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judy: kyle rittenhouse, the teenager on trial for killing two people and shooting and wounding a third in kenosha, wisconsin was acquitted by a jury today on all counts. the now 18 year-old faceed five charges including intentional homicide, reck less endangerment of public safety and use of a weapon. the case was watched around the nation, and the jury delivered its verdict early this afternoon. >> we the jury find the defendant kyle h. rittenhouse not guilty. >> members of the jury, are these your unanimous verdicts? is there anyone who does not agree with the verdict as read? >> no. >> you wish the jury polled? >> yes. judy: kyle rittenhouse shot two people after protests and riots broke out in kenosha in august

2020 that civil unrest had been trigger bid the police shooting of jacob blake, a black resident three days before rittenhouse then 17 drove from his home in illinois to kenosha and walked the streets with a semi-automatic rifle. he claimed that he was attacked and shot in self defense the case became a flash point in the debate over whether rittenhouse was a vigilante or defending himself. rittenhouse's attorney mark richards spoke after the verdict. >> kyle is not here. he's on his way home. he wants to get on with his life. he has a huge sense of relief for what the jury did to him today the story that came out from the beginning was not true story. and that was something that we had to work to overcome in court. and we think we did that.

judy: victim anthony huber's parent herb shoe add state. today's verdict means there's no accountability for the person who murdered our son. they wrote, it sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street. president biden said in a statement that he joined other americans who are angry and concerned over the verdict. but said it was important to abide by the jury's decision peacefully. joining me now is david schaffer action correspondent for n. p.r. and wisconsin attorney, julius kemp, a district attorney in milwaukee county. welcome to both of you. david, i'm going to start with you i know you were at that time courthouse when this verdict came down. tell us what you saw, reaction to it? >> well, it's a sharply divided reaction. you have people on both sides of the political isle and both

sides of the spectrum in terms of what they thought of kyle rittenhouse and whether or not they thought he was guilty. there were some people who celebrated immediately some people drove by the courthouse honking horns and there was a significant amount of people who were very upset and very angry when they heard the verdict. and those are the folks who are -- are speaking out and -- and probably demonstrating. i i think there are free throws going on as we speak. we're going see a little bit more shouting and protesting over this violence here. judy: and julius, you are a foreman prosecute or. was this a hard case for the d.a. for the prosecution to make? >> absolutely. i think that we can all tell that it was going to be a difficult case as the trial progressed because we got to see some of the evident others. when we put our eyes to the evident and we realized there might be more to the situation

than we were first aware of the video in particular shows joseph rosenbaum pursuing kyle rittenhouse before that first shooting and secondly right before the huber shooting, the video showed kyle rittenhouse for all swepts and purposes being attacked, not only by anthony hubert but by other people and was in a vulnerable position when he walked up to him with a handgun. right there, we could tell that this was going to ba difficult case and that the state's witnesses weren't going to be perfect in this particular case. judy: grosskreutz was injured and then testified at that time trial. david schaffer, i want to come back to you. there was a comment during the trial about the judge and what seemed to be his -- pointed rebukes of the prosecute or of the district attorney in the case. what did you see about that?

and what sort of reaction was that getting during the trial? >> well, there was a lot of people who thought that the -- there was a lot of animosity -- maybe not animosity is probably the wrong word but there was a lot of tension between the judge and the prosecution the judge clearly felt that the prosecute or went over the line in his questioning of kyle rittenhouse. and the folks outside of the courthouse believe that the judge was a little slanted in favor of rittenhouse and the defense. i don't know that if you look at that time record that that's really true. you know, my among of the courts here in wisconsin and really across the country is judges really do try to work hard to -- to be fire both sides. but he clearly felt that that line of questioning was out of bounds and made his displeasure known. it would have been interesting to see had there been a conviction on any of the counts

