captioning sponsored by wnet >> eenivasan: on this edition for sunday, january 10: lawmakers weigh impeachment in the aftermath of the capitol riot. covid cases controue to rage ac the country, as states step up vaccination efforts. >> everything is on the table fo.r this count and we need to recognize that. >> sreenivasan: and, dan rather on erica at a crisis point. next, on pbs newshour weekend. >> wdee're going to have to with this reality. >> pbs newshour weekend is made possible by: sue and edgar wachenheim iii. ily fund.rson f bernard and denisechwartz. the cheryl and philip milstein family. barbara hope zuckerberg. the leonard and norma klorfine foundation we try to live in the moment,

to not miss what's right in front of us. atmutual of america, we believe taking care of torrow can help you make the most of today. mual of america financial group, retirement services and inves.stme >> for 25 years, consumer cellular has been offering no-consstract wirelans, designed to help people do more of what they like. our u.sbased customer service team can help find a plan that fits you. to learn more, visut www.conrcellular.tv. additieeonal support has provided by: the corporation f public broadcasting, a private corporation funded by the ameran people. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like u. thank you. >> sreenivasan: good evening, and thank you for joining us. president-elect joe biden reminded the country today that he will take office in ten days, using twitter, a platform that has suspended president trump's accoleunt for inciting ve. the prident stayed in the site house again today, a federal agencies track down and

arrest some of his supportersth who attacked capitol last wednesday. five peop died in the rioting. at least 195 members of the signed a proposed article of impeachment thaoncould be voted s soon as tuesday. could impeach president trumpse for a second time, and before inauguration day. t house majority whip jim clyburn said today, the house could en delay sending any impeachment articles to the senate for a trial, to keep the focus on mr. the focus on mr. biden's first 100 days in office. let's give president-elect biden the 100 days he needs to get his agenda off and running, and maybe we'll send the articles sometime after that. >> sreenivasan: a conviction in the senate would require a two-thirds majority-- all of the democrats, and 17 republicans. senator patrick toomey of pennsylvania is now the second republican senator, after lisa murkowski of alaska, to suggests ent trump should resign.

>> touhe best way focountry is for the president to resign and sigo away asoon as pe. i acknowledge that may not be , but i think that would be best. >> sreenivasan: as congress weighs impeaching mr. trump, there are new reports that the president ierfered in georgia's election results beyond his now-public phone call to georgia's secretary of state. the "washinon post" reported yesterday that president trump called a georgia election investigator and pressured him to "find the fraud" in a phe call shortly before christmas. legal experts told the "post" the president's attempts to intervene in an ongoing investigation could amount toob ruction of justice or other criminal violations, but may be difficult to prove. the president has not commend and made no public apearances thisekend. there are reports his supporters plan another protest in washington next sunday. this tuesday, theresident plans to travel to texas, where he is expected to talk about his admistration's completion of 450 miles of border fences,

walls and barricades along the border with mexico. >> sreenisan: for context and perspective on what is happening in washington d.c. and across the country, i spoke with dan rather, former cbs news anchor and author "what unites us," his latest book. dan, conrisi that you have covered the challenges that america has faced, both foreign and domestic, over your decades of reporting, what went through your mind when you saw this on january 6? >> my first thought was, i never thoug i'd see the day. my second thought was, i nevere n feared this would happen because it never entered my mind that it was possible for this to happen. i recognize that intellectually, that you can't suort th. bu that's what i felt. rd then right behind that, which was boilil concern and fear for the country where might be headed. and then, of course, anger at least bordering on outrage.

i try very hard never to reach that point with thanger about who and what had brought us to this point where we were humiliating ourselves in front of our own eyes frd certainly t of the eyes of the world. all of those emotions were packed into just nanoseconds when i first saw what was happening. >> seenivasan: as you've been pointing out for years now on social media platforms, through your facebook page, to your twitter feed, so much of this comes from the lack of our ability to discern fact from falsehood. it just boggles my mind that we live in this ecosystem where the truth that we kind of took for granted is hard to come by. >> well, i think it boggles everybody's mind, including my own, because we're still on the first edges of this whole new world of social media, the internet, the internet's great

possibilities for good, suan as educatingiving truthful information. but the other hand, the dark side, which you're pointing out so well, whi has to concern us all. that misinformation, outright lies, propaganda, all of this gets loose on the internet. this is a ry concerning time. it's one reason-- well, i'm an optimist by nature and by experience, but we have alto be tic. we all know that part of being an adult is to recogni that you have to deal with what is real, reality, not what you hope will be. and the reality for us now, is poker term. the table, to use a everything is on the table for this country. and we need to recogni that, that we can have a great future, a future bigger and better than ever dreamed of. mothers but we have to move, because

