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>> woodruff: a c.d.c. panel is urging an end to the pause on using johnson & johnson's covid-19 vaccine. the group says the shots should include a warning about rare blood clots. it found 15 cases-- three of them fatal-- out of nearly eight million vaccinations. the c.d.c. usually follows the committee's recommendations. meanwhile, c.d.c. director rochelle walensky warned of vaccination gaps in parts of the country. she also encouraged pregnant women to be immunized. >> no safety concerns were observed for people vaccinated in the third trimester of, or safety concerns for their babies. as such, c.d.c. recommends that pregnant people receive the covid-19 vaccine >> woodruff: we will talk to infectious disease expert dr. anthony fauci after the news summary. an explosion of covid infections

in india forced urgent action today. officials reported nearly 333,000 new cases in just 24 hours, and more than 2,200 deaths. the government shipped oxygen tanks on special express trains as hospitals appealed for help. some threatened to halt new admissions. president biden's climate summit ended today, with a focus on giving up fossil fuels. the virtual session included world leaders as well as billionaires bill gates and michael bloomberg and others. they talked of major spending on innovation a renewable energy. mr. biden cast it as a way to generate jobs. >> today's final session is not about the threat of climate change poses. it's about the opportunity that addressing climate change provides. people working in the fields that we haven't even conceived of yet, on forms-- on farms and on factories and in laboratories and universities, with things we

haven't even thought of so far. >> woodruff: the summit nations will meet again for formal negotiations in november. california governor gavin newsom says that he will halt all new permits for oil and gas fracking in 2024. the process involves hydraulic fracturing of underground rock, and environmental groups oppose it. newsom also ordered regulators today to plan for ending all oil production in california by 2045. some 130 migrants bound for europe are feared dead after capsizing off libya. it happened wednesday, in the mediterranean sea, northeast of tripoli, the libyan capital city. a french rescue ship found an overturned rubber boat on thursday. rescue groups say that 350 migrants have drowned off libya since the year began. in jerusalem, israeli police arrested 44 people overnight in clashes with palestinians and jewish extremists.

security forces fired stun grenades and water cannon at crowds protesting restrictions on their gathering during ramadan. nearby, far-right jewish nationalists fought with police at an anti-arab rally. russian dissident alexei navalny is ending a 24-day hunger strike in prison. in an online post today, he said that he has now received medical care from independent doctors, as he had demanded. his own doctors had warned that his health was failing, and they urged him to stop the hunger strike. back in this country, a pentagon panel recommended that independent authorities take over decisions about prosecuting troops for sexual assault. commanders have always made those decisions, and service leaders have opposed any change. defense secretary lloyd austin has made the issue of sexual assault a top priority. spokesman john kirby:

>> he wants the services to have a chance to look at them and give him his feedback. he obviously will be taking all those inputs seriously as he weighs next steps. >> woodruff: reports of sexual assaults have risen steadily since 2006. president biden has made plans for his first overseas trip since taking office. the white house says he will attend the group of seven summit in england in june. from there, he will go to brussels to meet with leaders of the european union and nato. and on wall street today, stocks made up some lost ground. the dow jones industrial average gained 227 points to close at 34,043. the nasdaq rose 198 points. the s&p 500 added 45. still to come on the newshour: dr. anthony fauci discusses the latest on the vaccination effort. the biden administration's push toward electric vehicles. a major federal investment in tribal lands hopes to counteract long-standing inequities.

soccer fans took down plans for a super secret new league. plus much more. >> woodruff: the johnson & johnson covid vaccine appears to be on the verge of being given out once again. that is after a c.d.c. advisory panel recommended to do so, and provide a warning. before the panel's recommendation, i spoke today with dr. anthony fauci, the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. he is so the chief medical adviser to president biden. and we should note for the record that johnson & johnson is a funder of the newshour.

