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has confirmed that a third member of the trump cabinet has resigned -- chad wolf, the acting secretary of homeland security. he had criticized the president after a pro-trump mob stormed the u.s. capitol last wednesday. congressional correspondent lisa desjardins begins our coverage. lisa: just feet fr windows broken by last week's mob, today in the house chamber, a first step toward removing the house democrats atd to fast-track a resolution calling for vice president pence to activate the 25th amendment to the constitution. >> declare president donald j. trump incapable. lisa: that amendment removes thf president frome upon receiving "written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" from the vice president and majority of cabinet officers. >> i object. lisa: republica blocked it, delaying it a day. this as more and more video appears showinjust how violent

the mob became. these pictures show the crowd which marched after hearing presidentrumspeak and attacked and overwhelmed police. in a letter, house saker nancy pelosi gave the vice president an ultimatum -- act within 24 hours, or the house will move forward with impeachment, charging incitement of insurrection. that debate is planned for wednesday morning. but in an interview that aired sunday, pelosi tmid cbs' "60 tes" the 25th amendment was the preferred option. >> it gets rid of him. he's out of office. but there is strong support in the congress for impeaching the president a cond time. this president is guilty of inciting insurrection. he has to paa price for that. sa: pennsylvania republican senator pat toomey supportst impeachmnerally but agreed another way.kend that he prefers >> i think the best way for our country, chuck, is for the presidt to resign, and go away

as fast as soon as possible. does not look at though there is tothe will or the consensu exercise the 25th amendment option and i don't think there's time to do an impeachment. lisa: house majority whip james clyburn of south carolina said sunday the house could wait until well after the inauguration to send impeachnt articles to the senate, a point when democrats would run the chamber. >> let's give president-electbi n the 100 days he needs to ndt his agenda off and running, and maybe we'll he articles some time after that. reporter: president-elect biden ighed in today, while getting his second of two vaccination shots in delaware. >> i think it's critically olportant that there be a real serious focus onng those folks who engaged in sedition and threatened people's lives, great damage, that they be held

accountable. lisa: meanwhile, there is a growing business backlash -- marriott, dow, and the blue cross blue shield association, among others, announced they would halt donations to lawmakers who voted against certifying the electoral college results. ford and microsoft will suspend all political donations until they review the events of last week. and the payment company stripe said it will no longer frocess paymen the president's campaign website. r e social media app parle which became a preferred forum for far-right speech -- was pulled from google, apple and amazon.meanwhile, there was more security failures that led to the capitol's breach. following his resignation, capitol poce chief steven sund told "the washington post" he did ask house and senate security officials to put the d.c. national guard on standby ahead of the protests. but he said the request was declined because of "optics." the sergeants at arms of both chambers have also resigned. h

policee made at least 90 arrests since last wednesday a investigators comb through thousands of images and video. investigators are looking at the organization of the attacks and over the weekend, videos emerged of rioters searching for pelosi, ped chanting "hang miknce." >> hang mike pence. hang mike pence. lisa: today the national guard announced it is deploying at least 10,000 troops to washington, d.c. ahead of the inauguration, and 5000 more could be requested. the city's mayor also said she requested a pre-emergency declaration from president trump. >> this is necessary because the inauguration poses severalal unprecedented nges that ceed the scope of our traditional planning processes -- the covid-19 pandemic, and of course, the domestic terror attack on the united states capitol. lisa: the department of homeland security announced it will begin

enhanced security for the inaugurationkhis w rather than next, and the national park service closed t national monument for two weeks to visitors citing national threats. this, as the fbi warned today that armed protests are being planned in all 50 cathtols beginnin weekend, and going through the inauguration. now banned from twitter, president trump had nor ublic eventsatements today at the white house. judy: and lisa joins me urw along withhite house correspondent yamiche alcindor. hello to both of you. lisa, to you first. you gave us a sense of where things stand in the co. do you have a clear sense of exactly how this wou unfold at e capitol? lisa: i do. i will give you what we think is the most likely plan for timing. however, it is .fluid. there are still many details to be worked out. the firsthi as we reported, house democrats to announcedto

