♪ geoff: good evening. i'm geoff bennett. amna nawaz is away. on the "newshour" tonight. the latest jobs report shows another month of strong employment growth but many americans are still choosing the gig economy over permanent jobs. new revelations about payments made to justice clarence thoma'' wife raise more ethical questions about the supreme court. and the so-called "godfather of ai" speaks out about the dangers rapidly developing technologies pose to our society. >> i think it's an area in which we can actually have international collaboration because the machines taking over is a threat for everybody. ♪

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public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. geoff: good evening and welcome to the newshour. the u.s. labor market is again showing its resileience amid other economic obstacles, including recent banking failures. the latest report found job growth was higher than expected last month, with 253,000 new jobs spread throughout many sectors of the economy. the unemployment rate dipped to 3.4%, matching the lowest rates since 1969. paul solman looks at the newest data and how robust growth squares with the expansion of the gig economy. >> that 253,000 jobs created is really, really solid. paul: in fact, economists like nela richardson say, the latest jobs data came in strong, despite a downward revision of jobs created in the previous two month. >> more people came into the labor market and so that helped boost supply and was met by

strong hiring demand from companies. good solid job gains matched , with moderating wage growth. that's good news for the economy and for inflation. paul: not particularly good news for workers concerned their wage , growth isn't keeping pace with inflation. >> as inflation has come down, the wage growth we're seeing has at least edged out inflation over the last couple of months, but you are absolutely right. so the issue is how do you get wage growth to not to decelerate more quickly than inflation comes down? paul: the logic -- modest wage growth lowers what companies can charge and expectations of future inflation, which eventually, the fed and the rest of us hope, drives inflation below wage growth. but a question -- with unemployment so low, how come the gig workforce remains so high? economist katharine abraham. >> a lot of people who talk

about the gig economy are really thinking about just platform work, uber, lyft. paul: just a few million americans. >> but it's actually much bigger then that. there are many more people, maybe on the order of as many as 14% 15% of the workforce who are , working as self-employed, independent contractors, doing a whole variety of things. paul: that would be more than 20 million of us. and talk about a variety of things. >> i grow and sell medicinal herbs and flowers. paul: and that's not 38-year old lindsay ferguson's sole side hustle. >> i perform in the bay area with various dance troupees. i perform burlesque. i'm getting into drag performance, and i take photos of myself. i'm a model and i sell those shots online for money. >> pretty much anything you can do in the regular economy, you can do in the gig economy. paul: kathy kristof runs

sidehusl.com, which hooks up freelancers with gigs. >> you could make money playing games. there's a website that will allow you to take in other people's laundry. almost any service you can provide, there's an online platform that will help you market that service. paul: and supplement income from your regular job, assuming you have one. >> all of the full-time work that i do and the side hustles that i do does not keep up with the rate of inflation, which is why i need to supplement my full time money with the various gigs that i do. paul: spencer cohen is a gig puppeteer. >> i work full time for a nonprofit agency right outside of new york city. and on the side, i'm a freelance puppeteer. paul: and that's why your arm is fuzzy there? >> yeah, i've got one of my puppets right here. hi, there. my name is gary j. platypus. paul: nice to meet you. cohen is among the few who makes enough at his day job. his side hustle is for fun. but

why do millions of workers continue to rely on gig work exclusively with all the job signs out there? flexibility, says food delivery driver shirley cox. >> i don't have a 9-to-5. i can work at 1:00 a.m. if i need to or i can do extra hours on the weekends. those are the advantages. paul: but, says cox. >> the market has gotten very saturated. you have to work more hours than i did initially to make the amount i did before. paul: in fact, cox has cut back on her hours. why? >> i'm in the process of looking for work. and so that takes up a lot of time. job hunting is a job in itself. paul: cox's search fits with the most recent data anna zhou at bank of america has seen. >> a decline in terms of people doing gigs over the last 12 months. paul: what is going on? >> they might be rotating into more traditional jobs.

