♪ >> good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour, mourning a monarch. the u.k. enters a period of national remembrance following the death of queen elizabeth ii. nuclear risk. russian invaders try to force ukrainians operating europe's largest atomic energy plant to leave the facility that is caught in the crossfire. >> i think they are trying to make the plant personnel escape in order to declare publicly to the world that ukraine has lost control, the operators left. >> it is friday. jonathan capehart and michael gershon weigh in on the life and legacy of queen elizabeth ii and

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>> and friends of the newshour. ♪ >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> britain awoke to its first day in 70 years with a new monarch today as king charles ii returned to london from the side of his mother's deathbed in scotland. the mourning. --period that began yesterday continued as thousands gathered outside buckingham palace. and across the world, tributes poured in from the late queen,

whose loss is felt deepest among her people. our special correspondent reports from london. >> they came in their thousands, mourners and well-wishers filling the streets around buckingham palace. hours later, the new king, charles iii arrived at his late mother's longtime home, now his own. and soon after, he spoke to a grieving nation. >> her life, her majesty the queen, my beloved mother, was an inspiration, an example to me and all of my family. and we owe her the most heartfelt debt any family can owe to their mother for their love, affection, guidance, understanding, and example. >> this public address ending on a deeply personal note. >> and to my darling mama, as you begin your last great journey to join my dear late

papa, i want simply to say this, thank you. >> among the crowds reacting to the message was aaron byers. >> pretty human, always nice to hear. a sign of change. all of this feels very different. it feels like it has actually happened, very final. >> in the house of commons, members of parliament wore black, marking their respect for the former head of state with a moment of silence. on her fourth day as prime minister, liz truss led the tributes. >> she was a rock on which modern briin was built. in an instant yesterday, our lives changed forever. today, we show the world that we do not fear what lies ahead. >> the former prime minister joining in the praise. >> she had the patience and sense of history to see that troubles come and go, and the disasters are seldom as bad as they seem.

and it was that indomitable he, that humor, that work ethic, that sense of history which together made her elizabeth the great. >> in paris, the eiffel tower felt dark. the french president striking a somber tone, too. >> to you, she was your queen. to us, she was the queen. to us all, she would be with us forever. >> condolences from ukrainian leader volodymyr zelenskyy. >> this is a heavy loss for europe and the whole world. our thoughts and prayers are with you. >> with historic ties to britain, india's front page filled with her image. in the capital, new delhi, residents responding to her death. >> i remember her in such a way th she is dressed like a -- figure.

she has attained such a level that everybody loves her. >> in jamaica, where the monarchy has a more mixed reputation, many expressing skepticism about its future. >> we will see over the next few years. but i don't expect he will have the same kind of love as the queen. >> down with the monarchy, atever. we don't need kings and queens. >> back in london, no sign of such cynicism among her former subjects here. a lifetime spent in service now ended. a kingdom united by the loss of its beloved queen. for the pbs newshour, i'm bill lamarck's. >> king charles iii's ascension to the throne herald a new chapter in the history of the british monarchy. now winter is coming. amid high inflation, warn europe, energy supply problems,

and a new prime minister. malcolm brevet reports outside of london. >> at 12:00 noon precisely, muffled bells rang out across britain. this was marlowe, a quintessentially prosperous englishtown west of london. >> something quite poetic about it. it is very sad. >> for retired headmistress, tolling the bells was a solemn obligation. >> we don't often practice, because we don't often have to do it. but when we do, the first few rounds are quite poignant. and in fact, the more he goes on, the more pregnant it is -- pouring it it is. always very important. just when the queen celebrated her platinum jubilee, all believers within marlowe came to

have a ring. that is the way we show our appreciation, or on this occasion, to mark her decline. ♪ >> all saints echoed to the sound as people were drawn to the church for quiet contemplation. >> it is going to be intensely emotional for everybody the next few weeks. she has been such a presence in all of our lives, certainly my life, many people's lives. i think we are genuinely going to miss her and that stability, and her omnipresence. just that security she has given to the country. >> saints in every church across england, people signing books of condolence. >> i think it is very sad for britain.