y they plan to have the impeachment debate on the floor wednesday morning at 9:00 a.m. they do plan to hold the impeachment vote wednesday. after that, the articles can be transmitted to the senate. it seems right now a liky path r that is that itap wouldn after inauguration as with clyburn suggested today. if that d happen, we would see probably a senate trial in late january, ely february. i would say there's also another option. senate democratic leader chuck schumer today said he would like to trigger an emergency session of the senate, which he can do, but only if senate republican leader mitch mcconnells. together, they could call a senateon trial as impeachment articles are passed. that could be s&s later this week. we don't have any reasonth to k macconnell will sn onto that, but we have not heard from him on that issue. another thing, the president is not the only one lawmakers are

calling for retribution against. senator ted cruz of texas and senator jo hawley, they objectednt to the cand there are some calls for them to be censored s -- censured. some democratsy say tould resign for inciting a riot. also, a number of hoare republicanfacing the same calls. i want to raise 13 getting a lot of attention. . is one by representative. she sent this out -- laurent bill burck. she sent this out as the rioters were crashing onto the house floor. many democrats i spoke to are the most angry about that, which ey believe added to the threats to speaker pelosi. in their views, that was pointing out to them where to find speaker pelosi. she said she has been questioned in the election, but that's it. dy: so many strands of this

storto follow. yamiche, let me turn to you nowo all the talk about removing the president or holding him seen the president in the last few days. his social media accounts t have been away. what do we kno' about what he' doing and saying and what the vice president mike pence is up to in the last we heard, they were angry at one another. mie: that's right. in the aftermath of the siege, president trump spent all day furious, watching his personal, political and business opportunities evaporate. i understandithe president is not speaking to the vice president. it's a pretty incredible statement to say. the president is also not speaking to house kevin mccarthy or outgoing seadte majority mitch mcconnell. i spoke to a source today andsai

, isn't the functioning of government important? don't these people need to speak to each other? need to speak?id, why would they everyone just wants to see president trump gone. that is the state of play heto when it comehe government. the other thing as you noted, the president is kicked off twitter, kicked off facebook, and he's also starting . lose busine the pga national tour says they will not have their big golf tournament at the trump new jersey hotel and as a result, the president has been fumi about that. the other thing to t note ist there have been questions about when the president will speak to the americans eople. there me talk that the president might come to the briefing room. it did not happen. the white house says he will go to texas tomorrow to talk about 400 miles of border wall that was constructed and they claim it was a promise kept. the vice president i'm told is stay as business as possible.to he held a meeting with governors day.

he's also been focused on covid-19 and other things stsil pr in the u.s. judy: lisa, i understand you are exactly happened last wednesday to members ofjo congress, to nalists, and police. lisa: that's right. i spoke to many members today on the hill. it was difficult day. i think it was a difeecult and longnd. i know we are short on time. we learned this week and a second capitol police officer whwas there died. is one however died by suicide. he is someone that i knew and other proof -- reporters new. very good guy. it's a real loss. it speaks to the real challenge for capitol poli officers. i know these officers have worked 16 hourhifts, none o them have gotten time off since the riots. i spoke to one officer, both of

hae spouses and family are officers and they have had t tk neighbors to help bring dinnertheir children becae they have been working long hours. also getting details about the riots,e we should learn m the next few days about what happened exactly. judy: and finally, back to you on reporting you how this is affecting president-elect biden. yamiche: president-elect biden wants to see president trump told accountable, but he doesn't want to see his leglative agenda derailed. there are lks now that the president-elect is talking to members of congress to bifurcate the impeachment congress so half a day would be spent impeachment, and half a day on confirming cabinet secretaries, and time spent on trying to efss a covid reill that joe biden wants to pass as soon as he gets into office. judy:in yamiche ar and lisa desjardins, following it all.yo than both.

