judy: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight, mr. -- tonight. mr. pence: the election was not stolen. judy: former vice president mike pence sits down with us to discuss the january 6 insurrection and why he supported gal challenges to the 2020 election leading all the way up to that fateful day. then, runoff. early voters wait in line for hours to cast their ballots in georgia's contentious senate contest. and risi tensions. turkey attacks kurdish military bases along the syrian border, a move that could have significant implications for the u.s. fight against isis all that and more on tonight's "pbs newshour." ♪

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this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. judy: a bill to block a threatened railroad strike is headed to president biden for his signature. the u.s. senate gave final approval today to imposing a settlement on freight railroads and labor unions. the five-year deal includes .isy esa senators rejected a separate measure to grant seven days of paid sick leave toail workers. there's obviously going to be glitches in it. and the need to reconcile changes in it. the court agreed to pause on

loan repayment will continue. a u.s. federal appeals court has halted a special masters review of classified documents that the fbi took from former president trump's mar-a-lago home. it marked a victory for the justice department. clearing the way for it to use all the records seized in the august search for its criminal investigation. president biden welcomed french president emmanuel macron to the white house today amid antagonism in a newly minted climate law. he charged that subsidies for american-made electric vehicles and other technology will hurt european countries. mr. biden said that was never e intention and he offered reassurance. pres. biden: there's obviously going to be glitches in it and need to reconcile changes in it but the essence of it is we are going to make sure that the united states continues just as

i hope europe will be able to continue, not to have to rely on anybody else's supply chain. judy: mr. biden is willing to speak with vladimir putin if putin shows an interest in ending his war in ukraine. more cities across china lose and covid-19 restrictions today after mass protests last weekend. in the south, traffic flowed again in the city of guangzhou as workers took down road blocks and dismantled outdoor testing sites. reuters reported chinese authorities plan to allow home isolation and to reduce mass testing. that is up 25% from this year. the world body estimated today that nearly 340 million people worldwide will need help. that is roughly the population of the united states.

>> needs are going up because we have been smitten by the war in ukraine, by covid, by climate, and i fear that 2023 is going to be an acceleration of all those trends. judy: than five times the amount it needed just a decade ago. back in this country closing , arguments began in new york, in the criminal tax fraud trial against the trump organization. defense lawyers told the jury that a longtime finance chief and not the company was to blame for executives evading taxes on company pes. prosecutors rejected that claim and said the company is still liable. jury deliberations are expected to begin next week. a top financial regulator prsed congress today for stronger oversight of cryptocurrency now that the ftx exchange has collapsed. rostin behnam chairs the u.s. "commodity futures trading

commission." he urged senators to act soon on a bill establishing a regulatory framework. >> strengthening the bill and filling in the gaps is one thing. we need to move forward as soon as possible. we don't want this to happen again in the next few months and have the risk of customers of losing money because of these gaps. lisa: -- judy: the "securities and exchange commission" is also pushing to be the prime regulator of crypto. on wall street stocks came back , to earth after yesterday's big rally. the dow jones industrial average lost 194 points to close at 34,395. the nasdaq rose 14 points. the s&p 500 slipped three. baseball hall of fame pitcher gaylord perry died today at his home in south carolina. he played from 1962 to 1983, and was first to win a "cy young" award as outstanding pitcher in both leagues. for years, perry befuddled opponents and umpires with his "spitball," doctored with saliva

or another substance. he later said he would touch his head or jersey, just to get hitters worried. gaylord perry was 84 years old. still to come on the "newshour," former president obama tries to give senator warnock a boost in georgia's runoff. turkey complicates the fight against isis with attacks against kurdish military bases. the mayor of new york city orders some homeless people to be involuntarily hospitalized. plus, much more. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washinton and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: former vice predent mike pence has said he's considering running for president in 2024, but he's been notably quiet about the events of january 6, saving his take for his newly released book, which i spoke with him about earlier today, called, "so help me god."