if the judge would have declare add mistrial as the defense had motion for. judy: and julius, i don't know if you had any experience with that or not, but what was your thought on the judge's handling of this case? and what were your expectations as you listen to the arguments? >> yeah action lot of -- much to do has been made about the judge's rulings and some of the things he did in court. he played jeopardy. he loved to tell anecdotes and tell little stories. but what i was looking at more and focusing more on were his legal rulings. he's been around a long time. he's the oldest serving judge in the state of wisconsin. and he does things his way. where which is his prerogative. it's his courtroom he's entitled to have his personality. i don't think anyone can think that he is a thoughtful judge. he thinks to think aloud sometimes. but he gives both sides an opportunity to argue their

positions. he always says -- state, do you have a sentence defense, do you have a response. some of the rulings -- not everyone agreed with his rulings, but in the end i thought that they were generally fair and there was some logic behind it. this is just a matter of people not realizing that the judge has the power to make these decisions during the course of the trial and he exercised them. judy: and julius kim just staying with you. we're hearing comment including from the parents of one of the victims about whether this sets some kind of precedent whether officially or unofficially that it's ok bring a gun to a protest from a legal standpoint is there precedent here in some way? >> i dope think there's any specific precedent in regards to this case moving forward. people tend to think that cases like this set a precedent.

i think that's a dangerous thought process because this was a very, very unique case in that we had very specific facts in this case. we had video evidence showing exactly what precipitated the shootings. and that might not happen in every situation. and so if people get the notion that they can show up to a protest with a long gun and the law would protect them as a matter of course, i think that would be a mistake. judy: and david schaffer, back to you you said there was an expectation or a question about whether there will be protests today, tonight, into tevining -- the evening. what are the expectation there is in kenosha? >> i do think this verdict to some of the folks who have been involved in the protest movement here in kenosha have told me that they -- they are a little bit more concerned than they were prior to this whole incident.

yeah, there might be people out there with guns who might feel a little bit emboldened. some people told me they no longer feel safe in their own community. there are -- i think they do feel that they need to make their voices heard. and their voices need be heard on a broader set of issues in terms of racial justice, in terms of equality of opportunity in a community lying this. and you know, southeast wisconsin has some of the widest racial disparities in the entire country and theyant to make their voices heard they do want to get out there and protest. there's a little bit of angst over that and what could possibly happen if violenceoes rear its ugly head here. >> well, we certainly hope that's not the case but i know that you and other reporters are going to be following this. and we certainly will be following what -- what happens in the kenosha area going forward. david schaffer, thank you very

much, and julius kim, we appreciate i. thank you. >> thank you, judy. >> thank you. ♪ stephanie: i'm stephanie sy with newshour west. we'll return to the full program after the latest headlines the house of representatives narrowly passed president biden's massive built back better legislation after republican leader kevin mccarty stalled the vote for more than eight hours overnight. the sweeping climate bill go to the senate where it will face scrutiny. we'll have more on this. all adults in dust are eligible to receive covid-19 booster shots the c.d.c. approved their use hours after the f.d.a. cleared the added dose. we'll take a look at boosters in the program. overseas, austria's leader announce a plan for a nationwide

lockdown to help slow a surge in covid infections. it will go into effect on monday the country will mandate covid vaccinations next year >> we have decide to make vaccinations compulsory across the country this. will begin february 1st, increasing vaccination rates is our only way out of this vicious circles of virus waves and vicious lockdowns. we don't want a fifth wave. we don't want a sixth an scent wave. stephanie: this will be the continent's first nationwide vaccination mandate. parts of europe are seeing record numbers of daily infections. and late today riots broke out in the netherlands over the measures. jury deliberations began in virginia in the civil trial of white nationalist at the 2017 unite the right rally in charlottesville. they face charges of conspiracy to commit racially motivated violence after marching through the streets carrying torches and

yelling racist and anti-mitic rhetoric. one counter protest or died and dozens more were injured. in india, the prime minister has agreed to repeal controversial farm laws after thousands of farmers pro tested against them over the past year. the repeal process will begin i december when india's parliament reconvenes. farmers took to the street to celebrate the surprise announcement. many were cautiously optimistic. >> we welcome prime minister modi's announcement but the farmers will not live this protest sight eagle in laws are repealed in the parliament. >> farmers make up one of india's most influential voting blocks the reversal comes as modi's party faces re-elections next year the u.n. is calling on china to provide proof of tennis star's where abouts. she made sexual assault allegations over a top official.

