judy: good evening. i am judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, congressional crunch. democrats push for legislation and the remaining days before republicans take control of the house of representatives. then, a verdict. the head of a far right militia group is convicted of seditious conspiracy for his role in the january the attack on the u.s. capitol. and the immigration debate. the supreme court hears a case challenging the biden administration's authority to decide who gets deported. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.

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♪ ♪ >> this program was made possible for the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. judy: back from the thanksgiving holiday, the democratic-controlled congress is up against a ticking clock. there are just five weeks until republicans take over the majority in the house of representatives and there is a long list of priorities that

lawmakers are trying to pass before the end of the year. our congressional correspondent, lisa desjardins, is here to walk us through it. a lot to be watching. tonight, potentially historic movement on an important issue. tell us where we are. lisa: we are talking about same-sex marriage. the senate is in the midst of passing a bill that would essentially codify same-sex marriages that are recognized by any state. i want to talk about this bill. it needs 60 votes. it is expected to get 60 votes. let's talk about what this bill does and does not do. this would mean that every state must recognize same-sex and interracial marriages that are recognized in any state that licenses such a marriage. however, it does not mean there would be a national right to same-sex marriage. this would be the same effect as the dodd decision for abortion. we know that same-sex marriage

has been found constitutional. it is a constitutional right under the current supremcourt law but it's not clear. some are worried the supreme court may change that and reverse that right as it did with roe v. wade so this idea for this bill is to protect same-sex marriages in states where that is recognized. i will say when that oberg refill decision -- when that decision was made, 35 states said same-sex marriages was not allowed there and congress is moving on it tonight. judy: we call this the lame-duck session but it is busy, jampacked, as we were suggesting, including some big deadlines including that railway strike issue. tell us where we are with that. lisa: this is an incredibly juicy lame-duck but there are high-stakes issues here. we are just over one week away from potential deadline that

could cause national railway strike. president biden called the leaders in congress to the white house to talk about this and other issues. the white house decorated but all of them had serious faces and all of those leaders left saying they are serious about passing something to either extend the deadline for this strike for negotiators or to force negotiators into a deal , beginning deal that they said earlier. here is what we heard specifically from president biden about thpr. pres. biden: there is a lot to do including resolving the train strike and what we are doing now. congress i think has to act to prevent it. it is not an easy call but we have to do it. lisa: the will from learship is there but this is going to be a heavy lift in the senate where this kind of idea would need 60 votes and would need it by next week. senator bernie sanders among others is someone who thinks that perhaps workers should get

a better deal, holding out for a vote on an idea he has. also some moderate republicans who are needed like senator susan collins. she is not sure she thinks congress should have to get involved. she things the white house made a mistake here so we will watch that closely. judy: the last thing i want to ask you about is funding the government, money that is running out, and the clock is ticking as we said. lisa: they have 2.5 weeks to fund government. in this case, lawmakers are behind in getting things together. they have not even agreed on basic like how much should governments spend? they have a lot to do in a couple weeks and there are a lot of decisions to be made in particular about whether to have another short term deal for maybe a week or so or a couple of months. or do they try and finish the whole year's funding now? here is incoming house -- current house republican leader kevin mccarthy, who hopeso be house

speaker in january, talking about that perhaps he does not want a full deal right now. here is what he said today. >> i'm not going to sit back and let some bill passed in the middle of the night. i am not going to let them continue to do this runaway spending, continue doing more the challenges that we have in america when it comes to our energy policy, border policy. lisa: these dynamics are complicated. he has a lot of votes in the house and he has sway with republicans potentially in the senate so all of these groups have to agree on some kind of large appropriations bill or a short-term deal very quickly. on top of all of that, let's look at the calendar. everything that is ahead of us coming up. one of those deadlines, december 9, is the deadline to avoid a railway strike. just a week after that, december 16, that is the deadline for the government funding bill which needs to be passed by then. december 15, the day right before that, that is the last day the house is supposed to meet for the year.

