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the corporation for public broadcasting. by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> once again from washington. >> good evening and welcome to washington week. this was another busy week full of news. during thursday night public hearing, january 6 committee when in deep on 187 minutes. lawmakers say that's the time between when donald trump ended his speech on the mall and when he told his supporters attacking the capital to go home. trump chose not to act as part of a deliberate plan to delay certifying the vote and lawmakers say he only told the rioters to go home after it was clear to him that they failed to stop the proceedings. during the event, there was also new video of takes -- outtakes

of prerecorded speech given by former president trump given after the attack. how his daughter coached him through the remarks. >> this election is now over. congress has certified the results. i don't want to say the election is over. i just want to say congers has certified without saying the election is over. >> now cgress. >> i didn't say over. go to the paragraph before. >> committee also revealed that secret service agents at the capital thought they might be killed. >> members at this time were starting to fear for their own lives. there were calls to say goodbye to family members. >> two former white house officials also testified about

why they resigned on january 6. this also comes as steve bannon, a former trump advisor was found guilty of contempt of congress for refusing to comply with a subpoena from the january 6 committee. faces up to two years in prison. when i told you we had a busy week, we meant a busy week. joining us to discuss this are our guests. thank you for being here. nicole, you are on the beat the central place or we are looking right now. lawmakers are to dig into what the president was doing, what sticks out most to you and when you think about what lawmakers

are trying to telegraph? >> the committee has been building up to this moment from day one. one of the key things from the outset they wanted to focus on work the 187 minutes. what was the president doing during that time? we finally got to see minute by minute in their view some of the evidence they were able to uncover. one of the more remarkable things work some of the outtakes of the former president having to rework his script. i spoke to someone who led the panel and she talked aboutow the former president has always been so congenial. tv is his thing. yet he couldn't get the words out. her objective was to allow viewers at home to draw their own conclusions. there was a lot that came out of this from the tapes were reheard for the first time about the danger that the former vice president detail based.

we were aware of the chance to hang mike pence. we saw the evacuation video. the fact that some of them are calling their families, it reminded you of 9/11 where people were calling home. from that standpoint, there were many new revelations and i think from here, the committee is simply looking to continue this investigation because they continue to get more evidence and more to come as they continue hearings in the fall. >> there's a lot to discuss. nicole was talking about outtakes. it was the moment where a lot of my sources cast. -- gasped. the former president stumbling through not wanting to say the election was over. not wanting to say that the people who broke in should be held responsible for what they were doing. i wonder what you make of the significance of those outtakes

and what it tells us about the former president's frame of mind. >> i have to tell you and we were sitting on set as this happened. the committee was planned outtakes. it was a gasp-worthy moment. it was not shocking to see that former president trump as we have seen would be denying the legitimate election results after. what the committee effectively was able to do was by juxtaposing the violence at the capital, showing the footage of the rioters, the footage we had not seen before, the secret service radio calls that were happening, you could hear how frantic it sounded, how under duress they were and the testimony from the white house security official listening into the radicalls and suggesting that perhaps the vice president would have been compromised. think about that.

juxtaposing that to less than 20 four hours later, former president trump being unable to get out the words was significant. for your sources, you said that was a key moment. what else was a key moment? for me, at the end of the hearing elaine luria referenced the first responders defending the capitol that day. it's important to talk about that because there are people behind the video that we see and the footage we see. this huge and lyrical story we are covering. there are people who died, whose lives will never be the same, who are suffering from trauma. when she said that, you saw shot of the officers sitting in the front row. one of them i talk too late last night and he said the moment that stuck with with him was what you referenced, that secret service testimony from the white house official, the people were calling their families to say

goodbye. that shook officer dunn. he was bracing for the emotional impact because it spoke to the intensity and the seriousness of the situation. >> that's a great way to think about this. it was such a chilling moment. there was another striking moment about what former president trump was tweeting during the capitol attack. the tweet at 2:24 p.m. where the former president -- vice president mike pence was being evacuated and former president trump was resizing him. why did that stick out to you? >> we know the hearing was billed as what president trump did not do for the 187 minutes. what struck me was what he did do. it was not simply that he sat passively. he did things and that tweet is symbolic of the belligerence