so think about, they might be working in a clothing store in a mall now instead of driving deliveries, right? paul: but there are still plenty gig workers out there says economist paul oyer, an authority on the subject. >> there are long term trends in the gig economy, and those continue to be the same as they've been for a long time. and that is slow and steady growth as more workers want flexibility and as more firms want flexibility too. paul: which is how nela richardson sums up the gig economy. >> it allows people to add on to employment if they need the money to make that employment flexible. and so there is right now a symbiotic relationship between what companies need right now and what gig workers are able to provide. paul: that, and the need of so many americans for side hustles in a high inflation economy. like lindsay ferguson. >> at the end of the month, i lose my full time job, which is rent money, but also my health insurance, which is why i'm doing everything i can to schedule my dental cleanings and my blood panels while i still have coverage.

because come the end of the month, i lose my full time job. paul: and finds herself back, like about a third of all gig workers, with side hustles as the only income she's got. for the pbs newshour, paul solman. ♪ geoff: in the day's other headlines, the world health organization declared an end to covid-19 as a glal emergency. it marked a symbolic intoan era. officially, covert's plan for 7 million deaths worldwide, including more than one million in the u.s. the actual toll is expected to be 20 million with thousands more dying every week. in geneva, the who's director general noted most countries looked at restrictions but he warned against complacency. >> the worst thing any country could do now is to use this news as a reason to let down its

guard, to dismantle the systems it has built, or to send the message to its people that covid-19 is nothing to worry about. geoff: in the u.s., the public health emergency for covid is set to expire next thursday. meantime, dr. rochelle walensky is stepping down as director of the u.s. centers for disease control after two years. in a letter to president biden today, she indicated it's a good time to go, as the covid pandemic wanes. walensky's last day at the cdc will be june 30. the head of russia's "wagner group" mercenaries threatened today to pull out of bakhmut, in eastern ukraine. he said they'd been starved of ammunition. the wachter group has poured men -- the wagner group has poured men and arms into the frontline city for months making it the war's bloodiest battle. in a video message, yevgeny prigozhin charged russia's military had failed to help seize the city by next week's holiday marking victory in world war ii. >> we were going to capture bakhmut by may 9. but the

pseudo-military bureaucrats stopped the supply of ammunitions and prevent us from doing this. they are sitting there, shaking their fat bellies and thinking that they will make it into history as winners, when they have already made it as cowards. geoff: it's unclear if prigozhin will make good on this threat. he has long made fiery accusations against russia's military that he often retracts. the people of serbia were plunged deeper into mourning today after the nation's second mass shooting in two days. a gunman killed eight people and wounded 14 others in two villages late thursday, in apparently random attacks. police arrested the suspect in a village south of belgrade today, after an all-night manhunt. serbia's president condemned the attack, in a nationwide address. >> this new, mass, criminal attack, after an attack on our children, targeted randomly anyone who happened to be outside a hunter's hut, around a camp fire, or outside their

gate, going about their own business. this is an attack on our whole country, and each citizen feels it. geoff: a day earlier, a teenage gunman had killed eight students and a guard at a belgrade school. flash floods in a province in eastern congo have claimed the lives of at least 176 people. torrential rains this week sent rivers into two villages in the central african nation, destroying buildings and triggering landslides. the rain also caused flooding in neighboring rwanda that killed 130 people. the two warring sides in sudan sent envoys to saudi arabia today for talks on trying to enforce a cease-fire. that word came as fierce fighting continued without let up, all across khartoum. the capital city has been ravaged by three weeks of intense combat. the talks between sudan's army and paramilitary rebels will take place in the saudi city of jeddah. back in this country, the supreme court has temporarily blocked oklahoma from executing a death row inmate.