beijing said they were not aware of her disappearance. the died bideen administration voiced concerned about louis dejoy's leadership at that time u.s. postal service the post master general is a trump era employee. he came under fire for making changes that slowed mail delivery times as many voters were mailing in their voting presidential ballots. >> we, we continue to be deeply troubled as many americans by the early reporting on postmaster general dejoy's potential conflict of interest and taken serious issues with the job he's doing running the postal service. >> he can only be remove bid the u.s. postal board of governor. president bind announce add plan to replace some on the board with two members.

charles chuck sam thanked tribal elders for their counsel and said he is on in order he's the first park director in nearly five years. president bind had his annual physical examination at walter reed on the eve of his 79th birthday. his physician said he was fit for duty. after a colonoscopy, he transferred power to vice president harris. and the gobbler named peanut butter and jelly were pardoned by president biden at that time white house today. they'll live out their days at a farm in purdue university in indiana. still to come on "the newshour," how today to get boosters for everyone 18 years and older as covid cases continue to rise in the u.s. and the challenges that wrongly

convicted people struggle with. and we weigh in on the house passing the build back better bill. plus, much more. announcer: this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and from the walter cronkite school of journalism. judy: as we reported, house democrats are heading into the holiday with a victory after passing the build back better bill. lisa desjardins in what's in the sweeping legislation. >> on this vote, the yays are 220. the nays are 213 the build back better bill is passed. >> for house democrats loud cheers at the end of a long road as this morn morning they passed president bind's build back

better act. it covers a host of issues, combating climate change, providing universe al pre-school, expanding government healthcare coverage and creating more subsidized affordable housing, provideing new programs and spending. democrats provide money by increasing taxes on big corporation and the wealthiest americans. last night after weeks of drama, the bill seemed on track for quick passage eagle in last republican to speak, house minority leader kevin mccarthy took the floor. >> every page of all this new washington spending will be paid for or borrowed from you, the american hard-working taxpayer. >> technically given one minute to speak, mccarthy has the right to go as long as he likes. he turned that one minute into eight and a half hours of speaking against the build back better plan, breaking the record

set by pelosi for the longest speech on the house floor. it made history and instantly internet memes. alexandria ocasio-cortez took to instagram to mock. >> look at those different color ed ties and haircuts, i have never seen a more diverse republican party than the one behind kevin mccarthy right now. >> mccarty spoke until nearly 5:30 in the morning at times thundering in opposition to the bill. >> you're celebrating it when inflation is at a 31% hike! gas prices! thanksgiving! a border that in a few months breaks every record of of the last three years combined! >> size up the tactic nancy pelosi sent democrats home and pushed the vote until daylight. when she got her turn to speak. and as a court steve: my

colleagues, i will be brief. >> after a jab at her republican rivals' speaking time, pelosi respond. >> much has been said on this floor. but the facts are these. following the vision of president biden guide bid the expertise and energy of our chairs, members and staff, we have built back better bill that is historic, transformative and larger than anything we have ever done before. >> in the end, pelosi lost only one democratic vote, jared golden of maine. on twitter he said the bill offered too much help for some of the wealthy and could be bert. golden's concerns foreshadowed the next fight straight ahead as the bill goes to the u.s. senate. >> and lisa joins me now after a night of not much sleep. so let's talk about this. as you said sweeping bill $1.7 trillion. let's break out some of the bigger pieces. talk about what tease largest thing in here.