it is another knock for the nation. it is not that conducive to joy and happiness. i think there will be a lot of thinking of what is really important. >> i'm 70 years old. i've never known any other queen. e was so wonderful. like my grandmother dying. >> an hour later, another face of modern britain. 15 miles away, one of the most diverse towns in the country. it's people speak 150 different languages. the queen was the protector of all faiths, and so her loss was also keenly felt here. >> like we miss our own mother. she was a proper queen. for all the world, nobody could have done it. >> we as a muslim community have always integrated very well

within the british culture. the queen has paid a big part into our heritage and us being here. we will appreciate everything she's done for us. >> all the world is mourning for her. the entire world. and we are the people of this country, and we last -- lost a great friend. >> prince charles inheriting the crown after britain is facing a multitude of problems. rapidly rising inflation, food and energy prices going through the roof, and millions are extremely worried about whether or not they can put food on the table or keep warm this winter. trust in politicians is evaporating. the monarch is constitutionally required to stay out of politics, yet somehow, new king charles has to find a way to provide leadership, inspiration, and ensure the ancient and akron if the institution remains relevant in today's society. >> i think the monarchy and the

royals are probably irrelevant. >> the deputy mayor doesn't think king charles can do much to alleviate the struggles of the people she represents. >> a lot of uncertainty, people are worried. they don't have the luxury of sitting around and waiting and worrying. most people have two jobs. some are looking at their jobs. >> at the mosque, recognition of the challenges facing britain's new monarch. >> this student has been talking all his life, he needs to do action. with the way the parties are, the politics of this country, it is a complete mess. a big divide between labour and conservative, far right parties coming up. there has to be a unification person, entity, organization. it is going to get worse. >> back in marlowe, confidence the secession will be smooth -- succession will be smooth. >> charles is not everybody's

first choice, i think he links us to the queen, all of those traditions that have been the bedrock of our country for a very long time. i think we need to give him a chance and get behind him. he is the one who will steer us through. >> i think personally, we are in a good position to move ahead with the constitutional monarchy and king charles. >> while the queen was university venerated, a widespread sense king charles the third now has to earn the respect of his subjects. for the pbs newshour, in marlowe. julie: in the days other news, the suspect in this week's mass shooting in memphis will remain jailed on a first-degree murder

charge. he appeared in court today, accused of killing four people on wednesday. he was granted a public defender and could face additional charges. investigators are still trying to piece together a motive. in ukraine, the military reported new gains in the east, driving back russian forces in the kharkiv region. and pro-russian officials said they are evacuating several villages. in the south, the u.n. and nuclear agency warned that the nuclear plant can no longer be supplied with power from the outside. we will focus on that story after the news summary. north korea's leader is insisting his regime will never give up its nuclear weapons. state media says he spoke thursday on a new law that spells out when to use nuclear arms, including for preemptive strikes. he addressed the rubberstamp national assembly in pyeongchang and cleared the north nuclear

status is irreversible. >> let them impose sanctions on us for 100 days, 1000 days, 10 years, or 100 years. we will not give up our right to life and right to defend our country on which the future and safety of our people depend, regardless of whatever extreme situation we get to face. >> north korea has ramped up missile testing to a record pace over the last year. there have been signs of preparations to resume nuclear tests. the u.n. secretary general urgently renewed his appeal to help pakistan recover from catastrophic flooding. he spoke after viewing the devastation firsthand. months of heavy monsoon rains have now claimed nearly 1400 lives in the south asian country. and left half a million people homeless. >> needs massive financial

support to respond to this crisis that have costed about $30 billion and counting. and debt support is entirely necessary. >> gutierrez said providing help is a matter of justice, because pakistan is a victim of climate change caused by more developed nations. back in this country, former president trump and the justice department were submitting candidates for an independent outside expert to review seized documents. the fbi found the material, some classified, at the trump estate in florida. a federal judge ordered a special master to check the documents. the justice department wants to delay the order pending an appeal. relief may finally be in the site for california and other parts of the american west after days of dangerous heat.

