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for more than 50 years advancing ideas and supporting institutions from around our world. at hewlitt.org. >> this program made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. judy: the long wait is over for families wishing to vaccinate their youngest children against covid-19. starting today kids from six

months to five years old were able to receive a child sized dose of the moderna for pfizer vaccine in a few locations. shots are expected to ramp up after the juneteenth national holiday. white house responder encouraged parents to get children vaccinated. >> we are lucky to have two choices, both exceingly safe and effective. if there are nuanced differences, you can talk to yo pediatrician about that, t we have two good choices. judy: child vaccinations have been slow compared to older populations. less than 1/3 of children aged five to 11 were vaccinated since given the green light last november. president biden says he hopes to make a decision on whether to pause the national gas act by the end of this week, which could save consumers as much as $.18 a gallon.

his administration is looking to curb soaring inflation. in ethiopia, witnesses say the gun massacre targeted the ethnic ahmhara people over the weekend left 260 civilians dead. it happened in a western region, oromo region, one of the deadliest in ethiopia is memory. the government blames the oromo liberation army. the rebel group denies responsibility. in west africa, the government says islamist militants killed villagers in the central part of the country in multiple attacks. the security situation has been deteriorating and there has been extremist insurgency growing. ukraine where russian sources unleashed a fresh barrage of attacks. in eastern donbas they captured

a key region that is key to the luhansk region. russia targets ukraine's food supply. in northeastern kharkiv, a russian ballistic missile struck a veterinarian academy, leaving workers in despair. >> i want to close my eyes and after opening them nothing has changed, everything is like it was during the old, happy days. it is not just emotions, but like my soul is crying. judy: ukraine's president predicted moscow's attacks would intensify ahead of the european summit to decide whether ukraine will join the european union. severe monsoon flooding has ravaged huge swaths of northeastern india and bangladesh, killing dozens and damaging millions of homes. local authorities estimate the

floods have displaced more than 9 million people. unusually high rainfall submerged entire villages. residents wade through their homes to save as many belongings as they can. >> there is not much to say about the situation. you can see the water. the water level has dropped, but it used to be up to the waist. all in all, we are in a great disaster. judy: seasonal storms triggered deadly landslides and strikes across the region. israel once again headed for a new election, its fifth in three years. prime minister naftali bennett and his coalition partner agreed to dissolve parliament. bennett struggled to keep his political coalition together, leaving his alliance without a majority in the knesset. lapid will serve as prime minister until the election this

fall. the biden administration reached an unprecedented agreement with five native american tribes to comanage the bears ears national monument in utah. the bureau of land management and forestry service signed a deal saturday with tribal leaders. for centuries of living in that area, the tribal have more input into the monument's day-to-day management. "the newshour stilted, on"the newshour," years after vincent chen's murder, we explore the state of asian american rights. and, weighing in on the latest political headlines. we remember the life and career of long time "newshour" analyst mark shields, plus, much more. >> this is "the pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington and from the west at the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: today marked the second

time in u.s. history the federal government has recognized juneteenth, the holiday separate -- celebrates june 19, 18 65, when union soldiers brought the news of slavery's end to galveston, texas, freeing the last enslaved people. omnibus --amna nawaz looks at the conversation around this history. >> in washington, d.c. kamala harris visits the african-american museum of history. >> let this be a day to celebrate the principle of freedom and speak about it honestly and accurately. amna: galveston, texas with the longest running juneteenth celebration. the saturday event honored the

last enslaved people in galveston in 1865, and one of the men who made his career making sure their stories were told. >> my father was focused on making juneteenth not just a state holiday, but a national holida everyone deserves to know the truth about the history that happenedere in galveston, texas. amna: generations of black families in houston, texas have long celebrated is day. >> i cherish this day and all those that follow this one because of what a lot of my ancestors went through. the struggle for us. amna: the so-called grandmother of that modern struggle, former teacher and civil rights leader opal lee -- opal lee, who stood by resident biden's side when he made juneteenth a holiday last year. lee led her to .5 mile march to

mark the 2.5 years it took between the emancipation proclamation and union troops officially announcing the end of slavery in texas. the work to end its long legacy is far from over, she says. >> you know people who are not on the same page and so you have to change their minds. amna: all 50 states and the district of columbia recognized juneteenth in some form. texas was first in 19 80, but so far, only 24 states and d.c. have made it a public paid holiday, the more states could soon follow. the city of boston marked the holiday with a celebration of lack arts and culture. philadphia marked the day with its first juneteenth parade since the start of the pandemic. a celebration of america's story more fully told.