that he had over what was going on. here's a moment when everyone around him in the white house believes that he should walked into the briefing room and make a statement to the national audience and tell the people rioting on the grounds to go home. instead, he sends a tweet attacking his own vice president, calling him a coward. in essence, putting gasoline on the fire that is already raging and it was striking to me how indifferent he was to not just the safety of his vice president, but the threat that was underway at the capital. >> it was absolutely striking. there is so much in this hearing. i want to focus back on to the super service. the details about people calling their family. what are you hearing from lawmakers on capitol hill? people were walking through the

halls saying i might have to call my family because i might never see them again. >> there's that and the issue of the leader text messages. -- deleted text messages. i think many on the committee are very frustrated that they cannot get the information they need. there is a lot with respect to the secret service. it is not jus a protection element, but also the whole story we heard from cassidy hutchinson a few weeks back where there was an altercation with the former president and his detail. we heard last night more about that from the retired police sergeant that was interesting in terms of them broadcasting some of his testimony. we know that some members of the detail may have retained counsel. that's what you heard the committee say last night we are not done, our committee work

continues in august and september. >> we are continuing to see former president trump attacking this committee just this week, we heard that he was calling wisconsin officials trying to get them to overturn the election results. all of this is happening as the hearing showed that donald trump was they say spent time calling senators while rudy giuliani was leaving messages for senators saying you should try to slow down the process even more. can you connect january 6 two real time? >> such a great point made then by the way the investigation in georgia that is happening also. there are so many parts that are disparate but connected. it has to be one would think the focus or part of what the committees would talk about in september. think about what they have done over the last couple of mohs since early june.

a very clearly laid out an arc. they wanted to make sure and they have talked about this that they wanted to make sure they were crafting something that would be compelling to people as they lay down an accurate record of history. there's a lot of questions about the accountability factor, what happens with the justice department from here, but for these initially seven then eight hearings, it was a record of history. to come back in september and yes, the vice has said the dam has begun to break, there are more testimonies coming in. for them to come back for more hearings, you have to think there is a bar they want to hit. what you are talking about with phone calls that former president trump is continuing to make two people in wisconsin with the fulton county district attorney what he is continuing

to uncover, the testimony we expect to hear from rudy giuliani that these are going to be part and parcel of some of the threads that the january 6 will try to pull on. to say also as we talk about the big picture, donald trump is watching this. we know what channel he is on because he was tweeting or messaging on truth social about liz cheney. there is a political component not going away. yamiche: this political component is clearly not going away and we know that because just today, we had a new development which is that steve bannon was felt -- found guilty of failing to comply with subpoena from congress. what do you make of the political significance of that and the significance to the committee? clearly they are taking it seriously. >> yes and they were quick to

respond to that conviction to say this is an indication of the seriousness with which we are approaching this job. this was in many ways an open and shut case. it was clear when the trial started that he was likely to be convicted. in part because of some of the choices the judge had made. it is significant. it said if you defy this committee, you run the risk of going to jail. i suspect we have not heard last of steve bannon from this committee as they continue to dig in and look at other aspects. yamiche: there is a lot of pressure being put on the doj because a lot of democrats are looking that way saying what's the doj going to do now? what do you make of the pressure that merrick garland is facing and the potential that criminal referrals could be handed down? >> it seems to me that there are two major objectives of january 6 committee.

to ratchet up the pressure on merrick garland to look at this as seriously as possible. he has a difficult decision. it is clear that this is a fraught decision for him. never way he decides will touch off a firestorm. -- whatever weight he decides will touch off a firestorm. the case that they have brought that is not the way you would do it in a courtroom, they would face a different challenge if they do indict the president but they have laid out so much evidence about the former president that it is forcing the justice department to think about whether they will take that in essence fateful step. the other goal was from what liz cheney had to say last night. that is given the choices that this president made that should

he ever be allowed toold political office, that is a question that will go before the voters in 2024 if he runs. yamiche: we think about the political implications, we have to go back to something that is liz cheney said the dam has broken there will be more hearings plural in september. talk about what lawmakers think they want to learn, what we know about this new information,ew witnesses coming forward, but the unanswered questions they want to get at. i want to piggyback off of his point. >> i spoke to someone this week who said no one is above the law. yamiche: it was notable that he said that. >> absolutely. in terms of what's next, we need