s judy: senator chons, from delaware, is one ofes ent-elt joe biden's closest allies on the hill. and he joins us now. thank you so much for being with us. at this point, what do y tnk the chances are of president trump being removed from office before january 20? sen. coons: there has to be accountabilityor this unprecedented act by a sitting u.s. president, to spin up a crowd, to incite them to riot, and then send them off tthe capitol building where they stormed the capitol, where they were chanting things like "hang mike pence"wa in the ha, and they did a lot of physical damage, and globally on the world stage, an enormous amount of damage to our reputation. as you were just saying in the last segment, there has been tragic loss-of-life of two

capitol police officers, suffering line of duty deaths. i think als of a nation need to stop and reflect on this. i think what president trump do is resign. that would remove him as quickly as possible. ilg that, vice president mike pence and a majority of the cabinet should do what only they can do, exercise the 25th amendment to remove the president. absent that, if they want take responsibility in those ways,do congress has that it can. as you mentioned earlier, i understand minority leader chuck schumer is exploring whether the is a pathway for us to reconvene promptly after the house passes an article of impeachment. judy: but you aery familiar with your republican colleagues. do you thinkhere's any chance majority leader mcconnell wod agree to thatci s circumstances, to speed up a trial in the senate in the next few days? sen. coons: i seems unlikely.

but one of the things that was most striking wednesday night was after law enforcement regained control of the capitol ll have to grateful for the men and women of law enforcement, the special officers a agents who regained control of the capitol under tough circumstances. we went back into the chamber whd some of the strongest lang h about the importance of camifying the selection from vice president pence, majority leader mcconnell. other senators i rarely agree with likeenor cotten and senator lee, toomey and others, they recognize how important it is for truth telling to the american people and how important for president trump's misled and misguided baseli to hear from repn leaders that joe biden is the duly elected president of the united states. judy: but at this point, it appears it's more likely once the use impeaches, which it

appears that it will do, a trie will t place in the senate after president trump leaves office when joeld biden when be the president. how do u see that complicating then-president bidens agenda? we heard the reporting from yamiche on splitting the time every day, but is that the way joe biden wants to begin his administration? sen. coo: president-elect biden was in no small part elected because he ran on bringing the country together forward past th divisive presidency of donald trump. in this moment when the pandemic is raging out of control, we t ne sort of leadership joe biden can provide to our country. we have two pandemics. one, the covid-19 public health crisis, but also a pandemic of division andistrust. the senate gets r set thees it will follow for impeachment. the cvistitution doesn't p

exactly how to carry out a trial. we could separate our days and in the morning doing t work of confirming some of the very capablend seasoned leaders joe biden has nominated to form his cabinet andns the afternconducting the impeachment trial. a number of republicanre colleagues havhed out saying impeachment is the wrong t path andn't bring reconciliation. as i said, repentance is required before reconciliation. we need to hear and see some actions by president trump or those folks in the other party edwho have long encournd supported him, despite his unconventional and destructive behavior, we need to see them do an about-face and recognize the harm that was done wednesdaynd the actions that need to be taken to bring the country back together. judy: do you s any indication at's going to happen? you had eight members of the senate who voted -- who objected to joe biden'sal electote

in the house.embers, republicans i believe that's correct. do you expect any of them t express regret, to apologize, to try and change direction on sen. coons: there were w? senators originally prepared to challenge the certification. throughly half o changed their mind and changed their vote after they saw the tragedy of the storming of the capitol. what i struggle with most is folks like leaders in the house, mccarthy and scully's, folks in the senate, senators holly --ha ley and senaz,r c folks who i believe know better than to dohis. i think all of them should be publicly speaking about how they have repented of this action and they regret and want to move vast violence and divisiveness