vice president mike thank you for joining us. -- mike pence, thank you for joining us. you write about being in the capitol. your life was reatened. you had to hide in the basement and you met with former president trump and he expressed what you said was a hint of regret. he apologized? mr. pence: thanks for having me on newshour. let me add my voice to congratulating you on five decades of extraordinary journalism. honored to be with you. january 6 was a tragic day but it would be some five days after the tragic event that the president asked for an opportunity to speak with me. i walked down to the oval office, went into the back room where we had spent so many hours together. it really forged a close working relationship, but obviously, it had not ended well.

when i walked into that back room, the president looked up at me and first expressed concern about my wife and daughter, who he said he had just learned were with me throughout the day and night of january 6 and january 7. i answered to him sternly that we were fine. he asked me if i was afraid. i told him no, mr. president. i was angry. i was angry about our differences and i was also infuriated at what i had seen that day. people ransacking the capitol, breaking glass, assaulting law enforcement officers. but in that moment, i did sense deep remorse. the president, i think the president was deeply regretful about what had occurred. judy: you say you sensed it but he did not apologize. he did not sam sorry. mr. pence: not in so many words. in the 90 minutes we spent

together, i sensed his regret both in his tone and demeanor. we parted amicably but in the days that followed, he returned in the months later to the rhetoric he was using before january 6, arguing that i had the right to overturn the election, i just decided it would be best if we went our separate ways and we have. judy: to this day, you argue it was right to challenge legally the results of the 2020 election even though just four days after, the highly respected and cautious associated press called the election for joe biden. these challenges went through court after court after court but you continued to say that challenges should happen. as late as late december, you were in augusta, georgia. you cheered a texas lawsuit that would have thrown out four states results. how do you it's plain that? mr. pence: -- explain that?

mr. pence: my commitment is to the laws of this country, judy. after every election, we have a process, and that is any campaign has the right to go to the courts with any allegations of irregularities or fraud and i fully supported our campaign's efforts in that regard and fully exhausted the legal remedies that might have existed in the court. judy: even beyond that? mr. pence: i did support the objections filed in the congress because the electoral count act allows for that. objections that are filed by a member of the house and member of the senate are to be considered before the congress of the united states under the electoral count act. judy: don't they have to be based on something that's real? mr. pence: the fact is, there were irregularities that took place in the election. in the aftermath of the wisconsin election, the supreme court of wisconsin found that state law had been violated in two separate instances, not in a way that would have changed the

outcome of the election but the state law was set aside. the same in pennsylvania. there were irregularities. and the possibility that there would emerge evidence of fraud was always there. and remember, judy, democrats filed objections in the last three presidential elections where a republican prevailed, including in 2016 donald trump bandai were elected. judy: those were on a very -- and our elected. judy: those were on a very different scale. in wisconsin, the state supreme court ruled prospectively, did not have anything to do with 2020 so i am trying to understand where was the real evidence of a regularity? that amounted to a serious challenge? mr. pence: respectfully, the wisconsin supreme court said that unsupervised ballot boxes for early voting was against wisconsin law. there was an evidence that there was fraud or abu, but there

were irregularities. and quite honestly, i thought quite honestly that channeling the great concern of millions of americans about the 2020 election into the legal process is not just for the crts but in the congress of the united states. it would be very useful to hear of the irregularities and if there was any evidence of fraud, which would never come, the people would learn that as well in the congress. judy: the conrns you are describing had been stokeby former president trump. every day, he was saying there were massive irregularities, there was fraud, that the election was stolen. there was no actual evidence that was the case and you did not speak out publicly. in the book, you write about privately saying to the president that you did not see evidence but you did not publicly say anything so do you feel you have responsibility for not doing what you might have done, frankly, to down scale

this massive following that former president trump had, leading right up to january 6? mr. pence: not at all. the fact is that i think the role of the vice president is to support the president, to share thoughts with the president in private. and it would be shortly after the election, may be week later, that i first told the president he ought to be prepared to accept the outcome of the election and move forward. judy: but you weren't saying that publicly. mr. pence: but judy, you presume that we knew for certain that there was no fraud. there were 60 legal cases underway. judy: thereas no evidence. mr. pence: there was no evidence up to that point just as there was no evidence of fraud, the three different times that democrats brought objections before the congress, but they had every legal right to do it and members of congress had every legal right as well the campaign to go to the courts, to