richard glossip was involved in a murder-for-hire plot back in 1997, and scheduled to be put to death on may 18. the state's attorney general had called for his life to be spared, arguing that he didn't receive a fair trial. the high court has now put his execution on hold while it reviews the case. wall street rallied as bank stocks recovered some and apple's earnings beat expectations. it's the single most valuable stock on the market. the dow jones industrial average gained 546 points, 1.6%, to close at 33,674. the nasdaq rose 2.25%. the s&p 500 was up 1.8%. a new orleans teenager is heading for cornell university, after receiving a record $10 million in scholarship offers. dennis barnes announced his choice today and said he'll study computer science. he is 16 years old and is graduating from high school two years early. barnes applied to nearly 200 schools and had scholarship offers from 149 of them.

congratulations to him. still to come on the newshour, idaho criminalizes helping minors travel out-of-state to get an abortion. brits express mixed feelings ahead of the coronation of king charles. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and from the west of the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. geoff: for the fourth time in a month, a news report is racing ethic questions about supreme court justice clarence thomas and his financial dealings with rich friends. >> this time it is about money going to thomas' wife at the direction of the man whose work has been devoted to getting more conservative federal judges. according to the washington post, in 2012, leo told a

republican poster that he wanted to give thomas his wife another $25,000 and the money should be billed to a nonprofit group that leo advised and there should be no mention of thomas' wife. why would leonard leo, who is best known as the head of the federalist society, why would he be in touch with kellyanne conway about sending her money? >> that is a great question. the documents we reviewed do not really answer that question. he is arranging these payments. he is seeking to keep ginni thomas' name off the paperwork. we do not know why he is doing this. >> ginni thomas is a

conservative activist and also a consultant. >> she has a long career in politics. in 2009, she established a nonprofit to try to harness the power of the tea party movement. she stepped away amid conflict of interest questions. she founded a for-ofit consulting firm and that is the firm that has paid her for many years, according to clarence thomas' disclosure forms but that is all we really know. he does not need to disclose how much money she makes through her consulting firm or who her clients are. >> you spoke to ethics experts. what did they have to say? >> the source of the money paid to ginni thomas according to the arrangement as laid out by leonard leo, filed its first brief before the supreme court in 2012.

that is the same year as these payments. in that brief, it was in shelby v. holder, the landmark voting rights case in which the court struck down a provision that was meant to protect minority voters, thomas agreed with the outcome but said i would have gone further and struck down a broader provisiowhich was the same position taken by judicial education project. it is not as if our reporting shows clarence thomas was swayed in some way by this organization that was apparently had been asked to pay his wife, but the standard for recusal is not showing someone was swayed. it is showing there was a reasonable basis to question the impartiaty of the justice. we spoke to ethics experts who were divided on the question of whether this was a close enough connection with the payments to his wife that i should've required history crusoe.

-- required his recusal. >> we got a comment from leonard leo. the work she did hear that not involve anything connected with either the court's business or other legal issues. knowing how disrespectful, malicious people can be, i have tried to protect the privacy of justice thomas and ginni. when you take everything we have learned about clarence thomas in the past month, the luxury vacations with harlan crow, crow buying thomas' mother's house, paying the private school tuition of his grandnephew and now this payment to his wife, what is the significance of all of this? why should people be concerned? >> we are in a moment of great scrutiny on the court and on potential conflicts of interest.

the reason that matters is because if people do not have confidence that the justices are acting on the basis of law rather than some other influence, the court cannot function and our nation depends on people trusting the court in order for a republic to function in the way it is supposed to. >> emma brown of the washington post, thank you very much. >> thank you. ♪ geoff: this has been a week were concerns over the rapidly expanding use of artificial intelligence resonated loudly in washington and around the world. vice president kamala harris met with top executives from companies leading in ai development, microsoft, google. the vice president discussed some of the growing risks and told companies they had a moral obligation to develop ai safely.