a tropical storm in the pacific ocean expected to break the heatwave this weekend. temperatures in sacramento could drop 20 degrees by tomorrow. down to the 80's. big changes coming to baseball. a major league rules committee approved moves today to speed up the game and generate more offense. they include a pitch clock, limiting the time between pitches, plus bigger bases, among other things. major league baseball also announced it will accept a labor union for minor league players. on wall street, stocks finish their first winning week in nearly a month. the dow jones industrial average was up 377 points to close at dirty 2151. the nasdaq rose 250 points, 2%. the s&p 500dded 61. for the week, the dow jones gained two point 7%. the nasdaq surged 4%. the s&p 500 rose 3.6%.

still to come. we examine the governors races. where candidates could bring about major shifts in state policy. americans with disabilities fight for equal access to the ballot box. the states enforce more restrictive voting laws. jonathan capehart and michael garrison weigh in on the latest political headlines. plus much more. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour, from w eta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. julie: the united nations nuclear watchdog made its strongest warning yet of the possibility of a nuclear accident in ukraine. raphael grossi said a lack of external power and staff access to the plant make this moment critical. >> let me be clear, the shelling around the nuclear power plant

must stop. and a nuclear safety and security protection zone agreed immediately. a nuclear power plant can never be a pawn of war. its fate must not be decided by military means. the consequences of such action are far too great. julie: russia occupied zaporizhzhia six month ago. our correspondent traveled to a nearby village and discovered russia made the nuclear pan -- nuclear power plant a combat zone. >> from behind a nuclear shield, russia strikes civilian targets. including what used to be her apartment. she and her son stand in the spot a russian rocket tour through the ceiling in the walls. it stole her home and her husband. he was killed on the spot. >> he got this apartment, he was

happy because he wanted to leave something for our children. he died and left nothing for his children. >> the source of the strike seen through the haze x miles away, the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. a launched rocket from the plant. almost a daily barrage forcing more than half of the residents to flee. he's 30 years old. why are you leaving? >> we decided to leave after the shelling got close. at first we thought it was somewhere far away and did not pay attention. but the second night, our windows were shaking. >> he fled with his six-year-old son, who keeps his most prized possessions close, and his wife. >> do you think your son understands what is happening? >> our son understands everything. we are telling him about every thing. >> you said you explained

everything to him? what do you tell him? >> our son has to understand what is happening, because it is his history. a part of his life. if he grows up unaware of what is happening, he will forget it. and the events won't leave any trace. i want him to grow up knowing how hard we fought for our freedom. >> the freedom that their friend lost. she was from for dance. russian troops poured into the city on the third week. they parked downtown and occupied. the remains under russian control today. >> a lot of soldiers came into our city. they started to kidnap everyone who refused to cooperate with the occupants. it is horrible what is happening. >> they only pack their favorite essentials to leave in a hurry. if you evacuated, you brought the frying plan -- frying pan? what gives them comfort, a dream catcher that marina made after

the february invasion. have you nded the dream catcher? have you had a lot of nightmares? >> when the war began, we gathered our friends and made this with the hope it would protect us. >> they are not the only ones under seizure. have the russians killed anyone? have they tortured or threatened anyone? >> this man is one of 4000 ukrainian workers continue to operate the plant, down from 11,000. he agreed to speak with us if we kept him anonymous. >> yes, there is official information about injured employees, about the victims. some served in the armed forces of ukraine before, some openly demonstrated their pro ukrainian position. it was enough for the russians to trap them in the basement and tortured them over several weeks. >> the 500 russian soldiers occupying the plant parked their military vehicles inside. they are blocking emergency access routes. and the worker says the russians are trying to provoke the