go to the congress. my judgment was the way we move forward as a country as we stand on that constitution, on the laws of the country, and we let the legal -- we lethe legal structures that exist to evaluate concerns about elections to go forward. judy: even as you saw the building anger on the part of hundreds of thousands, millions of president trump supporters, you did not feel that you had a responsibility to say, wait a minute, there is no there there. there is no evidence to this point. whereas on the other hand, he was every day saying that there was. i just want to say it was december 19 when he tweeted "come to washington on january 6, it will be wild." you said that might not be a bad idea, that people could watch the debate on the floor of congress, but how does "will be

wild" square with a debate on the floor of congress? mr. pence: i literally had been to dozens of trump rallies since the campaign in 2016 and in our four years, i actually thought there might be some use in having people come and draw attention to the legal process that would take place in the congress, and that we would have an opportunity to vent concerns about irregularities that did occur and look at any fraud evidence that ultimately did not come, but it never occurred to me anymore than i think almost anyone else that the violence that day would ensue and the tragedy that unfolded that day was something that i frankly never imagined. it's one of the things i thought that day as i was witnessing what was unfolding in the capitol building. i was determined not to leave my

post. but i was also angry, judy. i mean, i had spoken in front of -- judy: at former president trump? mr. pence: well, yes, but also, i was angry at what i saw and the way it dishonored the people who had supported our cause around the country who i know in my heart of hearts would never have done anything like that there or anywhere else. vanessa: millions of em also believe the election was stolen thanks to what president trump continues to say. i'm going to ask you about 2024. mr. pence: if i may, the issue of challenging the legitimacy of elections was deeply unfortunate. the election was not stolen. the election was conducted under the constitution, reviewed and courts, but it's important to know it wasn't the first time that people were saying the election will stolen. hillary clinton, for esstially

three years in a row after the 2016 election, repeatedly said the election was stolen. we endured 2.5 years of an investigation accusing our campaign of colluding with a foreign power to win the election. jeffries, who was just elected as democrat leer of the congress said as recently as 2020 that history would never recognize donald trump as a legitimate president so i believe it would be important on both sides of the aisle for people to recognize that our elections are conducted under the law, conducted at the state level, and that we ought to be prepared after all appropriate legal review is done to accept the outcome of elections and move forward. judy: former president trump says he is running again. you are giving it serious consideration. how would a pence administration -- would there be substantive

differences between your presidency and another trump presidency? mr. pence: i became a republican. because of ronald reagan. i started out my young career in politics as democra but ronald reagan's commitment to a strong defense, to limited government on the constitution, to traditional values, inspired me to join the republican revolution, and i never looked back. my years in congress, i was about that cause and about that movement. i think donald trump added to that. he added an understanding that border security as part of national security, that china represents the greatest economic and strategic threat to the united states in the 21st century. and all of those ideas, i hardly embrace -- i hardly embrace. we will carry all those values.

it isn't just about the four years of the trump and pence administration. it's about a conservative movement i have been part of and i write about for my entire adult life. judy: are you saying there would be substantive differences between what you would do as president if he were elected and what he would do? mr. pence: i think there would be. and chief among them would be we have to put our fiscal house in order. i don't think the trump and pence administration did enough to rein in big government spending. in the midst of covid, we spent we needed to spend to get american families and american businesses through the worst pandemic in 100 years. i do believe whoever is the next president, it will be important that we bring about the kind of reforms and make the kind of choices necessary to lift the burden of more than $30 trillion of debt on our children and grand children. judy: you were head of the coronavirus task force.

