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captioning sponswsed by neur productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on theewshour tonight, chaos at the capitol-- the nation begins the process orecovery after a violent mob of insurrectionists, inspired by the president, storm the building in a failed attempt to halt the approval of president- elect biden's victory. then, removing the president-- calls to expel mr. trump from office through the 25th amendment or impeachment grow spectrum.ross the political then, law and disorder-- the ease with which the president's followers breached police protections of the capitol prompts widespread demand for answers. plus, race matters-- we examine
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the contrast between law enforcement's handling of the violent mob in comparison to the heavy-handed tactics so often anotests for racial justice. the world reacts-- the assault on the capitol by trumpp ting extremists elicits widespread condemnation from across the globe. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by:
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>> woodruff: the fallout from a day of fury in washington is still very much in the a tonight. congress has confirmed joe biden's election as esident, but questions linger about the assault on the u.s. capitol, and about what price president tru might pay. john yang begins our coverage. >> yang: outside the u.s. capitol today, police and national guard patrolled the grounds, while inside, workers cleaned up the debris left behind by the violent pro-trump mob that had seized thol of american democracy. today, washington, d.c,. mayor muriel bowser accused president trump of inciting the attack. >> we must not underestimate the damage he n do to our nation and our democracy over the next two weeks. be held accountable. who must so too must the domestic terrorists who stormed the
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capitol and threatened members of congress. wh textbook terrorism. is >> yang: in wilmington,la re, president-elect joe biden denounced the mob violence. >> what weitnessed yesterday was not dissent. it was not disorder.st it was not pro it was chaos. they weren't protesters. ern't dare call them prote they we a riotist mob, insurrectionists, domestic terrorists. it's that basic. it's that simple. see it coming, but that isn't't true.>> t the white house, press >> those who vuntly besieged our ite ofl are the opp everything this administration stands for. the core value of our administration is the ida that all citizens have the right to
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live in safety, peace, and freedom. those who are working in this buildi are working to ensure an orderly transition of power. >> she icnord questions about why the president didn't deliver the statement. throughout washington the shockwaves >> yang: throu the shockwaves reverberated: elaine chao quit as transportation secretary. the wife of senate republican leader mitch mcconnell said what the president's supporters did" deeply troubled me in a way that i simply cannot set aside"e ea mick mulvaney, the president's special ivoy to northeland and former acting white house chief of staff, resigned. >> i can't stay here.er not after yey. you can't look at that yesterday and think that i want to be a part of that in any way shapor >> yang: there were other lower- level resignations, including matt pottinger, the national security council's asia spialist. and stephanie grisham, the first lady's chief of staff and former white house press secretary and communications director.
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hours after acting department of homeland security secrary chad wolf said he "implored the president to strongly coemn the violence that took placei" the prest withdrew his nomination. anwilliam barr, one of president trump's staunchest defenders when he was attorney general, slammed his former boss, saying: "orchestrating are mob to pure congress is inexcusable." from places ranging from the national association of manufacturers to senate democratic leader chuck schumer: calls to the cabinet and vice president mike pence to invoke the 25th amendment to theti consti to remove president trump from office. >> if there were no president trump, this would not have happened plain and simple. the fish stinks from the head and so i believe the president is dangerous and should not hold office one day longer. >> yang: house speaker nancy pelosi said if adminisn
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officials didn't act, lawmakers may.ce >> if the resident and cabinet do not act, the congress may be prepared move forward with impeachment. >> yang: officials said the four-hour siege of the capitol resulted ifour deaths-- including a woman shot by capitol police as a mob erapproached the house cha the officer who shot her has been placed administrative leave. rioters stormed thugh the halls of congress, some looting offices, carrying away a lectern and a letter for speaker pelosi's office. when order was restored, lawmakers returned to the duty at han counting the electoral votes to finalize president- elect biden's victory. >> let's get back to work. >> yang: while some senators said the events of the day changed their minds abou challenging the outcome, others, including missouri rcan josh hawley, pressed ahead.