dr. fauci, thank you very much for joining us. you and i are recording this interview before we know what the c.d.c. is going to say today about whether to reauthorize the use of the johnson & johnson vaccine, but whatever their decision is, how much of a setback to the overall effort to get vaccine into as many arms as possible has this pause been? >> i don't think it has really been significant, judy, particularly since, if they make the decision to go back out there and get this vaccine back in play, i think you're going to see people who are wanting to get this particular vaccine will be lining up to get it. i think that the pause, although for a period of time there some people felt that maybe that's going to diminish the confidence in the vaccine, i think, on the other hand, it might have the opposite effect, that, given the fact that this is such a rare event, the fact that this was paused indicates how seriously

we take safety when we're dealing with vaccines. so this should really encourage people and fortify the concept that safety is of critical importance. >> woodruff: it now looks as if the average daily number of people getting vaccinations is plateauing, and given that, my question is, what are we at, 140 million americans have at least one dose of a vaccine, what does that say about how hard it's going to be to get everybody else who you want to have the vaccine? i mean, there have been a lot of pleas made to americans to have the vaccine, but there are clearly many who are hesitant. >> yes, and that's what we're trying to address, judy. i mean, there are people who clearly are in the wait and see atmosphere, but when you have 140-plus-million people who have received at least one dose, i think the wait and see has gotten to the point where there's a very efficacious

vaccine that in the real world is doing very very well in protecting people. the data we are getting in follow up are indicating the vaccines are at least and maybe even more effective than what we saw with the clinical trial results. and we have situations now, you know, we've established a covid 19 community core to get trusted messengers in the community, be they professional athletes, be they entertainers, be they members of the clergy, to go out and to explain to people why it's so important for their own safety, for that of their family, and really for the community in general, to get vaccinated. so we realize that we have to give an extra push as we get to that point where you have less and less a proportion that's unvaccinated, it's going to be more difficult to get peoe -- but i think we're up for that challenge, and i think when the american people listen to the

data of why it's so important to get vaccinated, i think you're going to see people get vaccinated at a greater rate than most people are expecting at this point. >> woodruff: but as i'm sure you know, many people are still telling, at least, when they're asked, some are saying i just don't want the vaccine. how hard, how far should the government be pushing with the cooperation of the private sector to get people to get this vaccine if they're resistant? >> well, i think we have to keep trying to reach out and explain to people why it's so important. you know, there are a couple of aspects to it and one of the things that we try to get across the people that they may not appreciate at first glance, and that is, if you have a younger person who will say, correctly and understandably, that if you are young and healthy, the chances of your getting a serious outcome are very low. that is a fact and true. however, there are now seeing a lot more young people getting

infected, particularly with this variant, the 117 from the u.k., which transmits clearly more efficiently than the original virus, there's no doubt about that, that you have a danger of getting infected and you also have a danger of getting a serious consequence. the other thing that we want to impress upon people is that, even if you don't get any simple tops and you get infected -- symptoms and you get infected, it doesn't end there, judy. ultimately, you may be responsible for somebody getting seriously ill. you don't want to be part of the dynamics of the outbreak, you want to be part of the solution. >> woodruff: you do raise something in watching the variants that i want to ask you because it wasn't that long ago we were told that this is a race, in effect, between the vaccine and the variant. who's winning? >> you know, right now -- you know, that is a good question. i think we really are at a turning point right now, and we're really at that point where we're just about seeing the crossing over because, if you

look at the curves, we're getting more and more people vaccinated, we're getting about 3 million people per day, and, yet, the cases are at that high level of about 60,000 per day on a seven-day average. i believe, as we get more and more people vaccinated, you're going to start seeing a crossing of those curves where you're going to start seeing the number of cases coming down as the vaccine total number goes up. that's exactly what we saw in israel. >> woodruff: so we could be on the cusp of good news, but i have to ask you how concerned are you about the so-called breakthrough infections, infections showing up in people who have had two vaccinations? >> yea you know, great point to bring up, judy. the c.d.c. just reported on a few thousand of these. that sounds like a lot, but when you put it next to the denominator, the breakthrough infractions are a fraction of a

fraction of the people who have gotten vaccinated. so, although you don't like to see any break thrus, when you have a few thousand against the millions and millions of people who have been vaccinated, it is a very, very rare event to have a breakthrough for someone who has been vaccinated. >> woodruff: i have a question about the united states and the rest of the world. we know that the u.s. is doing well, as you have been describing overall, we're seeing a drop in cases, and yet the rest of the world, most of it not nearly as fortunate. we're seeing horrible numbers in india, people running out of oxygen, hospitals overwhelmed. next door neighbor canada, only 2.9% -- or, rather 2.6% i saw today of canadians have been vaccinated, worldwide the number is something like 2.9%. is it time now for the united states to do more to help the