-- what's the largest thing in here? >> at that time top of the list of many large programs is this is childcare. combine the childcare and preschools programs together are $400 billion in this bill. let's take people through that that's a big chunk right there. what this would do is offer voluntary free pre-school for ages 3 and 4. and also for the majority of families with kids up to age 5, it would cap their childcare cost no greater than 7% of their income. that's a c change. it's a bit like medicaid. it's a questions of which states would do it, which states would not. but this childcare portion is on an obamacare scale even larger potentially if many states sign-up. they saids it's a sweeping program. too much government and it could hurt the childcare industry if it's not done well.

judy: i'm going to have you break out another piece of this, and that's climate change. we know what a priority that is what does the goal to answer read that? >> this bill has climate change in almost every section. there are 55 that's different programs dealing with climate in this. but i want to talk about sort of overall some of the biggest items. overall this bill spends over $550 billion to be exact on climate. there are tax credits for energy, efficiency in your home, in your workplace, new kind of electric cars, even electric bicycles are in here. there's a limit of methane gas. there would be a cost for industries that emit too much methane gas turned current form of the bill. we'll have to see if this remains in it. there's the civilian climate core that's something that senator bernie sanders wanted. interesting that would be young people doing climate projects across the project it would be part of ameri corp.

their budget right now, $1 million the budgets for this $15 billion. it would make ameri corp a much larger department. it would change the nature of what it does. judy: solissa, this obviously comes with a price tag. and you were talking about that last night. but we now know more what can you tell us? >> i'm really glad to be able to talk about this. now, this bill does add to the deficit. but i depends on who you talk to. let's go over what we talked about last night. here's the congressional budget office score that we talked about. $367 billion added to the deficit. that's from the main bill, the programs and the spending involved. however, there is a separate portion that c.b.o. did not score along with that which has stepped up i.r.s. enforcement the idea of finding people cheat on their tax. c.b.o. estimate that is that part of the bill could bring in over $200 billion so do the math. you add that all up.

what do you get? a deficit of $160 billion. not as much as that bigger number. democrats look at this, they say that i.r.s. number too small. they think actually they'll get like $400 billion. maybe much more than that that's how they argue this is paid for. they think it is shallow and that the money will come in. judy: if it's 160 divided by 10. so we know you've been reading this 2,000-page bill what else has caught your eye? lisa: how much dime you have? judy: hours. lisa: let's do it. there's something they want to give people the scope of this big and small. there's a small amount of money in this bill which is $50 billion. it's not much. but it's to protect older forest. things like the sequoias. and also something that's in here that one of o produceers spot spotted payroll credit

first local neuse and journalists to try to encourage local news again. and also something i want to talk about tha i spotted this. is an attempt to phase out sub minimum wage for workers with disabilities. since 1938, this country has allowed certificates so that some employers can pay workers with disabilityies sub minimum wage as low as $3, $4 an hour this. bill will raise the wages. it's a complicated debate because they want to keep the number of jobs while increasing those wages. this bill taken stabbed. it's a bipartisan idea that's in here. judy: a lot of people didn't realize that that it could be below minimum wage. now, it goes to the senate and you're reporting on that lisa: i will. judy: lisa desjardins. thank you. lisa: you're welcome. ♪

judy: as we reported the government's top government agency is making vaccines boosters available to anyone 18 years or older the change is aimed at helping during the winter months ahead. >> judy, starting this weekend, boosters will now be available for any of the three federally approved vaccines. that's 10 states had already made this change as covid case rise up 33% in the last two weeks. for the moment, death rates are stable. but the country is still averaging more than 1100 death as day. i'm joined by a doctor from the university of california at san francisco. doctor, thank you for joining us on "the newshour." let's get right to it. would you at this pointed a vise every doubt gate booster shot and why or why not? >> i would. i got mine a month or so i have adviseed my 38 and 30

year-old to get boosters as well. we know that the efficacy of the original shot starts waning at about five months and wanes the more time goes on. and the boosters do three things. one is they prevent mild infections but mild infections can lead to long covid the second is they can prevent severe infections which can lead to hospitalizations and death. and the third is they keep the community safer. they decrease the amount of covid in the community. >> isn't it still though, doctor, the unvaccinated that are most at risk not only for severe covid but behind community spread? >> no question about it. and early on, people said well, we should really concentrate on vaccinating the unvaccinated. when i heard that, i would say what exactly does that mean? what are we not doing to try to get the unvaccinated vaccinated? we've done everything, i think we can humanly possibly do. there are enough shots for everyone. at this point we can walk and chew bubble gum. we have tokens continue to

