judy: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight, fighting inflation -- the federal reserve raises interest rates yet again in an effort to combat rising prices. then, high stakes -- congressional leaders hope to avoid a looming government shutdown with a newly unveiled budget deal. and ten years later -- newtown, connecticut, reflects on the mass shooting that killed dozens at an elementary school a decade ago. >> time is pretty warped really. i can't really reconcile the fact that it's been ten years since i held dylan, since i heard him laugh, since i took him to school. judy: althat and more on tonight's "pbs newshour."

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today's hike was half a percentage point, after e previous few increases of three quarters of a it came amid point, signs that inflation may be easing. but the fed also forecast more rate increases into 2023. >> architect, beekeeper, mentor. we'll take a closer the news summary. a violent winter storm hasow reached into the upper midwest and the deep south of the united states. this evening, a tornado was spotted in east new orleans. hours earlier, tornadoes killed a woman and her 8-year-old son elsewhere in louisiana. in the midwest, blizzard like conditions closed highways across parts of the plains states and dumped more than 2 feet of snow on homes. in peru, the new government declared a state of emergency today and suspended basic rights in an effort to quell violent protests. the measure will be in place for 30 days. unrest has rocked the andean

nation since the congress ousted president pedro castillo last week. at least 7 people have died in the clashes. ukraine says its air defenses blunted the latest russian drone attacks today, aimed at power and water sites. in kyiv, several buildings were damaged from wreckage when drones were shot down. and, some parked cars had their windows blown out. meanwhile, at the vatican, pope francis appealed for people to redirect their christmas spending. pope francis: let's make a more humble christmas, with more humble gifts, and let's send what we save to the people of ukraine who need it. there's a lot of suffering. they are hungry, they are cold, so many die for lack of doctors and nurses around. let's not forget them. stephanie: ukraine's president zelenskyy has offered -- called for russian troops to start withdrawing by christmas. today, moscow dismissed that idea. china's president xi jinping and

his ruling politburo kicked off an annual meeting today, focused on jump-starting the country's economy. prolonged covid lockdowns have taken a toll, and now, infections are surging as restrictions are eased. the meeting is being closely watched globally for any new economic stimulus. another big auto recall is in the works. general motors today recalled some 740,000 cadillac, chevrolet, buick and gmc cars and suvs in the u.s., all recent year models. their daytime running lights may not turn off when the headlights are on, and the glare could blind oncoming drivers. a federal grand jury in phoenix indicted an ohio man for making threats against an arizona election official. joshua russell is accused of leaving menacing voice males including death threats for katie hobbs, the current governor-elect. france is headed to soccer's world cup finals after beating morocco 2-0.

it sets up a championship match on sunday with argentina. also today, the widow of soccer journalist grant wahl said an autopsy shows he died of an aortic aneurysm, which caused his main artery to rupture. she said "there was nothing , nefarious about his death." and, the library of congress is out with this year's inductees athetol io n rfinatreglmis selected for their artistic cultural and historical , significance. jeffrey brown reports for our arts and culture series, canvas. reporter: to the romantic comedy "when harry met sally," the library of congress said -- >> i'll have what she's having. reporter: the 1989 film, written by nora ephron and directed by rob reiner, was cited as one of the seminal works of the rom-com genre. this year, it's enduring charm featuring billy crystal and meg ryan, earned it a place in the national film registry, where it will join 24 other familiar and lesser known works from film history. >one of the most recent, the 208

action blockbuster starring robert downey junior as the tech genius and superhero with the title name "iron man." >> i am iron man. reporter: directed by jon favreau, it was the first film that marvel studios independently produced. other pop culture films that left a mark, brian de palma's 1976 horror film adaptation of stephen king's "carrie." >> ♪ i don't know when ♪ reporter: disney's 1989 return to large scale animation with "the little mermaid." and an older classic, the first u.s. version of "cyrano de bergerac" from 1950. >> imagine. she has asked to see me! reporter: jose ferrer's performance clinched him an oscar for best actor, becoming the first hispanic actor to win. the picks span 124 years, going back to a 1898 documentary, "the mardi gras carnival," capturing a parade in new orleans. the silent film was long thought to be lost, and only recently

