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echoed in the halls of the united nations today as president for lot a mere zelinski issued a condemnation f the world body and the united nations security council in particular where russia sits as a permanent member -- president volodymyr zelenskyy. we begin again with our special correspondent and videographer who traveled to the city near where the destruction wrought by russia is near total. and again, a warning. you may find images in this report upsetting. >> just 15 miles northwest of the site of atrocities committed by russia, residents are only

starting to grapple with the enormity of the destruction wrought by aerial bombardment on the small suburb of kyiv. >> there were people in the basement of that building and people in the basement of that one. some people were buried. >> i ask how she is holding up. >> what can i do? i have a small child. if i get upset, she will get upset. >> collecting the dead bodies of people who were killed during the russian occupation of this area during the fighting that took place here. most of them were killed in bombings or schelling's apparently, but at least one of the men we have seen appears to have been executed. he had his hands tied behind his back. >> the russian retreat from the areas around kyiv has revealed a

heavy toll civilns paid for russia's attempt to capture the ukrainian capital. a picture emerges of a pattern of apparent war crimes. this body is badly bruised, suggesting a brutal beating. his hands are tied behind his back and there is a bag over his head. >> in the case of this body, he's tied up. the cause of death with either a gunshot wound for injuries sustained by the body he could not survive. we don't know for sure. after the coroner's investigation, we will identify the cause of death. >> residents told us russian troops went from house to house, checking duments and confiscating phones. men were asked if they had any connections to the military. >> they check homes. the first thing they asked was if there were military people for weapons. if there were military people, they shot them. one guy had his ear cut off for

looting. others were simply shot. we tried to hide from the so as not to come across them. >> ukrainian president zelinski said russian troops behaved this way across the areas they occupied -- ukrainian president zelenskyy. >> they even deliberately blow up shelters for civilians. russia wants to turn ukrainians into silent slaves. >> russia, permanent member of the teen hyphenation council, struck back and claid no civilians suffered any kind of violence. >> we came to you, too ukraine, not to conquer land. we came to bring long-awaited is to the bloodsoaked land of dundas -- donbass. >> world leaders pledged to investigate. u.s. secretary of state antony blinken spoke this morning

before leaving for meetings with allies in brussels. >> what we have seen is not the random act of a road unit. it is a deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape, to commit atrocities. >> european commission president ursula von der leyen also about her support. to further punish pressure, the commission proposed sweeping sanctions, including an important and on russian coal, the first european move to block russia's energy industry, but on calls for a total embargo, eu leaders remain split. according to british intelligence, ukrainians continue to retake territory pushing russian soldiers away from chernihiv. authorities say russian forces will likely have to resupply

before returning to the east. the united nations assess the conflict has displaced more than seven million people within ukrain more than 4 million have fled the country. >> i saw with my own eyes how our homes were destroyed. >> to evacuate civilians, ukraine today said that new mena terrien corridors were agreed upon, including one for mariupol. but for thfifth day straight, a humanitarian aid v could not reach the city. -- new humanitarian corridors were agreed upon. >> what else should i do now? just lay down and wait? we already have somebody laying there waiting to be collected. >> with thousands still trapped in variable facing shortages of food and water, the only thing

they can do is wait. judy: as russian forces redeploy to ukraine's east and south, pitched battles are being ought near a city which has become a refuge for ukrainians escaping the horrors of russian attacks on mariupol and other cities. we have this report from towns on the front lines. >> the evidence of war is scattered along the road and it left marks. >> they shoot here. it is all flying over there. at night, it is flying all over. >> a few weeks ago, russian troops went to his village. out of 400 residents before the war, only about 20 remain.

i ask him why he stayed. >> what do you mean why? i built all of this with these hands. you think if i flee somewhere i will be safe? do you think the war will not get me there? it is all the same. where should i go? >> every night, they go to their basement. this is where they sleep. >> come on in. >> the seller is tiny and cold. they have been sleeping here for a month. the memories serve as a reminder . >> some 20 miles to the south, ukrainian soldiers spent their days in the trenches of the frontline. they tell us to move fast and stay low because we are in the range of russian snipers.