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>> this body will t to address the concerns of all americans across the country. we do need an investigation into irregularities, fraud. y g: but even one of the president's strongest congressional allies, senator lindsey graham of south carolina, disagreed. >> i among any, above all others joe biden and kamala harris, are lawfully elected and will become the president and the vice president of the united states on january the 20. >> yang: in the house. >> there will be order in the house! >> yang: tempers flared when lamocratic pennsylvania congressman cono blamed called republicack on what he just before 4:00 this morning, the joint session of cofgress made ici: >> the announcement of the state of the ve by the president of the senate shall be deemed a sufficient dlaration of the persons elected president and vice president of the united states.oo >> yn after, president trump issued a statement that
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repeated his baselesms of a stolen election but finally vowed: "there will be an orderly transition on january 20th." the president's social media director had to send it out because twitter temporarily locked his account for inciting disinformation about the election. today, facebook said it was barring mr. trump from posting on its platform at least until he leaves office, which could leave this social media president without a key means of airing his grievances in his final days in the white house. for e pbs newshour, i'm john >> woodruff: so what now for this president, and the final yamiche alcindor has beenon? tracking the fallout at thewh e house, and lisa desjardins is tracking the fallout on capitol hill, from yesterday's shocking e we thank you both for being here, and, again, for extraordinary reporting yesterday. so, yamiche-- or lisa, to you first.ar we in john's report, the
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leaders, democratic leaders of both the house an the senate impeached.r the president to be how serious is this talk on the hill? >> reporter: i think that it's to be detmined, judy. among the factors, there are questions about what vicet, presidormer vice president and incoming president bidento wanto. but the timeline is really the big issue. for president trump, and thece senate trial of president trump last year, that took 49 days. but let's go through exactly what could happen if an impeachment were to happen at its fastest possible pace. now, impeachment can-- articles can come immediately to the house for. they do not have to go through the committee process, though that is what usually happeth. e is the option to bring it immediately to the floor. now, then it would go to that senate trial. as i said, it took days from the house to the finish of the senate last timbue. senate trials can take just
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days, if the senate really wants to, or weeks.th there is an question here. some at the capitol are asking can the president be impeached after he leaves office? one of the nalties of impeachment is that it prohibits a president from ever runningce for of again. that is something that some republicans in the senate would like to see, and it's something of there is a possibility that impeachment aftece would do that. however, it's never been tested. it's not clear if congress has that power or not. and there's another issue, judy. the senate moving to democratic control, when will thaen? elected democratic senators will be certified by the state of georgia. that could happen, i'm told, any time from tomorrow until january . but once they are certified, the senate will be 50-50. the tie-breaking vote will be vice president pence until january 20. so the senate remains republican
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majority until joe biden becomes president. so any sena tte trial andhe time of it would be governed and determined by mitch mcconnell. >> woof: tricky, just in-- >> reporter:i i guess i should sum up, there are so many questions, we just don't know. >> woodruff: we're glad you're following it every day between w and when it becomes clear. now to you, yamiche, we also heard these calls in john's mostly democrats for theing from 25th amendment to the constitution to be invoked. what is the real likelihood of that happening? and, frankly, how muchesupport does president have inside his own administration? >> reporter: in the aftermath of the violent mob scenes that we saw on capitol hill and the presidenting aing his supports on, tensions at the white house are as high as they have ev been with people inside the white house, allies of president
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trump, people who work for the president, openly talking about the 25thanmendment of course others streaming out of the white house, resigning by the dozens, or talking about resigning by the dozens. now we now seen eight resignations at leas and each of these people are people saying what they saw yesterdayva is mong them to leave the administration, and the president's action troubled them enough to publicly break with the pree dent. there ritics who say some of these people are leaving too lastl people are king about elaine chao other ands who left the administration after, of cours years of people criticizing the president. that being said, what we see here is a white house thais also on defense. we saw the white house press she said this is the opposite of this white house. but there are people that areta ing about the fact that the president, of course, was at a rally telling people to go to the capitol. n' she didtake any responsibility for the president's own word. she didn't ta responsibility for the president's own actions. i will say, i have been talking
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to pple who say the vice president is a bit reluctant, heey think, to try to come up with 25th amendment, which would take pence and a majorityf cabinet coming together to decide that the president is unfit. they would then be able to send a letter tongress. president trump could push back on that with his own letter. it would be somewhat convolud. there are people who say the timing of this with president trump only in office for ather two eks is problematic. the big sense is the president is angry and isolated and facing people within his own government who do not think he is fit for office at this point. >> woodruff: and just quickly, yamich separately from tha you have republicans, very critical of the president, whether they're call for him tom beed or not, but they're criticizing him. what are you hearing about what they're saying ab'st how h navigating all this and his role in whate haned? >> reporter: the biggest question i heard from republicans talking to them all day today was what is the path forward? you have peoplwho are
