don't forget what the political compromise achieved. it was a comssion that killed reconstruction that eished jim crow, that even after a civil war in which tore this naon aprt, it reenslaved african-americans and it was a commission that invited the voter suppression we are still fighting today in america. let me close by saying this -- the vote we're going to have here is a clear choice whether re going to feed the beast of ignorance or we arel going to the truth to the american people. we saw that beast todamay ring the halls. t's not invite it back.y >> majorader. r. president. i yield up to five minutes to the senator from kansas, senator marshall. >> senator from kank sas. thu, mr. president.usgñat marsh.

>> senator from kansas. president.u, m freedom of speech. >> it is 9:00 p.m. on the east coast. and this has been a tragic and historic day in the unite states. as lawmakers gathered to count the votes to insu a peaceful transition of power, president trump rilped u supporters more than an hour, then a mob swarmed the u. capitol. moments after republican lawmakers began challenging the vote in arizona. it was a vient take over the mob broke in, passed capitol police. sadly we know at least one woman s shot and killed in the hallsth are meant to symbol lize our democracy, lisa desrdins has been there all day. lisa we've ben wate ching

debate resume in the united states tonight over whether or not the electoral votes should be counted from the state of d izona but much of the discussion turck photo the event of this day, several use e of faying they will no longer object to the formal counting of the votes, allowing the certification to go forward because of what happened toda >> that's right. senator kelly loeffler, who had really the worst political day of her career, her short career, in the u.s. congress. had perhaps one of her most notable moments, when she sa she will no longer object to the georgia recount or the georgia counting because of what happened today. and i think the entire tone this debate, which this is the debate about the presidency and the electoral count, ths is -- we thought this was going to be about the claims of fraulent voting all of that

no, instead, this isbout the soul of america and about where we are, why we're here. and senators searching how to get past it. we'll be having this moment a long time. i think the house is about to come into session. my tv is on full blast. excuse me. >> we're watching at the sthe timee senate has been in session, the house just now coming back into session perhaps we want to dip int that for just a moment. lisa and c back to you. >> the election of joe bideand kamala harris, for that reason, congress returned to the capitol, we alwaysw that this responsibility would take us into the nht and well stay as long as it takes. our purpose will be accomplished. we must and we will show to thed country ino the world that we will not be diverted from our duty. we will respect ou

responsibility to the constitution and to the american people. on sunday it was a great hnor to be sworn in as speaker and to preside over a sacred ritual ofe renewal as here gathered under this dome of this temple of democracy to open the 117th congress. i said as we were swornn then, we accept a responsibility as daunting and demanding as any previous generation of leadership has ever faced. we know that we're in difficult times. but little could we have imagined the assault that was made on our democracy today. to those who try to deter us from our responsibility, you have failed.

to those who engaged in the desecration of this our temple of democracy, amecan democracy, justice will be done. today, january 6 is the feast of the epiphany. let us pray that this instigation will provide an epiphany for the country to heal. i ine e song of st. francis. patron saint of my c sty ofn francisco and the so this of st. francis of our anthem. m lord mak a channel of that peace. where there is darkness bring light. bring love.'s hatred, let us where that is despair, let us bring hope. we know that we would be part of history in a positive waytoday,

every four years, when we demonstrate again the peaceful transfer of power from one president to the next. and despite the shameful actions of today, wetill will do so. we will be part of a history that shows the wor what america is made of. that this assault, this assault is just that. it shows the weakness of those who hato show through vilence what their message was. my collgues, it's time to move on. i wear this quite frequevly. i e it to our brother john lewis the weekend before he left us. and it's a flag of our country.