the former doctor was advised during -- advising the congress. under oath, testified that the white house response was chaotic. it was delayed beyond what it should have been and in her words, she was under oath, she said the administration's response and that well over 100,000 american lives were lost because of former president trump following the advice of deeply unqualified people like scott atlas rather than the experts. you were at the center. is that what you saw? mr. pence: i will always be proud of what the american people accomplished, particularly in those early, difficulties of the covid pandemic. when i was tapped to lead the task force at the end of february, we literally had to reinvent testing from a standing start and generate billions of medical supplies, work on therapeutics, and we had a herculean task of enlisting

companies around the country to develop a safe and effective vaccine in a fraction of the time that vaccines ordinarily take. i want to say dr. deborah birx was at the center all of -- of all of those decisions and help to facilitate us to meet that moment, particularly in those early on certain days. judy: it's a very serious charge that over 100,000 lives were lost. masking, president trump dismissed masking. we hardly ever saw him wearing a mask. mr. pence: one life lost was too many. i grieve for every family that lost a loved one in the midst of the covid pandemic. i also grieve for the fact that the biden administration lost more americans with all of the tools that we did not have in their first year that we lost in our first year with covid. judy: former president trump's meeting last weekend, mar-a-lago, with nick flynn test, known to be a neo-nazi

white nationalist, you have said the president should not have had that meeting, that he should apologize for it. he has not apologized. if he doesn't, is he morally qualified to be president again? mr. pence: i think that will be a question for the american people but president trump was wrong to give a white nationalist holocaust denier a seat at the table and he should apologize for having done so and he should denounce those views. judy: any president who runs -- someone who aspires to the presidency is going to be connected to his own party and what that party is doing in congress. right now, the new republicans coming into the majority in the house are talking about investigating january 6, talking about hunter biden, the president's son, investigating him. would these be your priorities? mr. pence: oversight is important to the congress. we have separation of powers and

congress has every right to conduct oversight on a broad range of issues. but for my part, i will be encouraging republicans as i did last year when we published what we would call the freedom agenda from the foundation that i created, i will be encouraging republicans to offer a program that addresses the real issues the american people are facing. inflation is at a 40 year high, crisis at our southern border, energy prices through the roof, climbing the streets. i am someone who really believes without a vision, the people perish. i think the republicans in the house of representatives and in the minority in the senate ought to work tother to articulate a vision for how we uld need this country back to the securi and prosperity that we experienced in those first three years of the trump and pence administration so as they do their oversight, i hope they are leading with real solutions for the challenges facing everyday americans. judy: do you think it is a mistake for them to be focusing on investigations?

mr. pence: it's all about priorities. i think that they can do both but i have every confidence that kevin mccarthy will lead the house majority to advance policies that will address the real challenges that americans are facing. judy: former vice president mike pence. thank you very much for joining us. mr. pence: thank you, judy. good to be with you. judy: georgia's runoff election for a u.s. senate seat has broken records for the most people voting early on a single day. more than one million people have already cast their ballots in the race that was triggered after neither the income but democratic senator, raphael warnock, nor republican challenger herschel walker received the required 50% of the vote to win outright last month.

joining me now from atlanta is our laura lopez who has been on the campaign trail with both candidates today. so hello, laura. the election is next tuesday. former president obama is there. his seco visit. he was there last month. tell us what you are seeing and hearing. laura: i am here at the historic home and yards in the kirkwood neighborhood of atlanta in the former president, obama, is going to be joining senator warnock here. he's really trying to make this final push ahead of a final day of early voting which is friday and also ahead of him as he said, the december 6 runoff. i was speaking to voters on their way in here. the line was snaking around this old railyard and voters were saying that they were really motivated to encourage others around them. democratic voters to vote for warnock, saying that they really wanted to see him continue in the senate and that they felt as though it was just as important

as the general election so right now, it's not really looking as though enthusiasm is dropping off at all among democrats. judy: really interesting and as we just reported, historic turnout so far in the early voting even though the balance of power in the senate is not on the line. how is that thought to be affecting the race overall? laura: democrats in georgia think the fact that democrats have maintained control of the senate actually gives them an edge heading into this runoff because they are thinking that it could potentially dampen republican turnout. now, herschel walker is trying to really win over those brian kemp voters. that is the republican governor in georgia. the voters that did not vote for him in the general election. there was some 200,000 that voted for governor kemp, who did not vote for herschel walker and there were a number of split ticket voters so walker is trying to really win over a lot