>> this road goes all the way to crimea and ever since the beginning of the war, it has been a lifeline for those fleeing the fighting, a lifeline that has been cut. >> now ukrainian troops are guarding this position to prevent any further russian advance. our military expert says they will do everything to ensure the russians are stop here. >> it is a cruel, treasonous war of destruction of our peaceful cities and villages and of our people. i will never forgive them. never in my life. i can only forgive them when a mother can forgive the murder of her child and this will never happen. >> this military hospital takes in both wounded soldiers and civilians, but they do not keep them here for too long. >> we perform the operation and then send them to a civilian

center. hopefully we provide medical care for the kids. >> the lt. col. became chief of the military hospital just a few weeks before the war started. he is an experienced combat medic. he served in a nato mission in kosovo. >> we already got the opportunity to provide medical. >> in the surgical room, we put several cameras, we put audio supplies.

>> the war zone continues to come to them every day. judy: and a remder that our reporting on the war in ukraine is supported in partnership with the pulitzer center and now we return to today's united nations security council meeting on ukraine that link -- that featured a lengthy denunciation by president zelenskyy for its inability to bring pressure to heal. i oke a short time ago with linda thomas-greenfield, the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. madam ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. i want to start by asking if you think the atrocities that we have seen in ukraine now that russian troops have repositioned themselves changed the

responsibility of the west, of the united states, of the united >> it certainly has changed us a great deal. once wsaw the pictures of those atrocities, it became clear to us that the first action we needed to take among many is to get russia suspended from the human rights council. it cannot present itself to the world as a country that respects human rights and then carry out the kinds of atrocities and war crimes that they have carried out in ukraine. as you may hav heard, our inntion is to ask for a vote in the general assembly this week, calling r the suspension of russia from the human rights council. judy: with all due respect, is there reason to believe removing them from the human rights

council will have any effect at all ovladimir putin? he is enduring sanctions. his country has been squeezed on the economic front, and still, he is plowing ahead. >> putin continues to carry out his war of aggression against the ukrainian people despite the impact of the sanctions and other pressure being put on the russians, but they are feeling the pressure. they are feeling the isolation in the security council and around the world. they are feeling the condemnation, and we will keep the pressure on until he comes to the right conclusion, and that is he has to pull his troops out of ukraine. in the meantime, we are going to continue to support the ukrainian people, the ukrainian government in their efforts to defeat the russians. as you know, i traveled over the weekend to romania and moldova where i met women and children who have fled ukraine, who have

fled the terror that the russians are carrying out in that country, and it was heart wrenching to hear their stories and to hear their pain and despair over the situation in their country. judy: which is all the more reason to ask -- where is the evidence that weta may putin and the people around him are feeling the pain from these sanctions? they continue to pound ukraine in the east, in the south. >> they certainly are, and we are going to keep wrapping up pressure on them until they stop. they cannot continue to do this rever. they have been pushed back by ukrainians, and the only thing they have succeeded in doing is they have succeeded in unifying the europeans and americans. they have unified nato, and they have given ukrainians a greater will to fight. judy: at the same time, russia continues to have a seat on the

united nations surity council. they are a permanent member. as long as they are a permanent memb, does the united nations have the teeth to make whatever resolutions it passes felt by the russian leadership? >> they are a permanent member of the security council. that we cannot change, but he can isolate them in that position, and we have. we have succeeded in isolating them. we have isolated them in the security council. you may have heard the speeches today. not a single country spoke without speaking of the horror they are seeing happening in ukraine and calling on the russians to cease their unconscionable war on the ukrainian people. they were isolated inhe general assembly. we got 140 votes condemning them. we got 140 votes supporting the ukrainian need for humanitarian assistance, so they are feeling

the pressure, and they are feeling the isolation, and i cannot explain pin's actions, but i can say what he is doing is a disgrace to their position on the security council, their position on the human rights council. dy: given the restraints on the united nations because they sit on the security council, because they still have the support of china, given all that, does the world need to have some sort of alternative body that enforces the rul of law, that enforces the kind of values that, frankly, humanity demands? >> no, but the united nations is the body that we have and we have to work to improve the united nations and continue to use this body to put pressure on the russians, and while they do have the veto power, they cannot veto our voices. they cannot veto the ukrainian