a flag of the united states of america.on honor it saycountry, one destiny. one country. one destiny. written on the flag. that was also what was imbroidered on abraham lincoln coat that he had on that fate full of night, one country, one destiny. on this day of epiphany, let us gopray. i'm ad believer in prayer. let us pray that there will be peace on earth, and that it will begin with us. let us pray that god continue to bless america. let us proceed with our responsibilities to the cotitution to which we have just within 72 hours taken the

oath to up hold. what purpose does the gentleman in maryland seek recognition? >> madam speaker i rise in opposition to the objection. recognized five minutes >> it is a sad day. >> we're watching both chambersi of thed states congress, the house. you fe on the let. where hoyer who is the number twoeader in the house the majority leader in the house, and on te right, we're watching the senate chamber in both hous they are debating the th objectiot was put forward many hour ago earlier today to o the calling the counting of the votes, electoral votes from the state of arizona. we're watching th goforward, waiting to see whether there will be further objections to r otates or whether this is

the end of it. given the violen on the u.s. capitol today, the death of aoman who apparently was one of the protesters just extraordinary chain of events that unfold that leto both chambersg hav adjourn. let's turn now to retired navy mike mullin the former chairman of the joint chief of staff. tthank you for talking wh us, a terrible set of circumstances under which to have a conversation. but as you watched today's events unfold, you served in washington for a number of years. you were appoint bi a re blican to be chairman, you worked under gerge w bush where

do you make of where we are. >> we're in a place i never imagined we could be, judy, when you hear the air filled with words like trader, subission, i couldn't believe we could be think we are, we're close we me ery close to the break today. and we need to in my view, we need to recognize how close we are, not say that this is something that can be immediaty repaired, not say that this wsn't eve bit as bad as anything i've seen in my entire life, with respect to our democracy. we need to act accorngly and we need to react and act accordingly to protect our democracy. we oftentimes talk about this sometimes maybe even in the

abstract that it's fragile, i think today showed on y fragile it can be. and it anis really impofor leaders across the country to stand up now as many nhave spo tonight as i listened to the chambers andpo sup the constitution and make sure that in that support, we can move forward with the duly elected president-elect as tabulated over and over throughout the i countrterms of election results and do it in a way thatl starts to h. >> judy woodruff: what do you mean react accordingly? what dyou think should be de now? i hear you say move forward with the counting of the ele votes. are you saying the congress more objections put forward >> i certainly would like to see

o ere be nobjections at this point. i think it's -- it was -- it was characterized as a futile effort you want front thawasn't going anywhere. certainly, if e todayents meant anything, we should withdrawal fm those positions in light of what's hapned to support what we needed to in the future. i honestly, judy, reacd when i watched sort of the totality of it and quiete frankly leadership of our commander in chief, the president from my pepective insighted this stayed with it and one of the first thoughts i had many hr ago now, was that 25th amendment and i know that's been discusse in termsw do we get from here to january 20th? because there's still 14 more days. and as i thought about this in

recent days, judy, i tried, it's hard for me to get my head into how to think about this but thought about how dictators actl and how they n countries that i've seen all over the world how they pull the levers of their government to keep themselves in powe i worry that that will continue with this president until e no longer is in power. becausi think he's obviously desperate. and he is doing everything hed can to h on to that power. even topothint of what i can r to be grossly iegal actions today. >> judy woodruff: we know there's discussion of the 25th m dment, there's reporting tonight that some cabinet members i believe cbs news is reported some cabinet members have been discussing invoking the 25th amendment, which would call for the removal of the

president for a variety of reasons. do you think this president is a daer to the country and should possible?d before, as >> well, it's certainly not forc me to deide. i think based on the behavior recently but really culminated today, which resulted in that mob action, and very sadly, ismeone losing their lifn indication that he's not in a position to lead over the next 14 days. wie decision to do that, obviously, restthin the cabiney, obviouith the vice president. >> judy woodruff: those are all individuals who have been very loyal to him, as you know very well, there's been a great deal of turn over, especially, you know, the pentagon they've been through a succession of secretaries of defense, we've e had president attacking his

own vice president today. you know the city pretty well. do you see forces -- do you see the potential for the forces to amendment and to remove him by h one method or another? >> i think certainly as i said i earliethink we're close to the brink and that we're at place where that discussion is really, really important and i take your point, he's got und ing but loyalistses aro him. i i have seen now in both chambers some of tho who have been loyal in the past seem to be distancing themselves from the president i would hope those are closest him would recognize the potential even over the next 14 days after this. because i don't think we're done. i don't think today s it. i think we need to act in a o