that meeting came just days after my the leading voices in the field of ai announced he was quitting google over his worries over the future of ai and what he could eventually lead to, unchecked. we would her about some of those concerns now with dr. jeffrey hinton, which jointly from london. thank you for joining us. were you free to express about artificial intelligence that you could not express freely when you were employed by google? >> it was not that i could not express it freely when employed by google but inevitably, if you work for a company you tend to self censor. you think about the impact it will have on the company. i want to be able to talk about what i now perceive of the risks of super intelligent ai without having to think about the impact on google. geoff: what are those risks? >> there are quite a few different risks. there is the risk of producing a lot of fake news so you do not know what is true anymore.

there is the risk of encouraging polarization by getting people to click on things. there is the risk of putting people out of work. it should be would we make things more productive, greatly increase productivity, it helps everyone. there is the were it might just help the rich. there is the risk i want to talk about. many other people talk about the other risks, including bias and discrimination. i want to talk about a different risk, the risk of super intelligent ai taking over control from people. geoff: how do the two compared -- human intelligence and machine intelligence? >> that is a very good question and i have quite a long answer. biological intelligence uses very little power. we only use 30 watts. we have huge numbers of connections, like 100 trillion between neurons.

learning can change the strength of the connections. digital intelligence we have created uses a lot of power when you are training it. it has far fewer connections, only 1 trillion but i can learn much, much more than any one person which suggests that it is a better learning algorithm than the brain. geoff: what would smarter than human ai systems do? what is the concern that you have? >> the question is -- what will motivate them? they could easily manipulate us if they wanted to. imagine yourself and a two-year-old child. you could ask if you want the peas or the cauliflower and the child does not realize it does not have to have either. we know for example that you can invade a building in washington without ever going there yourself by manipulative people. imagine someone who is much better than manipulate people than our current politicians. geoff: why would ai want to do that?

would that not require some form of sentence? >> let's not get confused about that issue. i do not want to confuse the issue. let me give you one example white but want to do that. suppose you are getting ai to do something. you give it a goal. you give it the ability to create sub goals. you create a sub goal of getting a taxi. one thing you will notice quickly is there is a sub goal, you can achieve it to make it easier to achieve the other goals. the subgoals make it easier to get more control and get more power. the more power you have, the easier it is to get things done. we give a perfectly reasonable goal, it decides in order to do that i will give myself normal power. because it is much smarter than us and trained from everything

people ever did, it has read every novel, it knows a lot about how to mend appealing people. there is the worry it might start manipulating us into giving more power. we might not have a clue what is going on. geoff: when you were at the forefront of this technology decades ago, what did you think it by due? what were the applications you had in mind? >> there are a huge number of good applications and that would be a mistake to stop developing. it will be useful in medicine. would you rather see a family doctor that has seen a few thousand patients or a doctor that has seen a few million patients, including many with the same rare disease you have? you could make better nanotechnology for solar panels. you can predict floods and earthquakes. you can do tremendous good with this. geoff: is the problem then the technology or is the problem the people behind it? >> it is a combination of.

obviously, many of the organizations developing this our defense departments. defense departments do not necessarily want to build in "be nice to people" as the first rule. some defense department would like to build in "kill people of a particular kind." we cannot expect them to have good intentions toward all people. geoff: there is the question about what to do to it. the technology is advancing faster than societies can keep pace with. the capabilities of this technology, they leap forward every few months. when it is required to write legislation, pass legislation, that takes years. >> i have gone public to try to encourage a much more -- many more creative scientists to get into this area. i think it is an area in which we can actually have international collaboration.