they don't have any time after that on the schedule and as mentioned, just a couple weeks after that, january 3 is when the new congress is set to begin. i have not even talked about electoral count reform, a man bill, folks talking about immigration. this is a very wild lame-duck session ahead of us. we are going to be talking about it a lot. judy: no one is better equipped to cover it then lisa desjardins . thank you. our other jor story tonight is a federal grand jury has convicted the founder of the oath keepersilitia, stuart rose, of seditious conspiracy in the january 6 the attack on the u.s. capitol. a second defendant was also found guilty and three others were acquitted. mary mccord is the director of the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection. she is a former justice department official. she monitored the trial in washington, d.c. and she joins us now. before i ask you about this verdict, remind us who stuart rose is and what are the oath

keepers? lisa: -- >> stewart rhodes is the self-proclaimed leader of the oath keepers. this organization has been around since about 2009. he and others who were part of this organization attended other standoffs against the federal government such as the standoff in bunker hill, nevada, back in 2015, i believe it was, 2014. and other standoffs out west. stewart, particularly in these last several years, has been very vocal and wanting to come to the defense of president trump initially, should he have been impeached and removed from office. stewart rhodes tweeted about the president only needing to collect the oath keepers and they would ensure he was not removed from office. he continued with that type of rhetoric and planning throughout 2020 and 2021 as the stop the steal movement gained momentum

and the jury has agreed that he was involved in a seditious conspiracy with other oath keepers to actually use force or violence to prevent the execution of laws of the united states, the counting of the electoral college votes. judy: mary, that is not a verdict we hear about very often. mary: as you noted, it is not charged particularly often and it is -- it has not always been successful in the past and that is sometimes because it has been charged where what was conspired to happen never actually happened and i think one of the things that made this perhaps an easier case for the jury was not just that there was overwhelming evidence of the planning to do exactly what ended up happening to use force and violence to prevent the counting of the electoral college votes but it also actually happened. they did use force and violence to hinder and delay and prevent the countin of the electoral

college votes. it was not ultimately successful in overturning the results in the electio that it delayed it by a number of hours so a jury did not have to wonder what they have really made good on their conspiracy? the jury can see it with their own eyes and hear with their own ears that stewart rhodes and other members of the oath keepers did make good on that conspiracy. judy: we know other defendants coming up to trial. does this have significance for those cases? mary: absolutely. with all of these cases coming out of january 6, i think they have looked to see how others fared at trial and so far, those who have gone to trial on felonies have been found guilty. not every member of this mass trial, not all of the five who were charged and tried together were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, but all five were found guilty of some offenses. all five were found guilty of

obstructing an official proceeding which carries the same penalty as seditious conspiracy, up to 20 years in prison. very serious charges, very important verdict, and it is going to put the writing on the wall for others who face this charge. judy: mary mccord analyzing for us this verdict in the case of stewart rhodes. mary, thank you so much. mary: it's my pleasure. ♪ judy: in the day's other news, universities in beijing and other chinese universities sent students home after weekend protests against covid restrictions and against the country's communist leaders. that move came as beijing police were out in force, hunting those who took part in the demonstrations and trying to stop any new protests. the foreign ministry defended those actions. >> [speaking mandarin]

>> china is a country governed by the rule of law and the various freedoms enjoy by chinese citizens are fully guaranteed. at the sameime, any rights and freedoms must be exercised within the framework of the law. judy: protests -- the protests were china's largest since tiananmen sare in beijing in 1989 a new pentagon report estimates that china is rapidly building its nuclear arsenal a closing the gap with the u.s. the report says beijing has more than 400 nuclear warheads and could nearly quadruple that number by 2035. the u.s. currently has more than 3700 warheads. ns calm prevailed in ukraine's capital city today as police braced for a new russian missile barrage and more blackouts. at one point, air raid sirens sounded in kyiv, but it turned out to be a false alarm. meeting in bucharest, nato foreign ministers pledged like

it's, generators, and other aid to ukraine. they say it is crucial to combat moscow's strategy. >> they are using brutal missiles and attacks to leave ukraine cold and dark this winter. president putin is trying to weaponize winter. to force ukrainians to freeze or flee. judy: the nato chief reaffirmed a commitment to have ukraine join the alliance but gave no timetable. israeli-palestinian violence surged again with five palestinians killed across the occupied west bank. in one case, israeli forces shot dead a man who rammed his car into a soldier. clashes have sharply escalated this year with more than 140 palestinians and 31 israelis killed. soccer's world cup, the u.s. won a politically charged match with iran. 1-0 to advanceo the next