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staunchly in president trump's corner with sarah palin, the former vice president nominee. you have others, like john d lly, the former chief of staff, who saiesident trump is flawed and said the cabinet .hould be meeting to remove him so there are big questions for the g.o.p. and you have joe biden coming into office saying that the president, this is all a culmination of the president's hations. so you democrats looking at the g.o.p. and saying that is a party that's i ruins. that's a party that should be broken up so there's a lot of nervousness there. >> woodruff: lisa, back to you. a lot of discussion today about the security or lack orif se at the capitol yesterday. what is your reporting telling you about what ople a saying about that, what miebt repercussions from that? >> reporter: we expect leadership changes now. house speaker nancy pelosi has called for the resignation of this person, capitol police chief steven sund. capitol police have se an increased turnover in capitol
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police. he would be the forth capitol police chief in, i believe, eight yea srs, toerve. now, also, being asked to resign by speaker pelosi, house sergeant at arms, rvpauling, also in charge of security of that chamber, and being asked to resign or threatened being fired sergeant arms, mike stenger.nate these are the key security officis along with the arc tesk capitol. obviously a the loof questioli. capitol day to day mostly deal with tourists and i have had many sources y they prepare for threats like armed this was a group, protest groups, many sources said to mda the fact that this group was given a permanent to protest within a football field-length of the u.s. capitol, and the police assumed it would be people on the gro dealave enough with them. >> woodruff: it's a story that
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there is so much conversation about what went wro, . lican tell you, just in the minute you have been talking i'm hearing that reliably,e now have confirmed that the capitol police chief has resigned effective now. fast-moving stories.e are lisa desjardins, yamiche alcindor, thank you both. >> woodruff: representative, madeleine democrat from pennsylvania, is one of a growing number of lawmakers calling for presidt trump's cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment to remove him from office, or for congress to impeach him again, and this time convict him. she's a member of the judiciary committee and she joins us now
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from washington. congresswoman dean, thank you so much for joining us. and before i ask you about thatk i do want tohow you are. we saw your own tweets and those of your sonleesterday wyou were in hiding. it was such-- it seemed li experience.ly harrowing >> thank you for asking. and i am fine. i am well. i am safe. and i'm sorry, i'm sorry that my family was so worried. i'm sorry that staff was put at peril and rsk. i'm sad for our country that yesterday's disgraceful actions took place. but i am fine, an if anything, judy, i am more determined than evero make differences to the good. >> wdruff: and why is that?ab what was iut yesterday that gives you that determination? >> you know, we saw-- in the morning, we saw the president at a rally at the white house, what i think of as lighting a fuse, a
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fuse that was built along liesat and disinfon that he spewed for the last four-plus years and that others, both in the legislature, the house, and the senate, contributed to, and in his administration. it made me so sad to sit-- i was in the gallery at the time of ell the insurrection and th attempted coup. ourmade me so sad for country. but i will tell you, over the course of the hours of the day, i and evrybody else was determined to get back into that chamber that had been so violently pierced. i call it a cathedral of our democracy. i was so determined to get back there and finish our civic duty and make sure that we certified the election of joe biden, which we did. >> woodruff: and now we e, congresswoman dean, you and-- as of now, i see a 50-some other democrats in the house calling on the president be removed
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by the 25th amendment or by impeachment. but when it comes to the th amendment, what's-- what's-- is that something that you think is realistic? i meanwhy focus on that at this point? >> well,hif i tk of the 25th amendment and the invoking of it, i can think of no worse scenario that would call upon us, demand us, command us to invoke the25th amendment. he is unable, unfit to discharge his duties as president as horrifically evidenced yesterday. what more do we need? he put this democracy-- he has over time put this democracy at peril. last night on the floor i defending the pennsylvania slate ofex lerktors, all they had a chance to make eloquent arguments. i chose to quote johnewis. he said democracy is not a state. it is an act.
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what we do as citizens, elected or otherwise, the acts that weke o build our democracy matter, and what this president he's wor to tear down ourposite. democracy. he is a threat to our peaceful existence and the world is watching. >> woodruff: and at th 12, 13 days leftin his time as-- president, i guess my question , is it realistic? we're hearing-- we just heard our yamiche alcind reporting the vice president leaning against invoking the 25th amendment. if you don't have him onboard, more than half the cabinet, you can't get it done. that means you'd be talking about congress impeaching. we know what a long, drawn-out process that is. >> well, we know that we're very handicapped by the failed leadership of thi administration. viceresident pence has been close up to this administration and knows better than you and i how unfit this president is.