rest of the world? >> you know, judy, we will be doing that. a number of things are ongoing right now. you know, we have rejoined covax, we pledged and/or given $4 billion to that. we are in a situation where it's very clear, when we get our people vaccinated, we're right now in a situation where we really want to make sure that we have our people vaccinated, but if the surplus doses become available, which they very likely will, that clearly that's on the table to share that with individuals. the other things that we're doing is that we want to be part of the situation when we will be helping countries to be able to produce the vaccine themselves, and that's something that we're right now talking to them about, the possibility. there are a lot of people that want to see that, rather than just giving doses to a country, to allow the country to be able to make doses themselves, working with the pharmaceutical

companies to see if they can work out some sort of an arrangement where that will be allowed, and as long as there is viral dynamics and viral spread in countries, particularly if it's rather profound spread, you can't be completely safe. >> woodruff: for people who are vaccinated, what is safe for them to do? people want to know, can i go to a restaurant indoors? can i go to the movie theater? is it safe to get on an airplane. what is safe and what isn't? should people wear a mask outdoors? i mean, what's your advice? >> the c.d.c. is going to be coming out with official guidelines. you know, they already said about in the home setting, if you are vaccinated, even if you're with unvaccinated people, you can take the mask off, you could have physical contact. the one thing people need to realize that, being vaccinated, the risk of everything you do is considerably less than if you are not vaccinated. so going outside, you're going to be hearing a reevaluation of

whether you're going to have to wear mask outside, that's being considered literally in realtime now by the c.d.c. they've already said that travel is much much safer when you have been vaccinated. the real critical issue is it's also dependent upon the level of infection in the community. so if the level of infection in the community is very low, and you don't have new variants going on, there are so many more things that a person who is vacs made can do even without a mask, and you're going to be seeing, as the time goes by, hopefully much sooner rather than later when the c.d.c. will be coming out with guidances that will be much less restricted with regard to what people can do when they are vaccinated. >> woodruff: so this is the guidance as of today, april 23, 2021. dr. anthony fauci, thank you as always, we appreciate it. >> thank you, judy.

good to be with you. >> woodruff: as part of his administration's broader climate change strategy, president biden has made investing in electric vehicles a major focus of his $2 trillion jobs and infrastructure proposal. and this week, he's promoted the importance of technological innovation at a climate summit. but as william brangham reports, there are still many barriers to those vehicles becoming widespread. our story is part of an international journalism effort called "covering climate now." >> reporter: there's a reason a lot of environmentalists focus on the future of electric cars because today's cars emit a lot of planet-warming gases. as a category, transportation is the number one source of greenhouse gas emissions in the

u.s., even higher than electricity, and within transportation, light duty vehicles like cars and trucks are the largest source of those emissions. so, now, a president who adores his dad's gas-guzzling corvette -- >> i didn't get a chance to flash it in a second i was afraid i would go through those guys. >> reporter: wants to see electric cars rule the road. but getting electric vehicles or evs, for short, into widespread use has obstacles. the first among them is consumer demand. >> so right now electric cars account for about two or three percent of the market, meaning two or three percent of new vehicles sold each year are electric cars. >> reporter: tiny, tiny fraction. >> tiny. it's been growing. it was zero ten years ago. >> reporter: according to a consumer report survey americans cite a few reasons for reluctance -- worries on how far evs can travel on one battery

charge, concerned about the up front cost of evs, though stusdz show consumers save more money over time because they never buy gas, and concern over having enough places to charge the ev's batteries. >> many consumers are just not familiar with the technology, haven't ridden in one, don't know anybody who has and haven't really thought through how much their life changed if they had an electric car. >> reporter: ronald kaltenbaugh is something of an ev evangelist, president of a washington, d.c. group that promotes them. he told me about the first time he test drove a tesla model ls, famous for lightning quick acceleration and $70,000 price tag. >> we were at the stoplight and he said go ahead and guide it off the line. the only thing i can compare it to is if you're on a rollercoaster that accelerates very fast, it's kind of like that. >> reporter: one of the great misconceptions is people think you're going to get an electric car, it will only go as fast as