president coming in front of the security council and condemning them. they cannot veto you and others who are reporting the truth to the world, and they are uncomfortable, and as for the chinese, they are uncomfortable in this position that they find themselves in, depending what the russians are doing, so we are going to keep the pressure on. we are going to keep applying that pressure until russia comes to understand that they cannot continue this unconscionable for against the ukrainian people. judy: i want to quote to you ambassador thomas greenfield, something president zelenskyy quarter today, he said, was it really necessary to wait for this? did hundreds of ukrainians have to die in agony for some leaders to understand that russia deserves the most severe pressure? >> we have in putting pressure on the russians since day one. you will recall at on the day of the attack, before the

attacks started on february 4, we were in an emergency meeting of the security council calling out russia, so we have been condemning them since day one and we have been ramping up the pressure on them since day one, and we have been supporting ukraine, even before this started, and we will continue to support them. judy: as you know, he is continuing to ask president zelenskyy for more weapons. he spoke today. antitank weapons, antimissile, anti-ship. he is still not getting what he says he needs to put up the defense that ukraine in his words has to put up in order to prevail. >> we are continuing to engage with the ukrainian government on their needs. we have provided the ukrainian government close to $1 billion before this started and $1 billion since this has started, and we have provided them antitank weapons and missiles,

and we are continuing to engage with them on other needs that they may have. in addition, other countries in nato and in the region have been providing them with additional support. judy: on the negotiating front, we are hearing that tse talks between the russians and ukrainians are going in circles, that the russians are not taking this at all seriously. what is your understanding? >> we tried prior to this war starting to negotiate with the russians, to try to help them find a diplomatic solution to their security concerns, and the russians would not sit at the negotiing table. they wanted to go to war, and now the ukrainians are sincerely trying to find an offramp for them, and while they continue to pound ukraine, the ukrainian

government continues to look for a diplomatic way to end the carnage that the russians are carrying out against them, and they will continue, and we support their efforts to find a diplomatic solution. others have complained that we have moved too fast to impose sanctions on the russians. we need to look for a diplomatic way out. well, what i say to them is have made that effort. now russia has to come to the negotiating table. we cannot negotiate a loan, and the ukrainians cannot continue to negotiate with themselves. the russians have to negotiate with sincerity. they have to negotiate with the intent to find a solution,nd at this point, they have not done that. judy: the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. it was great to be here with

you. judy: in the day's other news, the u.s. senate moved ahead with debating the nomination of ketanji brown jackson to the supreme court. her confirmation as the first black female justice is now assured with three republicans joining all 50 democrats in support. the senate hit a snag today on bipartisan agreement for $10 million in pandemic relief. reblicans block consideration of the bill saying they first want a vote to bar president biden from ending title 4 that is the pandemic-era policy of expelling asylum-seekers. party leaders spoke earlier at separate briefings. >> i think there will have to be an amendment on title 42 in order to move the bill. there are several other amendments we are going to want to offer, so we need t enter

into some sort of agreement to process these amendments in order to go forward with the bill. >> the bottom line is this is a bipartisan agreement that does a whole lot of good for the american people. >> some democratic progressives in the house of representatives also criticized the covert relief package but for a different reason -- because it does not include aid for poor countries. the biden administration announced a new research effort on so-called long covid. symptoms range from lingering fatigue and pain to brain fog for as many as 1/3 of all covid patients. >> long covid is real and there is still so much we don't know about it. millions of americans may be struggling with lingering health effects, ranging from things that are easier to notice like

trouble breathing or irregular heartbeat, to less apparent but potentially serious conditions related to the brain or mental health. judy: meantime, a lockdown in anghai, china, has been extended indefinitely in the face of a spreading outbreak. in peru, president castillo imposed a daylong curfew in lima after violent protests this week over rising prices. on monday, crowds burned tollbooths and blocked roads with flaming tires. at least four people have died in the violence. for the first time, a trial has opened at the international criminal court on atrocities in sudan's darfur region. prosecutors said today that the defendant showed "a strange