rediscovered. another groundbreaking documentary, "titicut follies," was noted for leading to social change. the 1967 frederick wiseman film exposed patient abuse at a massachusetts hospital for what were then called the criminally insane. social change of another kind is seen in films noted for spotlighting the lgbtq plus community, including the 1977 "word is out, stories of our lives." the newest 2011's "pariah," a , coming of age story written and directed by dee rees. >> i'm not running. i'm choosing. reporter: cited as "a key film in modern queer cinema." the library of congress has selected movies every year since 1988, with a total of 850 now in the registry. next year, 25 more films will hope to be part of that world.

for the pbs "newshour." i'm jeffrey brown. stephanie: still to come on the "newshour." house majority whip james clyburn discusses democrats' path forward as republicans come to power in congress. pakistan's foreign minister addresses his country's relations with the u.s. we examine the significance and impact of france's win and morocco's historic run at the world cup. announcer: this is the pbs "newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from e walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: after announcing another half-point he today, federal reserve chair jay powell indicated that more hikes are on the way in 2023, and likely, a prolonged period of higher rates. this comes as inflation shows signs of slowing gradually. buthere are again concerns the fed is not going to be able to tame inflation without triggering a recession. geoff bennett has the latest.

reporter: judy, today's rate hike is the seventh this year. altogether, the federal reserve has now raised interest rates from just above zero earlier this year, to just over 4% its , highest level in 15 years. ev though inflation has slowed, chairman jerome powell today explained why he believes more increases may be necessary next year. fed chair powell: the worst pain would come from a failure to raise rates high enough and us allowing inflation to become entrenched in the economy so that the ultimate cost of getting it out of the economy would be very high in terms of employment, meaning very high unemployment for extended periods of time. i wish there were a completely painless way to restore price stability. there isn't. this is the best we can do. reporter: we're joined now by mohamed el-erian, president of queen's college cambridge university and chief economic advisor at allianz.

it is great to have you here. >> thank you for having me. reporter: t fed rate projections show no cuts in 2023, which is a contrast from what/many expected ahead of today's announcement. what is your assessment of what you heard from the reserve chairman today? >> i think they realize they are late and have taken the peak rate up to 5.1% so they are telling us they can do another 75 basis points. what is most striking is when they met three months ago and provided us the projection, not a single fed official thought we would need to go above 5%. today, just three months later, 17 out of 19 believe we should go above 5%. it shows you they are playing catch-up. reporter: you say the fed is late in addressing inflation. you also said that the fed has

contributed to undo market volatility. house of? mohamed: -- how? mohamed: because it has been slow in characterizing inflation initially. the whole of last year, they told us it was transitory, don't worry, it will go away by itself, you could look through it. then in november they changed their minds, rightly so. they said it is not transitory but they did not move in any meaningful way. the market has had to adjust to that and has had quite a bit of volatility and asked -- the fed embarked on what now is the most frontloaded cycle for 40 years. this is meaningful because we don't know what the impact on the economy is. the rket right now is worried the fed will push us into recession. reporter: you used the r word, recession. are we looking at a short and shallow recession or something worse? mohamed: i hope we do not end up

in a recession. i'm not saying it will be 100% likely. it is probable but not certain. if we do full intuit, it is hard to assert it will be short and shallow. those who say it is, they are falling into the same trap as with transitory inflation. don't worry, it is short and shallow, we don't know. the major issue is to avoid going into recession. reporter:reporter: what should the fed do when inflation is so sticky at 7% ? mohamed: that's the problem. in a suboptimal world, there is no first rest. that is the cost of being late. it has no choice but to go further. unfortunately, there will be collateral damage.