that resulted. at the end of the any, most impoy, president trump is responsible for this incident. he's the one more than anyone elseho inspired thisthob to come t capitol, who urged them to go to the citol, be rough, to be forceful, to be wild. itas not calmed down. there are folks all over social media were right now planning for future violent event. that is why president trump kicked off twitter and facebook. judy: that's what i want to ask the way things stand right now, do you believe it is assured the situation, the circumstances will be safe on the day your friend, joe biden, is inaugurated president? sen. coons: i hope and pray that it will be. i have confidence that with a unified command, with the national guard deployed in significantrs num and the perimeter pushed out further than it was last wednesday, that it is possible we will have a

safe and secure inauguration, nkbut i t there is important work to be done tamping down some of thisivision,amping down some of the fires that have been lit by president trump, and it is important that republicans who have long supported him take action this week to ensure that the american people recognize the legitimacy of joe biden serection as the nextdent of the united states. judy: i hear you are calling on them tdo that. let's see what happens. oosenator chris of delaware, thank you. sen. coons: thank you, judy. judy: as we have reported, last week's iurrection at the capitol is raising new security concerns in washington ahead of president-ele biden's inauguration. amna nawaz picks up our story from here.

amna: judy, d.c. is on high alert and as lisa reported earlier, additthnal members of national guard are being brought into the nation's capital to help with security. muriel bowser is the mayor of d.c. and she joins us now. madam mayor, welcome back to the "newshour" a thank you for making the time. can you share with us as of today, what specific threats do you know of targeting d.c. and around the iyouguration? bowser: what we know and the fbi has released a briefing announcing the known threats, not only in washington, d.c. but in states around the country. we also know several requests i have made to the federal government have granted. i sent a letter over the weekend to the department of homeland security reqsting they extend the time period for the national special security event that

supports the inauguration, which they have done. that timeframe has med from the 19th of january to the 13th of january. i just learned that our request for a predisaster declaration, which allows fema and other federal agencies to work seamlessh us, has also been approved. amna: can i ask, with regards tt the tharound inauguration, have you been told those are specific or the same actors and groups we sawatn the capitol ck or are they new and different threats? mayor bowser: our team has just been briefed today by the fbi and we will get daily befings from them to talk about the nature and specificity of the threats. amna: the designation you just ementioned by now outgoing acting secretary of homeland security chad wolf, o just announced he is resning, does that go far enough to secure the district of columbia? what other steps do you want to

se mayor bowser our police department is working hand-in-handthe secret serve. that designation puts all federal assets under the command and control of the united states secret service including theca tol grounds and other federal assets, which is important because it will allow for seamless deployment of necessary forces. we know the national guard for example has committed to have 15,000 national guards dn and women loyed in the district, a including around capitol grounds and federal assetssp and we are ding to specific requests to secure the perimeter. amna: there are a lot of questions about accountability fo wowing the attack lastk. tonight, the d.c. attorney general said his office is

looking into potentially charging president trump for inciting violence, when he was speaking to the crowd that ma instructed th to the capitol. would you support and move forward with those? mayor bowser: cosupport full tability for all those responsible for inciting violence. i think it's ve clear the president of the united states is one of the main and most important actors in inciting violence. whether it be criminal accountabili or driven by the congress of the united states, heab must be held accou for all he's done. we also know that the people who lay siege to the capital bank -- capitol bear responsibility. over 50,000 tips related toived naming those people, finding em, resting them, and bringing them to justice. amna: we are still understanding the timeline of that day.