round. the americans scored their goal in the first half and then staved off repeated close calls in the second. they play the netherlands o saturday. we will get much more on this later in the program. the city of houston lifted a boil water nice for more than 2 million residents. the notice was issued sunday after a power outage shut down a treatment plant. officials say testing shows that the wer is safe to drink again. on wall street, stocks mostly searched for direction. the dow jones industrial average gained three points to close at 33,852. the s&p 500 slipped six points. a passing of note. democratic congressman donald mceachin of virginia has died after a decade-long battle with cancer. he had been reelected to a fourth term earlier this mth in a district that included part of richmond. he was 61 years old.

still to come on the newshour, arizona's certification of election results is delayed because of baseless of fraud. a deeper look at the united states world cup win over iran that comes amid international tensions. plus much more. >> this is the pbs newshour, from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: the supreme court heard a case two that could have broad implications for how the nation's immigration laws are enforced. john yang is here with more on the days arguments. john: two states, texas and louisiana, are challenging the biden administration's guidelines on who of the 11 million people in the country illegally should be prioritized for deportation. here is our resident supreme court watcher, marcia coyle, the

correspondent for the national law journal in the courtroom today, and teresa cardinal brown, managing director for immigration and cross-border policy at the bipartisan policy center. to reset, what is the difference that texas and louisiana are complaining about? the difference between what the immigration law says and what the biden administration guidelines say? teresa: president biden, when he came in, asked the secretary of review the prioritization of who immigration officials should go after to arrest for deportation in the united states. president obama had similar guidelines. president trump withdrew them and president biden issued new ones. they issued a memorandum that is an exercise of prosecutorial discretion which is that we don't have the resources to arrest everybody who is undocumented in the united states and deport them, so we want to tell our people how to prioritize. what texas and arizona said is

that immigration law does not give you that authority. if they are undocumented, you shall put them in removal proceedings, so some of the debate is "does shall mean sha ll or might?" john:john: there the words of the immigration law and reality. chief justice john roberts. >> assuming we think it would be if not impossible, surprising and very difficult for the executive, t comply, -- executive to comply, shouldn't we take that into account? there are cases where we said shall may mean may. >> the court has said that in the broader context is really about the discretion that federal agencies have in order to go after violations of not just immigration but any federal agency that is enforcing a law

tries to prioritize who they will go after bed on the resources they have, the seriousness of the violation so this case is being watched closely not only for immigration but for what the court may say about that type of discretion. john: teresa, what are the constraints? why would area out the letter of immigration? marcia: the estimates are -- teresa: the estimates are 11 million undocumented people. there are cases waiting to decide. ice, the agency charged with arresting people and putting them in proceedings, only has a few thousand agents for the entire country so it is impossible for them to find and arrest 11 million people. or even put them in detention because congress has not allocated sufficient resources to detain them until they can decide whether or not they can be put into proceedings. judy: another issue that came up

in the arguments today was the question of whether or not texas and louisiana have the right to bring thicase, what is called standing. they are arguing that the administration's guidelines may require them to spend more on things like education, law enforcement, social services, but justice kagan questioned that. marcia: -- >> it is just not enough that you are coming in here with a set of speculative possibilities about your costs. you have to do more than that given the backdrop of what has become i think a system that nobody ever thought would occur which is that the states can go into court at the drop of opinion and stop federal policies in their tracks. john: what is the significance of this not only in this case but the broader outlook? marcia: she was telegraphing

that she does not think the states have standing because the costs that they say they are incurring or would incur are just too speculative and ashy pointed out in that clip later, it would only take a dollar with some judges before they would just knock down a government policy and any state could come in on any policy at any time with speculative costs, but she was also making a point about what has happened. it is not just republican-led states. it's democratic led states as well that when they don't like a policy -- a government policy -- they will go into court and offer these types of costs in order to get standing to bring their lawsuits, and then she said they find a judge that might be sympathetic because they know where to file these cases and that judge on the basis of a dollar of cost could bring a government policy to a dead halt, and that is something

