i love to hear from our young leaders and when i hearr words, when i hear your words, breck land, i know our future is bright because it is that persptive on who we are and who we should be. is something we should all aspire to be. and, you know, that brings me to joe. joe biden one of the reasons t that owe decidrun for president is after charlottesville, with which we talked about earlier, it so troubled him and upset him like that kind of hate and divisions what propelled joe to run for president was to see that over the course of the last four years what breck land described has been happening.

joe has a longstanding reputation of working across the aisle and working in a bipartisan way. and that's what he is going to do as real estate. joe biden has a history of lifting people up and fighting for their diagnosis he, dignity you 0 have to know joe's story to know he has known pain and suffering and a he has known love and so, and so breck land when you think about the future, i do believe the future bright and it will be because of your leadership and it will be because we fight for each rson's voice through their vote and we get engaged this this election, becae youave the ability through your work and through eventually your vote tomine the future of our country and what its leadership lo ts like. >>hank you, senator harris. thank you, vice president pence. thank you so much for being wh us tonight. we want to thank also the

university of utah for its hospitality and most of all our thanks to all of the americans who watched this debate tonight. again our best wishes for a quick recovery to president trump, the first lady and everyo who is battling covid-19ed. the second presidential debate is next week 1on octobh, a town hall style dee bius tn he . [ applause ] a >> woodrufd that concludes this vice presidential debate, the only one of this election season. i am juju at the newshour studio, and we judy woodruff, a wshour and we watched cam ca and mike pence d heir 0 partners coming on the stage on this very different experience, we see douglas, the husband of kamala harris wearing a mk. this is the only vice

presidential debate, there are still two more .. pre debates that are scheduled, only a handful of people in the audience as you see behind moderator susan page. this was a ederal atstances whee candidates went beyond the time, they were supposed to go. but it wasch more civil debate than what we saw last week, when the president andn e biaced off, they covered the pandemic, covid, they covered the economy, climate and there at the end accepting the results of the election and a questionrom an eighth grade an republans and people in public life can't get along and why is ere so much arguing. but for right now let's go to ourcorrespondents following these campaign as, yamiche alcindor back with me, so yamiche, you have been followinghe trump-pence effort verclosely, what did you hear tonight?

>> well, while this debate was very civil, vice president pence was really interrupting senator harris to make point after point about the packet that he believes the trumprati is thbe .stira to frd ni he defmiadended vigorously the president's status and his response to the coronavirus, he said at one point thwaat there hot an office that was supposed to be dealing with pandemics,ol did that is not true, there was an office and the national security council that was issolved, we also saw the vice president talk about rates and he said at one point at looting and rioting with no pense for the, no excuse for the death there have been reports of some looting but also peaceful pro tests and also with a defended the president and said he never talked about, white supreme xis, the reondemn estate did do that but the vice president also said that he respects all americans and that ivs jewish grandchildren him a connect sugar ray shu-cono

rate race i want to put up a graphic of people on the issue of climate change, if we put that up, scientific consent is us is kliment change is human toused, to 2014 to 2017 climate change is causing stronger hurricanes worldwide. we put that graphic up because at one point vice president pence said, yes, the climate is changing but we are nre why. science shows that humans are hee definitely impacting climate so that gain you saw the vice president at times giving misleading informationbus the 43.y than >> woodruff: so, lisa, an, you have been following the biden harris campaign closely, wh struck you tonight? n >> well, you know, wu look at theharris performance together she was trying to be more warm, at the same time giving very similar to joe biden, to things that the vice president was saying that she felt were lies or inaccurate, kind of that give me a break

d.ile and shaking of her he but there were some things that harris said that we felt needed some context as ll. first about preexisting conditions. a very important issue for many americans. let's look at agr trump-pence r a pmp iaicotis nggninufomg yo condition. here is what we know about president trump's view on that. he pe out an excutive order in september in which he said he has a commitment to protecting people who have preexisting anditions. now, it was on commitment and at the same time the president is suing to overtur t and ene affordable care act, which provides insuranceo many americans who wouldn't get it or all otherwise. now he has not come up with a plan for replacing obamacare and a judy, what that means in the rnd is why while the president has expressed a ong compliment to protect preexisting conditions he has not said how he will do it, ending obamacare would certainly make peoplwith eexisting conditions more vulnerable in the insurance market and there are an estimated 20 million of