the machines taking over as a threat for everybody. it is a threat for the chinese, americans and europeans. just like a global nuclear war. for a global nuclear war, people did collaborate to reduce the chances of it. geoff: there are other experts in the field of ai who said the concerns you are raising, this dystopian future, that it distracts from the very real and immediate risks posed by artificial intelligence, some of them you mentioned -- disinformation, fraud. >> i do not want to distract from those. they are very important concerns and we should be working on those, too. i just want to add this other existential threat of it taking over. one reason i want to do that is because that is an area in which i think we can get international collaboration. geoff: is there any turning back? you say there is a time that ai is more intelligence than us. is there any coming back from

that? >> i do not know. we are entering a time of great uncertainty. we are dealing with things we have never dealt with before. it is this aliens have landed but we did not take it in. geoff: how should we think differently about artificial intelligence? >> we should realize that we are probably going to get things more intelligent than us quite soon and thewill be wonderful. they will be able to do all sorts of things very easily that we find difficult. this huge positive potential. but of course there is also huge negative possibilities. i think we should put more resources into developing ai to make it more powerful and figuring out how to keep it under control and minimizing bad side effects. geoff: thank you so much for your time and sharing your insights with us. >> thank you for inviting me. ♪

geoff: with abortion never effectively banned in 15 states across the country, many americans are crossing state lines to an pregnancy legally. today first of its kind state law to try to end the option for anyone under the age of 18 goes into effect in idaho. in a piece coproduced with the pbs newshour, a correspondent takes a look at this new frontier in the movement to outlaw access to legal abortion. >> nestled in northern idaho's rolling hills sits the college town of moscow, home to the university of idaho. mackenzie davidson, a budding journalist works for the school newspaper, the are cannot. her editor asked her to write an editorial. before you were assigned to write this article, did you know anything about this abortion trafficking ban? >> i heard about it but did not know a lot about it.

>> were you surprised this was a proposal, to prevent teenagers from leaving the state? >> ever since roe got overturned it felt like your rights were being taken away. >> idaho has one of the nation's harshest abortion bans. until now, moscow residents could drive a few minutes across the state line to pullman, washington, were abortion remains legal. starting today the new law makes it a crime to help a young woman or girl to travel to get an abortion without her parents' permission. >> we are looking to continue to protect our children and our parental rights. >> this representative, a republican, cosponsored the bill. >> this is only dealing with those that were traffic minors without the consent of the parent. >> she kept saying it was about parental rights and it is the most important thing. >> what does it feel like to be

here? you are 19 but this would have applied to you a year and a half ago to try to go across the border. >> i have no idea how they plan on enforcing that. it is not like you can stop everyone trying to cross into pullman. >> i am at the idaho-washington state line. under the new law in idaho, any adult who hates -- helps a teenager across the state line to terminate a pregnancy will face years in prison. even in cases when the teenage girl has been sexually assaulted. even when a parent does give consent, experts in the travel ban creates uncertainty about how prosecutors could interpret the law. >> until we see something come through, i think there is a lot of leeway for someone to decide hoharge it. >> kelly o'neal if the idaho litigation attorney for a progressive nonprofit. >> could still be charged, arrested, perhaps have to go all the way to a jury trial and

prove your defense in a courtroom that your sister gave you permission. >> family members of the pregnant minor or the father of the fetus can also sue any health care provider involved. >> if you are successful, you are guaranteed a $20,000 minimum per claim per relative. >> abortion providers in washington are now shielded from those out-of-state legal threats. >> there are states across the country that are and will be attempting to put its tentacles into the state of washington. we will not allow that. >> last week, washington governor jay inslee, a democrat, signed a bill that bars law-enforcement to cooperate with other states' investigations. >> he oversees planned parenthood clinics in central and eastern washington, including this clinic in spokane, 20 miles from the state

line. are you concerned that some of your providers who live in idaho will be charged criminally for the work i do every day here? >> we have told providers we will handle all of your legal fees and pay for lawyers. it is something we think about a lot. >> he said less than 5% of the clinic's patients who come for abortion care are teenagers. most involve parents. >> when a teenager cannot go to a parent, why is that? >> we often get teenagers coming here who are 15 weeks pregnant, 20 weeks pregnant, farther along the ever imagined. they did not even know they were pregnant because of abuse and it is abuse in the home. we are talking about sexual abuse which is unfortunately a reason many teenagers need to have an abortion. >> that is why he said forcing vulnerable teenagers to tell a parent can put them in danger. >> it will make it harder for ppatients who need care the most to actually get the care they deserve and need.