a golf cart, only go five miles before it needs to be plugged in and take three days to charge up the battery like an old cell phone. >> that is a big misconception. once you get people in the car and driving and seeing it,eth, like, oh, my gosh. >> mr. president -- >> reporter: to help the country feel the stadium excitement, president biden's job includes heavy emphasis on electric vehicles. it calls for $174 billion of investment, including rebates for people who purchase evs, money into research into better battery technology, encouraging the government's vast fleet of cars and buses to become electric, and money build half a million charging stations across the country for anyone to use. >> we're going to provide tax incentives and point of sail rebates to help all american families afford clean vehicles of the future. >> reporter: some states like california have already esblished mandates to require

that a certain percentage of vehicles sold in the state emit zero pollution. and now 12 governors, all democrats, have sent a letter to the biden administration urging it to "ensure that all new passenger cars and light duty trucks sold are zero emission no later than 2035". >> let's go, america! >> reporter: adding to this momentum, several big auto-makers have announced they're already moving away from gas power. >> did you know norway sells way more electric cars per capita than the u.s.? norway! aaahhh! >> reporter: general motors, one of the biggest auto-makers in the world said in just over 30 years it will have over 30 models for sale and wants to phase out tailpipe emissionings for cars, trucks, suv's by 2035. dean parker is the company's chief sustainability officer. >> the current data says 80% of charging happens at home.

a large number of current consumers are able to charge at home and for them it will be seamless because the range of these electric vehicles is going to be sufficient for the vast majority of use cases. >> reporter: even as auto-makers introduce more electric vehicles, one estimate shows that even by 2050 when electrics could be a majority of the new ca sales, most cars on the road will still be burning vas gas. >> we end up with a chevy volt. >> reporter: for the true believers like ronald kaltenbaugh who has driven hundreds of miles to vermont, detroit, say there are so many reasons to go electric that they ought to appeal to everyone. >> you can be a doctor and like tech, a car enthusiast and like fast cars, be an environmentalist and be concerned about climate change, be a foreign policy national security person and worry about nasty governments, anybody in the political spectrum you can find why somebody loves evs

and would want to move to them as quickly as possible. >> reporter: president biden's plan has a main hurdle, passage by a divided legislature. until that happens, the plans are on hold. for the "pbs newshour," i'm william brangham. >> woodruff: last month, congress approved a record amount of money for native american tribes in the american rescue plan. today, first lady jill biden spent the second of two days in indian country, meeting with navajo officials and hearing about their needs, after a devastating covid-19 outbreak on the navajo nation last year. stephanie sy reports on what the potential future looks like for indigenous americans >> sy: judy, as we've been reporting throughout the pandemic, american indians

and native alaskans have been hit hard with a higher mortality rate than any other ethnic group in the united states. there are some positive signs now-- a stretch many days on the navajo nation where there has not been a single covid-reted death. more than half the residents are now vaccinated. now, tribal communities look forward to an infusion of resources. the covid stimulus bill allocates $31 billion to serve them, and includes $ billion that goes directly to tribal governments, $6 billion to bolster health systems, and more than $1 billion for housing. to talk about why this money is needed, we're joined by nick telson, from the pine ridge indian reservation. he is the founder and c.e.o. of ndn collective, and an activist for tribal rights over lands. nick telson, welcome back to the newshour. it's good to have you. you have often talked about indigenous power.

how much does this funding mean to you and other native leaders, especially after this year of tremendous loss? >> this is a pretty monumental step forward. you know, this is one of the biggest single investments that the federal government has ever made in history directly to indigenous people. and, so it's a step in the right direction. and it's a-- it's a realization that our advocacy and our efforts to be seen in society today, and our struggles to be realized, are things that need to be invested into. and so, we're happy about the big investments going directly to tribes. we're happy about the investments to save the-- to save native languages. we're happy about the $1 billion investment into broadband, into, some of-- really, not just native communities, but some of the most under-invested communities in the whole country. you take this opportunity of $1 billion being invested into