glee" in carrying out murders, rapes, and torture. >> the full range of crimes that to be fully honest he participated in and ordered, it seems his defense is "it's not me." witness after witness saw him, hurt him, recognize him. judy: after 300,000 people died in darfur going back 20 years in a government-back or on rebels. the former president's daughter ivanka trump testified on the january 6 riot at the u.s. capitol. she appeared for several hours via video link before a special congressional committee. the committee chair said that she was helpful. her husband tesfied last week. republican congressman fred upton of michigan has announced he will not seek reelection to a 19th term. is one of 10 house republicans who voted to impeach president trump over the events

of january 6. so far, four of that group including upton have opted against running again. on wall streetoday, stocks fell, but the federal reserve -- montauk -- stocks fell on top the federal reserve may turn more aggressive against interest rates. the nasdaq fell 328 points, 2%. the p 500 shed 57, 1 percent. cambridge university in england as celebrating the return of two of charles darwin's notebooks 20 years after they disappeared. they are undamaged and one contains darwin's famous tree of life sketch, mapping early ideas on natural selection. the notebook showed up at the librarian's office in a pink gift bag with a note saying "happy easter." and holocaust survivor gerda wiseman klein has died in

phoenix where she made her home. she made her home. she spent years telling her story of humanity and hope in books and speeches. along the way, she received an emmy and oscar for a documentary on her life as well as the presidential medal of freedom. gerda wiseman klein was 97 years old. still to come, we examined the plight of individuals who have no country to call home. kansas erases a historic deficit defeat north carolina f the men's national college basketball title. poet ocean won't gives a brief but spectacular take on grief and language. plus much more. -- poet ocean lowong gives a brf but spectacular take on grief and language. president biden got some help

from former president obama today as the white house announced a proposal aed at lowering health insurance costs for millions of americans. >> the president announced a two what has been called the family glitch, a loophole in the affordable care act that kept millions from qualifying for subsidized insurance plans. president biden and former president obama made the announcement earlier today at the white house. president biden: here's the problem -- under the current rules, a working mom is told as long as she can afford employer-based coverage for herself, she cannot qualify for premium subsidies to afford coverage for h family. cover her but not her family. we are working to change that. once today's proposed rule is finalized, starting next year, working families in america will get the help they need to afford full family covera.

>> for more on the impact this could have and who it could help, i'm joined by margo, who covers health care for "the new york tim." let's make sure people understand this family glitch issue. how is it making insurance more expensive? >> the affordable care act was designed to make insurance more affordable for all americans and had a bunch of different programs. one was saying if you work, your employer should make it shirt -- insurance available to you at a price you can afford. the family glitch deals with people who are caught in between programs. if you can imagine a family where a single mom gets insurance at work and it's affordable for her, but if she wants to buy a family plan to cover her husband or kids, it would be too expensive, currently, they cannot buy a

different plan in the obamacare market place. that has always been known as the family glitch. there are about 5 million people in this situation. some of them just pay a lot of money to all be in the family plan under an employer, some of them pay a lot of money to get a separate plan, and some are uninsure this is a new rule to try to solve that problem. >> and it has long big -- long been recognized as a problem that needs to be fed. some are saying this needs to go through congress. i think it is a little bit ambiguous. there were a lot of sloppy things that went through, so in the obama ainistration, officials and lawyers did not think that they could solve this problem through regulation. they thought congress needed to pass another law that said these people should be able to go to

the exchangers and get marketplace coverage, but the biden administration has looked at it again and think this is an acceptable way to solve this problem. it is possible there will be some legal debate, some lawsuit challenging it, but it seems like the legal interpretation of the biden administration is that they can fix this problem. with president biden, we saw president obamatanding at the podium supporting this move, so it seems he has come around as well. we should mention, there was a big affordable care act expansion last year, right? also expanded health care subsidies and access to insurance. those subsidies will run out at the end of this year, though, right? does this fix help to fill the gap that will leave? >> i think some of the people are the same but manyre not. lots of people have been eligible since the affordable care act became law subsidies to help them buy insurance, and what congress did last year was give them a little boost.