that i think she and others on the court are very concerned about. john: teresa, what about that argument? what are the burdens or the costs on the states of these writing guidelines? -- biden guidelines? teresa: there is not a differentiation between the overall cost to the state for immigrants living in the state and will add additional cost implementation of these guidelines might make. immigrants in a state that are undocumented may be paying taxes but their kids may be in school, they may have health care costs at those states have to bear. that is the case with any state that has immigrants in it. if you are trying to differentiate what is the cost of this particular policy, then trying to guess how many additional immigrants might be in any given state, i think that is really hard today. john: there was a lot of discussion about what this judge in texas dated when the case originally came to him. he wiped out the guidelines entirely. marcia: he did. you usually think when judges

are faced with cases like this, he might issue an injunction which basically, you know, blocks it. may be a nionwide injunction, but it still allows the case to go forward on appeal, even if the government cannot continue to implement it. this particular judge used something called -- he vacated the whole policy. it did not exist. and the government, united states, says you cannot do that. that is not the kind of remedy that the law allows, so there was a lot of discussion that we have talked about before, the administered of procedure act, the rules of the road for federal agencies when they enact new policies or change them. and whether that act allows federal judges to wipe out a government policy instead of just blocking it pending an appeal. but the court is going to do with that, i don't know. the chief justice called it a radical argument because judges are used to using the vacatur,

but i think the government has given them some food for thought. john: thank you very much. >> high pleasure. ♪ judy: arizona has been a hotbed for election to nihilism since 2020 and misinformation is now disrupting what is typically a routine election procedure. one of the states 15 counties failed to meet yesterday's deadline to certify this year's midterm election results. stephanie sy has the details. stephanie: duty, that is right. it was a republican dominated board of supervisors who voted not to certify the election results by last ght's deadline. in response, arizona's highest election official, secretary of state katie hobbs, filed a

lawsuit. she is a democrat and will be the next governor of arizona after she beat a trump-endorsed opponent, kari lake, in the midterms. lake has filed a lawsuit against maricopa county for its handling of the election. all those lawsuits underlie the anger amongst some arizonans who spoke out at a public session with maricopa county's board of supervisors this week. >> this is a war between good and evil and you all represent people. >> you are vote traffickers, vote traffickers. criminal. a curse upon you. a curse upon all of you, you smug people. >> i will just say this. the voting booth is supposed to be a time for peaceful revolution. those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution necessary. >> right there in the middle of

that panel of election officials, the man who joins us now, the chairman of maricopa county's board of supervisors, bill gates, a self-described lifelong republican. chairman gates, it is good to have you back on the newshour here. describe the acrimony you felt at that meeting last night, and did the truth about the midterm election come out in the end? chairman gates: thanks for having me. my colleagues and i agreed it was very important to have public comment, to have people come and speak about their concerns about this election. it is an important part of the process, and we were actually just looking at some of our statistics on last nights meeting. it was the most people we have ever had watch one of our meetings from looking at youtube so there's a lot of interest in it. there were some strong words, no question about that. again, that is everyone's right to say those things.

unrtunately, who had a lot of bad things to say about maricopa county, once they spoke, they laughed. so they did not stick around to hear the explanation of the election by our two codirectors of elections, in which they respond to a lot of those questions and issues that were raised. in the end, this is the important thing for everyone to understand is that everyone who wanted to vote had the opportunity to vote. their vote was counted if they were an eligible voter, and that is why my colleagues and i voted yesterday to certify the canvas of the election. stephanie: we should say that four out of the five on your board in maricopa county are republicans like yourself. you did have printer problems on election day at 70 of the more than 220 voting locations. do you think that the printer issues provided a pretext for unleashing misinformation? and do you have any regrets

about not staying more on top of the equipment? chairman gates: we stayed on top of the equipment. we tested them in advance and we were obviously surprised by these issues with the printers. but i give great credit to our team who went in and they determined what the issue was on election day and were able to get those printers back online and to get the tabulator's excepting the ballots. here is the important thing for people to understand. even if those voters who showed up on election day were unable to run the ballot through the tabulator, they had another option. they could put the ballot in a secureallot box. in fact, in the majority of counties in arizona, that is exactly how it is done on election day. they don't have a tabulator on-se. instead, they put the ballot into a ballot box and it is counted back at central count. stephanie: i understand that but were you concerned about the