them. one other thing on the orronavirus itself, moder susan page asked the vice president, why america has suc larger rates of the coronavirus than other industrialized nations. we want to show you 0 in context what that looks like. these are -- there is a graphic of the the daily rates of deaths reported in industrialized nights. you see that line at the top, that is the united states, the purplen e, leading all other industrialized nations, one other interesting poi w about that in you look irusheeaatths,t population, the the u.s. is still among the leaders in the world, but there are two other industrialized nations ahead of it, spain and brazil. but we still are way in front fomost of the rest of th world. >> woodruff: and thank you for 0 that, lisa and i wt to quickly come back to you. yamiche, because it seemed that when t vice president wa asked about the president's -- about a this administration's record on covid, the fact that the u.s. has had many more

deaths proportionately by population, than other countries, i didn't hear an swer. what did you hear? >> it wasn't a clear answer, inh fact, what vice president did was really continue to say, well, the president did the bes thatould, that at one point he banned travel from china. he essentially kept in some ways repeating the talking points we have heard from this administration. he didn't really say in particular, we could have doneme hings better, the president at times did down play the virus, sinned he didn't want to go whthere. he did really was put on a good face and put on an idea thr p administration should be trusted with the next four years and as a result they did what they tught was right inthe moment and that is what we have been hearing from president hemp, but n should say didn't repeat some of the things we have heard the president say, especially when it comes to comparing the coronavirus to the flu the seastal flu, he did do that, he also didn't say there was some sort of cure which what we heard from th president today. >> woodruff: and again, and back to you, lisa, very quickly,

on the question of the police, the demonstrations, the protests around the country, in the aftermath ofthe death of george floyd, how did you hear how a senator harrwered that? >> >> the i thought that was a great exchange, because it was one of the feswers where we saw a clear contrast, neither candides dodging, a often we heard vice president pence not really answering the question, we heard senator harris said she felt justice was not served in the lack of charges in the case of breonna taylor and we heard vice president pence said he trust it is law enforcement. that is a clear divide in american life right now and they expressed that on the stage. >> woodruff: all right. lisa desrdins, again, following the biden, harris campaign, andamiche following vice presidentce penand we are joined by our panel, that is amy report, they have o hostical of public radio's politics with

amy wn lter, jonatpehart, post". he joins us from washington. johnson, the editor in chief of the washington freebieon. so, amy, to you first, get to the heart of it. what are we left with after this 90inute debate? >> well, judy, it felt less like a debate than sort of, to debate more than a recitation of talking poin both answering e questions in the way they a wanted to about, maybe not answering the question at all, getting to the talking point they wanteto do. overall, both of them not theiri di, mike pence wanted to turn the attention to biden and harris and their record. he lked a lot about especially about kamala hars's past support for things like the green new deal, a ban on fracking, arguing that this administration if though come in would move very par to the left

on issues like climate, on raisingtaxings, kamala harris, of course, spent a lot time talking about donald trump and the failures of th administration on things like covid, but in the end, to use a tennis t orm, i think bothf them basically held serve, which means that w mo forward, nobody really moved the ball forward orroke anybody's serve. we areoing to stick with tennis, and so i think by tmorrow judy, we are goi be back where we usually are, which is talking about somethint s coming out of the white house and something that probably is coming president trump's twitter feed. >> woodruff: and probably having something to do with still being treated, treateds for. himself. jonathan capehart, you are part of our panel and listening to what came across? how do you think they did? did you agree with amy it wasn't really a debate? >> no.

it really was about debate.im ily i think because haven't pence from almost the beginning throughouted the throughouted the rules andlk over the kamala harris and the moderator, i thought going into this debate, i thought senator harris had a little bit more to prove in that people were going to be looking at her and trying to make theio determin could i see her as president? oval office if, one, the biden harris ticket were eed and a, two, she would have to serve in that role. d i think she comported herself very, very well andhe showedas not going to take any guff from vice president pence, i do agree with aim a my that, you know, yes, thtwo sides were on their talking points but i do think ve president pence spent most of his time on defense, especially with the questions starting out on the coronavirus, and then i think vice president pence, ian he has mastered the earnestness of saying nothing.