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in fact, we also have the cotlication of a cabinet is in disarray. people are jumping ship. membership of them are no confirmed by the senate. but the congress can play a role invoking the 25th amendment, if only we had some leadership frovice president pence. but what you heard from speaker tools at our disposal, are other emergency, urgent tools, break-the-glass tools like impeach this president again. ter speed.e with gr i'm still here in d.c. i'm hoping we will be called back into session very, very quickly to move forward with either the 25th amendment or impeachment. if not, i don't know the legal possibilit mof both. th is an extraordinary great threat to our democcy. i-- i have to tell you how terrifying yesterday was, terrifying for us as ation, not so much terrifying for me. it didn't seem quite real, een though it was quite real, when
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they pierced the chamber of the house. but it was terrifying for our nation. the threat i now. it is urgent. it is past due. i call upon vice predent pence to invoke the 25th amendment. failing that, we should immediately impeach. >> woodruff: what is your fear that the president might do between now and january 20? >> well, i never imagined, judy, frankly, yesterday. we all imagined diruption and chaos and protests. but, clearly, that wasot protests. iit would be wrong to call that. that was insurrection. that was an attempted coup incited by the president. the president has responsibilities and relationshiprelationships for fd relationships around the globe. so i worry internationally what mischief he might cause. i certainlorry about his pardon power. 's irresponsibly invoket already. this man is desperate. he knows that he is criminally
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liable in many othceer plawhen he walks out that door. so i don't even want to think of the nightmare scenarios of the havoc he could wreak. he's already wreaked great havoc in our institutions, in our law enforcement, in thetment of justice. there's much, much more damage d he co at his fintertips. we need to move sw.ft and i'm calling upon my colleagues in the house, our colleagues in the seate, v president pence, and this cabinet-- do what is right for this cou. protect our democracy. it's precious. it's fragile. it's up tos u. >> woodruff: what do you see-- how do you see the culpability of republicans in the congress who are supporting this president, who went so far in last few days to object to joe biden's electoral vote success?
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>> thanks for asking me that. i've tried really to process it, judy. i'veeen in congress just one term, just beginning my second, judiciary through hment and so many other important piece of legislation. i've tried to process it. so yesterday as i went into the chamber, a little after 1:0 in the afternoon and the arguments began around arizona, i stood ere almost with my hand over my mouth, hearing their arguments that were so false, and they know did. they were willingly spewing untruths, stoking fea stoking ignorance, smearing others. and all i could say-- and i stood next to my colleague dean phillips and i said, "shame." and i heard him say, "shame." we said, "shame, shame." insurrection.re the before the attempted coup. i do not understand my colleagues. one thing i read about was
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rgaret chase smith. if you remember she was an important figure, a republican congresswoman who stood up during the mccarthy era, and she caed upon her-- and i'm going to paraphrase this-- she called about her republican colleagues and said, "you can't search for victory, political victory by riding the four horsemenment. she called them fear and ignorance and bigot we and smear. you can't want to ride to victory on that four horsemen. republican colleaare you willing to do that? are you willing to sell your soul for political victory? i call upon them to reject that and shed that. woodruff: representativ madeleine dean of pennsylvania, thank you very much. >> thank you, judy.
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>> woodruff: as lisa med, there are serious questions anday about the security i around the capitol, and why there wasn't better preparatden and plans head of time william brangham examines how the law t disorder. >> we're going to wa down to the capitol af>> brangham: just momentr the president's speech, thousands of his supporters were on the move down pennsylvania avenue. at around 1:00 p.m., the mob forced its way throu barricades in front of the capitol, and past a line of capitol police officers. there were scuffles, but social media video appeared to show officers opening the fencing in at least one location. the rioters then pushed up the steps on both sides of the capitol building, banging on doors, breaking windows. around 2:00 p.m., the capitol had been breach >> this is our country, this is our house. that's it.