concentrate on trying to get people vaccinated in the first place, but we also have to protect everyone else if you're vainated but you're more than six months out, your level of protection is now somewhere between fully vaccinate and unvaccinated. it's time boost it up. >> let's talk about the efficacy of the booster shot. does that mean you won't get covid-19 and will we have to get booster shots every six months? >> the vaccines aren't perfect although these -- these are extraordinary effective. what the booster does is take -- if you remember those original efficacy numbers of 95% effective in preventing cases of covid. that number had waned to 50% or 60% t. boosters bump you back up to that's 95%. you're probably even a little bit better protected than you were after your two shots. they are miraculously effective. how long does it take before they kick in? it looks like about a week so a week after you've gotten your booster, you're back up to

a level of protection that was similar to a level you had two weeks after your second shot. when will we need another shot? i think we will know when we know. there's no way of knowing because these shots wayneed in six months does not mean that the boost >> he wane in six months because we had a lag in time, it gave the immune system time mature. there's a good chance that we might need one every we're or two years i think we'll only know as we see what happens over time. stephanie: sure. as we head into the holidays, though, doctor, people expected to gather if you have a booster shot, should you feel comfortable not wear ago mask around your grandparents again, shopping at the mall without a mask? >> well, the way i approach life, stephanie, now that i have gotten my booster, i am perfectly comfortable hanging around in indoor spaces with other people who are fully vaccinated and if they're eligible have also gotten a booster anything other than that,

hanging around unvaccinated people or people who got a shot nine months ago, i'm a little more careful. i would wear a mask in those circumstances if you can't like you're having thanksgiving dinner, i think that's a good juice of a rapid test if someone's unvaccinate and or someone hasn't gotten a booster, it's reasonable to test them if they're negative you can be confident that they're not infectious that day. that makes it safer the rule is vaccinated plus booster if you're eligible you are really good to go. and if you're hanging out with other people like that, you really are quite safe. >> really appreciate the clear advice. the chair of the department of medicine at u.c. san francisco. thank you. >> thank you. ♪ judy: we've been exploring this week the many challenges people face off incarceration from getting healthcare to

reconnecting with family. but for those wrongably convict and in prisonnd and then fortunate much to be freed those same challenges exist. and for many there's even less support than for those who committed crimes are and are released on pa colorado amna navaz reports on the struggle after freedom is won. it's part of our series "searching for justice" >> what about this? where is this from? >> prison. these are all prison pictures. >> over two years ago, rickey kidd walked out of a missouri prison after 23 years behind bars. he had been wrongly convicted for two murders he always said he didn't commit. in the two short years he's been free, cade got married. moved this house, start add business and welcomed his new daughter harmony justice into the world. >> look at me, daddy.

>> freedom is the ability to embrace life fully. it feels like freedom because i'm embracing it fully. >> since his release, kidd has traveled across the country. he put his feet in the ocean for the first time. >> did you ever think that you wouldn't get out? >> he even came by "the newshour" for an interview with his lawyer. >> we dime see you all two years ago. >> i recognize that set anywhere. >> right now, we have your book "the workshop." >> and with his wife dawn, he's built public speaking business sharing his story, advocate egg for criminal justice reform and -- advocating for criminal justice reform and others. >> i have a lot to be thankful especially when you compare it for other people who are languishing for crimes they didn't commit. >> you check tall boxes -- all the boxes, home, family, everything seems really good.

what's happening inside? >> sometimes i'm overwhelmed. it's a lot. and it comes out of nowhere. i think i got this -- i got this. i got this. and then i feel like i don't have it. anxiety, nightmares began to surface, horrible nightmares. terror the public, the story of most exon norrees begin after they get out of prison but they have a new struggle. >> from the outside it looks like kidd has moved on. but inside, he is grab lg with his past in his basement storm shelter, he create add replica of his prison cell down to the items he had during incarceration. >> this is my id. >> this is your actual id.