>> juneteenth becoming a federal holiday elevated conversations about black history and the legacy of slavery in america, but where are those conversations today? i am joined by a professor, the founding director of the center for the study of race and democracy at the university of texas austin where he is also a professor of history. he is the author of the upcoming book "the third reconstruction." professor, thank you back to "the newshour." thank you for joining us on this holiday. guest: great to be here. amna: you wrote about this second juneteenth, you said that you found hope in what you called the resurgent interest in black history that followed juneteenth becoming a federal holiday. i wanted to ask, what was that hope based on, what did you see happening in guest: the last year?

guest:the hope -- happening in the last year? guest: the hope is in grassroots interest and president biden and others trying to confront slavery and the fact we are a democracy whose roots are in racial slavery and that makes this a complex place to live in. people say the country suffers from systemic racism, they are not sayin they dislike or hate the country. they are saying that because they love the country. juneteenth reflects a complicated history of america and american democracy, but paradoxically brings us closer to being the community that martin luther king junior wrote about and spent his life trying to achieve. amna: you had a line in a recent piece that stuck with me. you said juneteenth offers a window for americans into understanding how the political is personal.

what did you mean by that? guest: we have some any great stories about people celebrating juneteenth with their family and friends over the decades. these were real people, personal stories. black people of galveston celebrating. storie of black people trying to leave plantations in eastern texas and other places to reunite with loved ones. when we think about the personal and political, this is as important a holiday for america as july 4. there were 4 million americans who were disallowed to be considered citizens, disallowed to embody the dignity they knew they had, solely because of race and slavery. juneteenth provides a context to understand this is not a story about them, it is a story about us.

amna: we have to point out there are strong opposing forces at play. we have a slew of legislative efforts led mostly by republican lawmakers to stop efforts in schools from people teaching about the history of racism in america, the afterlife of enslavement in america, punishing teachers who try to talk about some of these topics. what does that tell you about where we are? guest: it tells me we are a complicated nation. on the one hand we have juneteenth and supporters of multiracial democracy. on the other hand, we have anti- crt legislation and the january 6 hearings, those soup borders -- those supporters of legislation that existed during slavery and jim crow. we are still caught in that bind of folks who believe and support

multiracial democracy and those who think about america as a less inclusive place, a place that should be dominated by the white male founders. we know that the founders were multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural women as well as men. it just shows me we are making progress, but still caught in the feedback loop of the history that those do not want us to know about juneteenth seem determined to deny. >> you mentioned the january 6 hearings. what is the parallel between what you see unfolding there and our conversations around black history? guest: january 6 is the grassroots cousin of the racial intolerance we see used to

divide folks politically in the 21st century. january 6 has real roots in the reconstruction right after t civil war where, on the one hand, juneteenth reflects, we had a move to reimagine american democracy as multiracial or multicultural. on the other hand, we have the rise of the ku klux klan, poll taxes and legislation to deny black voting rights, the rise of the police system, the rise of violent coups against duly erected -- duly elected governments. where an interracial black and white government is violently overthrown. there are different versions of january 6 that led to the end of reconstruction in the 1870's and

1880's. when we think of juneteenth taking place against the backdrop of january 6 and legislation to deny the teaching of black history and deny the history of racial injustice, they are all connected. we are an american family collectively even where there are partisan, political, and ideological divisions. juneteenth allows us a context to explore these divisions and explore what unifies us as americans. amna: from the university of texas at austin, professor joseph, thank you for your time. guest: thanks. ♪ judy: for the first time in its history, columbia has elected a leftist president. gustavo petro is a former

guerrilla turned mayor of bogota and then a senator. he defeated rodolfo hernandez. his election overturns the right of center political establishment that has long run columbia and could usher in a dramatic change in its relationship with its closest regional partner. nick: a population hungry for change cheered the man who promises transformation. avedlags and chanted yes, we did it, for the first ever left-wing president in columbia. introduced by the country's first black vice president, guavo petro pledged a new path. >> today is undoubtedly a historic day. we are writing history at this moment. history for columbia, latin

america, the world. what is coming is a real change. >> for 200 years we have been governed by the same people, but today begins a transition the government of change that will benefit all colombians. nick: never before has columbia elected someone for with -- someone with petro's past, who was in jail. he was first the mayor of bogota and now senator. for a country that long marginalized the left, petro's election is a big departure. the 62-year-old became an icon for the country's frustrated youth. >> there has been a rising level of discontent, a sense of lack of opportunity, a sense that education was too expensive. nick: cynthia is a distinguished fellow and says it is part of a antiestablishment shift.