preventive wayke sure that nothing else happens. and if that means the 25th -- if at means invoke the 25th, then i would hope they woulddo that. >> judy woodruff: well, we arei cey watching to see on that fronts but we're also watching on the international front.ee there havengs tensions rising tensions between the united states an iran, there was a commeer yesty by the individual who oversees the weapons -- smok the nuclear weapons program was saying if president trump ordered him to use nuclear or convention al weapons against iran he would feel that he needed to do so if he tought it were a legal order. there are all sorts of questions being raised now about that. admiral m going to asyou on the floor of senate is

missouri senator josh holly who has been one othe leadersf those objecting to the electoral count. >> would be in the words of abraham lincoln no appeal from ballots to bullets. is is whatwe saw unfortunately attempted tonight. there's no place for that in the united states of america. and that's why i mentioned to my colleagues what we're doing here tonight is very important. because for the who have concerns about the integrity of our elections, those who have concerns about what happened in november, this is the appropriate means. this is e lawful place where those objections and concerns should be heard. this is the forum that the law provides for those concerns to be register, not through violence, not by appealing from ballots to bulets but here this lawful process. to those who say this is just a

formality today antique ceremony we've been engaged in for a couple of hundred years i can't say i agree, i think it's vital what we do, the opportunity to be heard, to register objections is vital becausehis is the place for those objections are to be heard and dealt with, debated and finally resolved. and this laful means, peacefully without violence, without attacks, without bullets and so mr. presidentet me ju say now, briefly in lieu of speaking about it lat. worried about pennsylvia, which is a state i have been focused on, as an example of why people are concerned, millions concerned about our election integry. state of pennsylvania quite apart from allegations of any fraud you have a stte constitution that's been interpreted over a century to say that theare is no mil in balloting permitted except in narrow circumstances provided

for in thelaw, yet last year, pennsylvania elected officials passed a whole new law that and did it irregardless of what said.ennsylvania nstitution then when pennsylvania citizens tried to go and be heard on this subject befthorpennsylvania supreme court, they were dismissed on grounds of procedure, timeliness in violation of that supreme ow court'precedence. the merits of the case never been head, the constitutionality never been defended i'm not aware of any court pass onned the constitutionality. i'm not aware of anybody t defend constitutionality. this was the statute that governored last election and we saw over 2.5 million mail-in ballots in pennsylvania. this is my point this i the forum, pennsylvania supreme court sn't heard the case, no other court to go to hear the case in the state and so this is the appropriate plac these concerns t be raised.

which is why i raised them herea i hope that this body will not miss the opportunity to take affirmative action to address concerns of so many millions of americans, that violence is never warranted, will not be toleted those who egaged int it will be prosecuted. but this body will act to address the concerns of all americans across the country. we do nev an inestigation into irregularities, fraud, we do need a way forward together. we need election security reforms. i'll bet my friend the other o sithe aisle don't disagree, we need to find way to the american people from both parties all walks of life can have cone fide their elections and that we can thank you, mr. president, i r.le yield the floor. > judy woodruff: >> judy

woodruff: that was senator josh holly of onssouriof the chief republican members of the senate objecting to the counting the formal counting of the el toral votes, which is a process that the senate and thee house er are supposed to take care of on this day, on january the 6th when herought up this is the period when the house and senate re supsed to be debating objections in arizona. so the fact that senator holly went ahead and brought up pennsylvania, which is the state he later reported to be planning to object to, he said he was going to object to may inice that he is going to drop that objection later. here but the fact he would bring that up and say it's something e congress to look at. howennsylvania dealt with its mail-in ballots legal changes may be a hint that he is not g go object when it comes to pennsylvania. we have yet to hear from ted

cruz about tonight. about the debate on arizona but if kelly loeffler dropped her objection on georgia and if holly is dropping his on pennsylvania we may have no more states that you have agreement a between the and the house to object to. that could mean that the prcess will move through smoothly now. i want to turn quickly back to elderly mike mullen, my ie apolagain for interrupting our conversation, we did want to hear what senator holly had t b saause of his role in all of this, and as we say, we're trying to understand what that means. i was about to ask you about international concerns, you were raising questions about any danger posed by president trumpo the remaining 14 days he's in office. and i think it's fair to say that extends to whahe might do on a global front.co