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>> brangham: outnumbered members of the capitol police force were unable to contain them. in one stairwell, a single officer was left to try and fend off an oncoming crowd. but elsewhere, streaming footage showed an officer seeminglyki ng a selfie with a rioter.en with many lawmakers evacuated, the group roamedhr freelygh the historic halls of congress: the rotunda, statuary hall, the senate chamber. intruder sitting ae desk of the storming of thpitoli. turned deay when a capitol lice officer shot a woman who was allegedly trying to enter the house chambers, where some u.s. representatives were still sheltering. eventually, the rioters began filing out of the capil building, some walking past a man who appears to be a lice officer who didn't arrest or even stop them. by about:0p.m., officials
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declared the capitol complex secure. the incident has raised sharp questions from both sides of the aisle about what went wrong. how is that the 2,000-member capitol police allowuch a dangerous breach at the heart of the federal government. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called for a" painstaking investigation" and said, "yesterday represented a massive failure of institutions, protocols, and plaing that are suosed to protect the firs branch of our federal vernment." representative tim ryan, democrat from ohio, chairs the dsubcommittee that funds oversees the capitol police. >> i think it's pretty clear that there's going to be a number to be without employment very, very soon. because thisens an embarras both on behalf of the mob and the president, and the insurrection and the attempted coup, but also the
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lack of professional planning and aling with what we knew was going to occur. >> brangham: a former chief of gainer, spoke to ¡today'ance show. >> clearly there are failures. there has to be a lot of questions asked and answers given. what is very clear is the police underestimated the violent cro eid the size of it and overestimated ability to control it. >> brangham: but in a statement, the current capitol police chief steven sund defended his" heroic" officers, 15 of wm were hospitalized with injuries, one critically. he said the "attack" was unlike anything he's experienced, and that the dartment is" conducting a thorough review of this incident, security planning and policies and procedures." the widespread criticism also centered on the treatment of this crowd, which was almost all-white, compared to the
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tactics used by police forces protesters.n black andrown many pointed to the violent law forcement crackdowns on racial justice protesters this summer in washingn, d.c. and around the country. the associed press reported more than 10,000 people were arrested in protests between the end of may and the startf newly elected miss democratic cgresswoman cori bush was a leader of the 2ve4 protests or the police killing of mhael brown in ferguson. >> had we as black people did the same things that hpened today with the police, had we fought with sts police officers? the reaction would have en different, we would have been laid out on the ground, there hauld have been there woul been shootings, there would have been people in jail. there would have been people beat with batons. and i know becau i've been there. >> brangham: a senior law enforcement official rejects the accusation that there was any
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racial bias behind what haened yesterday. this official told the newshour that the capitololice were clearly caught by surprise by the size and violence of the mob avat broke into the capitol, and that they didn'tenough manpower or reinforcements. this official also said they couldn't make mass arrests sosterday because they wer outnumbered, but promised more arrests would be coming. office in washington, d.c. said they've filed 40 cases, mostly for unlawful entry, but some assault and weapons charges, and said those were just t beginning. the d.o.j. also confirmed thate two explosvices had been found and neutralized near the capitol yesterday. for the pbs newshour, i'm william brangham.
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>> woodruff: there are a number of questions todaybout president trump; how he stoked the mob at the capitol and if he is fit to sit behind the oval office. amna nawaz now talks to a man who held a key role in the trump administration on how he sees this moment and the road ahead. >> nawaz: for seven months, kevin mcaleenan served in president trump's cabinet as acting secretary of homeland security, the agency responsible he joins me now for the first time since resigning in november 2019. you for making the time. let's start with the events we've been reporting on and the world was watching yesterdatc as you were ng that unfold i found, like most americans, the sijutuatio incredibly appalling upon central and corer
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deic processes. and temporarily succeasssful ult, just very difficu, very hard to watch. at the same time, we-- i thinkso we ahould note that we saw our institutions whole. we saw our congressional leaders rern to the capitol to completeet process, to do their jobs throughout,the nigh and to count the votes and to certify the election victory of president-elect joe biden and vice president-elect kamala harris. i think it's very imporwhnt to see the scope of the day. >> nawaz: when you look at what happened and how quickly it happened and how as youly we saw from outside the protesters breached the barriers, made their way into the capol. a thloof people are wondering, where is law enforcement. where is d.h.s we knew people would be descending on the capital. we heard the words th president had been delivering them. shouldn't there have been emor robust force there to meet that threat? >> yeah, i think there were streally important quens raised in the last segment.