>> there is a desire for change, to throw out the people that had been in charge over these last complicated, difficult years, economically, which have seen rises in equality and food security. nick: for decades columbia has been the u.s.'s strongest regional ally, the militaries work together. also, the largest regional trading partner. they teamed up to fight with the u.s. calls the fight on drawers, -- drugs, but petro calls that a failure and wants to focus on climate change. >> columbia and the u.s. have tried to suppress coca and the creation and export of cocaine. shifting away fromhat and planting another strategy that is unproven and unknown is going to create friction. nick: another change, petro's

embrace of the left. he met with hugo chavez before his death in 2013. petro hopes to create a progressive partnership with nicolas maduro and other regional leftists. >> he has been close to the venezuelan dictatorship. i thk he will play that side from now. nick: francisco calderon was a former vice president and says petro is on the opposite side of the history from the u.s. >> columbia will be more on the side of autocracies than democracies. it will put an end to a close relationship between columbia and the u.s. the past 30 years. nick: petro vows to end dependence on fossil fuels and raise taxes on the rich. his victory comes six years after farc agreed to stop

guerrilla warfare. the vice president, a former made a farmer, turned environmental activist. >> i was struck in her acceptance speech when she talked about, this was a government for the people with callused hands, for the nobodies in columbia. nick: petro promises a government for the people, but sweeping reforms will be hard to implement as columbia ventures into the unknown. for "the pbs newshour," i'm nick schifrin. judy: this month marks 40 years since the brutal killing of vincent chen in a suburb of

detroit the 27-year-old was beaten to death by a baseball bat from two men who were fined and received no jail time. so are calling for justice in his name in a movement among asian americans. amna nawaz has a closerook at the legacy of vincent chen in our ongoing coverage of race matters. >> june 18 1982, vincent chen, days away from his wedding, went out to celebrate with friends in detroit. later, two white men attacked chen and beat him to death. a documentary dove into his story and was nominated for an academy award. it is getting a special airing tonight. >> it was a hot night in detroit and the men from the auto plants were out for a night on the town. somebody started a fight in vincent chen was dead, his head

split open with a baseball bat. plex -- >> was it racism or a ballroom ball -- ballroom brawl? >> it is not something you plan on happening, but it happens. >> i want justice for my son. thank you. amna: to mark 40 years since vincent chin's death, that documentary will air tonight. for more on what followed his death and asian american identity today, i am joined by an author. she is a writer and resident at amherst college. welcome back, thank you for making the time. there are a number of remembrances and memorials in his name, but to mark those 40 years, people are remembering

what happened that night. it is a story the very much resonates with millions of people today. why is that, 40 years later? guest: right now is one of the worst times to be asian or asian-american in the u.s., demonstrated by the data we have seen that since the onset of the pandemic, over 11,000 incidents of hate have occurred and been reported in the last year and a half. that is the experiences of asians and asian americans. amna: today asian americans are the fastest growing demographic group in america and the most diverse in terms of ethnicity and language. since the death of vincent chin, there was not a real asian american identity. it is fair to say that the calls for justice that followed helped shape a community.

what should we understand about that? guest: asian american as a political identity was formed around his era. i think after his terribly tragic murder what ended up happening was, people felt we needed to become more important and powerful. that has occurred and it is a dutiful legacy of a tragic event. amna: it is fascinating when you look at historical footage, you see people like that civil rights icon we saw, and there were also black civil rights leaders who showed up with vincent chin's mother and called for justice in his name. what do we need to know about how the asian american call for justice was built on black civil rights? guest: all oppressed minorities in this country have a debt to

african americans that cannot be understated. when they took up their time and energy and resources and political intentions to support to get justice for vincent chin, that is the reason why it became more remembered. an executor of his estate and the memory has highlighted this point. it is so important for us to recognize that, especially this weekend. amna: you talked about how you think it is a terrible time to be asian american right now. you wrote a piece for the new york times called, asian americans have always lid with fear. i wonder as you reflect back, is the fear today the same as it was 40 years ago at the ti of vincent chin's death? guest: ironically, asians and asian americans have faced great hostility since their arrival in this country. that said, there have been moments of great pce.