perception? you knew tt this needed to be an airtight process. you already had election deny lists at the top of the ticket for the republican party. you had thousands of arizonans, many of whom i have interviewed, questioning the integrity of the election. you knew it had to be airtight. chairman gates: no question about that. we are disappoted that this happened. i said yesterday during this meeting, there's no such thing as a perfect election and it certainly was not a perfect eltion on election day but what people need to understand is that there were redundancies in place so it was a technical issue which created inconvenience for people, but again, people had that opportunity to cast their vote, and here in maricopa county, we have a hybrid system, so you can vote by mail and we have hundreds of thousands of people who choose that option. also for 27 days, people can vote in person and finally,

election day was that final option. in addition to the people who did show up on election day to vote in person -- stephanie: i just want to move on to the issue of cochise county, because that is the one county that has not certified the election results and i know you have a background in election law, chairman. i want to ask you, have the officials committed a felony by not fulfilling this duty and do you think it is possible that votes could be left out of the final state tally next month? chairman gates: i'm not sure whether they committed a felony but i can tell you this, it is a statutory responsibility of the board of supervisors, all 15 of them forhe 15 counties in arizona, to certify the canvas by yesterday. we have 20 days from election day. so by choosing not to, we are now into uncharted territory.

we have not seen this before and that is one of the reasons why there have been two lawsuits that have been brought against the board of supervisors down and cochise county. my understanding is they have a hearing scheduled for this thursday at 1:00 p.m. and the court will rule there. the reality is this probably ends up going through the appeals courts, up to the supreme court to make a decision because under arizona law, the canvas must be certified at the state level by the end of next week. stephanie: bill gates county board of supervisors -- bill gates, supervisor of the maricopa county board of supervisors. chairman gates: thank you. ♪ judy: the world health organization has decided that the virus formerly known as

monkeypox will now be designated m-pox. however one refers to it, the virus spread globally earlier this year, bringing fears of another pandemic. many western countries fought off the outbreak with treatments and vaccines, but in the democratic republic of the congo , endemic and front-line workers are trying to prevent it from once again going global. special correspondent benedict moran and video journalist -- sent us this report from the drc's capital. benedict: dma, monkeypox spread across the globe, eventually reaching at least 75 countries including to europe and the u.s. today after widespread use of antiviral medicine and the preventative vaccine, global reported case are dramatically down. but here in the democratic republic of the congo, the virus remains a threat. in this clinic on the outskirts of kshasa, three young

children are expected of being infected. one of them is a two-year-old. she has a fever and is vomiting. painful sores cover her body. this doctor is treating her. >> [speaking french] >> the children showed up with complaints of fever, vomiting, and rashes. we checked on them but we suspected as monkeypox. benedict: there are no antivirals and no preventative vaccines available to patients. >> the only thing we can do is treat the fever and skin rash. as for the rest, we need help from a me specialized doctors to know what to do in order to better help these kids. benedict: the democratic republic of the congo is the country most affected by monkeypox and it has continually reported cases over the past five decades. for the past few years, it has

seen a surge in cases. the country actually has few tools at its disposal to fight the virus. in antiviral used widely as a treatment is authorized for use in the european union and in the u.s. but not in the congo or anywhere in africa. and not a single dose of the smallpox vaccine proven to be effective against monkeypox is available on the african continent. it is a phenomenon some are calling medical racism. >> there is no profit in it and that is worrisome -- -- racism comes in. benedict: she is an assistant professor of medicine at emory university. >> people who are pr, who do not necessarily have a loud voice to advocate for these things. there is a certain aspects of people being very much stuck in the mindset of what is in it.