>> that argument does not convince some idahoans. >> some -- my parents have taught me that two wrongs do not make a right. >> ryan alexander is a second ar in scow. he and his wife are raising their daughter in the catholic faith. he said ending any pregnancy goes against his beliefs. ryan supports the travel ban because he said no adult can act in place of a parent. >> that is kidnapping by any means. if you take a girl away from her parents when she is a minor and her parents have authority over her, that is the way our law works. >> i asked him about teenagers who face abuse or have absent parents. >> my heart goes out to them. what can i do but pray from a distance? how can that be better? >> for girls experiencing that now, what would you have them do? >> there are many, many, many

americans who view abortion as the taking of human life. not just taking of a human life but the taking of an innocent human life. a life fully deserving of dignity and protection. that wrong is so egregious that it is not worth trying to correct another wrong by doing that, by taking that life. >> two hours north, jen jackson and her husband tyler hope when their eight-year-old daughter becomes a teenager, she will have trusted adults to turn to. >> i am trying to cultivate community to be in my daughter's life in case there is a situation, heaven forbid, where she feels like she cannot come to me or her father that at least she has other adults in her corner that can help her out. >> jen said one reason she opposes the travel ban is it divides the community. >> sandpoint's community is its greatest strength. but laws like this are dividing us. we do not know who to trust.

we do not know who we can talk to. >> >> this is one of the next frontiers of abortion litigation. david cohen said idaho's lame set a precedent for more restrictions on travel. >> people not rest on their laurels because of how easy it is to travel to washington. they will want to restrict travel. they have done that here with minors. in a couple years, we will probably see that spread to adults, too. >> in moscow, mackenzie davidson believes lawmakers will not stop with teenagers. >> i do not think it is about parental rights. i think it is about controlling people that do not conform. i think it to a very good job making it seem like it will only impact 17 and under girls. but it is not. >> the travel ban is expected to be challenged in the courts. but for now, idaho teenagers are

the first in the nation to navigate these new restricons. ♪ geoff: after the series of controversies involving supreme court justice clarence thomas, senate democrats are exploring the possibility of introducing their own ethical code for justices. to discuss the court and other news, we turn to the analysis of new york times columnist and the associate editor of the washington post. let's start with the new reporting this week that billionaire republican donor harlan crow paid the monthly private boarding school tuition for the grandnephew of justice clarence thomas, who thomas was racing as his son. this was another gift the justice did not disclose. leonard leo proactively him

scared a $25,000 payment to clarence thomas' wife, ginni thomas, racing the issue of supreme court reform. in the absence of a code, it is said congress should step in. >> i do not see anything wrong with that. congress has ethics laws, rules and regulations it has to abide by in if the supreme court does not. i think it was a missed opportunity by the chief justice to not accept senator durbin's invitation to meet with the committee, talk with the committee so at least through the committee of the american people can understand where the justices are coming from in terms of their resistance to any kind of accountability. as we see story after story, you just catalogued, who knows what republicans will come out with next week. it seems like there is a branch

of government that is unaccountable to the american people, to anyone and is actively resisting it. i think the longer they do that, the more popular sentiment will be -- actually, congress, do something about this. geoff: one thing we heard from democrats this week is the highest court in the land should not have the lowest ethical standards. >> first i should say i have been friends with harlan crow for about 20 years. i find him a wonderful man. your viewers should know that is my connection. so that is disclosure. and that is what i wish clarence thomas had done. viewers know i like harlan crow. clarence thomas should say i trust the citizens of this country so i will disclose my connection and that is that. as for going forward, i confess i am a little concerned about congress doing it. a, they are polarized.