navajo, but you also have 65,000 people at navajo who don't have power. is broadband going to affect those people right out of the gate? and so, i think that-- i think that there's an opportunity here to address long-term-- long-term, systematic things, like renewable energy in rural, isolated communities that help, you know, help work towards building a more resilient communities altogether. >> sy: the federal government has held billions of dollars in trust to support tribal communities, but critics have often said they still do not get enough support. does this funding, nick tilson, help set up a future where native communities might need to depend less on congressional appropriations? >> there's really no amount of money that the congress can appropriate to fix its relationship with indigenous people. it actually has to change its relationship. because if the federal government changed its relationship to native people

and started focusing on a free and prior informed consent, what would end up happening is the entire relationship with tribal nations and sovereign nations would change, because you would no longer see things like pipelines built through our lands, or extractive industries built through our lands, or decisions made about indigenous people without our consent. and so, i hope that this-- actually this investment begins to open a nversation about entering into a brand new era. >> sy: you talked about renewable energy and sustainability on native lands. like other communities in america, the oil, gas and mining industries can mean jobs, and they also have those negative cultural and, in some cases, environmental impacts. what do you hear from other native americans about how they think about that issue? >> the reality is, the fossil fuel industry and the extractive industries have he indigenous communities economically hostage for the past 100 years, and have violated, you know, violated

federal policy and have eroded indigenous people's rights. and so, to be quite honest, the jobs that exist in the fossil fuel industry is not the ones that we want in indian country. and they have been few and far between. they've had very little to no economic impact on our communities. when you can envision, you know, thousands of indigenous people on the ground, you know, working to steward their land and fight climate change and create a new economy, that is actually one that is just and equitable. that's what excites me about the future. >> sy: you now have an insider, you have deb holland, who is a native american, the first to serve as a cabinet secretary. she is secretary of the interior, which oversees federal lands. so, what are your hopes for her, now that she has a seat at the big table? >> i mean, indian cotry is rallying around deb holland. she's definitely from indian country, represents indian country, and there's an opportunity to have a voice at

the table. and so, some of the messages that we're sending is, you know, we need to start thinking about turning-- returning public lands, returning indigenous lands into indigenous hands. and that's what we talk a lot about in our land-back movement. we want to see some movement on that. we also want to make sure that-- that in our dealgs with the department of interior, that we end up actually moving to this era of consent, of consent. and i think that deb holland is big advocate for that. >> sy: nick tilson, joining us from the pine ridge indian reservation. thank you so much for sharing your perspective, nick. >> absolutely. thanks for having me on. >> woodruff: it is a week marked by a moment of reckoning for racial justice, by new calls to hold accountable those behind the january 6 insurrection, and

by president biden's ambitious push to combat climate change. to help make sense of it all, the analysis of brooks and capehart. that is "new york times" columnist david brooks and jonathan capehart, columnist for the "washington post." hello to both of you. it's so good to see you on this friday night. >> hello, judy. >> woodruff: a lot to talk about. let's start with the climate summit. david, president biden laying out some really ambitious goals, saying the u.s. needs to deeply cut carbon emissions. is it realistic and is life going to have to change in this country to get there? >> well, it's noble and it's the right policy. i'm not sure how realistic it is. it's a policy that's going to introduce a lot of electric vehicles, as we saw, we're going to have a new power grid. if all these things go through will we really cut emissions by 50%? at the height of covid when we were totally shut down, we cut emissions by 21%. so i'm not totally optimistic.

i think the experts that i've read said you have to do more. there has to be a price on carbon. you have to pretty much bet rid of natural gas, evolve that out, as well as oil-burning cars, that's pretty radical stuff: it's definitely a step in the right direction. i think the really hard thing is china. china is still burning coal plants,they're still producing more energy. john kerry our envoy wants to keep our climate change policy with china independent of all our other policies with china, as our relations get a lot rockier, as i imagine they will, i don't think that will be possible, so how will we create a global accord when we're in some sort of cold war with china. >> woodruff: what do you think, jonathan? are these things you think can really happen? >> i think i'm with david here. i'm not sure whether these

goals, the numbers that have been set are actually attainable. what i take from the climate summit this week is, you know, president biden, by told holding the summit with the 42 nations, is sending a couple of signals -- one, the united states is back in a leadership role in doing something about climate and doing something about climate change that it wants to lead the global effort, a recognition that, without the united states' participation, china and india will most definitely not participate in any action to do something about climate. and, so, if we're going to do anything, achieve any goal, we need to have the united states, china, india and the world united in at least doing something, and i think that's what this -- what that summit was about this week. >> woodruff: let me turn both of you to one to have the big developments in the week and that was, of course, the verdict in the derek chauvin trial