and, you know, playing totally to the audience of one, and real quite rankly with the talking point he was using wat he was saying is no different than what we have been hearingh from president's rallies, his press briefings, his south lawn talks, all the same things. i think when people are lookingi atdebate to see, you know, who, if they are still undecide who they wanted to vote for i think they got more new things from senator harris tan they did from vice president pence. >> woodruff: eliana johnson, how good of a job did the vice esident do tonight of helping the man at the top of the ticket ticket? >> , you know, pence lad a muh gger challenge, think going into this debate. he had an upatll btle given the central-ity of the coronavirus and he had to do no harm, given biden's le in the polls, and i think when talking about the coronavirus, the vice president was constantly on defense and was weaker, and i

think he did -- i think he did a good i d't know on jobs, energy, the economy, on china and particularly on pressing kamala harris about whether the den administration would pack ihe supreme court. but overal i tnk these vice presidential debates they weren't going to move the needle, this was interesting to e two people, as was mentioned kamala harris could easily be president anmike pence a potential republican contend never the near future, to me it was really most interesting to evaluate through that lens. >> woodruff: well, coming back to you, amyon thiquestion, to the extent kamala harris needed to prove tonight that -- make herself comfortable to the american people, that they cold see her there as number 2 with joe biden, did she do that tonight? >> with i absolutely think that she did. wh we didn't seethough, and we have seen kamala harris many voters have seen kamalarra as a prosecutor, whether it was

in her role as senator, especially durinthe kavanaugh hearings or in other moments on the judiciary committee, but they haven't really seen her yet as a full on candate and her personality in the way we may have seen it by now in another time. i think covid has meant that we are spending very little time with the candidates in don't really have much of a kamalaout version of who harris is, and quite frankly that wasn't her job tonight and that's not really the job of the vice presidential cada and vice presidential debate, their job is to defend the top of the cket, to prosecute the case, point and we may it in this next debate, the presidential debate where it is going to bemp veryortant, that prosecuting of the case against trump is not as much of a issue, it is selling the case for who they are and what they areo going do, they being the biden-harris

ticket as the next administration. and i think that is where voters are really going to -- what they are really going to be clamoring for is, understanding a little bit more about what life would look li if thewere in office. >> woodruff: and peeking ofan that, jonaapehart, to the extent the vice president was green new deal, on the fact, one his assertion that joe ben will raise your taxes on day one, because he said he will repeal the trump tax cuts, do you think he mae think headway in giving people pause about whether joe biden is going to make it tougher on people's livelihoods? >> i don't think so. i really don. again, you know, what he said about the green new deal and what he said about a lot of other things were just sort of retreads of what we have been hearing for at least two years, and i think thsenator harris was actually very effective i taking the attack and turning it

into, okay, herewhs we, the biden-harris ticket are going to do in terms of the environment and in terms of jobs, my job here is not to, you know, recite everything that they would do, but i do think in responseo questions and from susan page and in response to attacks from vice president pence, i thinkrr senator did a very good b of then taking the question answering it a little bit and then pivoting to here there is what we are going to do, forward looking, future faced. >> woodruff: and finally, eliana, in terms of their, the way the two of them cae across in how they responded to questions or didn't theo paid or didn't what the rules were, looking at the camera, oking at the audience, you did they come across as people? >> it is an interesting question, and i at this it is more important than we might want to t a knowledge. the format, as the other panelists mentioned didn't really lend itself to

interaction between the two but i have to say i found both of them somewhat distracting in different ways. kamala harris seemed not to realize she was on a split b reen or if she did wasn't doing a great jf controlling her pace and i think her smirks and some of her grimaces were a little bit distracting and in thsame vin, the vice president had sort of politeness that was clearly on offer but he is a slow talker t gng over time was also distracting, so thisas nothing like what we saw last week in the debate between president trump and ve president biden, where clearly personality was front and center, buati do think there were small things that were diracting on both of their parts. i have left with t three oftime you, amy, eliana's point is exactly right, this ist and day different from last week's debate between the presidentand oe biden, but, again, what do you think we aregoing to e talking about tomorrow, say it

again? >> yeah. exactly. i mean, swriew at this, i still can't belie that the debate that elia that was referencing was only a wee, k agoand it felt like two years ago and so i think for public that has been so whipsawed bey evnts, opinions about donald trump have been pretty well solidified. i think thea piece tht has not been debated enough is the a policies what things are going to mean for regular people, ther than just what the personalities of the candidates are like. >> woodruff: well, it is a lot for us to think about and i want to thank all three of you for being with us tonight, amy, walter, nathan capehart, eliana johnson for joining us to analyze tonight's vice presidential date. now, our senior national correspondent, amna nawaz ha been watchiis debate, along with a group of americans, it is part of our voice of the voters