i say this with a heavy heart because it was avoidable. reporter: many americans have in many ways become accustomed to paying higher prices in nearly every aspect of their lives, more in interests, credit cards. what is next? mohamed: mainly services. the big question is, will wages go up? if they do, it is a double-edged sword. on the one hand it is good because people protect purchasing power. on the other hand if companies pass on higher wages to high prices, you have a risk of a wage price cycle. the one thing we have to remember is that while we are all feeling inflation, it is hitting the poor particularly hard. this is not just an economic issue,t is a social issue and has unfortunately a l of negative consequences. reporter: indeed.

mohamed el-erian, president of queen's college cambridge university and chief economic advisor at allianz. thank you so much for being with us. mohamed: thank you. ♪ judy: lawmakers on capitol hill are working against the clock to figure out government funding bills and an assortment of other key measures before the end of the year. lisa desjardins brings us up to speed. we are just two days away from the government funding running out. where are we? lisa: part of the good news is that congress will punt its own deadline down the road, moving through congress right now cluding tonight in the house of representatives, is a bill to extend that deadline by another week.

that means we would have the biggest spending deadline of the year against christmas eve on december 23. now lawmakers have to get to work to finish funding by the. let's talk about the options, for one of the most important functions the congress goes under every year. one option they have is to pass what is called an omnibus. that is the traditional means of full-year funding, agency by agency, congress deciding what should go where. however, while there is an agreement in principle that was reached last night to the overall spending totals, there is an issue of timing, whether this several thousand page bill can be written and passed through both chambers in time, and there is a question of whether it can get the votes in both chambers. if it does not, what is the option? another temporary funding bill called a continuing resolution or acr. you might hear that language. senator mcconnell has said if there is not an omnibus through

congress next week, by the 22nd, there will have to be a cr until february. at is something a lot of people fear could do damage on its own. here is senator jon tester of montana. he explains why. >> compared to a cr, night and day. cr is storm oil -- is turmoil and uncertainty that does not move the country forward. with this funding bill, we are on a track to maintain the country's economic and defense posture. lisa: he mentioned defendants. there is agreement to raise the defense budget, in fact authorization bill would raise it 8%, but that won't happen if it is a cr or temporary bill. a lot of folks want an omnibus or a bigger bill to move. there are other people who say all the spending is way too much

, were heading to $1.7 trillion. i bring you to senator rand paul of kentucky, a republican, who could slow things down. here's what he said today. >> the democrats and big government republicans will be offering you a christmas tree. christmas tree in washington is a bill that has something on it for everyone. you won't know what is until you get it. . you want to be able to read until it is done, but it will happen because the only thing that invariably happens, is they will get together to spend money. lisa: i often called this a rainbow. a huge bill appears out of nowhere. we do expect the omnibus to appear as a rainbow. but will we have enough time if senators like rand paul slow it down? judy: i have the image in my head of a rainbow. but we know these are not the only issues hanging in the balance. what else is at stake right now? lisa: let me hit a couple of

them. first, the electoral count act. the antiquated law that came into prominence on january 6. as you recall, there was a theory that vice president pence could himself block the certification of the presidential vote. that led directly to the insurrection, because of that loophole or some say confusion in the law. there is a move to clear it up and close any kind otheory that the certifition can be stopped as part of that function. another big item, funding for ukraine in its 10th month. the war needs more funding from the united states, says ukraine, and there is $37 billion ukraine is waiting for that is tied up in all of this. judy: and finally thanks to the election results, we are days away from republicans taking over control of the house. where does the battle for their

leadership stand? lisa: it's messy. i think we need to talk about particulars here in regards to kevin mccarthy. i want viewers to understand something called the motion to vacate. kevin mccarthy is short of the number of votes he needs from republicans to become speaker of the house. the motion to vacate the chair is a motion to remove the speaker of the house itself. some of the holdout votes who stand in the way of mr. mccarthy becoming speaker of the house are demanding that it be easier for them to bring up that motion if they are unhappy with him later down the road. this exact motion was a factor in the resignation of john boehner. it was not actually voted on but the threat of it being raised was enough for him to leave. essentially think of it as a motion of disapproval, something that could undermine the speaker. right now it takes a majority of all republicans to do this the