accused in the murder of george floyd. david, what do you take away from that and what effect do you think -- we talked about this some last week, but what effect do you think it could have on policing in this country and on relations between the races? >> well, you know, the most important news event that happened this week is something that didn't happen -- we didn't get an acquittal, we didn't get civil unrest, we didn't get another occasion where people would lose faith in the system and really be disgusted by the system, that didn't happen. and, so, we can look with some satisfaction at a trial where most people egregiousties was done and we can look back on an episode in american life from the time of george floyd's conkilling to the conviction the same way it hasn't been since the '60s, the subject has become a topic of constant

conversation and gradual truth bearing, and this has been an awkward set of circumstances for a lot of people, a lot of hard conversations. but to me it's, in a rough year, it's been an overall positive -- really positive development in american life. >> woodruff: and jonathan, do you see these hard conversations leading to something meaningful? >> i hope so, judy. you know, the conviction of chauvin, what's interesting is that, as wonderful as the conviction is, it is just a drop in the bucket in terms of solving the overall problem. just moments, literally, before the verdict came down, there was the shooting in columbus, and while we can, you know, quibble over the details of that shooting, the main thing that animates african-americans is this question -- why is it tht, when law enforcement and

african-americans interact, more often than not african-americans are the ones who are injured, shot or killed? and that is the overall question that needs to be answered, and i think these tough conversations that david is talking about that have been reignited over the last year, they must continue. this conversation cannot end. the chauvin guilty verdict on all three counts cannot be the end of the conversation. it has to be the beginning or the continuation of a conversation that has been needed to be had in america for a very long time. >> woodruff: and, david, do you see it continuing? >> i do, and i think there's going to be progress on policing. i'm optimistic that the united states senate, tim scott, the republican and cory booker the d.m. will reach a deal and we will actually have a maor police reform. i do think there has to be just a change in procedures, there

needs to be a change in culture. african-americans need to feel safe and that means the police have to be in the community working with the community, and police officers have to feel safe so that means the community needs to work with the police officers. so it's the relationship between people in the community and the police force. it's community policing in its real form that's the solution more than changing some procedures or immunities. >> woodruff: and jonathan, again, i know we talked about it last week, but is it your sense that, after this, we are going to see change? >> i do think so, and i think the passage of the george floyd justice and policing act would be a very good step. i am very optimistic about the bill's chances today more so than i was a week ago today. the fact that senators cory booker and tim scott and congresswoman karen bass who is the lead person in the house are all talking about ways to get this bill done, including a conversation about qualified imnity -- that is, making it possible for people to sue

police departments or police officers individually, that's a huge sticking point for republicans, but the fact that senator scott put out a compromise -- that is, well, maybe not the police officers individually, but police departments, let's have that conversation, that was a very good signal that the george floyd justice and policing act actually stands a chance of passing and becoming law. >> woodruff: and, david, there was a development thiseek around the attempt to come up with an independent commission to investigate what happened on january 6th, the insurrection at the capitol. speaker pelosi has now made stlees two sets of proposals, compromises to republicans, so far no agreement. how important is it that there be an independent investigation of what happened? >> this was a classic republican moment, nancy pelosi said she

made the two concessions, sent it to republicans, the republicans said, we got a letter, where's the letter. we're pretending to talk but we're not talking. it was a major event in american life, and, b, for republicans who want to broaden the scope, i don't think we should just investigation this as a one-day crime. i think we have an ongoing and growing problem of violent extremism in this country, mostly on the right and characterized by january 6 but also on the left. what is the map of violent extremism? how do these people communicate? is there outside help? there are fundamental the questions that if you broaden the scope of the thing would help us deal with whatever future charlottesville or portland is coming down the road, and i ink that is the core problem we're facing here. >> woodruff: do you think the scope should be broadened as republicans say they want? >> absolutely not. there is no comparison between the people, the insurrectionists

who stormed the capitol to subvert the will of the american people, there is no comparison between them and the loosely affiliated folks under the umbrella of so-called antifa. what happened on january 6 needs to be investigated. the people who are involved in the planning, the people who just unleashed violence on the u.s. capitol but on american democracy, we need to know what happened, why it happened, and how we can prevent that from happening. and what happened on the 6 6th is part of a larger problem in the country of the rise of far right extremism, and we should spend our final focused on that. >> woodruff: well, someone in connection with thawcialtion david, your column today in the "new york times," you carry a sobering warning about what's happened to republicans since president trump left office. spell out a little of what you're seeing and what your concern is.