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i think leader mcconnell's investigation on take institutional and planning-- i want to focus on that wornnd "pg failure." it's a complicated jurisdiction environment for law enforcement and d.c. bueit's also one whre we see marches, inaugurations, state of the union happen with security and very smoothly every year. and that's due to great planning, due to leadership, one the agency put in charge, and coordination so you have the support and the backup force, a civil disturbance unit on call, d-reaction force what i saw yesterday were those elements were not in pla. there had to be a failure of intelligence in terms of predicng that that group was going to be that size and it was going to head toward the capitol. was a very determined group that attacked the capitol from all sides, an incredibly challenging law enforcement situation, that we should not-- >> nawaz: pardon the leinterruption. me ask you, when you talk about intelligence, what more
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intelligence do you think is necessarou these were g talking about a revolution on social media for weeks. you have seen previous protesters who followed the president's words and attacked state houses during the lockandn the pandemic. why shouldn't federal officials have expected would go the way it did? >> yes, so my understanding from talking to former colleagues they were prepared for violence, violence between rioters and counter-protesters who we have seen recently in wasngton, d.c. but not that organized approach on the capitol. should they have predicted tha probably. i agree with you, you have to look at the sources of organization online, at what th groups alking about, and some of that rhetoric was very dangerous approaching this political rally that became a riot. >> nawaz: you mentioned the rhetoric. do you think that presidenns trump is resle for what happened yesterday? >> i-- i think that his rhetoric created a dangerous situation, inviting that group to d.c.,
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talking about going down to the capitol, you know, we've seen that in the past where presidential words matter. we've heard leaders - president-elect biden, commentators of both parties talk about the importance of communication from that white house on what's acceptable and what's not. and, yes, after thet, we've heard calls that violence is never acceptable any protest movement exercising first amendment rights. but when it becomes at, riohen it becomes an assault on a democratic process, it'sac obviously ptable. and i'm afraid rhetoric helped inire it andreate the circumstances that it arose from. ns nawaz: but if his words matter, if they red a riot, if it's an attack on our tomocratic process, is the president fierve? do you think that his cabinet should be taking steps to remove him? >> well, i tnk the constitution has processes defined for that in the 25 amendment. there is significant reporting, including on your show this evening, that c members are actively considering that, in conversations with the hill.
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but i think the ultimate-- >> nawaz: do you eyink should move forward with that? >> well, the ultimate verdict s issued by the american people in november and it's less realized, and the transition now certain with the votes counted, but i think the people in the chairs are best suited to make that decision based on the facts presented to themaw >>: i have to ask you, you have been very quiet since you left. you haven't spoken out very ofteur and during yenure the president often said things or tweeted things or took action at a lot of people said why aren't people close to him speaking out? why are you speakingout right now? >> i'm talking about these ink annts because i assault on our democracy is simply beyond the pale. as a career official coming up through the ranks, surprised to be offered a political appointment to lead an agency that i treasured at c.b.p., and then depar security, to solve a crisis at the time.
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you know, i wasa civil servant. i considered that you have to support and defend the serve and you have the ability to do so, you should try. i wrestled with speaking out before and after i departed. did resign, due to concerns about the politicization of law enforcement and the dangers that presented to our i made that decision 15 months ago. but, you know, it's difficult now seeing the potential long-term impact of a situaon like yesterday to not come out anstate how unacceptable it is and that there must be account act across the board. >> nawaz: that is former acting secretary of homelandcu ty, kevin mcaleenan, joining us tonigh thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> nawaz: let's turn trtanother key f the fallout: how mob that stormed tapitol.d the myewshour colleagues and i witnessed it in real time, reporting from outside and around the capitol all day
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yesterday. and it w clear that as rioters were breaching barriers breaking into the capitol, and then walking out, few were being arrested. that treatment w very different from what we've seen reporting on other ptests, including and most strikingly, black lives matter protests this and that distinction has sparked a new discussion. with us for more is ibram x kendi, the director and founder of the center for antiracist research at boston university. he's the author of "how to be an antiracist," and the upcoming book, "400 souls". he's also a contributor for cbs news. ibram, welcome back to the newshour. and thanks for being with us. i would like to start with ter events of yey, because it was so surreal for so many people watching. you were watching in real time as wel what were you thinking? >> i think my biggest takeaway was that in many ways, we saw white privilege on display in
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the u.s. capitol. you had many peoplwho are black, who are latinax, who are native, you had many people lookinat what those white domestic terrorists were doing and were thinking that if they had been blk, they would not only-- they would have crtainly been arrested, but people believe that they would have even been killed. and so i think the fact that they we able to lay siege on the u. capol, and in many cases walk out without being arrested, even guided out by thr police, really me was white y.ivilege on displa >> nawaz: you know, the are a lot of comparisons being made,aise mentioned in the introduction, between what we saw unfold yesterday and the way orcement has responded to the black lives matter protests over this summer, and a numbeof other protests. the split-screen images, when you look at them, they are just striking.