of those moderate independence, people who voted for warnock as well in the general, but it remains to be seen if he's going to be able to close that gap has democrats have really changed the ground game here, judy, since 20, and i was talking to a former election official, a republican, who is saying that democrats have improved their organizing around the early vote come around absentee voting, and then it's really put republicans on their back foot as they try to close that gap. judy: you mention herschel walker a moment ago. the republican candidate. you were with him on the campaign trail earlier today. tell us how he's spending the final days of the campaign. laura: herschel walker is on a bus tour as he makes his rounds throughout the state. i was with him a a stop in columbus, georgia, a little south of atlanta, and he was really just trying to rally his

most loyal supporters there. the voters had voted for walker in the general election. they were not voters who were coming over to him or switching at all. they said they were supporting him because they wanted someone who would vote against president biden's agenda in the senate and walker's speech was really just a redmeat speech. in it, walker said he would be a check against by then and equated voting for democrats to actually heading towards hell versus hean. there were a lot of biblical verses walker doled out. there were speeches about gender identity and culture wars so there was not in his -- there was not much in his speech that could win over some of the independents he said he's trying to in his final stretch. judy: really interesting. it is all heating up in georgia as they head towards this big

tuesday runoff. laura lopez reported for us in atlanta. thank you,aura. laura: thas, judy. judy: isis named a new leader this week after its previous leader was killed fighting and serious southwest but it is syria's northern border with nato member turkey that has the u.s. concerned about new violence. the turkish military has been attacking syrian kurds who are u.s. partners in fighting isis. nick schifrin speaks to the commander and examines how the tensions could affect u.s. efforts in the region. nick: along the turkish-syrian border, a turkish bombardment. for 10 days, the turkish military targeted kurdish militia bases including within a few hundred feet of u.s. troops on a joint u.s.-kurdish base. kurdish critical infrastructure,

the kurds themselves. in the family of a fighter, his daughter, inconsolable. >> they want to exterminate the kurdish people and the people of this area. nick: 10 days of funerals for dozens of people killed by attacks on $.90. the general commands the regions offense forces. >> all my soldiers and their focus have been distracted and they are focusing on the protection of their families. nick: turkey because the military operations a necessary response to istanbul's deadly terrorist attack. in mid-november, a bomb killed six people on one of the cities tour most popular shopping streets. turkey blamed kurdish terrorists that have targeted the state for years. over four decades, turkey fought

the pkk, considered a terrorist group by turkey and the u.s.. kurdish fighters known as the ypg are based in northern syria and in 2018 and 2019, turkish troops invaded to create what on kara -- ankara because buffer zones. the stf control the area in yellow. after they fought and defeated isis alongside the u.s. military. today, 600 american soldiers in northeast syria patrol with the sdf to ensure isis doesn't return. when they secure cams that hold isis sympathizers and fighters families, the sdf's anti-isis operations are paused after threats of a ground invasion. >> the ex paris date of these terrorists has now passed.

the concrete tunnels in which they take refuge today will soon come their graves. >> do you fear that turkey will launch a further ground invasion in the comg days? >> in my opinion, what he is doing is like a test. he is testing america and russia. if there is not enough reaction from them, he will be able to carry out an operation within a short period like a week. nick: russian troops operate in northern syria and moscow urged turkey to show restraint. last night, secretary of defense lloyd austin told the turkish minister of national defense of the u.s.'s strong opposition to a new turkish military operation. >> what we are talking about here is ensuring we can continue to keep the defeat isis mission going without destabilizing the regionhich we believe that a ground invasion would result in. nick: administer ration officials tell pbs newshour they have delivered their strongest

messageso turkey in private. he asked for more public support. >> we see that there is a weak position. there should have been a clear position regarding these violations. we see that this is not enough r what happened and we hope that the communication that takes place to private channels will be sufficient to stop turkey. nick: do you want the u.s. military to be speaking more strongly in public? >> of course, because this time, turkey has crossed its border and is targeting the forces at work with the international coalition. nick: for years, the u.s. has struggled to balance commitments to turkey and curds and today, turkey is holding up a u.s. priority. >> applications of two great democracies. nick: finland and sweden's ascension into nato. >> i don't want to be in syria forever. it is sand and death.