>> you know, some of us had hopes that when trump was not spewing hate from the oval office, life would come down. the republican party has grown more radical in a specific way, more catastrophically pessimistic. in one poll people were asked do you think politics is for policies or national survival? more than 50% of trump voters think it's about national survival, only 19% think government is about policies. in another survey question people said which of these two communities do you more agree with, 's a big beautiful world filled with people mostly good or our lives are threatened with criminals and aliens, immigrants. 66% of trump voters supported our lives are threatened. here are people who feel their existence is threatened and they have to prepare for the coming conflagration and that's a horribly pessimist hong kong

idea in a country where democracy depends on having faith in each other and having psychic security so that deep pessimism is radicalizing the party ongoing. >> woodruff: jonathan, thoughts on that? >> i read david's column and i thought it was drisk and it is a sobering warning for the rest of the country. what has happened to the republican party, it's terrible for governance, but it's also terrible for the direction that the country is going and especially a country that is changing demographically as quickly as the united states. we are not going to be able to hold the enterprise that is america together as long as one of the two major parties in this country, one, doesn't govern and, two, gives voice to and gives cover for domestic terrorists, racism and the perpetuation of white supremacy. we will not survive if that is the way the republican party

will remain. >> woodruff: sobering ending to this conversation. david, we thank you, and jonathan we thank you. >> thanks, judy. you, too, judy. >> woodruff: once again, we remember some of the remarkable individuals who have lost their lives to covid-19. aaron aihini had a deep belly laugh and a natural charm, traits that made him a great friend and a gifted salesman, his family said. brooklyn-bred, he served in the korean war as a combat medic. days before shipping off, he married, starting a 69-year partnership. after years in sales, he opened

a wholesale bakery business with his son, best known for their take on the iconic new york "black and white" cookie. >> this is a new york product. it's a way of life in new york. >> woodruff: even at 89 years old, aaron was an avid baseball fan, who loved cheering on the yankees with his kids and grandkids, and cracking the bat on his neighborhood team. heather williams was usually the loudest mom cheering on the sidelines for her kids' sports games. born in oklahoma, she settled with her husband in houston, texas. the couple, both college athletes, loved sports, whether they were watching the texas longhorns or little league. heather was deeply compassionate and caring, her husband said, not only as a wife, mother and friend, but also as a teacher. the 42-year-old taught kids of all ages, from elementary to high school, in person and virtually throughout the

pandemic. jordan tassy was the "social glue" among his friends, who said he was outgoing, hilarious, and deeply loyal to those he loved. at high school in montclair, new jersey, a school project led jordan to discover an interest in and talent for photography. when he graduated, jordan, known to friends as "polo," launched a film business called "polo films," where he directed and shot music videos and performances for aspiring artists. jordan was 22 years old. teresa twist was told to drop out of high school when she couldn't read the chalkboard, and soon after, was declared legally blind. she left and became a mother, but she never lost her drive to get educated.

decades later, she completed her degree. from there on, teresa dedicated herself to helping other children with disabilities, as a teacher's aide in ocala, florida. fun and bubbly, the 62-year-old wife and mother was easy to befriend, striking a special bond with her oldest granddaughter. coach damien jackson never raised his voice off the field. a former high school football and track star, daen returned to his alma mater in columbia, south carolina as a math teacher, offensive coordinator and girls' track and field coach. in every role, he was calm and steady, a great listener, and a sounding board for anyone in need, his wife said. after a long friendship and courtship, the pair tied the knot and had two children of their own. damien was 42 years old. and we thank family members for sharing these stories with us.