thing like some in the freedom caucus who don't like mr. mccarthy. they want it to be easier and want to hold that threat over him. asked him about this today. he said he wants to keep it the same. the question is will he be able to do that? i spoke to a longtime republican member of congress who does not talk to many reporters, and who is a mccarthy ally, but who told me in confidence right now it is not looking good right now. it is looking like january and it will be messy and they are not sure how it will resolve. judy: i know you are watching that and so is everyone else. thank u very much. ♪ judy: on this day 10 years ago, a mass shooting forever changed the small town of newtown, connecticut. 20 students and six educators

were killed at sandy hook elementary school. it was one of the worst mass shootings in u.s. history. william brangham spoke with one of the parents who lost a child that day. william: just steps away from the rebuilt sandy hook elementary school sits a new memorial site, and etched into the ring of granite, are twenty six names of those massacred that day. one of them is dylan hockley, a six year old first grader. in the decade since his murder, his mother, nicole hockley along with other sandy hook families have channeled their , grief into action. hockley co-founded the organization sandy hook promise, it's a nonprofit that works to prevent further tragedies by helping students identify and report the warning signs of someone who is planning violence. i spoke with hockley yesterday, just ahead of this anniversary. 10 years ago, what was probably

the worst day of your entire life happens, and your whole family has to deal with that blow and suffer through that trauma and that grief. here we are almost 10 years later. how does that grief sit with you today? is it ever-present? does it wax and wane? what is that like for you, today? >> the grief is absolutely ever present. and i think about dylan every single day, but it's kifnd ca alis s and at times if a certain memory comes up or a certain smell or another tragedy occurs, it's like that scab is ripped off and my heart is broken and bleeding all over again. and as time goes by, the amount of time that scab stays on is longer. but it's still ever present. and part of my daily life. william: so that wound hasn't

healed in any way that we would recognize as fully healed? >> no. and i don't i don't expect it to ever fully heal. you know, i'm a mom whose son was murdered in his first grade classroom. that's not something that you move on from. it's just something that you live with every day and find a way to keep moving forward. william: when tragedies like this occur, obviously the person is taken away from you, but that person is frozen in time. dylan will always be a six-year-old boy. yet time marches on, you get older, your son jake gets older. yet dylan is always just that little boy. >> i can only really speak for me and my experience. even my surviving son is forging a different path and different experience and is processing things differently. but time is pretty warped really.

like i can't really reconcile the fact that it's been 10 years since i held dylan, since i heard him laugh, since i took him to school. and yet, you know, jake, my surviving son, is now 18. you know, he was at the school that day. he was in third grade. he's now a freshman in college. he's taller than me. and i also see, you know, other kids that, you know, dylan is forever six. and i see other kids in his grade who are now 16, who are now, you know, in high school and starting to think about college. and they're taller than me and they're more they're mature. and yet dylan is forever my six year old boy. he is frozen in time. and that life is very much frozen in time as well. william: we are approaching this anniversary, this 10 year event where the rest of the country again tries, in its own way, to commemorate and remember what happened.

i know there is that conversation going on in your community at newtown, just how much this event resonates, how it defines or redefines your community. when you are out in the town of newtown, how does that feel? do you feel it is always an ever present part of the community? >> i think for some people, it is always an ever present part. newtown is not defined by the tragedy, but you can't go out to the rest of the country and say you are from newtown or sandy hook without someone making a remark and wanting to share their experience. often you hear people talk about i remember where i was when i heard the news. it has become a moment in our american history. for many residents of newtown, it is ever present. however, the people that i talk to and that i know also want to be remembered as a place that created change.

william: your organization sandy hook promise runs training to help train people to identify who out there might be troubled and to teach people how to intervene. can you tell us a little more about that work? >> share. it is absolutely critical to recognize warning signs when someone might be going into crisis or needs help, is at risk of hurting themselves or hurti someone else, and then take action to intervene. the reason we focus on programs in schools is because a lot of these at risk behaviors, especially that manifest in the teenage years and early 20's, a lot of this is on social media. kids are able to see and hear things that the adults are not able to. they are communicating on different channels from adults. that's why we teach kids, how do you recognize when your friend needs help?how do you recognize a subtle or overt threat on social media?