they made insurance premiums a little more affordable for people close to the poverty line . poor americans who work would not have to pay anhing. for the first time, people who were not eligible for subsidies before can get some financial help, too. that extra help, that wraparound help is what is set to expire unless congress removes it, but there still will be some financial support that has been there as part of the affordable care act. >> are there still big holes left a patch? >> there are big holes. democrats in congress were trying to patch these other big holes as part of their big build back better legislation that seems to be stalled, but i would say there are two big groups of people being left out and about 12 states led by republicans for the most part. there are people not eligible for micaid coverage because their states chose not to expand

medicaid. that was optional under obamacar and most states have done it, but not all, and i thin this other group is these people who technically can get insurance through the obamacare market places, but they have just found it to be unaffordable. insurance can be really expensive, so these wraparound subsidies were to help them. >> we have just marked 12 years since the passage of this massive health reform law. did it do what it said it would do? >> i think it did a lot of what it said it would do. there's no doubt it has expanded insurance coverage across the country to millions of americans who did not have the ability to get insurance before. it has also changed the nature. if you have an employer plan, you don't have to worry about an annual cap. i do think this is a large lot that has had a large impact, and in many ways, it has become so

built-in to the way we think about our american health care system, i often talk to students, and they don't even believe there was a time you could not get insurance when you had a pre-existing health condition. there are millions more who have insurance but still struggle to pay their medical bills when they get sick. their health insurance may not be as comprehensive athey would like it to be. >> thanks so much for joining us. margo singer cats of "the new york times" -- margo sanger katz of "the new york times." judy: around the world, geopolitical crises have left millions of people without a country. they are called the stateless. their plight is finally being recognized by the biden administration.

>> every day, he drives a few miles from his apartment in prince georges county maryland to the multiple gas stations that he manages, often working 12-hour days. >> this is actually my second home. >> the 48-year-old lives alone, worried about starting a relationship. >> i don't want to add any bag, my bag. >> your baggage? >> yeah, i would love to be in a relationship. i'm kind of scared, though, to share my story. >>'s story begins in ethiopia. the son of an hiopian mother and an eritrean father. in 1998, the neighboring countries went to war, and his father was imprisoned, then deported to eritrea. he was 24 at the time. his siblings, his mother, and he

stayed in ethiopia. >> you were also detained at some point by the ethiopian government? >> yes. >> on what grounds? >> because of my eritrean ethnicity. they just tortured me. >> his mother encouraged him to flee the country for the u.s. >> when i went there to the immigration office, they confiscated my passport. >> but your passport was ethiopian, but because you were ethnically eritrean through your father, they confiscated your ethiopian passport? >> yes. >> that was the moment he became stateless. statelessness may be hard to grasp for many u.s. citizens because the united states constitution guarantees citizenship for anyone born here.

statelessness is defined as individuals who do not have the recognition or protection of a country. geopolitical events can cause statelessness, as i -- as can be dissolution of a government like the soviet union. >> my dad is armenian, my mom is crimean. my parents are both born in the soviet union. my dad was a descendant of armeni genocide survivors that migrated there, but my mom grew upkrainian. she was born in odessa. she had two parents that also survived. there's a lot of remnants of survival and lack of nationality, lack of protection. >> she says her parents experienced scrim and nation in the soviet union.

>> my dad had a hard time living in ukraine with us. he was assaulted many times. >> for being armenian? >> yes. my parents were scared for me as a four-year-old with an armenian name. it was not safe for us. they were scared. they are like, we need to get out. >> they went to canada in 1992 where they live for four years but were denied legal status. during that time, the soviet union collapsed. when she was eight, they came to the u.s., but immigration authorities denied them asylum status and issued an order of removal when she was 13. >> i remember we were also given advice to go to the craney and embassy to retrieve travel documents. i remember being told sorry, we don't recognize u as a citizen. >> by the ukrainian embassy? >> by the ukrainian embassy. the word stateless was never presented to us. >> even if they had wanted to,