>> i think thaern and specifically judy i know you asked about iran, and that's been you know, our country in the forefront with respect to this administration in terms of focus and in soy was, that's just fine. because iran is still a country very, it's led by a very bad group of people. and they still espouse rhetoric. er day ncouraged the ot when it was turned around and ings seemed to be quieter than they were as he was pulling out a few days ago bknt i this has been an area that the president, his administration is focused on. it is i continue to believe you know, a very dangerous time with respect to that.st i'm juopeful that the tolslity of those individ

around the president can convince him to restrain himself at this particular point in time with respect to taking any action which could spin out of control in that part of the world. i think as far as the globe i concerned, that's probably the hottest point but it is worthy of watch and concern and something that when president elect joe biden gets in he's gog to have to address quickly and very pointedly because iran continue to present a challenge. >> sobering words from the former chairman of the joint mchiefs of staff admirke mullin, very good to see you again and thank you so much fork g with us tonight appreciate it. >> thank you, judy, always good to be th you. >> reporter: and you. we're watching senator bob casey of pennsylvania on the floor of the house democratic senator. 're told that over in the house, the republican leader

kevin mccarthy is on the floor. is that right? is mccarthy on the floor? if so we should listen. >> thank you. looking back on the past few hours, it's clear this congress will not be the same after today. i hope it wil be the better. i hope not just this institution but i hope every american. pauses for that moment thanks among theelves. we can disagree with one another. but not dislike each other. can respect the voiceof

others. many times we debate on this body and weho ld. many times we can geheated. i still consider sendy hoyer a good friend, there's time ice get upset at paul mahome express things i may not seem fair but just. that's the way h we shoundle things. the majority leader is right. we're ericans first. should we also think for a moment what we pt on sial media and convey to one another, because you have a personal ff opinion ent than mine, you have a right to say it. but nobody has a t rigo become a mob. we all should stand united in

condemning the mob together [cheers and applause] we solve problems for our nation not through truction, but debate. that's the hearof this democracy. i know what we debate today is tough. but it's just. it's right. this isn't the first side of the aisle that ever debated this issue. i thought what madam speaker said back in 2005, this is democracy at its best. when they talked about a presidential election in ohio. these are the moments we should raise the issue about integrity and accountability and accuracy in our election. you know what we should do the not just raise the issue but to work togetheolve the

problem [cheers and applause] now is the moment. now is the moment to show america we can work best together. i will tell you the size of the majority is slim but givses u opportunity to make that happen. atthe only thing t can hold us backs the rule of one another to do it. this side of the aisle alays believes working with anybody wants to move it forward. it does not mean we're going to agree 10 of the time. it does not mean our voice cannot be heard. it does not mean we cannot be treated fairly. we should be, it may mean on the size of committees, it means on our ability to offer an amendment. means on our ability to have a voice,t the end of the day, it helps us come to a better conclusion. by returning to complete the work we're sent to do, we're

proving that our democracy caot be disrupted by criminal behavior. we will not falter, bend or shrink from ou duty. let me be clear. mobs don't rule america. laws rule america [cheers and applause] it was true when our cities were burning this summer and it's right now now. when americans go to bed, their lasting memory suld not be a must be a resolute congress , conducting healthy debate. we may not disagree a lot on america, but tonight must show the world we will respectfully but thoroughlca y out the most basic duties of democracy, we will continue with the taskne've been set

here to do. we will follow the constitution and the law and the prcess for hearing valid concerns about election integrity. with respe. respect what you say. and we're willing to listen to it. i think the nation will be better for it on both sides of let's show the country the mob did not win. we have a job to do it. let's do it with pride. and let's be better when the sunrises tomorrow. >> the gentleman from arizona >> madam speaker, r in opposition to the objection. >> judy woodruff: we've bee listening to the house minority leader kevin mccarthy of california. the of course, the leading republican in the house speak