how do you take action to get that information to a trust or develop -- trusted adult so that intervention can be made. william: may i ask about your other son jake, who survived that shooting that terrible day, and he has grown up in a world that not only did he have to deal with the loss of his brother, but also sees on the news mass shootings constantly. i wonder, what is your sense of what that does to him and how he sees the world and how he's processing that. >> it's interesting. jake is kind of a silent processor. they say still waters run deep and i think that is very much the case with jake. he is so aware and has huge empathy and compassion, yet he has decided not to use his voice yet. he really wants to define himself and his own path.

it is hard to know sometimes what is typical teenage boy and what is grief. so we talk about that a lot. i'm so proud of the young man that he is and the person that he continues to become. and i don't know, i think sometimes he's seen the worst that the world can give you. and he's experienced and lived that. and he has also seen that you can survive that and create your own destiny. william: we are talking with you before the anniversary, this 10 year anniversary. i know that on the day, you say you go silent. i wonder, can you share a little bit about what it is you do on the anniversary? >> i will wake up as i always do and kissed dylan's urn, tell him i love him and miss him. i often go to his playground and

have quiet time there. i usually leave a memento at the playground, sometimes little last stones, or stuffed animals that i leave on the bench for another child. there is usually something i leave which is one of my rituals. then i usually go to a beach and i ll walk the shores for several hours. it is a way for me to ground myself and be in nature. it helps me from my grief overwhelmingly to be nearer to nature and know that there's something significantly larger than me and my grief. william: sounds like a beautiful way to remember, and to keep living. nicole hockley, so good to talk to you. thank you so much for talking with us. >> thank you for the opportunity. ♪

judy: the select subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis wrapped up two years of its work today with a vote to adopt several recommendations aimed at improving management of future pandemics. for more on that and lawmakers' year-end priorities, i spoke a short time ago with third ranking democrat in the house , majority whip james clyburn of south carolina. congressman clyburn, thank you for joining us. remind us what the mission of this select subcommittee was and what are your main findings about the early way the early management of this crisis? >> remember covid-19 visited our shores back in 2020. when our nation began to respond, the response was

inadequate for many reasons. we were not prepared for this pandemic. in the process of getting prepared, congress went to work appropriating moneys to do things that needed to be done to keep businesses open, to keep schools open, trying to get people vaccinated. but first you had to get them tested. and so we were really behind the eight ball and rushed a lot of money out there to do that. in the midst of all of that, speaker nancy pelosi decided there needed to be some oversight of all of this. so she created this subcommittee. we went to work and we adopted three words as the watchwords. efficiency, whether or not this

money wabeing spent efficiently. whether or not it is being spent effectively. whether or not it is being spent equitably. this committee was created without a single republican vote . but our job was to oversee the spending of the money and i think we did a pretty good job. judy: and republicans, as you know, are saying the committee should have also focused on the biden administration, because of course the pandemic has continued right through the first couple of years of this administration. what about that? rep. clyburn: we did focus on

the biden administration, and we commended the biden administration for cleaning up the misinformation that was left over from the former administration. we remember what happened back esident trump decided it would all be over in a week or two. started saying two or three people from china. it started coming up with all kinds of cures that did not exist, and denying the science. then our investigation determined that there were a lot of people in this administratio that were overruling the activities of the scientists, putting their politics above the betterment of the peop. that is part of what we were doing. if you look at the rescue act, which was signed by president biden, within six weeks, have taken office -- of taking

office, and the rescue act got shots in people's arms, got schools reopened, got people back to work. we still are trying toecover and we are doing a much better job because we let the scientists do their work. judy: and republicans are now saying when they take over the majority in january that they will do their own investigation of the way the biden administration handled this pandemic. how concerned are you about that? rep. clyburn: not at all. not at all. we did look into the biden administration. once again, throughout all of this, even today, in trying to issue our report, they are still harkening back to china. and what relationships may have been between this country and

china. that was not our job. our job was to look at the money that's going out, whether or not it is being used efficiently, effectively and equitably. we saw instance after instance. judy: several other things i want to ask you about, with the change in the majority in january, incoming democrats have voted on their leadership in the next congress. you are the only one of the senior members of the democratic caucus who is staying on. speaker pelosi and others have stepped down. why did you decide that you should stay on? rep. clyburn: many reasons. the congressional black caucus was very clear to me that the south needed to be at the table on the on the southern at the table. i would remind people that i'm the only one in leadership that was ever denied by law to even get to congress in the first place.