she and her parents had no way to self deport. they were citizens of nowhere. the united nations refugee agency says stateless people face significant barriers within daily life. >> in the united states specifically, and a lot of stateless people do not have an identity, a document that shows who they are. some people have a passport, but some have nothing, so it is difficult to get services if you don't have legal documentation. some of the stateless people i have met have been separated from their emily's and loved ones for decades. employment is difficult. -- been separated from their families and loved ones for decades. >> in the u.s., estimates are in the low hundreds of thousands. it is difficult to pinpoint the number of stateless people living in the united states. late last year, the department

of homeland security announced a commitment to defining statelessness that could lead to more protections. the secretary of homeland security addressed what stateless people could expect under the biden administration. will this policy change mean that stateless people can obtain government-issued id's or travel documents or authorization to work legally in this country? >> what we are going to be studying as we define statelessness, explore the law to determine what benefits stateless people might be entitled to, it is our desire to bring stability and humanity to their experience here in the united states, but i will tell you that we are going to move with the urgency that the vulnerabilities warrant, so it is our goal to define statelessness and to really map out what will be available to

em and our ability to deliver on that this year, ts fiscal year. >> he feels that vulnerability every time herives. maryland allows undocumented immigrants to obtain a limited driver's license. you have been living here for more than a decade. does this feel like home? >> yeah. this is home, this is safer, but i'm always careful. >> he is worried about any run in with police that could lead to losing his license or worse, detention. you're working really hard. you go to church. you are doing all the things a good citizen would do, but you have no citizenship? >> we always try to maintain normal things. what americans are asking, go to work, pay tax, be a good citizen. no criminal, nothing, and we go

pay tax, but at the end of the day, we don't get anything back. >> karina was able to gain daca status, but even though she and her american husband have been married nearly years, she still has no pathway to citizenship, nor do her aging parents who have never gone back to their homeland. >> not being a citizen of any country in the world limits you for your access to human rights. without having a country that recognizes me, i don't have any laws that protect me. there's no embassy i can go to. i don't have access to travel documents. i don't have a passport. >> which means you cannot leave the u.s. >> i cannot leave the u.s., i can't -- yeah. >> you have not been able to leave e u.s. since you were eight years old? >> yeah. this affects the majority o stateless people. it is one common aspect. there's a lot of morning things

that you could have had, things you could have been. >> that have very different backgrounds but now a shared mission. they started an advocacy organization pushing congress to pass legislation to permanently protect the stateless, their only hope r legal status in this country. judy: in case you were doing something else last night, there was quite a college basketball game played in new orleans. the kansas jayhawks defeated the north carolina tar heels after trailing by 16 points in the first half. it was the biggest comeback in a national championship in men's college basketball history and in fact, this was a tournament with many historic moments, including the final game this weekend for duke's coach k, mike

krzyzewski. john, we are so glad to have you. here to talk about all of this. this outcome last night was not what you wouldave predicted? to >> no, absolutely not. it is funny because bill self, who won the national championship coaching kansas in 2008, made a comment after the game with he asked his players at halftime, what's harder, coming back from nine points down with 2:12 to go or 50 with two quarters to go? in today's college basketball with the 32nd clock and the three-point shot, a 15-point lead is not what it used to be. with nine minutes to go, kansas was actually up six and then carolina rallied. judy: what happened?

>> they started getting the ball inside more. they took advantage of their size and the fact that carolina's big man had been turned ankle from the duke game and was not quite 100%, although he played well. north carolina could not make a three all night. kansas was not that much better, but they were six for 17 and ultimately won by three points. judy: they had a lot to celebrate. at the same time, they are basking in the glow of this huge win, but there's also this cloud hanging out there cause they have been charged with so-called level 1 violations. remind us what all that is about . >> it goes back to the fbi investigation of college basketball in 2017. a number of teams were cited in that investigation, and the ncaaas usual, has taken forever to try to adjudicate most of these cases. they just a month ago sent lsu a

notice of allegations, and the coach there was fired. now, kansas has received a notice of allegations of serious charges -- not like giving kids t-shirts. more significant stuff than that, and the president of the ncaa said last week they should have a decision on the case before next season starts. honestly, i will believe it when i see it. judy: why does it take so long? >> some of it is because they don't have subpoena power so it is harder to get people to sit down and talk with them. they cannot charge them with any crime if they lie to them, but also because the ncaa is a bureaucracy and bureaucracs move very slowly, as you know. judy: you mentioned another team that was part of this tournament, duke, and they were out of it after saturday night,