and why do we need to invest in malaria, hiv, monkeypox, if it is happening on the others of the planet? benedict: dr. nicole huff spends much of her conventional life encouraging the world to care even if here is the other side of the planet. >> -- benedict: she is an american researcher at ucla and has been studying monkeypox in the drc for more than a decade. >> we are seeing cases all over the country at the moment. the largest outbreak we have seen has been in -- province but we have also seen a number of cases up north closer to this area. benedict: because monkeypox almost never caused an infection outside of africa, it usually remained a distant threat. that meant no money for research. >> there has been almost no funding, especially in drc for

monkeypox. the cases of monkeypox have stemmed from here and so i think to really understand what is going on with transmission, what is going on with the virus, what is going on with mutations, what is going on possibly for the future of monkeypox, this is your base. benedict: after years of neglect, western donors e trying to play catch-up. a new $3 million research project funded in part by the u.s. department of defense hopes to improve virus surveillance. that starts here at the national laboratory. it is the only lab in the country that tests for monkeypox but samples sometimes takes weeks to arrive here. poor infrastructure. by the time results are in, patients have either recovered or in about 10% of cases have died. the assistant director of the national institute for biomedical research kinasa. >> [speaking french] >> the delay between the start

of symptoms and when we receive a lab sample is averaging 21 days. i'm talking about three weeks and the disease itself usually lasts from four weeks to five weeks. benedict: by improving surveillance here, donors hope to stop the virus in its tracks and prevent it from once again going global. peter is the director for centers of disease control and prevention in the drc. >> by building these systems, we believe in containing them here. it's the best strategy of preventing them. propagation and transition onward. it is the best way of preventing the spread originally as well as internationally. benedict: but the drc still will not have widespread access t the antiviral or to the vaccine. the two other children are back at their orphanage. their symptoms have slightly

improved. because of the month delay of the national laboratory, doctors still did not know if it was monkeypox or something more common like the measles. >> you see it is an orphanage, right? where the virus came from, no one knows, who they contracted it from, no one knows. we have to take charge of this situation so it cannot spread any further. benedict: with so many questions unanswered, taking charge of this situation and preventing the virus from spreading may remain a difficult task. for the pbs newshou, i am benedict moran in kinshasa in the democratic republic of the congo. judy: as we rorted earlier, it was a big moment for the u.s. soccer program today as the men's team won a nailbiter to advance to the knockout round of the world cup. it is just the third time the

u.s. men have advanced to the round of 16 and it is an important victory after the team failed to qualify for the last world cup. i'm then the boss -- our reporter looks at the drama behind today's game. amna: by any measure, this is a high stakes match. the u.s. stayed alive in the world cup. that tension was matched only by tensions off the field. two geopolitical photos facing off and iran's team under a white-hot spotlight as antiregime protests continue back home. for more on the game, the cop, and the politics of it all, i'm joined by the cohostf the soccer podcast caught outside. i want to ask you abo that game, that glorious, hard-fought game. the u.s. did pull out a win in the end. what stood out to you from the match? j.j.: the u.s. midfield once

again, we are going to be listing those names like the founding fathers by the end of the tournament. they are the heartbeat of the team. we got the goal. the second half that was needlessly tough and turgid for the u.s., and iran almost getting that vital equalizer towards the end. amna: it had me screaming at the television. this is the team that failed to even qualify for the world cup in 2018. how big a moment is this win for them? j.j.: huge. it is a huge moment and when you take yourself back to that moment when we did not qualify in 2018 the u.s. program was in turmoil, and now, it is a completely young team. there is only one member of the 2014 world cup site that remains so they use an verve of this team is very important. amna: as you well know, before a

single minute was even played, the politics were part of this match. the protests in iran are in their 10th week. the iranian players in their very first match did not sing along to their national anthem. the u.s. soccer team briefly posted an altered image of iran's fly without the emblem of the islamic republic. the games are not being played in a vacuum but are they usually this politically charged? amna: -- j.j.: not really. this tournament has highlighted politics in sport. it was always happening. maybe with social media, we were not so aware about from the minute the spotlight has been on qatar as hosts, the human rights record, their attitude towards lgbtq+ people, so there was a spotlight on the tournament. it was heightened when obviously the iranian protests continue to really affect the team on the field and then of course the action that was taken by the