i was 52 years old before the voting rights act was kicked into place to allow me to go. at 52 years old, i'm very pleased things have worked in such a way. and now at the age of 52, hakeem jeffries is becoming a leader of the party. a lot of us paid significant sacrifices to get to this point, i among them. so i said to people who keep mentioning that issue, i didn't get to the leadership table at the same time that they did, so why should i be expected to leave? judy: why do you think the south is less represented in the democratic party or less represented in democratic leadership? rep. clyburn: because we've allowed these laws to exist. my parents, i remember, my

parents voted for the first time. i remember that. because the laws did not allow them to vote. we all know what has been the law of the land. in south carolina where i live, when i was growing up, african-americans were the majority of the state, but zero in elected office. why? because we allowed these laws to exist. some of e things we are seeing now, these new laws coming off the books now, the voting rights act, has been undercut by this supreme court. judy: i do want to ask about the presidential primary calendar. president biden has recommended south carolina go first, that iowa be taken out of the early running and it would be south carolina, nevada, georgia, michigan. we're hearing now from not just republicans but from democrats who are saying democrats may be

making a mistake by cutting out estate like iowa. yes it is primarily white, it's also rural, at a time when democrats need to connect with rural americans in the heart of the country. rep. clyburn: i would say to that, south carolina is rural. more than half of my congressional district is rural. more than half of african-americans who live in this country live in the south. so what reflects the democratic party more?/ south carolina or iowa? new hampshire or georgia? , now -- come on now. judy: representative james clyburn, the democratic whip in the house of representatives. thank you very much. rep. clyburn: thank you. ♪

judy: it has been a year of potical tumult and natural disasters in pakistan. and to the west, there is another humanitarian crisis in neighboring afghanistan. it's a full slate of urgent issues for pakistan's foreign minister, bilawal bhutto zardari. a short time ago, amna nawaz spoke with him, and asked for ghthhin tsouof o and the united states. >> i absolutely believe we are now heading in a positive direction with increased engagement on both sides. and i think it's all the more important in a world that offers a multitude of challenges for us to find areas in which we do agree on to work together. and we are doing that on climate we're doing that on health. , we're finding business and economic opportunities, particularly for women. so there's a whole host of areas in which pakistan and the u.s.

are cooperating. i think this is all a healthy sign given in the past, our cooperation was very narrow and specific within the context of the war on terror. we're now building more broad based partnership. amna: your nation has just announced you'll pursue a discounted oil deal with russia. you've also strengthened your ties with china. can you ally with the u.s. and still do business with their geopolitical foes? >> as far as pakistan's relationship with china is concerned, china is our neighbor. we have a long history with them and we have a lot of cooperation, particularly on the economic front. but we also have a historical relationship with the united states that stretches back to the 1950s. and we've partnered over the course of history. and i believe whenever the united states and pakistan have worked together, we've achieved great things. and whenever there's been a distance developed between us, then, then we faltered. so i do think it's absolutely possible for the pakistanis to