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and we should mention, there is a distinction. we're talking about the capitol lice here, which is separate and unique. it's not like other metropolita police departments, but this remains, this distinction, andis omparison remains. what do you make of the way people are talking about those two side by side? >> i'm so glad that people ar recognizing that extreme double standas, the way in which police officers are able to how extreme restraint forviolent white terrorists who are laying siege on the u.s. pitol, while they do the very opposite, oftentimes for peaceful demonstrators who are protesting against racism and police violence and let me say, when i say "peaceful," i'm not just sort of sayi that without data. i mean, one study that analyzed upwards of 8,000 demonstrations
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last year, demonstrating against racism, found that 93% of the demonstrations were peaceful. and i'm a professor. you get a 93, that's an "a." >> nawaz: there are som people who look at the events yesterday and say, "this wasn't about race. this was about politic these were people who were protesting an election result. what do you say to that? >> well, first and foremost, i say that in most cases, they're arguing that votes cast in milwaukee, in detroit, in atlanta, in phidelphia, cities th large black populations-- in phoenix-- another city with a large black and latin population, that these votes and these voters were gal. and, indeed, the election was stolen from their president. i mean, you know, you don't have to say "black" and "latinax" and
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thative" to be speaking about race. grandfather clause, the poll taxes and literacy tests had no racial language in it. e history of racism in this country oftentimes does not speak directly and openly about race, but we know race and racism when we see it and hear it. >> nawaz: we've reported on the number of people who have been arrested so far as a result of the action. we know d.c. police say that they're investigating-- federal officials said theyoking for some of the people. there's scores of video and still imagery evidence f them to go through. but in the way of accountability, what do you thinneed toappen next? >> well, i mean, i think those of us who study the-of racism, the history of racism, and even thosof us who study the history of white domestic terrorism, one of the things in,t we find is again and aga over and over those who engage
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in this form of terror are simply not held accountable. i mean, the confederates were not held accountable at the scale that theshould have. many of the people who engaged in lynchings were,f cours not held accountable. police officers who kill people in cold blood are not held countable. and then these white people who lay sie on the u.s. capitol, will they be held accountable? i mean, that's the question that people are asking, "will the president of the united states, who ride them up, who called them to d.c., will he be held accountable? mill other republican congressmen and who also aided and abetted, will they be held accountable?" that's the questions that we're asking. >> nawaz: i just have a few seconds left and i apologize. i have to ask you a big question. but you've written so extenseely on the issues w wrestle with, on the isstitutional and everyday ways
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that ris perpetuated here. if there's a lesson to be learneabout who we are from yesterday, what is that? what can we carry forward? >>hat what we saw at the u.s. capitol is part of us. that is who we are. it's not all of us. but it's part of us. it's part of america. there's a long history of white domestic terror ling siege on american democracy. and we have to own that and accept that. because that's the only way we can rid this country of it. >> nawaz: that is ibram x. kendi, author of the upcoming book "400 souls." always good to talk to you. thank you. >> great to talk to you. thank you. >> woodruff: the events ofrb yesterday reated around the globe.
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nick schifrin reports on the world's reaction. >> schifri adversaries have argued democracy too messy to be trusted. yesterday gave them tion. in russia, whereladimir putin claims only a strong government can keep russians safe, state tv said the u.s. was no longer credible.>> translated ): the united states lost all the rights to pursue the democratic path, d lost their rights to impose it c on otherntries. >> schifrin: in china, the nationalist tabloid "global times" accused the u.s. ofds double standfor calling yesterday a riot, but praising hong kong demonstrators who in 2019 broke into the legislative council. that was repeated by the ministry of foreign affairs spokesman huchunying, who singled out secretary of state mike pompeo. >> ( translated ): pompeo said that he wantedo free hong kong people from oppression. he should open his eyelook at the people in china and hong kong today.
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we are living a good life. it is the american people who should be liberated and rescued. jinping stifles almesticthat xi dissent, and just yesterday, hong kong police on beijin as berrested dozens of pro- democracy activists, and accused them of subversion.ye sterday's failed insurrection orprovided the opportunity countries to deflect, and present the u.s. as weak and hypocritical. rouhani:president hassan >> ( translated ): what we saw last night and today in america firstly proved what a failure the western democracy is and how fragile its foundation is. was hang wringing and shock. in french, "a fractured democracy," and "chaos in washington." in italian, "the end" and "day of the coup." ny leaders expressed faith in america, long-term. french president emmanu macron:ha >> what ppened today in washington, d.c. is not america. definitely. we believe in the strength of american democracy.