soccer federation, not by the team. the team were unaware of the social media stance u.s. sf would -- would ussf -- even serbia and albania were involved in heightening that kind of talk about that regional dispute. the serbians putting a flag in their locker room before the brazil game with the flag of serbia and kosovo superimposed so this has been a tournament that really has highlighted your political issues and they have come to the fore. amna: you mentioned that press conference. that was fiery to say the least. iranian journalists putting tough questions to the coach and to the u.s. captain, tyler adams. he was asked if he is ok playing

for a country in which there is so much discrimination against black people. adams said this. he said there is discrimination everywhere you go. one thing i have learned from living abroad in the past year is having to fit in in different cultures and assimile into different cultures. in the u.s., we are continuing to make progress every day. as long as you see progress, that is the most important thing. you have watched a lot of these press conferences. what did you make watching that one? j.j.: i thought it was extremely aggressive and not usually the kind of topic that comes up in a press conference. a soccer press conference. the aggressive tone was from the start. adams was attacked in terms of his, you know, the way he pronounced iran. and then taking them to task over the racial injustice issues in the united states. he was asked about the position of u.s. and naval fleets in the

persian gulf so this is really just a kind of -- i think it was inflamed by the u.s. social media posts and there seem to be some kind of backlash from iranian journalists, many of them state journalists, but you don't see that regularly. it is never usually like that. amna: we have many more games to go. the team will face the netherlands in the next round, the knockout rounds. can they win? j.j.: yes. the netherlands have not pulled up any trees. they did qualify. they have not quite been the team that we expected. they are vulnerable and the u.s. have proven that they can control the ball and the game. can they score enough goals? that is the question. amna: that is the question we will be watching. jj, host of the soccer podcast caught offside. thank you for joining us. j.j.: thank you for having me. ♪

judy: and we will be back shortly but first, take a moment to hear from your local pbs station. it is a chance to offer your support which helps to keep programs like ours on the air. for those stations staying with us, we take an encore look at efforts to create sustainable fishing through what is known as aquaculture. as miles o'brien reports, increased demand for seafood has led to more fish farming and more controversies. miles: if you build it, they will swim. smack dab in the middle of a cornfield in albany, indiana, with an impressive display of major meeting human ingenuity. crops are a long way from home. >> security is absolutely crital.

you have to protect the fish from anything that could harm them. miles: that is sylvia wolf, president and ceo of a bounty, a company focused on fish farming minus the ocean. it does seem like an unlikely place to see thousands of salmon. >> unusual to see them in big tanks but this is the future. miles: it is a completely enclosed fish farm. they produced 1200 metric tons of salmon a year, moving them from tank to tank as they grow, swimming against currents of conventional wisdom. >> we want to make sure we are creating an affordable healthy protein alternatives so more people can choose it. >> this is salmon for the masses. miles: she walked me through the stages of growth. >> these guys ae three months to four months old. they swim, they eat, they poop. that is what they do. that is life. they are going to be sent to

market. we are going to harvest them. they have been in the farm for roughly 19-ish months. miles: that is six to eight months less than other atlantic salmon. these fish are genetically engineered. 30 years ago, scientists spliced in a growth hormone gene from chinook salmon which are more voracious theaters. they added a so-called promoter gene promotion out fish which turns the growth gene on. >> they eat and eat and eat so they grow faster, not larger. but the other thing is they e incredibly efficient in the way that they process their feed into body mass so we actually can feed our fish less to get that accelerated growth rate. miles: in 2015, aqua bounty salmon became the first dramatically modified -- genetically modified animal approved for consumption by the food and drug administration.