nick: kurdish leaders have worried aut the u.s. leaving syriand abandoning them to bashar al-assad's army. is the u.s. reliable partner? >> in fact, this depends on this administration. the previous administration, when turkey occupied our land, it appeared the u.s. was not a reliable ally but in the biden administration, they pledged to protect this region and they have been able tfulfill their promises. these threats are now a test for america so the premises between us will not disappear. nick: turkey received strong u.s. warnings, administer ration officials believe. they can threaten the mission against isis and sparking fears the kurds will have to sacrifice even more. for the pbs newshour, i am nick schifrin.

judy: the rise in homelessness is a source of major tension around the united states, including in new york city, which has a larger homeless population than any other city in the u.s. this week, mayor eric adams announced a new policy to try to curb homelessness. but as william brangham tells us, it has also drawn criticism. william: judy, the new policy gives police and other first responders the authority to forcibly hospitalize anyone living on the streets who, because of their mental illness, are believed to be a danger to themselves, not just a threat to others. announcing the plan tuesday, mayor adams said he wanted to address what he called "a crisis that we see all around us." >> if severe mental illness is causing someone to be unsheltered and a danger to themselves, we have a moral obligation to help them get the

treatment and care they need. william: the mayor said city hospitals would also be required to develop ongoing treatment options for those admitted. for more on the challenges and questions surrounding this plan, i'm joined by sam tsemberis. he's the founder of pathways to housing, which is a national homeless advocacy organization that started in new york city. you have helped struggling with substance-abuse disorders to try to help those people. so from your perspective, what do you make of the mayor's plan? sam: thanks for having me on, william. it is good to be back with you. the mayor's plan came as a bit of a surprise to me. a very disappointing surprise because i have been working in this field for a decade, as you say, and another well-intentioned mayor, almost

35 years ago in new york city, had a similar -- had exactly the same proposal to take people who were apparently a danger to themselves or gravely disabled off the streets involuntarily. bring them to the hospital for treatment. and this was an idea of a compassionate approach as mayor adams just said, a moral obligation to do something about homelessness. yes, we do have a moral obligation to do something about homelessness, but that something has to be informed by evidence and experience. we already know that involuntary treatment in a psychiatric hospital is not a solution to homelessness. housing is a solution to homelessness and follow-up mental health support services are what helps people with mental illness do better. william: i want to ask you about

the coercive, involuntary nature of this. if you are asking police to take people against their will, that may be illegal and certainly unethical. do you think it is humane and/or effective depressed people who might be resisting treatment into treatment? sam: i don't think treatment actually works in a coercive manner. it works much better when a person is offered options. when we started the housing first program, it was exactly after five years of this coercive taking people to the hospital, they stay a month and discharged back to the street with no housing, these repeated failures led us to do something different which imuch more effective. we do need to intervene when someone is actually a danger to themselves, if they are coughing up blood o wounds, there are

emergency situations, but we already have mental health laws that address these quite adequately and they are often enacted by a psychiatrist or social worker or nurse. police officers are about enforcement and public safety. they are not clinicians. it's really a questionable practice to put that kind of decision-making authority into the hands of the police. william: one of the problems, as i think you know, is that new york city has suffered several terrible violent attacks by people who are mentally ill and living on the streets. again, we should caveat this by saying mentally ill people are much more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators of it, but many people argue that they feel terrorized and the city has to something. the remedies that you are talking about have been difficult to fund and implement.