-- for pakistan to engage with both china and the u.s. as far as far as russia is concerned, we aren't pursuing or receiving any energy discounted, but we are facing -- we have difficult economic situations and energy insecurity, and we are exploring various avenues to expand are areas where we can get our energy from. any energy that we receiv from russia will take a long time to develop. amna: i would like to ask about the political landscape in pakistan. as you well know, the former prime minister imran khan, was ousted in a no confidence vote earlier this year. he has led thousands of supporters on a march calling for early elections. he is very popular right now. in october, he won six out of seven national assembly seats that he contested in by elections. if you were to hold early elections, would he win? >> absolutely right, we did

remove him through a no-confidence motion, which is a cornerstone in pakistan's democratic development. every other prime minister before mr. khan was either removed through a military coup or the orders of a supreme court. this is the first time through a democratic constitutional procedure a prime minister was removed from parliament. as far as the by elections are concerned mr. khan resigned from , seats that he held himself. i believe there is a forced perception being created by his popularity through social media and falsely portraying winning by elections in his own seats as some sort of testament to his popularity across pakistan. amna: i hear you saying you will not be calling for early elections. is that correct? >> no, absolutely. pakistan's democratic achievement over the last decade is we have had one parliament after the other complete a

five-year term. we have a government from 20 -- 2007 22013. that peacefully transferred to the next. that parliament completed its term and transferred to this parliament. i don't think it is a justifiable reason for pakistan to break that precedent just because mr. khan had remained prime minister for the last six months. amna: you called for the world to engage with the taliban leadership and allow women in leadership, to let girls back into school in afghanistan but as you've seen, they havdone the opposite. they rolled back those rights. girls have been out of school for ov 450 days. so what can you, in your role do to pressure them to allow women to have equal freedom and allow girls back into school? >> so let me unpack that. as far as advocating for the world to engage with afghanistan. that's absolutely correct, is something that i have been insisting on, because i believe we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past.

the last time in afghanistan post the cold war and she had etc., the world up and left, leaving us with more problems and resulted in having to go back all over again. so we have insisted that pakistan and the international community must engage with afghanistan. as far as women's rights are concerned and women's education is concerned, at least in pakistan, we believe that women have a right to education and the right to equal space in society at all levels. we're proud of the fact that pakistan elected the first muslim female prime minister. these are these are examples for us. in the afghanistan context, obviously, we encourage them to do the same for afghan girls. and this is a commitment that they have made with the international community, with their own people and with everybody else. so we do hope that they do live up to their own commitment. i would also like to note,

however, that they have been in power nofor maybe a little bit over a year. one year isn't a very long time for them to be able to deliver. it is a long time, however, for girls to go without an education. so that is why we continue to raise it with them. we encouraged the fact that primary education for girls is allowed in afghanistan, tertiary education for girls is allowed to live on a spot. and we look forward to the day where secondary education will also be allowed. amna: i have to ask while i have you mr. minister, you do come , from a storied political dynasty in pakistan. your grandfather, of course, zulfikar ali bhutto, was prime minister, was executed in 1979 under a military dictatorship. your mother, as you mentioned, benazir bhut, was the first woman to lead the nation and was assassinated campaigning for reelection. your critics say that politics shouldn't be a family affair, though. and i wonder what you would say to that. >> i would agreenobeyit pshicold

. i perhaps more than anyone wish it wasn't. in the last 55 years of my party's existence, we've gone through three generations of leadership. this should still be the fst generation of my family doing politics, let alone the second already being lost and me having to step up and fill the role that i am fulfilling to date. but my party has in the past and does today a pursuit of democracy, advocate for democracy in pakistan, and leave it to the people to decide who they wish to elect and be their representation. amna: that is the foreign minister of pakistan bilawal , bhutto. zardari, joining us tonight. thank you for your time, mr. minister. >> thank you for having me. judy: after an impressive run, morocco's journey to the world cup championship came to a close today after its match against france, a country that shares a complicated history with the

north african nation. john yang has more on the cinderella story of the first african and arab team to advance to the semifinals. reporter: judy, france scored early and heldff pressure from moroo to win 2-0. that sends france to sunday's championship game and ends morocco's historic world cup run. shireen ahmed is a sports journalist who is a senior contributor to e cbc sports. france no boys -- going to the finals tries to become the first repeat winner of the world cup since brazil in 1962. why is it so unusual to have back to back world cup champions? >> we could start talking about superstition, and very often those that have won the championship crash out in the group stages. i think that friends is trying to avoid that superstition and just go forward and play with how they're feeling. they have an incredibly passionate team. they have seasoned players who