remaining workers into leaving. >> i think they are trying to make plant personnel escape in order to declare public to the entire world that ukraine has lost control, the operators left. so they will bring their personnel and announce they will guarantee security. >> we met him in western ukraine, hundreds of miles from zaporizhzhia. he was evacuated with his wife, daughter, son, and pets. he feels it is his duty to return to work, to help his ukrainian colleagues preventing disaster. >> because there are very few people left there, and my colleagues work without days off, we must work at the plant, and we will keep working. >> the head of ukraine's nuclear authority said workers at the plant destroyed documents before the russians arrived. since taking the plant overcome a russians damaged the outgoing power lines that help provide 1/5 of the country's electricity, and it destroyed the lines that provide incoming electricity to prevent a meltdown.

five of the reactors are shut down. the sixth is still on to provide the plant power. >> the only source of power is one of its own reactors, is that sustainable? >> it is the first time in the history this type of reactor is -- this unit is a very precise along period of time. but if it will be shut down, after that we will rely on these generators. a liability of this -- >> that uncertainty terrifies some nuclear experts. one with decades of experience wanted to speak anonymously because he's critical of the government's response. >> ukraine is not stopping the reactor. the question is why are the safety conditions not being met? >> ukraine state nuclear authority confirms it is

considering shutting down the final reactor. but only when it has reliable incoming power. this expert says that is not fast enough. >> if the safe operating conditions are off, the reactor plant must be shut down. >> he warns there is a real risk the damage so far can pale in comparison to what happens when you make a nuclear plant a combat zone. for the pbs newshour, nick schifrin. ♪ julie: this midterm election cycle, there are high-stakes in campaigns for governor's mansions, winners will impact everything from state elections to issues like reproductive rights. geoff bennett has more on the gubernatorial forecast. >> in a midterm election year, the fight for control of congress gets most of the attention. control of state governments will be on the ballot with the

outcome having a major impact on americans lives. republicans have long dominated the gubernatorial landscape. today they hold 28 governor's mansions while democrats hold 22. but there are 36 races that could change that partisan breakdown. democrats are hoping to make gains this november and have a good chance of flipping two states with current republican governors, but are traditionally blue. maryland and massachusetts. kyle is following all of this closely, the managing editor of crystal ball at the university of virginia center for politics. he joins us now. good to have you here. 36 states with governor seats are up this year. 27 of the candidates are incumbents, typically an advantage, given name recognition and fundraising. republicans are pretty bullish about their chance out west. give us a sense of what is happening. >> what is interesting is maryland and msachusetts, eastern states with republican governors who are otherwise

democratic, nominated pretty far right governors. but because governorships don't necessarily respond to federal partisanship, you have an open race in oregon, a very democratic state. it is a weird three-way race. republicans hope to compete there. vulnerable democratic incumbents in wisconsin, nevada, kansas, in new mexico, michelle lujan grisham running as a democrat. she is also vulnerable as an incumbent. over the last five midterms, about 80% of the governors races that flipped were open seats as opposed to being defended by incumbents. incumbency is valuable. but invariably, one or two lose every year. republicans hope they can beat a couple of democratic incumbents in these swing or read leaning states. >> on the republican side, a number of trump supporting election deniers running for seats in the house and senate. how presen is that far right antidemocratic force in the

governors race? >> one of the most prominent that fits that description is state senator in pennsylvania, the republican candidate. a lot of republicans think he's basically too far right to win in pennsylvania. pennsylvania is close a competitive state. it is an open seat. democrats have held it for two terms. tom wolf the outgoing governor. the state attorney general, who is pretty well regarded as a candidate, the democratic candidate. he has a ton of money. some advantages. if this ends up being a republican wave yea i'd say he's the best example. i would look at kari lake, the republican nominee in the open seat of arizona. a state republicans are defending. kari lake is another person who is definitely talking about the 2020 election a lot, at least in the primary, and is a right-wing candidate. i thinkhe has a fairly decent chance to win. although that is a coin flip