bit'sn a lot of reporting around exactly what happened. we know the mob reached the capitol before 2:00. we know the first national guard troops didn't arrive on the scene until after 5:4' p.m. you dot control those troops, they are under the secretary of the army's control, but what is your understanding of what took so long? yor bowser: i think tre will be a lot of questions that are investigated and they deserve an investigation, so something like is never happens again to one of our criticalnstitutions, especially when there was a joint session of congress in place, especially when a critical part of certifying our elecon was happening. we look forward to those discussions to make sure that all law-enforcement have the resources they need for critical events. amna: before january 6, had you

received all specific inence briefs from the fbi or dhs that w indicatede would see this violence we saw that day? mayor bowser: i didn't. i think it has been much discussed that the rl threat that people would actually be violent and see used the capital was underappreciated ball of our intelligence organizations. amna: i guess the question is, if that intelligence did not make it to you tnfn, are you ent the intelligence you are getting before the inauguration will keep the city secure?ma r bowser: yes. i am more confident with every hour that the system, the structure of how this event is supported is strong. it has been in place for every inaugurati and i have asked

all federal partners to stepp in light of the january 6 attack also in light of the threat across the country, it is requiring a national approach to supporting the inauguration of joe biden and kamala harris. amna: brieflyefore we go, there was some reporting about capitol police, not d.c. police, capitol police being suspended or arrested bause they were taking selfies with those protesters or putting on a mega hat. do you come -- have concerns about d.c. being sympataetic to the ers? mayor bowser: i do not. our police were called to back the united states capitol police. that is a position we take with aloe for our federal partners on eir facilities. -- all of ourederal partners on their facilities. i know my officers acted valiantly. they were ab to help get control of that buiheing and

exit rioters out of the building and make sure lawmakers could gos.ack and do their j amna:ma d.cr muriel bowser joining us tonight. thank you for your time and good luck in the days ahead. mayor bowser: thank you. stephanie: good evening. i'm stephanie d with -- i'm stephanie sy with "newshour" west. updating the toptory tonight, president trump approved an emergency declaration in washington, d.c. effective immediately. this allows the federal emergency management agency to provide assistance in protecti lives and pperty. the declaration lasts through january 24, four days after inauguration day. michigan banned thepen carrying of guns in the state capitol. last april, protesters, some

armed, swarmed the statehouse to oppose covid9 restrictions, d try to enter a legislative session. some of the same extremists allegedly plan to kidnap governor whitmer and now face criminal charges. prident-elect biden picked longtime diplomat william burns today to be director of the cia. he worked at tnt sta departor 33 years and served as ambassador to russia and jordan. today, he promised not to le partisanship color intelligence. a number of states began expanding covid-19 vaccinations today as deaths nationwide topped 375,000. from detroit to dallas to san diego, sports tiadiums, conv halls and other sites became inoculation centers. but in arlington, texas, governor greg abbott said e biggest problem is they need more doses. >> we have the structure to vaccinate tey.ns. swif

-- veryft s. this structure can be expanded and will be expanded across the state. the only limitation that we now face is the limitation of supply. stephanie: overseas, israel announced today it is moving forward with plans 8 f new settler homes in the occupied west bank. erthe news from prime mini betterment -- benjamin netantehu could crensions with the u.s. settlement expansion.ost cuba is back on the u.s. list of ate sponsors of terrorism. secretary of state mike pompeo alleged today cuba still harboring u.s. fugitives and supporting venezuela's leader nicolas maduro. president obama took cuba off the terror list in his to normalize relations. president trump has awarded the medal of freedom to another aunch supporter of his - congressman jim jordan. the ohio republican was part of mr. trump's defense team at hise senate impea trial last year.

meanwhile, patriots head coach bill belichick said he will not accept the medal of freedom offered by the president. and a statement, he explained that he made the decision after the tragic events of last week, referring to the riots at the capitol building. the award is thehiation's ghest civilian honor. still to come on the "newshour" with judy, the attack on the capitol forces a reckoning with radical right-wing political factions. plus, tamara keith and amy walter break down a tense week in washington. announcer: this is the "pbsho ne," from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school o journalism at arizona state universi. judy: it is easy to have forgotten this or overlooked it, but last year, the u.s. department of homeland security

classified white supremacy as the greatest dreestic terror to the united states. this week's stormingbyf the capitoro-trump groups brought that concern to light in the most urgent way possible. e mdeo ergegham has the story. thenmob ry. tol. rtolice,that ny at the capitol last wednesday went at the ce with dangerous, deadly intent. amongst the crowd were also many inwearing or carrying the signia of a litany of the extremist, neo-nazi and conspiracy-minded groups in america. about q-anon, the conspiracy theory that believes a cabal of democrats and wealthy elites are running a child sex trafficking ring -- one that president trump has been secretly working to destroy.