if you were counseling the mayor of new york city, any big city, what would you be counseling them to be doing? sam: i would be counseling them to take an evidence-based approach. i think caution and public safety are a huge issue. they are random acts of violence as you say so that's not really a big problem or frequently occurring problem. we have people roaming the streets that are clearly disabled, clearly need assistance, and clearly need housing. the focus has to be on addressing the homelessness first for all of our sakes, not just for the folks who are homeless, for all of our sakes. we would have a safer, healthier, better environment. we did this during the height of the pandemic before the vaccine. we would put people into the empty hotels. we knew that a safe space is exactly what people who are homeless needed to stay safe,

keep the rest of us safe, and people did much better. now that the emerging -- emergency funding is gone, people are back on the street in larger numbers than before. we need to do an emergency program but the emergency is about homelessness, not about mental illness. mental illness takes a wild tequila. homelessness can be cured immediately by the offer of an affordable place to live and for these people with severe mental illness, robust follow-up support services. that is what the evidence shows to be effective. judy: i guess we are going to have to wait -- william: i guess we are going to have to wait to see. there is reporting that that is what is coming down the line in new york city's plan which may suffer quite a few legal challenges as well. sam, always good to see you. thank you so much. sam: thank you. judy: thank you, william. we will be back shortly but , first, take a moment to hear from your local pbs station. it's a chance to offer your support, which helps keep programs like ours on the air.

♪ judy: for those stations staying with us, we get an encore from world renowned singer michael buble. throughout his 20 year career, buble's name has been synonymous with the kind of music that seems to transcend generations. geoff bennett spoke with him to learn about the mind behind the voice for our arts and culture series, canvas. geoff: in a modern musical era, michael b occupies a all his own, reinterpreting thomas jazz and big-band classics alongside his own contemporary pop songs. he is out with his 11th full-length album. it includes a duet with willie nelson and a recording with sir paul mccartney. buble is currently back on the

road. his new concert tour just wrapped up in the u.k. and the u.s. i spoke with him ahead of his show in washington, d.c. what is it like when you stand on that stage and you are responsible for captivating and arena full of 20,000 people just by the sheer force of your personality and your perfmance? how do you do it? michael: i think that there is an alter ego heater. -- here. it is a way of having self protection. i think that there is this magic in becoming the superhero that you always wanted to be. there is this magic in the p eace of knowing you can seduce an audience that way, a relationship that way. i think there's a lot of joy in that. in my early 20's, it was a lot scarier. now, as i am in my 40's, i have been out here for 25 years. it is joy.

often, within the moment, i'm going, wow, i can't believe this is my life. i get to do this. geoff: you have always been really intentional about the songs you choose to interpret. what informs the choices you make about i want to sing that song and not that one. michael: love. if i don't love it, if it is not something that completely fills me up, i cannot. there is no way i'm doing it. i know i will have to do this for the rest of my life and if i am lucky enough to do this until i am an old man, if people don't kick me off the stage and say you are done, you should not be out there, then i need to absolutely love and be in the moment of every song. i have a bunch of originals that people know and i am blessed that i have new hits. i try not to be too self-indulgent about that. i don't want to do only stuff.

people are getting the hits. if you come, i want you to walk away and say he did everything we wanted him to do. there's like -- every song has to be loved. geoff: the duet with willie nelson, crazy. michael: crazy good. that was so cheesy. he is my hero, man. my big hero. geoff: there's so few of those guys left, so few musical heroes, unfortunately. michael: country guy? i know he is a country guy but for me, one of the great records of my life was stardust where he was covering all these incredible songs. i think it's one of the greatest things in my life, getting to work with him and meet not just him but getting to know his wife who is an incredible, wonderful, kind, real, funny, amazing woman.

there is so much about this record that w a massive joy for me. there was a lot of pinching myself, working with sir willie nelson, sir paul mccartney, -- geoff: listening to his latest album, i was paying close attention to your technique because that contemporary stuff sounds completely different than when using the classics. how do you do it? what informs your approach? michael: i think my love of music. i think it is easy -- it is easy to study something when you love it. you understand the logistics of singing that way, how to sing differently. when i sing stylistically, i mean, weirdly, i can walk you through it. i think it is boring. i always feel like it is weird. it is hard to do without singing. dean martin would, you know, get real low. very similar to elvis presley. you have a fast by broader.