since the pandemic, over two years, we saw greater rise of incidents of violence against asians and asian americans because since the trump administration and people who supported his organization, have often said the virus or the pandemic came from china and that became associated with asians and asian americans. unfortunately, asian americans are seen as a monolith where we don't have distinct ethnicity or identity and are often considered disease carriers and stereotyped as foreigners. amna: 40 years marked from the death of vincent chin. as we look back on everything that happened in our community and marginalized communies, if there is a lesson that can, of such a tragic event, what is that? especially for the next generation? guest: the greater politicization of asian

americans and civic engagement to support democracy is a beautiful thing. you don't want bad things to happen to give attention to vong, but if we can be more engaged as good citizens in this country, it is wonderful news out of a tragedy. amna: the work you do in your writing, you try thumanize people, make sure you are building ridges in your work. tell me about the importance of that narrative work you do. guest: within that story it is possible for the reader and writer to feel a greater sense of identification with each other. when we find empathy we realize asians and asian americans are not a mob, but individuals and human beings. we can feel empathy and sympathy for human beings. that is a important role of storytelling and i hope to be part of that. amna: thank you so much for your

time. guest: thank you. judy: even on this holiday it is still primary election eve in several states and midterm election politics never stop. republican campaigns are ramping up their rhetoric to appeal to base voters. lisa desjardins breaks down the battle for gop messaging. lisa: a familiar fight, what they value in november to regain control of coness. that is playing out in campaign rallies. to discuss the political stakes i am joined by amy walter of the koch report and taa from npr. two things happened this weekend

it i want to play two pieces of sound, which deal with threats of violence. first we will hear from adam kinzinger talk about new threats to his family and then we will hear from senator geithner's with a new ad directed at republicans. >> this threat was mailed to my house. we got it a couple days ago and it threatens to execute me, my wife and my five-month-old child. there is violence in the future. until we get a grip on telling people the truth, we can't expect different. ♪ >> join the maga crew. get a rhino hunting permit. there is no limits and it does not expire.

lisa: we edited those clips together, but we saw a thread in those. is this another dangerous inflection point in our political rhetoric? is it more of the same? amy: it feels like we have hit an inflection point. we are hearing this week about threats made to election officials. we have been hearing in the weeks and months after the 2020 election stories from election officials, high-level officials. folks who are at the most basic county level offices, often nonpartisan, who found themselves targeted by many of these same sorts of threats of violence. one thing i will say about missouri, the fact he is running at all is quite remarkable.

he was forced to resign from office in 2018 as governor after he was accused by the woman he was having an affair wh of being aggressive and assaulting her. most recently, his ex-wife, during -- they a in divorce proceedings now, this is one with a history already of being accused of violence who decides i will run for the senate and keeps playing this violent rhetoric and is leaning into this violent rhetoric. the unfortunate this sort of stuff, going over the top and extreme outrageous, it drives cliques, raises money, gets attention. until voters say that is not ok, that is not what we do, those outreaches will still continue to reap benefits.

they seem more of a reward than a risk. lisa: he is a contender. amy: he is leading in the polling now. tamra: facebook has taken that ad down, twitter put a warning over the areas -- airwaves. you talk about his outrageous ad talking about rhino hunting, you're not talking about credible allegations against him and you put him in a position of fighting against disloyal republicans and fighting against the media who are out criticizing him. it works well for someone in a crowded primary field trying to consolidate the primary. the language around adam kinzinger and the threat against him, the use of the term execution, this is a theme that comes up a lot. there is a glorification of violence.

in particular, a hunger for executions in the mythology of the qanon culture. you see this language again and again. there is almost a mainstreaming of extreme ideas and language and those two clips today bridge that. amy: we had to discuss, do we want to play that full add? a lot of times we don't want to give oxygen to that, but it is happening right now. also over the weekend, the texas republican party mets at their convention. i want to show things they agreed to in one resolution, a resolution that rejected the certified results of 2020 and called president biden the acting president, not the real president.

you talk so much about the power of, why there is not more courage standing up against him for republicans we know to oppose him. at is it going to take? when will itompel republicans to be more public about this problem? >> at the same convention they went after senator john cornyn, who is working on a bipartisan bill on guns would and dan crenshaw, a congressman widely regarded as a rising star within the republican ranks. those two are more likely to have a future in congress and in setting policy in congress than the folks sitting at the convention this weekend in texas. the parties themselves have become so hollowed out. this is part of the challenge we are having overall.