there were members of thehe iii%-ers andath-keepers -- both among the many armed, militant anti-government, supremacist groups in the country. there were various neo-nazi and these are members of the violent hate group the proud boys flashing their white supremacist "ok" hand signal. in the aftermath of this attack, many of the largest social media clamp down on those thesought companies say are encouraging violence online. youtube began removing live streamed videos of the violence on capitol hill. facebook said it took offlinese veral forums, including one with thousands of members who in advance of wednesday's riot posted the home addresses of federal judges and politicians, often accompanied with images of guns and weaponry. facebook stopped the president from posting to his page.rb ceo mark zucg justified the ban saying, "we believe the risks of allowing the president

to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great." after some back and forth, twitter permanently took the president's account offline and removed l his prior messages. in a statement the company said "after close review of recent tweets from the @realdonaldtrump account and the context aroundth we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence." these moves by the social media giants were applauded by some, though many said it wan far too lateming. many conservatives, meanwhile, cried foul, alleging censorship against their political views. the social media app known as parler, which was created to be a conservative alternative to twitter, had been surging in popularity in recent weeks. it became not just an organizing platform for last week's capitol calls for violenceayhem.erous apple and google botremoved parler from their app stores. and then yesterday, amazon, which hosted parr on its cloud web servers, booted the app offline, citing its inability to

curtail violent language and imagery. as of late last night, parler'ss e and app was not functioning, and today, parler announced a lawsuit against amazon, accusing the tech giant of trying to stifle competition. for more on these groups, and whether these moves by the tech compinies will help, i'm by cynthia miller-idriss. she's a professor at ameuncan ersity and runs the school's polarization and extremism research and innovation lab. and j.m. berger, the author of several books, including "extremism." he has conducted research and training on issues related to homegrown terrorism, online extremism d how to counter it. j.m. berger, to you first. help us understandow large a presence we know that these

extremist groups were at the rally on wednesday, meaning if you could somehow have taken them off the chessboard, i don't remove them from thet circumstance, would wednesday have been a different day? >> i think that if you remove extremist groups from this stcircce, what you would have seen is less direct threat were present and to vicess who president pence. there may still have been the pressure on the capitol, there may still have been a riot, but we saw people in combat gear carrying zip ties, who clearly had the intent to do something more. so that was really a close call and it's a close call we could have avoided. william: cynthia miller-idriss, the same to you. is it your sense that wednesday would have been different and that those groups did contribute to the worst groups that we saw?

>> the groups are really important. i like the idea of a magical eraser, it would have been nice eto not have those groups present. i agree much of the high risk of violence would be reduced, but i think one of the things that is important to remember is that most of the recent terroristn violence have seen comes from that kind of perspective of an individual encountideology online and then radicalizing. i think we have had a lot of focus on groups and that's impot, but we will not erase this problem just by getting rid of the groups. william: j.m. berger, can you pick up on the point cynthia is making he? help us undersnd how social media and internet communities help a radicalize draw a new adherence to these movements. >> what we see on these networks

is diverse a so the very different dynamics. represented was qanon. that group has a centerit of grthat is heavily online. that's a very large movemen that has really proliferated in the social media space. soe can put a lot of blame for pthem and thesence there on social media. other groups existed in previous forms. certainly we he had neo-nazis, confederate milit movements that have existed long before social media, but nowin they are social media to organize, to recruit to some extent, and to get each other pumped up for an activity like thi and increase the sense of urgency and crisis they can take extreme action. william: help us understand, we