>> department of correction offender, little of rickey k.d. >> and they usually call your 528343, not your name. they want you to respond, 528543 >> do you think you'll matter number? >> no. >> still he visit this is place every morning. >> sometimes i'm thinking about what i've been through that i was once here. sometimes i'm thinking about the other people are still here >> imagine waking up in a maximum level five prison -- >> he filmed an online sentence reliving his prison days. it became overwhelming so it stopped. he's a die picket. earlier this year he had an emergency triple bypass surgery. he struggled with his breathing a complication from that surgery. he blames more than two decades of poor prison healthcare, unhealthy prison food and the stress of being wrongfully

imprisoned and fighting to prove it. on top of that he's received no support nor compensation from the state of missouri. >> you took all my 20's. you took all my 30's and you took half of my 40's. at that stage people have been working and a little diligent and a little discipline, they have a little something. well, i came home at 45 and had nothing. >> is there a way for them to make you whole? can they do something to make it right? >> no. i don't think there's anything that they can do to make me whole. there are things they koo do to make it better. -- they can do do to make it better. but we're still left wound. we're still left with our wounds. and that's -- that's a consequence of a wrongful conviction in america r. -- america. >> on a chilly morning, rickey's

lawyer sean o'brien is picking up joe amron another former client to go grocery shopping. >> do you remember limans' case? >> i do remember his case. >> sean's helped free more than a dozen wngfully convicted people and his career as a law profess or and defense attorney. in 2003 it was his turn after spending 17 years on death row. >> when you know everybody in the state, everybody in the room want you dead, there ain't much you can do. you can't imagine that. everybody want me dead. >> he could have been executed any time -- >> for a crime he didn't commit. >> every month they executed one of these 10 men. after they executed them on midnight on the first tuesday of the knight of month, they would come back into the office that morning and issue a new warrant

for the next one. about midway through that process, one of his friends who he had known since junior high school was executed. and he called me the next morning and said, i want to be next because i can't do this again. >> since being released, he has struggled with his health, holding down a job, and meeting basic needs. >> when you got out, what kind of support did you get? >> i had none whatsoever. no support whatsoever. get getting my driver's license and social security card, filling out paperwork or something, i was lost. >> he is dependent from people like sean to keep the lights on and keep the refrigerator stocked. >> he's food insecure for crying out loud that's wrong. you know, if i don't -- if i don't periodically take him to the grocery store, you know, he'll call me up and say i don't have anything. i haven't eaten in a week. >> across the country, the support and compensation

exonoree, s differsst -- differs drastically. qualifying for and accessing support is another story entirely in missouri, one of the state's that has a law in the books,le joe and rickey kidd don't qualify for help because they weren't exonerated through a specific mechanism involving d.n.a. evidence. >> you can count on one hand the number of people who have qualified for support under missouri's compensation statute. he would be better off if he had been guilty and -- and then real estate leased on parole because a parole officer would help him get public assistance would constantly bonn the lookout for job leads and -- >> he would be better off if he had actually done the crime. he would have more support coming out. >> he would be better off if he had done the crime and been released on parole. >> yeah, i'm mad.

i'm still mad. i'm really mad. i'm going to stay mad. eagle in day i die i'm going be mad because they took my life. >> so far, rickey kidd's experience after prison has been very different than joe. he counts himself lucky. >> for the first time i felt bitterness towards the state. but the trauma, the loss, the anger, many of those are the same. kidd recently began seeing a therapist to work through those issues. he's currently suing the kansas city police department in civil court which could take years because of government al immunity, sean o'brien says most clients get nothing. in the meantime, he's trying to focus ton positive each day advocating for the friends he left behind, the wrongful convictions he can prevent and redefining what freedom means. >> these things that i always wanted to happen. and now they happened. >> not wasting the day. >> not wasting the day. >> for the "pbs newshour" i'm am