tossup race. >> we talkeabout democrats hoping to flip massachusetts and maryland. what about the battlegrounds? what battleground races are you watching? >> most gubernatorial races are held in these midterm years. almost all the big states have governors races. if you look at pennsylvania, michigan, for joe, nevada, wisconsin, they are some of the closest states from the 2020 presidential election. they all have governors race some have developed in positive ways for democrats. gretchen whitmer in michigan, she's looking better. i mentioned josh shapiro looking good. but tony evers, the democratic incumbent in wisconsin, a close race. steve sisolak in nevada. laura kelly running in kansas. she benefited from a week republican of opponent. she is in her second term in a dogfight in her race. in some of these swing states, kansas doesn't qualify, but others do.

you have great tests of where the parties are in between the presidential elections, 2020 and coming up in 2024. >> we haven't talked about two of the best-known nonincumbent gubernatorial candidates, atul o'rourke in texas, stacey abrams in georgia. they are trailing their republican competitors ever so slightly. >> that is right. for asell known and well loved among democrats as stacey abrams is in georgia, they are kind of polarizing figures. georgia to some degree, they are still kind of center-right states. as much as the candidates fire of democrats, they fire up democratic opponents. polling has indicated steady, solid lea for camp in georgia, and greg abbott in texas. we talk about those races, even though gg abbott has had questions and problems in recent nths. he still looks like he is decently positioned this year. >> c

geoff: what makes governors races different? kyle: there's a little more room to maneuver, if you are from a minority party in the state, to make some hay you maybe could make in a house or senate race. we have some outliers in the governorship. democrats have kentucky in louisiana, kansas we mentioned. we have republican governors in maryland, massachusetts, very blue states otherwise. you could sometimes as a member as may be a party that doesn't control the legislature, you could run a check on the legislature, sometimes you can geswept up in a wave environment and build an independent profile if you get elected. everything in american politics is becoming more nationalized and federalized, but a little less so with the governors races than with house and senate. geoff: kyle, thank you as always

for your insights. ♪ judy: voters with disabilities say more restrictive voting laws are cutting off their access to the ballot box. now, wisconsin is rewriting its guidance after a federal judge sided with four such voters there. i spoke with the attorney for those plaintiffs, scott thompson, earlier this week. scott thompson, welcome. let me start by asking you to give us background. how is it wisconsin has laws on the books that would forbid a voter with disabilities from having someone assist him or her in returning a ballot? scott: wisconsin is emblematic of a bigger nationwide story, using misinformation to drive

policy change. early in 2022, a set of wisconsin political right wing activists filed a lawsuit to make ballot returned assistance and drop boxes illegal. ballot returned assistance being the process by which someone uses a friend or someone of their choosing to return an absentee ballot. when that case made it to the state supreme court this summer, the supreme court held that was generally illegal and refused to consider how voters with disabilities would be able to vote as a result of that case. that's why we filed our lawsuit. judy: tell us in basic terms, what were your plaintiffs asking for in this suit? scott: our plaintiffs are heroes. they sever from disabilities that keep them, in some cases from even leaving their house. we were asking the court to first declare that the voting rights act gives these voters the right to ballot returned

assistance, and then we were asking the court to issue an injunction that would order the state elections commission to guide local elections officials to accept absentee ballots from voters disabilities if they are returned through a third party. judy: what are the challenges your plaintiffs have that were keeping them from being able to return the ballots themselves? scott: tim lives with muscular dystrophy. 24/7, he requires a ventilator and can't really move without the assistance of someone else. the process of filling out and returning an absentee ballot is an important but difficult task for him. he needs someone else's help. that's why we are filing this suit to make sure that he and the other plaintiffs would be able to get those absentee ballots returned and counted. judy: this is from another wisconsin voter, he is