have seen some soal media atforms have tried to crack after wednesday's event. we know this is a cotion one for the lot -- a lot of platforms have tried. how successful will that be? that movement to try and take thee platforms away from th groups. >> d platforming is an important strategy and i think we do have to stem the circulation of the disinformation, which is a lot of what we saw here. large numbers of people and radicalizing into an alternative universe of belief about the election being invalid and feeling compelled to act to save democracy. f thl like they are the ones being heroic and saving the nation. but i think it is important, it isort of like a wacko mall. there's always going to be another thing, a new proliferation of plaorms. it's not just organization of platforms themselves, but through youtube, online gaming

platforms, there is an ever expanding ecosystem of places online where extremists can recruit and share propaganda and radicalize individuals. william: j.m. berger, is that well, that there really isn't a good way of taking these platforms away from them, because they will always find somewhere else to go? >> i think that a lot of our conversations aboute- platforming are predicated on the all or notng proposition, that if these people are on the internet, that we failed. what we sa c with istainly is you can take away the big platforms where they can reach large audiences and do recruiting and shaping of opinion. that really hurts these organizations. the problemere is that the right wing movement in this country currently is muchsiarger than to some extent, were locking the barn door after the horse is gone.

you can't put this back in the bottle. that said, de-rmplatg is not a total solution by any stretch, but it is better than nothing.ia wi cynthia miller-idriss, help me understand, the conversation that has been had around the president's rhetoric -- we saw that twitter and president's a to use thosehe platforms, arguing he himself was inciting violence. yhow true d think that is? do you, as many have, lay some of the responsibility for wednesday at the feet of the >> i do.t? i thi that not just the incitement of violence in this particular case, but what we yeve seen for severas now has been a mainstreaming and normalizatn of extremist ideas , and a lot of dog whistle calls like "stand back, stand back, standby" statement. even if thre intent isn't t

the way it is received, the impact has a lot of riskda and er attached to it in terms of the far-right mobilizing online and feeling like they ha been legitimated. what we are saying- seeing now is not just the president but other elected officials, the people who are supposed to be trted sources of information, helping to create and propagate th disinformation landscape that says the selection is invalid, that there has been mass voter fraud, and really compelling these people to act. william: j.m. berger, same question to you. do you hold the president and his language both in the months leading up to the election and postelection a wednesday, do u hold him responsible as well? >> i do. i have been writing about the kinds of coded language and combination that he makes to extremists since the 2016 election. he deliberately incites in these areas and uses language that he

knows will inflame people, and he also provides these movements with something they had in this country in the modern era, whh is a charis patrick -- charismatic leader. emtypically right wing mts in the u.s. have an fractionated and divided. there are factional infighting that occurs, a huge amount of diverse views. because they are too typically disconnected from each other. wh donald trump has provided is a sort central nexis, a force of gravity that pulls them all into alignment and that is really dangerous. william: this is obviously a conversation the country is now unfortunately waking up to perhaps too late, but thank you both very much foreing here. cynthia miller-idriss and j.m. berger, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me.

judy last week's violence at the capitol has fully recal the fiys of donald trump's presidency, including the potential for a second impeachment. our politics monday analysts are here to break down what comes next. that's amy walter of the cookpo political . and tamara keith of npr. hello to both of you. so much has happened since we both last oke. the world has shifted. firsthing i want to ask though, the democrats moving full speed ahead a witeffort to punish the president. if they can'tm remove him f office or get him to step down before he's going to leave anyway, they are determined to impeach him. is there any political downside to them doing that? amy: for the last four years, one ing seems to be true.