we're teetering on the imbalance, if you will, of justw hat you describe, the world in which truth is rarely pure, never easy to come by and increasingly difficult to sort out. and i am concerned, and i think this is the question within your question-- how we deal with the favect that, what,76 million americans voted to put donald trceump back into of and a very large majority of thure are now convinced that new president-elect, joe biden, isllegitimate. this is a danger within and the events at the capital, which sort of brought thin to a head for the moment, won't be the last time that we're going to have to deal with this reality. >> senivasan: so let's say best case scenario, that there a transition of power, hopefully a peaceful one on january 20. the challenges ceat joe biden s are unlike any that any previous president has a ced of uge proportion of the electorate who finds him

illegitimate. >> well, i agree that it is, to use 2020's most overused word, unprecedented in our history. here's what we have to say to obuurselves. "hold on, take a deep breath and steady. there have been times in american history before, plenty of times. one example being the 1930s and 's, when we had a deep and abiding depression and the building world war ii, when incoming president, such as in this case franklin roosevelt in tous obstacles and great problems. noeow, it's true thatiden comes into office. i think his two immediate cobhallenges arous. one is we have to get the virus under control. it's a disaster and an outrage ana humiliation that the distribution of the vaccine is where it is, thethay it is. bugreat hopes that joe biden can get that moving along, but that to deal with the virus d deal with the econom

damage, those are the two immediate challenges for joe biden. but nothing is greater than he has to move as quickly as pos.ble to do what is possib there isn't a lot he can do, but he has to do what he can to bring us back together to identify those things that unite us, work on those things. listen to the opposition. people who didn't vote fohim and hope we can pull ourselves together is a tremendous challenge for him and for the country. >> senivasan: and one of your recent tweets, you said, we must cultivate hope while demanding justice. how do we do that? in coming days about to find out administering justice, first of all, i do thinwe have to keep our hopes alive and realize that we are a very resilient people. we can do this. we can do this, but we've got to get ourselves together to do it. and at the sa time, we can't st brush over what has happened, for example, at the capitol. that'sust one example, perhaps the worst example. and we do have to demand justice, etr that's the passing of new arhmcles of

impet against president trump or moving in the cou gs as the montby, there can't be hope for moving the future unless we adjust ourselves and address ourselves to justice. just covering it over and saying, well, that's in the past, we need to move forward, we need to forgeit all. i don't think is in the country's best ierests. >> sreenivasan: dan rher. he book is called "what unites us." thanks so much. >> thank you, hari. thank you very much. > sreenivasan: the unite states continues to battle the coronavirus pandemic as cases surge in all regions of the country. anthe u.s. recorded more 250,000 new cases yesterday, bringing the total number to more than 22 million. this past week saw a 34% increase in new daily coronavirus cases, compared to the previous two week average, acw cording to the "rk times" database. there were more than 3,200 new coronavirus deaths yesterday as the country approaches a total of 380,000 people who have lost their lives to evid-19 since

start of the pandemic. as t vheus continues to spread, getting americans vaccinated remains slow. according to the centers for disease control and prevention, fewer than six million people have received thfirst dose, far less than the 20 million the federal government projected by the end of 2020. in parts of europe, cases also remain hi. demonstrators protesting coronavirus restrictions were out in the capital of the czech republic today, despite the cavountryg one of the highest daily covid-19 cases per ce.apita in europ and in the united kingdom, residents remained under a tight shelter-in-place order as a new, more transmissible strain of the coronavirus continues to spread. with ose to 81,000 deaths so far, british health officials 15 million people by mid- february. >> sreenivasan: for more on the u.s. rollout of covid-19 vaccinations, i spoke with caroliepne chen, whots on public health for propublica. caroline, we have gone from tracking the number of cases and deaths which are still, by

also as anxious about trackinge where and when they can get a vaccine. and it seems pretty disparate, depeing on the state, depending on the city, depending on your age. there's not sort of a uniform roll out here. >> yeah, and i think that this is once again a similar picture to what we saw previously with testing. this is the way that it works in the u.s., that the states have their own ability to run vaccine distribution. so we are going to see 50 different pictures, 50 different stories, because the c.d.c. can only give guidance over what order you give out the vaccine and then it's up to the states to actually manage distribution. and, in fact, it's going to go down to the facility level, which is wt's happening right now, because even though by and large, every state agrees that e ontline health crkers get it first, once the vaccines