na navaz. judy: you can learn about him on "broken justice" and the details that led to his incarceration. ♪ p judy: as we reported earlier, president bind's build back bert plan was passed by the house of representatives and kyle rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges. we turn to the analyst of capehart and garrett abernathy. david brook away. it's very, very good to see both of you tonight. thank you for being here. let's start with theews that broke today. and that is the verdict ton kyle

rittenhouse case. he had been accused of murders, two murders, shooting. the jury found him not guilty on all charges. the country has been on tern hooks when it comes to a number of issues related to race. and race didn't come up specifically in this trial, but it certainly was around it. do you think this will have any effect on the conversation the country is having right now? >> lit have an effect on the conversation in that it focuses the mind on the system that mate possible for a teenager with an illegal gun in a town that was not his own after curfew who shot and killed two people and wounded a third was able to be found not guilty. you know, raceas not a part of this conversation. because we have to remember the victims here, and they were

victims, they're all white. but there's pain in the black community because we are seeing how justice is meeted out depending on who you are. and there was a great cartoon, sad cartoon in "the post." there you you have trayvon martin skittles in one hand, iced tea in the other. george zimmerman called 911, a juana be neighborhood watch person, called 911 and said there's a very suspicious-look ing guy and ends up shooting and killing trayvon martin. and there you see kyle rittenhouse carrying -- carrying an assault rifle in the streets and killed two people. and he gets to go home. and one more thing -- and gary, you're from ohio, if i remember right. i kept thinking about the shooting of john crawford, iii.

beaver creek, ohio in august of 2014. he's in wal-mart. he's looking for maybe a gifts or present first a young person in his family. he picks up a toy assault rifle just walking through the aisles in wal-mart shopping like anybody does. someone calls 911. the police show up. they see him and they kill him. he's carrying an assault rifle, a toy assault rifle in a toy shopping like anyone else. in ohio, it is an open-carry state so why didn't the police take that into account whether it's a toy or not? so i think the kyle rittenhouse case just -- just adds to the that was we have been having in this country about the role -- the role of race, the role of law, and the role of the two in -- in holding us back quite frankly. judy: and gary, as we said, race was not a part of this -- of

this case. it didn't come up in the courtroom. a jury heard the case. they heard the -- the argument of self defense, and they agreed with it. >> so much can be said about this whole thing. it's a sad situation. there are no winners today. i've read a lot of people saying they're celebrating the verdict well, there's nothing to celebrate. it's a tragedy two people died in this situation. it's a tragic, tragic case. a 17 year-old, i agree should haven't been bringing that gun to that situation. but there was also quite a rush to -- to judgment the first 24 hours or so this happened. there were a lot of things said about oh, this -- this young man was a trump supporter. we read that. he had been at trump rally. and then a few months later, this happened. there's a connection between these two things. once the evidence came out, once we began to see video of what

happened, it became very, very clear there's a different narrative here than the narrative we heard at first. and the jury, you know, i've -- i've covered trials. anyone who has covered trials understands it doesn't matter how much you read in the media, it doesn't matter how much of a trial you watch on television, when you're a jury or you're sitting in that courtroom, you have a different perspective of what's going on. >> when you are a jury or you are watching the trial, you have a different perspective of what's going on in that jury reached a verdict. there's an old saying from judges and lawyers, justice is a process, not an outcome. the process happened, justice was done, and in that, the process happen. people will always disagree on verdicts. but justice was done because the process happened. >> i would say in response, i'm not surprised by the verdict because of the instructions from the judge, because of wisconsin law and the law as it pertains to self-defense.