project, so am naah, give us, a.m. naah, eave us arly sense, do you have a sense of their reaction? >> yes, judy, so i bveen watching this debate, on kind of a zoom party with the folks, who got six voters from around the country, who are, who we are other, they are from tennessee, carolina, ohio, california and new jersey, and getting their throughout the date really gives you a sense of how some of those messages were landing with voters who are well thinking hard about their votes. i should be clear, most of these voters are leaning very strongly one way or the other but they are really paying attention toes the deb because they want to feel good about their vote and they want to know they can change theirth mind a last minute if they have to. so a really quick take-aways i nto share a from the conversations along the way. to echo what the analysts said. all of these voterse so disappointed after the last debate, the first presidential dete, that bar wavery low going in to tonight.

they are very pleasantly surprised that the debate was civil and that both candidates really seemed to be answering the questions even if they dn't always do it directly or say something that the voters wanted tarhear. tt who 0 is a teacher from south carolina said she thought it was a lot party than laste time, a thught, she thought y el eloquent was ver and each side was basically speaking to 0 their own sid nobody was there to vince somebody of something else. lorraine a high school principal in california thought she thought the candidates spok must have to the most vulnerable, didn't speak enough to the most needy americans and was even disappointed in the way senator harris flossed over some of those issues and also echoed something we heard from a lot of the voters she felt the candidates did a lot of sto telling and a lot of anecdotes and wasting time, they said andr they didn't ansome of the questions directly, jerry who was from tennessee, said he felt some of the more intense moments 2210 candidate basically came down to a difference in debatest e and he didn't hear a ton of substance? what he heard tonight but that

is thought, you know, this kind of what you expect going into a debate like this. aue in, to me, is the most as neigh voters to tracking all of no, because she is a ecollege student, she anior, will se there ohio, comes from a family of replicans, but hes really thinking about voting for vice pre dent bideden in this election. he surprised me, judy and said he was very, very happy they igre talking much more about a foreign policy t, i asked him why, he said because we are trying to think about who is going to be the next command they are cef and vice president, and it matters, it is important, he didn't talk about it enough last time, i also think judy between you and me, it is because he is in the middle of midterms he has one timorrow morning and it is on international po so i think there was a little bit of studying going on as she watching. but basically they are allve paying very,y close attention, they were happy and surprised pleasantly so by what they saw tonseht, nobody ems to have really changed their mind, but, again i have to check back with him and continue the conversation. judy. >> woodruff: a.m. naah i know you are ing to do that and following that on the newshour

online, amna i am struck whate you said at out set they were relieved or glad fj that this debate didn't turn out th way last week's debate did, where you hathe president be very aggressive, doing a lot of interrupting, joe biden using some pretty strong terms, shallt we so describe te president. it sounds like voters do respect the process of the debate. >> judy, i cannot stress to you how frustrated they wer thing who watched the conversation that we continued online after the first debat there was a general bipartisan unanimous sense they learned nothing, it was time wasted and that the ente process had been debased in some way. tonight, i think some people feel like ty hiv learned something, that this is a little bit closer to the way that the process is supposed to unfold, and in many ways they echo some of the things we heard a fromth the eirader's question at the end there, breck land brown who basically said, we need hav cibate. why can't we just talk about the il way?ce in a ci we are going to see what all of

these voters have to say in just a little while as a you 0 mentioned judy and continue the really dig into issues to ad get all of their take-aways. >> woodruff: judy, back to you. >> woodruff: so glad, amna you mentioned the eighth grader question, what a great idea to bring that in at the end and ask a question frankly that a lot oc ams have which is why isn't there more civility in the way politicians talk to each other. so amna nawaz will have a busy conversation with these voters. and with that, we conclude this vbs newshour" special coverage of thee presidential debate, i do want to thank ourrr pondents, yamiche alcindor, lisa desjardins, and as you just heard, amna nawaz, and thanks again to our panel, amy walte jonathan capehart and eliana johnson. and on the "pbs newshour" online, as we said, our covage continues on, and we will be talking live the wgbh the panel of voters acrosthe country -- voice of the voters starts right now at pbs.org/nshour. for all of us here at the newshour, i am a judy woo auff,

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