big major events, events that not that long ago would have been pitical earthquakes, don't seem to move opinions of anything. opinions othe president, of political leaders, etc. so in some ways, it feels like we have been here before. at the same time, i don't know that we have fullyrocessed this moment and as we are starting to see more and more videos come out, especially those taken inside the capitol, the level of violen destruction, it is clear that the story of the capitol is going to continue to unfold. votes and conversations we are having today may look very six months from now.hs from now i think tha for us to keep in mind. we have been living in this sort of bubble r the last four or so years of so many things

happening, and yet nothing really moving the political sort of dynamic. judy: what about that? amy is right. we areivg in the last four years, and living in the moment. it haseen such a horrible last several days. how do you see the thinking on the part of democrats as they push ahead to do this? tamara: they seem t be driven by a couple of things. one, they are downright ary about what happened. members of congress from both sides of the aisle where concern for their safety and the safety. of their famil certainly the democrats who have signed onto this, we don't know howany republicans might ultimately sign on, whether it's a couple or a dozen, it's not clear yet. but the members signing onto this are wanting to send a message that this is notk,

that a violent insurrection in the u.s. capitol is not ok, that the political leader essentially refusing a peaceful transfer of power, a president unwilling to admit what was clearly the tcome of the election, and the capitol, that that is not acceptable. 'that' the message they want to send, even if it reqimres aching a president who has 10 days left in office and you probably can't remove them. ere's also the thought that if it were to somehow get to conviction in the senate, they could also pass a resolution so .e couldn't run for office again thats the thought process. on the other side of it, there's also aonrn this whole process, impeachment isn't easy and there's a reason for that, at it could gum up t worksr e first 100 days of president-elect joe biden. judy: even before we get to

that, the prospect for the first impeached for a second time. even if you do end up withe s -- with a trial in the senate taking place after president trum has left office, which i think that would also make some kind of history. amy: right. this is aresident for whom the very beginning has busted all sorts of norms and procedures and things we thought of as normal and part of the presidency. i also want to get to tam's point about the clock ticking on president biden january 20. every president likes to have this 100 day schede. there's a lot he wants to get done between january 20 and the end of april. the one thing he has this time around that he didn't before

last week and the georgia elections is democrats in control of the sate, meaning -- they don't have major corol, they onlyave 50 seats plus a tie-breaking vote -- but they have control of the most importhit thing is the schedule in the rules and the floor. so unlike in the previous debate the senate about impeachment at the beginning of democrats who will set the rules now and set them in a way that will make it easier for joe biden to say -- get many of his appointees through and do other business while the trial is taking place. judy: and tha's what we are hearing. some reporting earlier with yamiche and lisa, and senator kunz, may be that is something they spent half the day we wondering -- wking on whether president should be convicted on

inciting insurrection, and tony could mov pandemic relief at the same time. you have covered washington for a while. does that sound like somethingis that's rec? tamara: or also confirming nomine. e den has made it clear and all presidents want this, tha h he wan national security team in place. he needs a health care secretary in place. that is a lot for congress to do. anythi is possible. sometimes magic happens, but that is a lot. judy: they are talking aut it now, but is this the kind of can't really happen?ed about but amy: i think a lot will depend on what this vote looks like in the house. as tam pointed out, we don't know how many republica may join democrats at this point. if it in more tve or six,

that doesn't seem like a big number, but i is significant in that it is showing some cracks within theub rcan sort of defense here and suggests that moving on to the senrte is very imt. i think a lot orepublicans are suming and even some democrats, what we've seen over the last four years,th these gs that seem to continue to be true, that opinions of the president really aren't going to change, and/or that he is still such a huge influence for the true as we move along and as wee get more information about t capitol attack and what we have talked to leading up to it. i think by 2022, many of the votes cast this moment could look different and the president's influence could look different. republicans could lookt for t

the democrats would overreach, but if that is not the case, this is going to be a bigger republicans that have been used to having donald tuemp's ine driving everything. judy: so many questions about how this is going to play out and what is goingo mean for both political parties and what will happen for the president, and what we i will seethe evenly divided senate, and. so on so much to look at and talk about. amy walter and tamra keith thank you. that is the "newshour" for junight. i' woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs "newshour," thank you, please s ste and see you soon. announcer: major funding for the "pbs newshour" has been provided by -- >> architect, beekeeper, mtor.

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