about the vents of today, saying mobs don't rule. america lawsule america. they be he did go on to say we o wentcan't to do our job which the constitution calls on us to do, sayin we need to through the counting of the electoral votes. we'll see where that goes whether he means there will be debate on those objections or not. moments ago, mitt mney has been speaking on the floor of the senate at one point, he accused president trump of being complacent in the event of today when the mob took over the capitol, assaulted the capitol. a woman was killed in the aftermath of that. and we're going to try to bring you senator romney's remarks. notable in particular, because

of senator romney was shouted@an airport as he took off to come to wasngn yestday. and on the plane, the people, the people shouting at him lling him a trader i think we have most of senator romney's remark. >> no congressional audit will ever convince these voters, particularly when the president will continue to say that the election was stolen. best way we can show respect for the voters who are upset is by telling them the truth [cheers and applause]

that's the burden, th duty of leadership. truth is that president elect joe biden won the election, president trump lost. i've had that experience myself, it's no fun. . attorney general state election officials both republican and democrat reached that unequivocal decision. in light of today's circumstances i asked my colleague do weigh our own political fortun more heavily than the strength of our republicanic, the strength of dmrokz and freedom. what's the weight of personal acclaim compared to the weight of conscience, mcconnell said to the votay was the mischiefost important in his 36 years of service. he said that as th vote revealed not sometng about the

election it's because the vote reveals something about us. i urge my coleagues to move forward with completing the electoral count to rfrain from e fuobjections and to unanimously affirm the legitimacy of the presidential elu,tion. thank r. president. >> judy woodruff: senator romney who has been on of the very first republicans to renounce what president trump insisting the election was rigged and that he was robbed of the election that he actuly won. senator romney has been saying from the beginning he was one of the first to senator republican members of congress to congratulate joe biden on his victory. he has stuck to that position. he been a lone figure for many

weeks until now there are more republicans joning him. a few moments ago, senator romney said that president trump is com play sit. >> you've been there all day and into the night. teresting developments taking place around people who work in e administration of this president but questioni their role any longer. president pence ris limit when he said he would not disrupt the count of the congress. now what we're seeing is a number of h whise officials looking at the violence that is a consequence of president trump's false accusations, false claims of voter fraud saying th can no longer work here. the people that we've now seen

leave are stephanie grisham, the first lady's chief of staff, a long-time aid for president trump, worked on the presidential campaign, all the way back in 2015 ww the white house social seretary resign, whsse house deputy pre secretary sara matthews is gone. and there are some reports we haven't confirmed all of them. but reports that possibly the national security advisor robert o'brien is thinking of leaving as well as his depties. there are reports that elaine chow the transportation secretary and wife of mitch mcconnell o delivered a elistering speech against president trump ric and his claims, she's also possibly thinking about leaving. what we see is a whi house that is now bleeding staffers that is filled with people who anve looked at president trump's actions todai should say his inaction, in ability to como before cameras really have a robust response to this. and say they k can no longer w at this white house. i should note as all of this is

happening, you're seeing social media companies trying to limit the communicat president trump. twitter said they will lock h account 12 hours and possibly permanently ban him because he's continuing to spread misinformation, facebook said he will not be able to 24 hours, also being locked out of instagram. all of the ways that president trump has communicated to the american people without going through the media are no bwing taken away from him because these companies much like white house sffers are saying, the president has gone too far. >> judy woodruff: there's also been conversation about the cabinet, the president's cabinet having conversations about invoking the 25th amendment to o thstitution, which, of course, allowsor the removal ofhe president. what are you hearing? what kind of reporting are you hearing about that? there was a report earlier today that the -- that there were groups urging vice president pence to have those co ersations with cabinet members. we know tonight the vice

president is at the capitol prsiding over the senate they carry on this debate, the debates. >> yamiche alcindor: i talked to some officials that say there's rly disssions of 25th amendment mainly because people are wonderino whether or president trump can go on 14 days but nothing formally presented to vice president pence is there are people close to the president who feel like he's "lost it. people telling me he's living in a reality created of his own doing and surrounded himself with people loyal and who are not challenging him. someone also told me today, judy on to power by an means to hold necessary. meaning at it doesn't matter to him that there are windows being broken at the u.s. capitol, people being shot in the capitol, the headquarters of the congress, he's more concerned about holding on to those people who have come to the capitol, holding on to his supporters than he is making sure that the government of unt