losing to you and see. we are talking about a lot of history. coach mike krzyzewski after 47 -- is it 47? it is hard to even comprehend he has been coaching for that long. >> i'm so old i saw him play for army in the late 1960's. his record is, to me, the second most extraordinary in the history of college basketball behind onlyohn wooden. won five titles, went to 13 final fours, won 30 games. 20 is considered a benchmark. he won 30 or more games 16 times. the numbers are just ridiculous. he is someone i have known well, and he is a better person than he is a coach. i know there are people who will pull their hair out when i say that, but i do know him. those people do not. judy: that is saying something.

he has an incredible record. >> that's my point. it was bittersweet because they made the final four, whichs always an achievement, but they lost to s arch rival in his last game, and they deserved to win the game. they made the place down the stretch. judy: what makes his legacy? >> i think it is his legacy. there's a lot of things he doe not talk about public, things he has done for people. my brother had cancer 20 years ago and he is fine, but mike krzyzewski picked up a phone and called him to cheer him up right after his surgy. my brother said to him, you need to play casey sanders more because he is a typical fan. duke won the championsp that year and he did play casey sanders more later inhe season and bobby still takes credit for that national title, but that's the kind of thing he does all the time. to me, his legacy is more as a human being than as a coach, and

his legacy as a coach is remarkable. judy: is the game different, changed? >> it will be different not only because he has moved on but roy williams has retired and so many of the great coaches are retired or retiring and we will never see anybody coach at a major school for 42 years again. you cannot do it. it is to training. judy: that'what i want to ask you, will we see another coach go that many? >> no, i don't believe we will. you see that even coaches who are successful move on. tom izzo, who is a great coach at michigan state, who has been there since 1995, talks all the time about the chaos that is college basketball now is wearing him out. you have to re-recruit your whole team every year because of the transfer portal and the one done rule. >> as an alum of duke university, and a lot of us are really proud of mike krzyzewski.

>> and you should be. >> thanks very much. >> thanks for having me, judy. always a pleasure. judy: time is a mother's ocean long -- ocean wong's second collection of poems as he seares for meaning among the aftershocks of his mother's death. it is part of our arts and culture series. >> when my mother passed in 2019, my whole life kind of contracted into two days. what i mean by that is that when a loved one dies, you experience your life in just two days -- today, when they are no longer here, and yesterday, the

immense, vast yesterday when they were here. my life as i see it now is demarcated by one line, the yesterday when my mother was with me and now when she is not. i think youealize that when you lose your mother, no matter how old you are, you are suddenly a child. feel like an orphan. so i went back to the blank page, which is the only safe space for me. the only space i have control over, and i guess i learned that by just putting one word after another. the beauty is that we are all going to lose our parents, and in this sense, death is the truest thing we have because it is the one thing that we are all heading towards, and when language can lift the veil, we can see each other. my mother never really understood my vocation and my work. she could not.

it perplexed her. why would all these folks come to hear your sad poems, you know? but when she came to my readings, she started to see how my language landed in other people's bodies. after a while, she started to position her seat to look at the audience, and she came to me one day and said, i get it. people's faces change when they are listening to your lectures, two words. my mother taught me that you can look at something and people and scenarios endlessly and still find something new. just because you have seen it does not mean that you have known it, so the vocation of the artist is to look at something with the faith that whatever you are seeing will keep giving meaning to you, and i think that patient looking was what she really gifted me, and it has to do with her sense of wonder.

we think of terms like refugee, immigrant, but more survivor and we rarely think of wonder and awe. i think when it comes to families and being raised by folks who are survivors, they keep wonder and awe closest to their chests, and i learned so much from my mother's joy in response to the world and the life she lived, and i think that informs my artistic practice. this is my brief but spectacular take on reclaiming language to center wonder and joy. judy: so moving, and on our website, you can see our 2016 interview when he released his debut volume of poetry, night sky with exit wounds. it pays tribute to his family's oral traditionnd connection to the vietnam war. that is "the newshour" for

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