the committee would likely hold more hearings at minimum they have to complete a report likely an interim report sometime in september so they wt to use at least one hearing to focus on that in terms of outlining key findings and that they tend -- they intend to put out a more copperheads of report later this year. bennie thompson and others have said they are not making the midterms factor. but as we all know, we are all familiar with the october surprise. as they get more information, they have said that they could hold more hearings based on the new information they find. with respect to the secret service, that is not off the table. we will have to see. >> when you said secret service and october surprise, my head started spinning. the other big story is the

president of the united states has covid-19. according to the white house, his symptoms are mild and he is working from residence in quarantine. he is still a 79-year-old man. even though he is vaccinated and twice boosted, he is in a high-risk group for severe illness. as soon as i heard the president had covid, i was like please someone call you we need you on the show. tell us about how the president is feeling, also what have you been hearing from your sources about the way forward for him? >> it seems like unfortunately the president is doing fairly well and seems to have a mild case of covid. his doctor has put out two letters. the white house press secretary and coronavirus coordinator have

made statements about how he is doing. he seems to have a cough, runny nose, fatigue. his temperature went up a little bit but now seems to be normal. more importantly, his heart rate and oxygen are all normal. speaking with doctors, they said the thing you would look for with someone like the president who is 79 years old or anyone who develops covid is whether they start developing shortness. it doesn't seem that that has happened and the white house has gone to extensive length to show that he is fine and working and he has continued to work through his infection. he sounded a bit horse earlier today. it is not that surprising that he would have gotten covid especially given his travel schedule, the number of public events he has done. he is a gladhanding politician with lots of back slabs and hugging. the white house had been preparing for this for months.

yamiche: i would ask you something else which is as he is the most powerful man in america you could say, someone who is very protected, he is joining millions of other americans who now have covid. i wonder if you could talk about the overall threat to the country and what that means for the most vulnerable among us because that continues to be people of color, those who cannot work from home. >> that's a great point. the president is the most protected person in the country. the white house had extensive safety protocols in place to protect him which included anyone who met with him indoors had to wear a mask, regular testing, then they caught his infection early. he got access to paxlovid early. that highlights that you ba.5 has taken over the country.

this is the most contagious and transmissible variant that we have seen. with all of the protections the president has in place, him still getting covid highlights what we are all facing right now. most people have had it at this point. the majority of the country is vaccinated and still this variant has shown a remarkable ability to escape immunity that is afforded by vaccinations or previous infection. it is a reflection of how difficult it is for the country to get a handle on the virus 2.5 years in. the president is likely to use the infection to say we all want to use the tools that are free and available. the reality is in a lot of communities, communities of color and poor communities, it's not as easy to get access to these tools especially the

antivirals. yamiche: there is a new poll this week, the most recent pbs newshour npr poll shows that president biden's approval rating has been at the lowest since his presidency. obviously, he wants to be out on the road talking about his agenda, but now he is stuck indoors. how much will this impact politically where he wants to be? >> they have been talking for weeks about once we hit the summer, he would be out on the road hustling midterms. to have the president isolated in the white house, they are trying to do as much as they came to show he is still working. have released photos, they're talking about the calls he is making, they're trying to be transparent. it is the summer.

this isn't september or october. it's not like the window is closing. americans engagement specially with the midterms picks up after labor day. if the white house is going to be eager to get him on the road, they also understand that they need to make sure they are following the cdc guidelines because they have to not only talk the talk but walk the walk as it relates to how that president is going to handle this. you saw his wife staying in delaware out of the white house out of the way of the president. they're trying to be modeling behavior. yamiche: in the last 30 seconds, it's a lot different thinking about what she's talking about, the protocols the administration is taking versus the trump administration. different because there were no vaccines, but talk about that. >> that's the major difference that we see. president trump got covid, there were no vaccinations. he was in quite bad shape as we later learned. the white house is trying to use

this as a teaching moment. that we have these tools available and we should begin to try to use them and those who have not taken advantage out to do so. yamiche: i hope that president biden has a quick and safe recovery. i hope he feels better. thank you so much to all of you for watching from home and thank you to the panelists for joining us. we will continue our conversation on the january 6 hearings and the criminal investigation into the missing secret service text messages online. tune in to pbs news weekend tomorrow for an exclusive interview with pete buttigieg. thank you all for joining us, good night from washington. >> corporate funding is provided by consumer cellular.

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