ed states, the headquarters in dc, that we are all safe in the ci, what we see from the president is someone who is cu d solely on staying in power. solely on his own political fortune and people around m stuck with him through all sorts of chaos, who are finally i think getting to the point where ey're genuinely scared. i've not heard people around the d esident sound as concer they have sounded today. and that's saying a lot becausee e lived through all sorts of things with this president. y woodruff: i don't eve know what to say in response to what you just said yamiche. it's astonishing at the least. that there are people saying the president would do aything to hold on to power. we're, we think ofta dicr ships, countries around the worl that don't havenything close to at a democracy. they don't counts votewhere their leaders stay in power as e long as y feel like it. whether russia i could name any

number of the countries where the person in power in no way answers to the people oft tha country. and to hear you say that there are people around the president of the united states of america who believe that he would do anything to stay in power is ming. alar >> yamiche alcindor: it is alarming and there are people telling me that the president is looking at the people wh stormed the capitol and in some ways he doesn't want the capitol to be completely destroyed but in some ways theyell me the president is feeling as though he's being justified in his outrage that these are people that are essentially having his back because judy these are people who listen to the president. he did come before them and spook for more than an hour anda now we'll go to the capitol and fight and not concede. there are people who are looking at this and saying this is what the president wanted essentially he didn't want, of course, someone die,t he also wanted real mayhem, he wanted ch

this could botic. a melee, he wanted these things to happen and for everything to be up ended and top the process. i will also note that there is k bout what happens next when it comes legally i've been talking to bin transition officials telling me there could be multiple investigations into what we all witnessed day. they said the fbi could be involved. they said thedistrict of columbia could launch its investigation the house oversight committee could look t at the invation, there's talk about some protesters that arrested and biden transition t officials are telling me that the fbi could take up to a year to arrest these people. but there's all sorts of photos and videos.pe even thougle have not been arrested tonight. could be arrested in the future ere are civil rights activists saying so many, hundreds got arrested when they were peacefully protesting e, police violeo it was striking to see some of these people walk out of the u.s. capitol and not be in handcuffs. >> judy woodruff: a lot of

reporting tonight about how few arrests there have been given the mayhem. but and that is sothing we want to report on, but yamiche i'm coming back to what you said just before that, when you cited people around the president saying he wand there to be mayhem, he wanted there to be a melee which means he didn't care if people were hurt. so again, i'm just left speechless betweenhat and the earlier, your comment a few minutes ago when you said he's prepared to do whatever it takes to hold on to power. there are a number of people who would say that's what it looks ke but to hear you say that there are people around the president who know him, who a -- who are saying that to you, o er, is pretty -- it's beyond disturbing. >> yamiche alcindor: very disturbing. i talked to a number of official whose used all sorts of worst,

disappointing, alarming, scary, unhinged out of control, these are people stood by the president that stood by him and saying he's some howrunk on power, we've seen this in other countries whre frankly immigrants come to america to try tovoid this type of leadership when you see someone so focusedn power he's willing to sacrifice his own citizens of his country and now we're see.g ons. soil a president willing to stay in power in some was justify people violently break ongoing the capitol. we heard the president today, yes, he did say he wanted peace but we have to really also point out that the prd sident saiat he loves these people he feels their pain, they're special people. those are the words of the president. that's why you hear people around the preasidentng they're scared because the president continue get around to quite condemning fully these people. he can't gt around sayg stop it completely you're completely wrong you should not have done

this, instead he's in some ways hedging and justifying parts of this while trying to hold on to. po >> judy woodruff: he hasn't condemned them at all. he said please, stop. we don't want anybody else to get urt but as you said he goes on to praise them. and to say that they'reood people, special people. singling them out for praise when what they've done is break thelaw. and in an hinge move, taken down the capitol in effect. running through itcapitol, freely. walking through the chambers of the house and the senate. and again, putting themselves and others at risk and the shooting that we now know led to the death of one woman. so it's -- it's beyond -- it was something we knew that there