36-year-old william crowley, who explained why he needed help returning his ballot. william: i have limited upper body mements and strength. if i were to go to a post office mailbox, i am unable to open it and throw an envelope in on my own. i am limited in that way. judy: scott, tell us what the judge ruled in ruling in favor of your plaintiffs. scott: the judge agreed with us on no uncertain terms. the order does two things,t declares these plaintiffs rights in wisconsin and make her voting rights act applies. second, he ordered the elections commission had to issue instructions by this friday to make sure local election clerks new to accept these absentee ballots. judy: i want to point out it was last week that prosecutors in wisconsin did charge a man who

was a republican activist, they charged him with voter fraud, including two felonies, alleging he ordered absentee ballots and the names of other people in an effort to prove that voter fraud is easy to pull off. does something like that undercut the arguments? scott: i think this shows it is very infrequent. it also shows that the system we already have works. when there is a rare example of voter fraud like this attempt, our state can prosecute. simply because these activists can dream up ways to potentially commit a crime doesn't mean we should be further restricting the right to vote for anybody, but especially the rights for voters with disabilities. judy: in terms of rot ending this out to the whole country, at states are out there do you believe do a good job of

protecting the rights of voters with disabilities, and what do you think this ruling in wisconsin could have on potential restrictions other courts or legislatures try to impose? scott: i think this ruling sends a clear message across the country that voters with disabilities are not going to stand pat when their rights are being trampled on. as far as nationwide examples, i think some of the states on the west coast, california, oregon, washington, colorado, they have expanded vote by mail in ways that makes the process much more accessible. other states have truly expanded access to ballot drop boxes, and some states are even experimenting with certain online methods to vote with them lock chain based software. i believe west virginia was testing something like that. it shows we can be moving

forward. ultimately these actors are going to test the guardrails of democracy, but it is important we are doing everything we can to push back and make sure the right to vote is protected. judy: scott thompson, an attorney in wisconsin, thank you for joining us. scott: thank you for having me. ♪ judy: waves of sadness and remembrances of queen elizabeth are part of conversations everywhere, as americans and the rest of the world come to grips with her death. separately, results from a "pbs newshour"/npr/marist poll are painting a fresh picture of where the american electorate stands just two months ahead of the general election. for analysis of these and other developments this week, we turn to capehart and gerson. that's "washington post" associate editor jonathan capehart, and his "post" colleague, opinion columni michael gerson.

david brooks is away. hello to both of you. on this friday night. let's start by talking about the woman, no one else like her that we know of, on the throne for 70 years at a time when not just great written -- great britain but the world is going through tremendous change. what do you think she stood for? jonathan: in my mind she stood for stability, and what she achieved for her people was someone who was never changing or slow to change. people i bet today who don't like the monarchy, probably did not like her, with her passing, are probably thinking about what she meant to them in terms of how they feel about their country and where it is going. i love the fact that we watched

this monarch, who became queen as a young woman, and watched her change, evolve, age. in that time, we saw that the queen has a dysfunctional family , sheas to deal with all sorts of things that regular families have to deal with. it is just that she is a monarch and we are watching it all in real time. i think the crown coming out when it did in her later years -- the tv series on netflix, which i have watched in its entirety twice -- michael: i have too, by the way. [laughter] jonathan: it is fascinating to watch. i'm going to stop talking because there is one person at this table who has interviewed

[laughter] who has interviewed a member of the royal family. judy: he has interviewed king charles iii. michael: they call it the show. they divided their political aspirations into two institutions, one is the parliamentary institution that reflects needed change and the other is the monarchy, that reflects tradition and slower change. in the united states, we try to combine both of those things in the present to some extent. he seeks to play both roles like george washington did, for example. but there have many people that failed at that job. but it worked for the lt 70 years because of her. their form of government work properly because of her for the last 70 years. judy: worked properly and now we're onto a new regime and we