the government is requiring it be labeled bioengineered. critics say they did not require the company to do enough research. they are concerned that eating the fish might cause unforeseen consequences to human health. alaska senator lisa murkowski is a strong critic. >> wcall this combination franken fish. because it is just not right. it is just not right and it disturbs me, quite honestly. miles: the fda mandated the salmon be raised in secure land-based facilities. aqua bounty has never reported an escape but opponents of the gmo salmon are concerned they might harm wild fisheries. indigenous fissures in alaska are among activists calling for a boycott. he is the vice president of the indian nation. >> they oppose genetically engineered salmon because we believe very strongly that the salmon were gifted to our

ancestors from the creator and when the creator made and designed salmon, it was perfect. and for man to think that they can somehow modify it and make it better is very arrogant. it is not right. miles: the boycott campaign has worked. many big foodservice companies and grocers are bowing not to sell aqua bounty salmon. so far, only two dishy readers have signed on. aqua bounty is expanding despite the pushback. in april, the company broke ground on a 350 million dollar full-scale production facility in pioneer, ohio, able to produce 10,000 metric tons of fish annually. the company is seeking a state permit to draw 5 million gallons a day from the aquifer. >> a group of about a dozen protesters were making themselves heard today. miles: sparking opposition and a lot of local media coverage. >> to the extent that water comes out of this facility, is

it pretty clean? >> it is we have our own wastewater treatment facility in the back of the farm so we are actually taking any water discharge, putting it through our wastewater treatment to make sure that as we discharge it, we also have settling ponds which continue to remove any -- anything we would not want discharged into the creek or the river and are monitored closely by indiana epa and federal epa. miles: landlocked fish farming is energy intensive and expensive. author and journalist paul greenberg has spent much of his career focused on the fishing industry. >> it is very high energy costs to keep water at a constant temperature and keep the water circulating. all these kinds of things that nature does on its own in a tank based situation, you have to pay for. so it is har to make that profit margin work. miles: but demand for seafood is rising in 70% of the fish we eat in the u.s. is imported.

when compared to fish flown in from norway, scotland, or chile, the cost of salmon raised on land might be on par, but can an indoor fish compete on taste? i asked aqua bounty to send me a sample. they gave us the whole darn fish. my partner, susie, cooked it up. this looks like regular salmon? >> this looks like any atlantic salmon that i would cook. miles: and it passed the test. the consistency is good. it smells great. it's delicious. seafood without the sea. it might be one way to help feed the planet but it comes with a side of controversy and concern. it is definitely not a free lunch. for the pbs newshour, i am miles o'brien in albany, indiana.

♪ judy: elizabeth is an attorney and a climate justice leader born and raised in new york city. as executive director of up grows, the latino based organization, she is leading change and sustainable development, environmental justice, and community led adaptation. tonight, she shares her brief spectacular take on community resiliency. >> my father died of an asthma attack when he was in his early 50's. my mom just had lung cancer and passed away recently. i had a bilateral pulmonary embolism that almost took me out a few years ago and what we all have in common is that we were all born and raised in what we

call the environmentalustice communities so this problem of environmental racism is personal. you grow up in a family that has asthma, upper respiratory disease, living in the midst of spaces where there is lead paint, and the kinds of omissions that harm our community, as descendants of colonialism and instruction -- extraction and enslavement, we particularly susceptible. it was in 1996 when a woman in the community told me she would get up in the middle of the night to see if her children were still breathing. i realized that if we could not breathe, we could not fight for justice. it was not anything more fundamental than the right to breathe. that is my entry into the environmental justice movement. it is the disparate inciting of environmental burdens in communities of color. all we need to do is look at

hurricane katrina, hurricane maria, hurricane andrew, and you know who was impacted most. literally the people least responsible for creating climate change, black indigenous people of color, people who have historically always lived within their carbon footprint. those are the communities most devastated and impacted by climate change. i think of our ancestors had thought everything was hopeless when they were in shackles, when they would be brutally beaten, we would not be here right now. we tell young people to get lessons from their ancestors and remember that we are supposed to be fighting building. beyond this moment of crisis right now, when you do this work, the people that you love that have been toiling under the worst circumstances for generations are not at those tables that we are at so we bring that narrative with us. we bring that personal story with us. we cannot separate that personal narrative, that narrative from

policy, from science, from research, from data collection, from decision-making. everything that we do is shaped by the concern to ensure that future generations are not implanted like our families have been. my name is elizabeth and this is my brief but spectacular take on climate justice. judy: so important to hear that perspective. and that is the newshour for tonight. i am judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you, please stay safe, and we will see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by -- >> architect. beekeer. mentor. the raymondjames financial advisor taylor's advice to help you live your life. life well-planned. >> carnegie corporation of new

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