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>> schifrin: british prime minister boris johnson: >> all my life america has stoor for someimportant things: an idea of freedom and an idea of democracy. and all i can say is i'm very pleased that the president-elect has been properly, duly confirmed in office and that democracy has prevailed. >> schifrin: german chancellor angela merkel: >> ( translated ): i am very relieved that we have just received the news that the certification has been made in congress that joe biden will be the next predent. mocratic forces have prevailed. i always knew and expected thatf he united states of america. >> schifrin: of all leaders, western european leaders are perhaps most looking forward to a reset under biden, and the edm of the trumpistration. many painted president trump as the problem. a french television rrespondent accused trum supporters of being brainwashed. >> ( translated ): they areru donald supporters who follow donald trump like members of a cult.if
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>> sn: but many u.s. allies are worried about the fragility of freedom, post- trump.they fear if it can happeo the u.s., it can happen anywhere. euroan commission president ursula von der leyen. >> ( translated ): everyone isre onsible r their own actions, but every democracy has to stand up and prove its resilience as well. >> schifrin: australian prime mister scott morrison: >> this is a difficult time for the united states, clearly. they are great friend of australia and they're one of the world's greatest democracies. and so, our thoughtsndre with theme hope for that peaceful transition to take place. >> schifrin: those thoughts and prayers aren't repeated in the countries where the u.s. has tried, but largely failed, to impose democracy. ali abdulla lives in baghdad. >> (anslated ): they claim that they have democracy for their own people, but it's only a theater. it doesn't exist. esey try to show a false image about arab countsaying that we are disorganized. look at them! chifrin: in the end, u.s democracy was delayed, not denied. the world will soon have a new american president.am
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buica at itsest has always been a beacon on the hill. and for allies and adversaries, that light, has been dimmed. for the pbs newshourm nick schifrin. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, publisher simon and the virus killed nearly 4,000 people nationwide on wednesday.i rnia had more than 1,000 deaths over 48 hours.em overall, dr was the deadliest month yet, and health officials warn at january could be worse still. president-elect joe biden formally introduced his pick for attorney general today. federal president-elect joe biden introduced his pick for attorney general: federal appeals court judge merrick garland. the judge promised to restore integrity to the department after the turbulent trump years.
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mr. biden vowed his attorney general would be an independent voice, not mouthpiece for the eaite house. >> i want to be to those who lead this department who you will serve: you won't work for me. you are not the president or the vice president's lawyer. your loyalty is not to me. it's to the law. >> woodruff: the newshour also confirmed that rhode island governor gina raimondo is the choice for commerce secretary, and boston mayor marty walsh, for the post of labor secretary. publisher simon and schuster has cancelled a book deal with republican senator josh hawley. he faced criti challenging the 2020 election
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results last night in congress over unproven allegations of voter fraud. the company called his actions a "dangerous threat" to demoacy. his book, "the tyranny of big tech" was to bnepublished in in afghanistan, fresh violence23 killed at leasivilians and security troops today, despite plans to resume peace talks. the attacks included a suicide car bomb in uruzgan province, an apparent air strike in helmand province, and inunduz, an assault on an army checkpoint.e urt system in iraq has issued an arrest warrant for president trump, for murder. iranian general qassem soleimani and an iraqi militia commander in a u.s. drone strike near baghdad, last year. largely a symbolic step.d back in this country, boeing has
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agreed to pay $2.5 billion to settle a federal criminal probe into two deadly crashes of its 737 max. it was charged with defrauding safety regulators. today's deal includes money for the victims' families, among other ings. the jetliner resumed commercial flights in the u.s. in december. on wall street, major stock indes hit new highs on hopes for more stimulus from a democratic congress and white house. the dow jones industrial average gained 211 points to close above 31,000 for the first time. the nasdaq jumped 326 points, for its first finish above 3,800, for its own record.ed and, neil sheehan, the "new york times" reporter who broke the "pentagon papers" storin 1971, has died. the sweeping expose detailed years of official deception about chances of winning the war in vietnam. sheehan also w a pulitzer
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prize for his 1988 book about the war. he was 84 years old. and that's t newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online, and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, safe, and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbsho news has been provided by: >> architect. bee-keeper. mentor. a raymond james financial advisor tailors advice to help you live your life. life, well-planned. with talk, text and data. consumer cellular. re at consumercellular.tv
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displawm the program you're the serious evenking placeduring in washington, d.c. and we discussed e ents that are unfolding with all our grsuests. here's hari sreenivasan with latest update. >> sreenivasan: congress met today to certify that president-elect joe biden won the election, and president d ump addressed thousands of his supporters gathein washington in support of tha false claimsthe election was stolen from him. incircted d to the capitol where things tued violent. a swarm of trump supporters pushed past police who failed to block them from entering the u.s. capitol. a mob was able to break through the main door and enter the building and the electoral college proceedings had to be halted. for the first time since 9/11 the capitol was put onoc lown with congressional office buildings evacuated and members of congress forced to shelter in
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