want to hear from both of you about what you expect, but michael, you were telling us you spent time talking with him -- what do you expect? michael: at high grove. he is a significantly underestimated public figure. when he first started to talk about organic farming, everybody thought he was barmy. he was a pioneer. when he started talking about the amazon rain forest, preserving it, that has become one of the main environmental issues in our world. when he started talking about the dehumanization of modern architecture, particular public housing, it was a wise and interesting contribution to the public discussion. i am in the camp that i think he is going to take to that office quite well. judy: what do you think about him, and jonathan, what do you think about the monarchy, and does it survive? jonathan: i'm going to share something i told michael i would

not share on air but i will say it -- way back when i had a crush on then the prince charles, prince of wales -- i said it. [laughter] king charles iii is facing challenges. he has a commonwealth where a lot of countries in africa are not celebrating the way people in england are morning -- i shouldn't say celebrating, mourning in the sameay people in england are. a cnn reporter, whose reports from nairobi are bracing in this moment, reminding people there are people in africa who think of the british as imperialists, as colonizers, and they want amends and apologies. prince william, now the prince

and princess of wales, they were in the caribbean in march, and there were protests along the way. prince i think was also -- prince edward i think was also on a trip where there were protests. judy: our reporter a moment ago, we heard from jamaica, saying the time for kings and queens is passed. jonathan: i think for king charles iii, the dilemma for him now is how do you the monarchy together when countries want to leave the commonwealth? countries want to remove british monarch as the sovereign of their country. they also have to deal with australia talking about wanting to leave, new zealand, scotland, wales. the challenge for queen elizabeth ii was to keep the monarchy going, the challenge for him i think is how will he help it survive? judy: how do you think it will

be different? michael: i think it is different in america in a certain way. those objections to imperialism are quite real and important. but when we look at our history, we got our sense of national destiny from the puritans, ok? we had the first great awakening and evangelical movement westfield. we got our approach of republican governance from the reddish --british whigs. we have a tie to britain not just because their family has a soap opera. this is a deep tie of the leaf and background that is different -- of beef and background that is different from any countries. judy: we are talking about two

very different democracies and at a time when democracies have been under attack around the world. this is a democracy that yes, has changed, but the vote is still there. jonathan: the vote is still there. we've seen a peaceful transfer of power from one monarch to another, whereas the cousins over here, we are still grappling with an attempted coup that could happen again. judy: speaking of the vote, we want to share some of the numbers from our poll we did this week with npr and marist, where among other things, we asked people what issues matter to them the most. it has been inflation, inflation, inflation, but we are now seeing, especially among democrats, more than a third are saying abortion. the issue of abortion is driving them to have a greater interest in this election. what does that tell you? michael: it doesn't tell me as

much about the issue of abortion, which is been divisive for a long time. it tells me a lot about the perception of radicalism of the republican party. this is the case where rather than dealing in the aftermath of the dobbs in a responsible way with these issues, republicans looked like it wanted to undermine the health of a 10-year-old could or -- 10-year-old. or the attorney general of texas said he would enforce sodomy laws if the supreme court moves on those. those are deeply radical notions republicans have been led to. i think democrats have been more effective not on changing minds on abortion, but in saying you can't trust republicans with issues like abortion because they are not fit for it. judy: what do these numbers tell you? jonathan: i agree with michael. you can look at where people are

in terms of inflation, immigration, crime, abortion, and i take your point that what we see in these numbers, it maybe isn't about people saying we support abortion, but it is about the radicalism of republicans, or as i look at it, the attack on freedom. if you are going to attack a woman's right to bodily autonomy, another supreme court justice in a concurring opinion says we are going to attack the right of same-sex couples to engage in intimacy, to get married, we are going to attack the right of people to have access to contraception. i think because of that radicalism and attack on freedom, we see in that poll, six out of 10 americans said the supreme court's decision to overturn roe makes them more likely to vote this fall. that was a huge number that jumped out at me and that fits in with what we've seen in other polls that women are registeri