b, i'm not concerned about their own ethical standards. they go diving for dollars and they do nasty fundraising. i do think the court should take advantage of this moment and say , ok, there is a problem here and we will put disclosure in and make it clear things like a gift from leonard lilo -- leonard leo, who unlike roman crow, actually has business before the court. it is an opportunity to be clear and make stricter rules and make the court a more trusted institution. geoff: in the senate hearing this past week, it made clear a code of conduct if congress does act, it will not be a bipartisan congressional effort because republicans accused democrats of casting doubt on the court because the court has not been ruling in democrats' favor. how might this play out? >> [laughter] my reaction to that is that is pretty incredible. congress is not having this conversation because of the dobbs really.

not having this because of shelby v. holder or citizens united, congress is having this conversation because there is a supreme court justice that has undisclosed relationships and gifts, for lack of a better description, from someone he is friends with. that is why we are having this conversation. this is not about a partisanship. this is about having one of the branches of government be transparent and they are actively resisting being transparent. geoff: the supreme court's power, as written in the federalist papers, derives from the public's belief that the court is administering the law in an impartial manner. there is a recentpoll that found that 62% have little to no confidence in the supreme court.

the findings typically aligned with political party but this is a historic lack of trust. >> i think the need to be proactive on this. it is in my opinion having watched the court -- not as a professional, i do not cover the court much -- in my view, they do not do quid pro quo. i find them to be remarkable people both democrats and republicans. i do not think their decisions are influenced by money and corruption. i think they are overly influenced by partisanship and i find it disturbing you can predict how a justice will vote depending on how you dominated them. i think you have become too ideological. that is a problem, not too corrupt. i think the public's distrust is unmerited. you should be suspicious of all concentrated power. i think the courts function reasonably well. geoff: let's talk about the debt limit debate. we have about a month left for lawmakers to raise the debt limit to cap the nation from

defaulting and disrupting the global economy. president biden is set to meet with congressional leaders to talk about this. he insists it will only accept a bill with no strings attached and is dismissing republicans' demands for spending cuts. >> i think the president is absolutely right. the president should not be negotiating over the full faith credit of the u.s. what they should do when they get into that room, they should agree right then and there, there will be a clean debt ceiling vote let the same time negotiations begin right now on a budget. the president released his budget last month. speaker mccarthy is having this limit -- his debt ceiling act sort of is masquerading as a budget. if you want to take a sledgehammer to the federal budget, sit down with the president and negotiate. his priorities are out there in

print. where are yours, speaker mccarthy? beyond the cuts he broadly said he wants to do. specific conversation should be happening simultaneously. but the debt ceiling must be raised. geoff: how concerned should americans be that this will not happen in time? some republicans privately say they do not think kevin mccarthy can introduce a clean bill and keep his speakership. >> they should be concerned. i do think biden will negotiate. that will be the reality. i have noticed in congress some moves to make it easier for us to solve this crisis without having a blowup. that is not to say all warnings are often we should relax but i think there has been some slow movement. the republicans are wrong and that we should have a budget negotiation -- we should not have a negotiation. in my view, the republicans are

right that we have put on a big spending bench over the last five years because of covid and other things what our deficits are way too high. they are fueling inflation that is way too high. they are fueling inflation. it is good government to think we have to cut some spending and raise some taxes. the republicans are not entirely wrong. geoff: what lessons should lawmakers have learned from what happened in 2011? a catastrophic downgrading. >> what they should have learned is to not do this. do not do this. do not have this skirmish. also, republicans did not have a problem raising the debt ceiling when donald trump was president and did not have a problem running up trillions of dollars in debt when donald trump was president. their sudden fiscal -- i find offputting. geoff: let's talk about artificial intelligence. it was stunning to hear the

godfather of ai talk about the perils, the potential for machines to take over. what you see as not just apparels but the process? >> i decided ai is important so i spend about four or five hours a day on it. i always walk in thinking about ai. i came in thinking that ai was kind of important and may as big as mobile. now i think it is the industrial revolution. it will have pervasive effects on our workplace. with outcome great dangers. what he talked about was the idea that it will have agency and its own desires that will overrule our own desires. he is a lot smarter than i am. it also has great opportunities for us to make us all better at our jobs. in 1997, early primive ai beat a chess champion.