they have become so hollowed out that a credible candidate can take that party, or you can of those who are not particularly credible who do not have the interests of the party in mind to take that party over. they have become less relevant than ever, even though they get a lot of attention. >> in theory, estate policy should protect and promote incumbents and serve the better interests of the party. but, state parties have become the outpost of the extreme where they are censuring members who have done normal main string -- mainstream things. they pass resolutions that are untethered from what the mainstream of the party would consider. they are far from the center of

gravity of their party. that said, there are a lot of people whose views are reflected in those resolutions. >> one person who advocated for civil talk was the great mark shields. he sat in these very seats we are i right now. we are heartbroken at his loss. amy, i wanted to ask you to talk about your memories. amy: we did a number of electionsnd convention nights. everybody who watched him on the show newhouse smart he was and how incredibly gracious he was. the mark of a really good human, is somebody who treats people who are not as big or important or famous as they are with respect and reverence. if you walked into this building and watched how he treated every single person, from desk

assistants to interns, you would know what a good person this was. judy: he enjoyed conversation with every person and could bring out the best in everyone. >> he was a good reporter, too. >> he saw the good in politics and in people. >> we do not pick favorites in politics or sports teams, but i have to make my own tribute to the great mark shields. >> our mutual favorite. >> thank you both. judy: thank you, lisa. we love that boston red sox cap. we will have full live coverage of the january 6 hearings tomorrow where the focus is expected to be on the pressure former president trump but on state election officials to change election results. that starts at 1:00 p.m. eastern on pbs.

♪ judy: we want to devote the rest of the program to the memory of our dear friend and longtime newshour colleague, mark shields, who passed away this weekend at the age of 85. >> finally tonight, friday night conversation and analysis with and from mark shields. judy: and to the analysis of shields and brooks, mark shields and david brooks. >> for 33 years mark shields brought decades of political expertise, unapologetic liber views, and quick irish wit to our airwaves, providing critical context and perspective to some of the most historic moments in

american politics. impehment -- >> they said bill clinton lied, they don't want him to leave. judy: war. >> has to be the last resort. judy: white house firsts. and of the 20 election. >> donald trump is a sore loser. judy: a native of weymouth, massachusetts and red sox die hard, mark graduated from notre dame in 1959. and for the next two years served in the marine corps. he cut his teeth in politics on capitol hill and on the campaign trail. working for his political hero robert kennedy in 1968, mo udall. he channeled all those lessons into a column. >> as seen by the 1988 team. judy: and, weekly during a

presidential election. his wife, and shields -- ann shields. >> whenever there was big news, they called mark. it became a friday night regular venue. judy: to our cofounder robin mcneil, mark embodied the goal of the program. >> we set out to say, talking heads are a valuable way humans communicate. why not g the best talking heads we can? mark fit in perfectly into that. >> it is the first time tonight. judy: he challenged his conservative counterparts. >> my favorite moments in

television have been with mark shields. judy: david was his first sparring partner, sharing the desk with him for years. >> he knows more about politics than i do, but had a humility about him that made him a great partner. television can be highly competitive. often you may be paired with someone you can't trust. you never know when you will get a knife in the back. i always knew i could totally trust him. judy: there were heated moments. >> mark and i went at it last week because we passionately disagree. judy: like the war in iraq. >> christian, pro-israeli, milita occupying force in an arab nation? >> there are about 12 questions. judy: still, he always kept it fun.

you spent three hours talking. what took place here? >> first of all, this week will be a yawn. judy: so we can all go home. and, stayed civil, whether with us at "the newshour," or at cnn, where he debated the late robert novak alongside a good friend, my husband, al hunt. >> he is interested in a lot of different things. but those things he is really interest iedn, sports, he gets y engaged. he is not a passive observer. sports matter, judy. judy: that love of sports inspired a shields and brooks spinoff. >> very casual, no notes. they both sat down and rift. >> the sport of politics and the

politics of sport. >> he could have dropped of velvet hammer on anything, not just politics. >> i like american sports. basketball. judy: through the decades he guided us through elections and presidencies with an enduring optimism about public service. >> i don't know nation as big and brawling and diverse as ours, how to resolve our differences except with commitment, passion, courage, of those willing to practice the political process and achieve compromise. judy: he was beloved in the newsroom for his genuine and cheerful spirit, big heart, and one lighters. >> he caved like a suitcase. judy: mark will be missed by our entire newshour formula, family, his wife, children,

grandchildren. also, i know, by all of you. mark shields was 85 years old. here with more remembrances of mark r two peoplwho knew him well, his daughter, amy, and david brooks of the new york times, who was mark's sparring partner on friday nights for nearly 20 years. thank you. i was lucky to know your family. amy: my whole life. judy: your dad, we knew the private mark shields. amy: he is very similar, that is the most interesting thing. who he was on television and who he was walking around the office was the same person.