-- they are outpacing men in several states. in ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin. 11 percentage point jump in ohio, 12 in pennsylvania, 15 in wisconsin, six in georgia, seven in north carolina. michael: a battleground group and a lot of this. judy: i don't know if we have time to show this graphic, control of congress, democrats holding their own, 48 democrats and 44 republicans, but want to ask you, when people are asked, voters are asked should donald trump run again in 2024, 67% of republicans said yes. when republicans were asked, what if he is charged with a crime, almost that many still think he should run, 61%. michael: i still want to be shocked by that. this is a case where nald trump has become more radical since he left office in many

ways. we have seen from the hearings, there is plenty of evidence he has done illegal things or may have done illegal things. this is proof that the base of the reblican party is not going to be changed by external factors. the big question that more moderate republicans have is are there 3% to 5% republicans on the margin who will say this guy has too much bagge -- baggage? that's the people i talk to, the think that could be the decider. a small amount of disaffected republicans who liked what he did but find him to have a lot of baggage. judy: how does that weigh on the other party. jonathan: i think the other party should realize whether or not donald trump runs for president, whether or not he is the nominee and faces president

biden in 2024, it doesn't matter whether trump is on the ballot, trump is abroad in the land. those policies will be espoused by desantis or abbott or whoever else ithe republican nominee. i don't think we should be focusing on donald trump, we should be focusing on the republican party. judy: quick coda? michael: i agree, that is the threat and it will not go away if he goes away, but he should go away because of the distinct threat he presents to american democracy. judy: entirely too much agreement here tonight. [laughter] it is perfectly all right. thank you both. ♪ albert bender is a writer, activist, and attorney of cherokee descent. currently based in tennessee, he has long been an advocate for native american cultural

preservation and justice. tonight, he shares his "brief but spectacular" take on upholding indigenous cultures. albert: a thousand years ago, nashville and middle tennessee was the sight of the largest native american population in the entire southeast. some archaeologists have even remarked that the ancient population of nashville was so vast that you cannot walk any place in nashville without walking in the footsteps of ancient native americans. growing up was a realization of the tragic aspects of cherokee history and native american history. my great-great-grandfather was killed fighting white sellers.

one of my first memories is hearing about the trail of tears and historic conflicts native americans have been engaged in with the rising tide of white settlers. the whole idea of my becoming an attorney was to engage in illegal practice that would assist in the promotion of native american rights and sovereignty over the years. we have been able to bring these issues to the forefront and make mainstream tennessee aware of ancient native american history and how it factors in with modern-day day history. the preservation of these ancient sites is for the betterment of all people in this society. i think the ideological standpoint of the majority of the u.s. population is headed in the direction of seeing greater

justice for native american peoples and all oppressed peoples of this country. what you have to have is hope. i have so much hope. my name is albert bender and this is my "brief but spectacular" take on indigenous cultures and struggles. judy: and we thank you for that, albert bender. don't forget to join washington week where they will talk about the ongoing elections. also, please tune in to "pbs news weekend" tomorrow for geoff bennett's interview with secretary of housing and urban development, marcia fudge, on the rising cost of housing. sec. fudge: quite frankly, this has been an ongoing problem. it just didn't start with the pandemic. it just became more clear, and a brighter light was shined on it. we have not kept up with housing in this country for decades. the biggest problem is that there is a supply problem. there is much more demand than there is supply.

and so, we know that, today, we need at least one and a half million new units of housing, just for the population we have right now. we also know that, because of the rising cost of housing, not only just to rent it or to buy it, but also to build it, that we have seen fewer housing starts for single family houses than we have in years. we have seen fewer multifamily units built than we have seen in years. and purchases are going down, as well, because of the economy and other things. so, there's no one solution. but what i do believe that we need to do is find ways to incentivize, or encourage, developers to build more multifamily housing. judy: sec. marcia fudge, that is tomorrow on "pbs news weekend." and that is "the newshour" for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. for all of us at "the pbs newshour," thank you, please stay safe and we'll see you soon. >> major funding for "the pbs newshour" has been provided by

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