i read parts of the statute and i'm looking at it and thinking, if i were on that jury and this was the evidence that was presented to me and i take my role as a juror seriously, what else am i left to do? but that is not an indictment of the jury, that's an indictment of the law. that is an indictment i think of society in that come to your point, you can take a video in a different narrative shows up, but that then requires you to live in a silo and not take into account why on earth was he there in the first place? he shouldn't have been there. so great on the law, he should have been released, but that's not how people live. that's why i think people are outraged by this verdict. >> the former milwaukee prosecutor saying earlier, there is concern that this may send a message that it's okay

to carry a gun to protest. >> it's not. and you shouldn't do that, and i'm going to guess that if he had to do it over again, how many of us at 17 make bad decisions and fortunately most of the time they don't turn out this way, that bad. but i'm betting he wouldn't do it again, i would hope you wouldn't do it again. >> a tragic thing no matter which side you are on. build back better. the house of representatives, where did i come up with that term? the house of representatives passed it today after weeks and months of discussion and debate, two completely different stories, the republican say it socialism, democrats say it's such an important additional help for raising children and education and healthcare, for the climate, and climate change, which one is it? >> obviously it's what the democrats are saying.

the republicans will brand anything socialism and they don't bring anything to the table as an alternative, as a positive alternative to what the democrats are presenting. with the house of representatives did today bypassing build back better was to put down a marker and show the american people what congress wants to do for them. everyone is talking about the economy and inflation and cost ourselves high and you look at build back better and there's an opportunity to bring down your childcare cost and your home care cost and your healthcare cost and that's what congress should be doing. that's what washington should be doing, looking at the problems of the country and the american people and the american worker and american productivity and doing something about it. with the house passing it, they have sent a message, this is the package. of course it's just the house and all the action goes to the senate where this might be a

shadow of its former self by the time it comes out of the senate, but this should be unadulterated joy that democrats have been able to do this at this point in time right now. >> adulterated a little bit. this is a classic example of the different attitudes between the role of government. the infrastructure bill that was passed earlier, the 1.2 trillion is the role of government. that's how a lot of republicans used to look at it, beginning last year we've talked about this before, under trump there was a lot of abandonment of this traditional republican attitude about the role of government, because trump wasn't afraid to spend money, he wasn't afraid to give tax cuts and then spend money on top of the tax cuts, he was all for infrastructure, but what you are hearing today is the

infrastructure bill was one thing, but now, i won't use the word socialist tonight, i will just call it a progressive social it does it aggressive wish list of things that progressive believe government should do. it is right there and that's what joe biden, if that's what he wants his legacy to be, we will see how voters feel about it, but to get down to the $2 trillion price tag, 1.8, whatever we want to call it, they've played some tricks, they've got several things in here they are touting that will set out very quickly, in four years, the preschool, the child tax credit, the healthcare expansion, and if there's a republican congress, we are doubtful they are going to re- up this so a lot of things that are being celebrated on the last

left may not last very long but >> so this may be ephemeral. >> it may be, it may not. folks were really angry about the affordable care act and republicans ran on replace and repeal and when they had the majorities in both the house and senate, they didn't replace or repeal anything.. >> they did get rid of the individual mandate. >> in washington the hardest part is getting something into law. it's hard to get stuff into law and it's even harder to pull it out. especially if it's popular and especially if it helps people. >> that's a good point, so it depends on how america reacts to it over the next couple of years, you are right, if this becomes popular it will be difficult, more difficult than it sounds even if republicans take over to reverse it. >> are there any parts of this bundle of programs that

republicans can be comfortable with? >> i don't think so. if you're talking about congressional republicans, i don't think so and that was evidenced by the vote in the house and i think you will probably see a very similar vote if this comes down to joe manchin and kristin cinema. >> remember, the build back better, when it gets to the senate and the republicans made it clear, we are not voting for this, whatever you come up with and that's why it will be voted by simple majority through reconciliation rules so that's why they are able to do all this negotiating, not worrying about what republicans think because they've already said we don't care. >> and my immigration may come out of it. >> it's a shame, because i heard speaker pelosi today after the houseboat they were talking to her about kevin mccarthy's long marathon eight hours speech and what he had to say and she said, i don't pay attention, i don't listen to them, and that's a shame. >> gary abernathy, thank you both.

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