he was a warm, loving, hilarious, charming person. he always made us laugh. he loved games, sports. he made up games. my kids joked he would made up -- makeup games. he might turn themselves -- turn them toward himself. judy: it is clear he loved politics, politicians. where do you think that came from? amy: his parents. they really believed in politics as a way to solve problems. they believed in public service. i never met my grandfather, but he was on the school board, work at a paper company. i think he grew up knowing that

was very impornt and became a love of his early on. judy: he did not get discouraged. surely in the last few years it was different, but watching the ups and downs, he maintained optimism. amy: that is what is amazing. people my age are this allusions, unfortunately, -- people my age are disillusioned, unfortunately. people have become so partisan and separate. everything you have done on the show is real conversation and debate and it was not ugly and partisan or like, i can't like you because you are republican. judy: david brooks, you're joining us tonight from ireland. we are grateful for that. tell us what you are thinking. david: there was a lot of ireland in mark. the warmth, the lack of

pretension, always rooting for the underdog. i am struck by the outpouring of warmth people have since he died. the reaction has been overwhelming to me and a lot of people. people responded well to him. they loved and got the sense of his own personal warmth and generosity. the thing that strikes me is how much he formed those of us who worked around him. we had not seen footage of katrina. we happened to be on the air and see footage for the first time. mark reacted with astonishment that this is america. through that lesson and 20 years of lessons, he taught me not just to think with my head and be a pundit, but to let your heart be bare, and react with your heart, the moral emotions you feel. that was how he improved us all

and lifted us all. judy: when he retired from "the newshour" at the end of 20/20, you said he represented the best of american liberalism. what did you mean by that? david: he grew up at a time when liberalism was expanding opportunity successfully. the fair housing act, the civil rights act, he revered bobby kennedy, thought he would have been the best president of his lifetime. more confidence in what government can do. mark never lost at confidence. i have heard notes that mark was part of a generation we will not see the likes of again. when i spoke to him, he rejected that. he said he was incredibly optimistic for america. there was a lot of talent and moral passion. people who want to do good for the country. he admired politicians who were lling to lose, be humiliated. he loved mo udall, sargent

shriver. so many who were big and ambitious for what policies could do to improve the lives of the poor and unfortunate. judy: what was it like to debate him and have different views on friday nights? david: we started out with very different views. by 2022 -- 2002, cliff and me debating him on the iraq war, what a puni was. [laughter] he was prepared every time. he had those lou pages and was taking notes. here is us at our most sober. heame to play every single time and had the depth of background knowledge of american history, political history. frkly, one thing i liked, it was not a debate, it was a discussion.

we were not trying to prove our party's point. we were just trying to figure out the world. when donald trump came along, we scarcely disagreed. judy: where would he dig into that well defined optimism today? what do you think he would be saying to us about trying to see the light out of this dark period? david: he loved the country. god gave him a golden heart and he never got cross with me. i remember my kids' bar mitzvah. afterward he sat on the floor, sitting crosslegged on the floor. he believed in an unpretentious america. had a little scorn for anyone with a hint of snobbery, but believed in regular americans and all of us. that faith has never gone away and will never, in the market we

know living somewhere. judy: how does that sound? amy: the word unpretentious came up. my dad left on scribbled papers things he would like for his funeral. he mentioned he would like to invite everyone back afterwards and make sure we had unpretentious nibbles. [laughter] judy: including, i am told, pigs in a blanket. amy: it is very true. judy: what do you want his legacy to be for your children, his grandchildren, jack and francis, and for their generation? amy: don't give up on politics or politicians. believe that government can help people and help people that are less fortunate than we are. that is the most important thing to my dad that many people have said. judy: david, it is tempting to

be so sad right now. can you give us a little light as we close out these days thinking about mark? david: i have sadness, but what a great life. he was active in politics in a golden age of politics, was a commentator during the reagan-clinton through trump, consequential times in america. marvelous wife and family. left a wide legacy. was well loved. what a great and tremendous life mark shields led. judy: countless friends will miss him so much. david brooks joining us from ireland. and, amy shields doyle, the daughter. thank you so much. we all have so many wonderful memories of mark.

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