would be anger tody, yamiche. we knew there were people comini to wton frustrated. they've been accepting president trump's conacsptheories something went wrong in the election but i don't think to happen.ected this was going they would take over the capitol. clearly they weren't ready because there wasn't enough security to keep them out. and that's how events happen to unfold. pamiche i'll let you go and continue your reorting. i think we're ready to go back to the floor. am i right? i'm trying to -- lisa pull togeth what were hearing from both the house and senater in terms of whetu expect there to be more ot objections tr state electoral votes counts besides arizona, which is whatthey're technically debating now lisa

desjardins: that's itical question. talking to my sources i do not who tells me firmly that this e will be the only objection. that includes sources with the reached out some senators e fices, so i want to be careful what i say, this is based on my reading what i heard from senator holly and loeffler, the two senators designated to object to the remaining states, pennsylvania and georgia. you said this after we heard from the senats. my reading of their remarks is that they are very unlikely. loeffler will not object. question is then, does someone else object to georgia and does senator hoy object o pennsylvania? my reading is that he's likely ll not. ve his remarks. gave his thoughts about the vote in pennsylvania t they're s portion of the debate. my reading is that it is eunlikely that w will have further objections after this

one,eminder to evryone about what will happen here, i've been asking how much time is left on the cloc for both the house and senate for the debate. i ink the senate should be getting pretty close to running out of debate tim after that they go to a vote on this objection. whether to sustain the objection or not. now, that could take some time because we're doing covid an precaution frankly, any vote in the senate takes time h going throe u.s. senate. they do a roll call i'ldil pre 20 to to 30 minutes, then the house will take longer they wili be v in covid formation, that could take an hour. i think what i'm getting at here i'm starting to see hopes for a horizon for when this very long day ends. of course, we still need to m confat there will be no further objections. but my reding is tat is the

mood of the chambers. that is what i'm getting from the remarks, these are not sharp protests of the election, if anything, i feel like the e objectors nd of checking a box to say that they did thisi . that are ready tmove on.rs >> judy woodruff: that's the question i had because as you point out. kelly loeffler is now said she's withdrawing her objection given what happened today, shmade it fairly brief. but it was a clear statement she's no longer going to pursue this. with senator holly it was a little more difficult to discern but it was noticed thate made a point of bringing up pennsylvania, the fact that the state changed its law around mail-in ballots afr years and years of saying, mil-in around mail-in balhey made rules it much easier this year due to the pandemic and he said this is something we need to look at as a body. said something to the effect

i hope we can come together and look. which sounded to me as if he was saying i'm dealing with that now,erhaps he was saying i won't be bringing up the formalo obje lisa desjardins: there's no reason he would be doing it twice. in this circumstance. this kind of psrobl an hitoric crisis at the u.s. capitol. feels to me unlikely he would do that twice. he has put out condemning the violence. headed.that's where we're one of the things judy you remember talking to yamiche and great reporting on what's going ject at the white house, which is also eye popping. here there are the beginnings of conversations that had a few sources contact me. saying they're trying to weigh this concept of whether the president should be removed. now, whether by the 25th impeachment seems hat's effort unlikely for timing reason

but there is some back and forth thinking of whether a removal ot this presiow and i can't believe i'm talking about this, but whether the removal of this president could actually inflame things at this moment. that it could actually feed into his idas, and the ideas of people who camto thiscapitol that erroneous that there's a plot against president. now, i don't think these conversations are settled. but i think that's something now. is uer discussion right ofrse, congress does not have power of the 25th amendment removal. that's up to the cabinet. however many members are in touch with the cabinet secretaries. what's happening is all of washington is kinof thinking rough this r these issues together quietly and for now i don't know how it will -- feels like it's moving quckly but it could slow down again.: >> judy woodruo question a lot of washington conversation around that and as you mentioned

closess between the capitol and members of the president's cabinet. no closer relationship i believe it's fair to say than senate mitch mcconnell who is married to a member of the trump cabin elaine chol e secretary of labor. let's listen to a little bit on the senate floor, this is the senator from the state o maryland, let's listen. chris van holland. >> get the economy going again, challeing issues o racial and social justice. i hope we will learn from what happened today the mob attack on this capitol, the price we pay when we don't stand up for the truth and for democracy. james mchenry, maryland's delegate to the constitutional convention wrote about a famous exchange in his diaries between elizabeth powell and benjamin franklin. wrote, a lady asked dr. franklin, well, doctor what have