are ditelivered to the hos, it's up to the hospitals to decide who within their facility gets it first. >> sreenivasan: what is the guidance from the c.d.c. say? elderly with immune compromised status or preexisting condions? i mean, how do you prioritize? >> so what's called phase 1-a right now, which the c.d.c. guidelines, is frontline health care workers and nursing home long-term care facilities, which is a pretty small populationas we all understand, is an absolutely critical population to get the vaccine. and then after that, phase 1-b is where there is some wiggle room and state to states are interpreting it differently. but by and large, the sort of the next tier is going to be elderly, especially elderly with preexisting conditions. some states are adding sort of tsehat cln to that and then essential workers. >> sreenivasan: also, there's been kind of debate on whether or not we should just double the available to everyone by not

necessarily making two doses available. is there a legit scientific argument there because you're still getting some protection, which is better than no protection, even though it might not be as good as the double dose? this is where the u.k. has been trending. and there are scientific reasons why a lot of immunologists say this may be something that you can do. they point to some people in the trials where you can see even after one shot, there was pretty ggood efficacy and pretd protection. however, for now, the f.d.a. and thc.d.c. as well, dr. nanc messonni has really been on the side in the u.s. saying we should stick to two shots because that iwhat was tested n the trials. that's what the f.d.a. has authorized. and whatever we do in the u.s., my biggest concern actuallys that we communicate iclearly so if we've been g these messages, you have to get your two shots.

y gou have youtwo shots. you have to get your two shots. wait a second, you only need to get one shot-- it's going to be confusing. so my hope would be for wherever, again, the sciencei leads us. >> sreenivasan: the other thing that people are very concerned about regarding the vaccine right now is the news of these other strains that seem to be more contagious, whether or not these vaccines will protect them from the mutations of a virus which naturally occur. >> so right now, we do have two variants, one that is commonly knriown as the u.k. t and one that's coming out of south africa that we seem to... the daa is pointing towards them being more highly transmissible right now, and that is a concern. as far as we have been able to seeso, we have no rto think that the vaccine is not going to be effective against them. so that's good news. however, one thing that i'd pointsut is that the more case

there are out there, the more widely spread the cheonavirus is, ore chances it has to continue mutating and to produce more vaants. so this is not the time for us to say, "oh, great, there's the vaccine, we can lower our guard. and it doesn't matter if we have more cases because the vacci is on its way." like we have to continue to be the coronavirus more chances to mutate and produce variants that mht be able to esca our vaccine. >> sreenivasan: so really, one of those things, if somebody in our audience lucky enough to be getting a vaccine soon, is that does not give you license to just sort of take off your mask and start hugging strangers. >> what the trials have shown for moderna and pfizer's vaccine is that it is highly, highly effective in protecting you from getting sick. doesit protect you from being able to carry the coronavirus, like pick up the virus and then spread it to someone else? that is something that has not been 100% answered by the trials, and it's highly likely,

but for now, even after you've gottevaccine, because we d don't have 10a, continue to wear your mask. and also because it's an pgot tcontinue to encourage other people to wear masks. so we have to hgne the social l to encourage other people who have not yet gotten vaccinated to continue to wear their masks as well.al >> sreenivasanright, caroline chen of propublica, thanks again. >> thanks for having me. >> sreenivasan: indonesian authoriouties say they have the location of two black boxes from the plane that crashed into thrde java sea yes, with 62 people onboard. according to local officls, 12 vessels have been deployed on a search and rescue mission. so far, divers have located debris from the plane and human body parts, pieces of the wreckage were brought to the capital, jakarta, today. the plne, carrying 12 crew members and 50 passengers, was headed to the western region of the country before it disappared from radar, shortly after takeoff from jakarta. four people have diedn spain

ter 20 inches of snow fell over a large section of the country w this weekend, tst snowstorm in decades. in madrid, emergency crews worked to clear roads while airports and rail lines were shut down in many areas. government officials urged people to remain at home and said convoys would begin delivering food and supplies, including covid-19 vaccines. while the storm has eased, the forecast is for dangerous weather in the next few days, with freezing cold turning the outages and stranding thousands of people. >> sreenivasan: for more of dan rathes interview, and the latesint national and rnational news, visit www.pbs.org/newshour. >> sreenivaosan: in response last week's violence at the capitol, some have compared the to that of othe countries, such as in latin america, which has a turbulent history of pvaolitical uph. newshour weekend's ivette feliciano spoke with lia