they almost sound the same. elvis, you have ♪ wiseman say ♪ and he would have this quick vibe brought up. if dean had done that, -- ♪ only fools rush in ♪ and it sounds kind of effortless. sinatra sings on the vowels, you know. ♪ but i can't help falling in love with you ♪ and he does the weird e's. i don't know, the soul music, all the people i love from donny hathaway to sam cooke, there's all of these little, tiny little changes. the nuances. i basically have stolen as much as i possibly could, as much as

i could. i had met tony bennett and we were doing a record for the first time. mr. bennet, i have stolen so much from you. all these people, and he smiled at me and said, kid, you steal from one, he said you are just a thief. but when you steal from everyone, you can call it research. i thought that was great. >> we all do it. everyone is paying tribute to someone else. i don't care. you can sort of almost trace the steps back to who has turned on who and how they have paid tribute by taking certain things. thank you so much. i had a great time with you.

♪ judy: student reporters in los angeles recently found themselves in a difficult position, at odds with the administration atheir magnet school, which specializes in journalism. autry rozendall of our pbs newshour student reporting labs has the story. >> we can have two photos. autry: student journalists at daniel pearl magnet high school for journalism and communication in los angeles were surprised whenhe school administration attempted to censor the student run. newspaper editor natalie miranda says the staff was under a lot of pressure. >> that whole situation, it really did stress me out because i knew i had written the story. autry: the problem started for the staff of the online newspaper, the pearl post, when they published a story about the library closing. the librarian left her position last october due to the los angeles unified school district's covid 19 vaccination mandate. editor-in-chief delilah brumer says the staff's decision to report and publish the story was straightforward in a school with

fewer than 30 employees. it's very newsworthy at a small school where everyone notices when someone's gone. it's been almost a year and the library is still closed. after the story was published, the principal asked the student reporters to remove the former librarians name at her request. the newspaper's staff refused and had the support of their advisor. after working as a newspaper reporter, veteran journalism teacher adrianna chavira has run the school's journalism program for 14 years. >> this whole story is full of irony. i've never had a principal ask us tremove anything. autry: according to blumer, the librarian talked openly about the vaccine mandate in her library science classes and explained why she was leaving her position instead of being vaccinated. after the story was published, the former school librarian said she did not consent to be the subject of an article.

>> we came to the conclusion that it was important to include her name and we weren't violating any sort of ethics. we never just like bulldozed past her. we wanted to include her side of the story, but she declined interview requests. autry: after they published the story, the pearl post staff turned to the student press law center for legal advice. lead legal counsel mike hieston confirmed the staff was on solid legal ground to leave her name in the story. >> this was one of those cases where everything just kind of lined up. and ultimately, the fact that this took place in california, you know, which has one of if not the strongest state law in the country, protecting student journalists. autry: school administrato then notified the journalism teacher, adriana chavira, that she would be suspended if the students did not comply with the request to remove the former librarian's name from the story. brumer stood by the story and reassured her staff that if the school administration followed through on its threat, it would be breaking the law. at the time, miranda, who wrote the story, felt a lot of pressure from both sides.

>> looking back, i'm glad i didn't take it down because now this is a chance for us to get our voice out and make it very clear that student journalists voices are important and they should not be censored. autry: chavira was suspended, but she appealed it and it was rescinded before it took effect, after her case received national media attention. a spokespersonor the los angeles unified school district declined our interview request but sent a statement saying the district supports journalism students while respecting the concerns of the school community. california is one of 16 states with state laws specifically aimed at protecting student journalists. >> i tried to be strong for them because eventually if i did, if i was suspended and, you know, i served my suspension and they came back, i could be fired.

and that's definitely not something i would want, but it's something i would have gone through to to make a stand and teach my students that, you know, they need to stand up for what they believe in. autry: lessons she hopes her student journalists will carry with them into the future. >> it's not going to keep students away from covering hard, controversial topics. they're not going to self-censor as well. i think they feel more empowered now than before. autry: -- >> so yeah, i think that that'll work. autry: for the pbs newshour, student reporting labs, i'm autry rozendal in burbank, california. judy: that is the newshour online and tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you, please stay safe, and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs

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