we got a re public or monday are key? a re publliic, rep dr. franklin. if you can keep it. my col leagues this istest of whether we're united to keep a re public, i hope will pass the test together. thank you. >> management leader. >> i yield up to five minutes from the senator from south carolina, senator graham. >> senatofrom south carolina. >> many times my state has been the problem i. love it's where i want to die but no time soon. him and i have good relationship. i love tim scott. 1876. south carolina, louisiana and florida sent two toelec, had two governments, by the way, and

we didn't know what to do. why did south carolina, florida and louisiana do it? to hold the country hostage to end reconstruction. it worked. the commission was 8-7. it didwork. nobody accepted it. the way it ended is wh haze did a deal with these three states, you give me the electors, i'll keep the union army out. the rest is it led to jim crow. you're looking for historical guidance, this is not the one to pick. if you'rlooking for a way to convince people there was no fraud, having a commission na chosen bcy pelosi, mitch mcconnell and john roberts is notgo g to get you to where you want to go.

it ain't going to work. it's not going to do any good. it's going to delay.it gives credibto a dark chapter of our history, that's y i'm not with you but i will fight to my death to you. you can object. you're not doing anything wrong. other people objected. i thk it's a uniquely bad idea to delay this election. trump and i have had a helof a journey. i hate to it end this way. but today, first thing you'll see, all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. i've tried to be helpful. when wisconsin supreme court ruled 4-3 that they didn't violate the constitution of wisconsin, i agree with the three but i accept the four, if al gore can accept 5:4, he's not president, i can accept

wisconsin 4-3, pennsylvania. went to the second circuit. so much foall the judges being in trump's pocket. they said no, you're wrng, i accept the pennsylvania second circuit that trump's lawsuit one georgia they said the secretary of state took the law in his hands changed the election laws unlawfully. ale a federal judge said no, i accept the fedeudge even though i don't agree with it. fraud. theythere's 66,000 people in georgia under 18 voted. how many people believe that? i asked give me ten. i they had one, 8,000 felons in prison in voted give me ten, hadn't gotten one. does thas say theroblems in every election, i don't buy this. ough is enough. we got to end it.si vice pnt pence. what they're asking you to do you won't do. because you can't. talk about interesting times.

i associate myself with rand paul how many times will you hear that? the mob has done something nobody else could do. to get med an rand to agree. rand is right. if you're a conservative this is the most defensive time that a single person candis end franchise 155 million people. the president said it shall in the presee of the senate in the house of representatives open all certificates and the votes shall then be counted the person having the greatest number shall be president. where in does it say i don't like the reswults iant to send them back i believe there's fraud. for the conservatives who believe in the constn, now is your chance to stand up and be counted. originalism count me in. means what it says. so mike, mr. vice president.

hang in there. they said, all ofns ca count on the vice president. you'll going to do the right thing, the constitutional thing t a son-in-law flies f18s,to they're flyine get it right here. people are dying my good friendm llinois to make sure we have a chance to argue among ourselves and when it's over, it over, it is over. final thing, joe biden, i've treled the world with jo. i hoped he lost prayed he would lose he won. he's a legitimate president of the united stai s of america. nnot convince people certain groups, on words but i will tell you by my action. that maybe i among above all others in this body ned to say this.

joe biden and kamala harrisre lawfully elected and will become the president and the vice president pence of the united states on january 20th. >> i yield back to balance our time. >> time is expired. the question is shall the objection submitted by the gentleman from arizona mr. go sar and the is for from texas, mr.uz crnd others be sustained? is there a second? there is. call th.roll >> ms. baldwin.

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mr. cassidy. ms. collins. mr. koons. mr. corn in. miss pour tes masto. mr. cotton. . kramer. mr. crapo. mr. cruz. mr. >> no. ms. ernst. >> woodruff: we are listening to a vote on the objection raised by senator cruz and house members to counting the electoral vote from the state of arizona. so far the only no that i've hear-- or yes, i shld say, the only yes i've heard t