our hearts go out to you, as they do to everyone who's lost a loved one in this pandemic. >> woodruff: it turns out, being the biggest and richest does not mean you always win. as amna nawaz reports, this week, football fans unite to score their goal of blocking a secret, super soccer league. >> nawaz: judy, imagine in pro baseball, that the yankees, red sox, and the cubs broke away with other profitable teams to set up their own league. that is what these european soccer clubs were trying to do, and their failure is a stunning 180 for some powerful team owners, who aren'used to the word "no." just days after the so-called "super league" was unveiled, the architects of the scheme scuttled their plans and apologized, facing enraged fans and governments. for more on what happened, and

why it matters, even outside the soccer world, we're joined by roger bennett. he is the co-host of the "men in blazers" tv show, and the author of the upcoming book, "reborn in the usa: an englishman's love letter to his adopted home." roger bennett, welcome back to the "newshour", and help us understand how, in the span of five days, we went from super league to super fail. what exactly happened? amna, it's been an historic, shocking, remarkable ek for global football. it all began sunday night, when twelve of the biggest teams in europe announced they'd signed off in secret to a breakaway pan-european league, the super league backed by jp morgan in which the six richest teams in england would join three each from italy and spain and they'd play each other on an annual basis, a bit like if duke, north carolina and kansas announced a breakaway from "march madness" in which they'd

guarantee participation every single year. this would have transformed the complex european football pyramid which has taken 140 years to turn it into a wrestlemania tile, profit max midsing, blockbuster events and you had oligarchs and industrialists making a power grab, and astonishingly, it felt unstoppable sunday night but on tuesday it fell apart. >> reporter: how did it fall apart? when it came to the opposition, where was the loudest opposition coming from to this? >> it did do something remarkable for a moment, the super league. it united fans, it united players, it united james corden, even the royal family weighed in, and it turned out to be a rollout, which really it was a sporting version of new coke, a massive money plan put together by billionaires who hired a cross continental p.r. specialist, lobbyist, hold troll

forums and out of all the scenarios and they really did plan for this, the possibility of their own fans turning on them clearly never crossed their minds. they thought the only challenges would come from supporters of the lesser clubs that they'd left behind in the dust, which proved to be historic mistake perhaps in football history because english football fans are tribal,hey are f.a.r.c. nat. the clubs are so deeply rooted in the community, such an expression of the fans' identity. they're not afterthawtsz, the fans are not customers, the teams are not franchises, and the american owners who drove the premier league plan in england didn't understand how much fans care, they didn't understand the heart of football and not recognizing that they stuck a dagger straight into that heart. >> reporter: some to have the american owners are familiar names. john henry tones the boston

red sox, the glazer family who own manchester united also own the tampa bay buck near as. i think it baffles people that they misread the fans o deeply. help us understand, is there a sports culture divide there that the american and foreign owners just didn't get what was going on on the ground? >> it is truly remarkable to me that they own something that is so widely popular and that they have no sense of exactly what they own. one of the american owners stan kroenke of the l.a. rams football club are playing as we speak, the fans over a thousand surrounded the stadium and demanded he sell off immediately. it's like a scene from "les miz," do you hear the people sing the song of angry men? it's not so simple. not that many individuals have $3 billion lying around to replace these gentlemen, and

that's the battle. what now for the teams. >> reporter: what happened not just for the sport but the business growing rapidly across asia, certainly here in the u.s., with all these plotting and scheming and these leaders being called traitors, how does this move forward? >> on tuesday, when one to have the teams, manchester city pulled out of their plans to join the super league, ue the governing body in europe released a statement welcoming manchester back into the european family which is predictable but shocking because 24 hours earlier, manchester city were turn coats, defacters, trying to destroy everything, but they will be welcomed back. there's so much money at stake, and while the super league has student, the american league have apologies towards josh kroenke, apologized to fans that particularly didn't go well, and

john henry the red sox owner released a video in which he papologized, accepted full blam, and it was kind as effective at coreleone apologizing for betraying the family. a sign was fans won, billionaires zero. important to realize the bodies of football remain more corrupt h. there will be a lot of talk about reform but this is one war that's been won, and there are many battle it is to come. >> reporter: a "star wars," godfather and "les miz" reference wrapped up in one. roger bennett, co-host of men in blazers. always good to see you. come back soon. >> send my love to judy woodruff. courage. >> woodruff: thank you, amna, we love any godfather reference.

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