have returning players like she one of the oldest players at the tournament, and you have young superstars like mbappe. so there is quite a mix but and very storied careers alrdy. i think they're ready to go again and they're not ready to let up or give up their dream for another championship. reporter: on the argentinian side of course, you're talking about storied careers. the story is lionel messi, who has won just about everything but the world cup. >> yeah, i can't lie and say that i don't want this for massi -- messi. in this juncture, i feel incredibly torn because at the same time, is that you know, i really would love to see france win. there's such interesting and rich discussion about their team that make up the diaspora. but argentina having messi and him having played with players like alvarez, who adored him as a child, watched messi grow up . because ssi is also in his 30s and probably definitely his last

world cup. so do i want this for him? yes, i consider messi to be like the kitten of global football. who love him. how can you not love him? he's wonderful. he's got no drama surrounding him. he takes photos with children and his sons in the backyard and he's lovely in a very banal way despite his majesty on the pitch. he's incredibly gifted, but he's also a human. he's a dad. he's a husband, and he is a footballer, and we'd love to see it. reporter: morocco is not going to the finals, but they did make history today. they were the first african, the arab team to make it to the first semifinals. that talk about the significance of that feat. >> i was very lucky to be in qatar for morocco playing canada , and i can tell you, john, i've loved football for decades. i have never seen such exuberant fans, even to the point of

usually -- mexican fans are the most emphatic. i've never seen fans like this before. it was a treat to be there. it wasn't even the you know, adapted vuvuzelas or the whistling or the cheering or the flag waving. it was the heart. morocco went out and left you know their heart and everything they had on the pitch, but their fans and their communities and their milies were holding them and we haven't seen that. we like to think that we know a lot about football but what morocco showed us particularly was how community is really important. family is really important and not just, you know, like dancing with your mama on the pitch, just how would they were inviting everyone to witness this joy, rticularly when this is such a masculine sport, and just to show how important their mental health and emotional health was. i think that leads into greater conversation and one that's really important.

they will be dearly missed in the final. i would have loved to see them in the final, but they are playing for third place as well. let's not forget they'll face croatia and you know, look at incredible players on that team as well. that's not going to be an easy match. but i think they've earned a lot of respect. this part of the world north , africa is often dismissed. and a lot of people don't know that the women's team in morocco is qualified for the first women's world cup so football is certainly growing there. and very often we dismiss certain places in the world but we truly have seen that this is the world's game. the beautiful game ithe people's game. reporter: you talk about how the moroccan fans really took over the stands at the world cup. talk about how this sort of displayed the nuanced history and heritage of morocco. >> it iquite complicated. that is one of the things i think people in different parts of the world need to understand. we like to compartmentalize. this is an african nation.

it is definitely in north africa, but the reality is, it is a nation comprised of many people. there are afro arabs there, there are arabs, they have particular tribes who have historically been nomadic. it is far more complex and layered and beautiful at the same time. but there are still discussions about how arab communities in the rest of the world have embraced morocco as their own. but then there's other folks that struggle with that because there is other issues of anti-black racism within that country as well. so these are all fruitful discussions, and it's not simple. what we do know is people found a love and a joy in something they can relate to and they found it at the feet of the moroccan players. and that's really important moving forward. i think there's some, you know, incredible writers out there,

a north african football journalist writes about them. i think this is the other point, john, that's really important that we centralize our coverage. i think it's important to read about teams, from journalist who know a lot historically and sociologically about those places. and that's one thing that i'm definitely taking away from this men's world cup. reporter: shireen ahmed, senior contributor to cbc sports thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. judy: great conversation. and that is the "newshour" for tonight. i'm judy woouff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs "newshour" thank you, please stay safe and we will see you soon. announcer: major funding for the pbs "newshour" has been provided by -- >> for 25 years, consumer cellular school has been to provide wireless service that helps people communicate and connect. we offer a variety of no contract plans and our u.s.-based customer service team can help one that fits you. to learn more, visit consumercellular.tv.

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