mmert, alobal fellow at the non-partisan woodrow wilson center, and a professor at the university of santiago of chile, about those comparis >> reporter: so, in a statement wednesday by former president george w. bush, he described the riots in the u.s. capitol as "how elections are disputed in the banana republic" and "not in our democratic republic." many other politicians and political commentors were making similar compariss, likening wednesday's events tots coup d'en "the third world." as an academic from peru who has studied political unrest and security across latin america, what do you make of these comparisons and the surprise over the fact that this could happen in the u.s.? >> i could see at least a coup of issues here. understanng of what's going on in the u.s. this is very different from coup d'etats in latin america.

this is something that been building for a long timemeis a link to stic terrorism, is linked to the increasing levels of racism and classism, most of political diussions. but on the other side is also, you know, the peect picture of leaders in the u.s. who are not really linked to what's going on in other parts of the asrld. in fact, in most, when we embassy was invol some ofrican those situations. >> reporter: the venezuelan >> reporter: so when we talk government takeovers in latin america, can you tell us a little bit more about whale the u.s.'s as been? >> when we talk about, you know, civil wars or dictatorships in latin america, mainly in the '70s and '80s, we have this p oromoving towards some

ideas of socialism being iminplemented atin america. and for that reason, either the u.s. on some of the armed forces in latin america, in cases such as chile, argentina, brazil, but also peru, ecuador and others, there was a fight over what is what type of model of development we will have. and in that sense, military personnel, along with the econeic elite, move into thes coup d'etats that actually put asilide any possy to move forward into a more socialist type of model. and in that sense, most of the actions of the u.s. during the '70s and '80s were mostly lieinked to theconomic political agenda. that, of course, it was, again, socialism or communism. and in most cases, we have even documents that show participation in harboring or helping armed forces and

political elite people to do these things. >> reporter: how do ople in latin american countries such as chile, argentina respond to being called "banana republics" or part of "the third wld"? are those descriptions appropriate, or are they pejorative? >> yeah, they're joratives, of course. we are pretty much appalled about what is going on in the u.s. we are veryurprised of how agile the system was. i think that nowadays we are more in a hemispheric area, more than ever. and actually we share many proems, one of them being inequality and lack of education. >> reporter: what has the legacy >> reporter: lucia dammert of the university of santiago in chilene and the wilsonr, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for the invitation. it's great to have been with you. >>is is pbs newshour weekend,

sunday. >> sreenivasan: when it comes to vaccinations per capita around the world, the small nation of israelas taken the lead, inoculating more than 1.5 million people. but, can the cntry keep this pace? ivette feliciano has the story. >> reporter: inday in tel iv and a medical compound set up for covid-19 vaccinations has hundreds waiting to get their first dose. of around 5,000 to 7,000 a day here in this huge operation. >> reporter:s pace means more than 19% of the population has accinated since mid- december, ten times more than in the u.s., and the mosto far in the world. medical workers and the elderly come first, but given the country's relatively liber approach to ving vaccines, even younger israelis are waiting in line. the country of about nine million was also quick to sign

deals with pharmaceutical companies, covering about 75% of its population. and when it comes to delivery, frael has taken advtage its small size. uri gat-palash heads the ribution company s.l.e. >> we do the division of the pfizer packs. we divide them to smaller packs of ten, 15, and 50 vials so it can behipped even to very small point of vaccination and by doing so, we avoid unnecessary waste. te>> rep but the speed of distribution has the country burning through its supply. and a surge in new cases means the goal to get the whole imcountrnized by spring might be spping away. as pressure grows over dwindling supplies of vaccines, the government is on again turning to the negotiating table, this time to get more deliveries sooner.

>> sreenivasan: newshour will continue to cover the possible impeachment of president tru, the investigation and arrests of pro-trump supporters who edattahe capitol, and all the events over the next ten days leading up to the inauguration of the 46th president of the united states, joe biden. that's all for this edition of pbs newshour weekend. fostr the laews updates, visit www.pbs.org/newshour. i'm hari sreenivasan. thg.anks for watch stay healthy, and have a good night. captioning sponsored by wnet captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> pbs newshour weekend is made possible by: sue and edgar wachenheim iii. the anderson fbeily fund. ard and denise schwartz. thine cheryl and philip mils family. barbara hope zuckerberg. the leonard and norma klorfine

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