did chess go away? no, the chess grandmasters trained themselves on ai so chess are way better because of ai. we will have great opportunities to be better at our jobs with slight peril that it will take over the earth. [laughter] geoff: are you concerned or excited? >> i am a little of both. listening to thenterview, i thought is that this how the movie "terminator" started? i will take david at his word that it is a tool we should relish. geoff: jonathan and david, thank you. ♪ >> eight months after succeeding his mother queen elizabeth as britain's head of state, king charles will be crowned at

westminster abbey tomorrow in a lavish celebration. the coronation will be historic. unlike anything that will be staged again. as britain's royal family adapts to the modern era. there is a generationalaner spoe monarchy. >> paying homage in their own particular way, king charles iii's most loyal subjects pitched updates to grab prime positions along the procession route. fashioning a portrait of britain's head of state is a former actor. >> we need them and we need them more now than ever. in an ever-changing world of paranoia, blame and everything else, we need someone to help us get through what we are going through. >> chris is a sport or because of charles' leadership and a nonprofit helping vulnerable young people get their lives on track. >> for the next generation,

committing to gen z. instagram, twitter, facebook. he should forget about technology but he cares about the environment. he has a heart. that is why i am excited. >> this nurse has been pitching her tent at every major royal event for more than three decades. > it is living history. people will be talking about the coronation of king charles iii. i can say i was there. >> today, patience was rewarded as king charles left buckingham palace for a brief walk about. recent opinion polls suggest king charles cannot afford to become complacent when it comes to support. there is a significant

generational divide in the country. 3/4 of all senior support the idea of a monarchy, less than 40% of those under 34 feel the same way. the message is clear -- if it wants to survive, the royal family has to make itself more relevant to young people. >> i think it is outdated and the idea that collectively we have to pay for a family that by blood sees itself above others is disgusting. >> i don't get it. i do not understand why we have this one family that are apparently more important than the rest of us and all this money is put into keeping them more than comfortable. literally things made of gold when a lot of people are struggling. i do not really understand why they are superior to us. ♪ >> old habits die hard. some of the seniors singing god save the queen. by the chorus, they have

remember the correct national anthem. britain is still getting used to having a king. what you think of charles? >> i think he will be a good king. i hope he has good advisors around him. ♪ >> the guests at this coronation tea party, the king's contemporaries. charles is just starting to fulfill his destiny at the age of 74. the town's mayor. >> i think he will be a good monarch. . that is what everyone is hoping for. the importance of the monarchy is a little bit diminished now because the queen was there so long. ♪ >> some of the other heads of state.

the pageantry of the country is what a lot of people including the americans -- >> nighttime rehearsals how perfect britain's expertise at staging grand stage events. this coronation, the last one was 70 years ago. >> no day has never dawned that will rival this. beauty, queen ship, >> is at the beginning of the end? is this the last coronation? >> i do nothing it is the last but it is the start of a new kind of questioning and perception of the monarchy. >> this professor is the director for the center of modern monarchy. >> i think the sense of an estate about critical questioning of the monarchy that took place during the latter part of the queen's reign is over now and people are questioning why?

what? how? those questions are being asked. >> not my king. >> the institution itself is not fit for purpose. >> he runs an anti-monarchy organization whose noisy protests have punctuated king charles' appearances sense he ascended to the throne. >> most people in this country believe in democracy and accountability and quality. the monarchy stands firmly against those values. we should not be putting up with an institution that stands against the values and principles of the rest of the country. >> this demonstration in liverpool last month is a taste of what is planned of the coronation. >> not my king. >> inside westminster abbey, one of the most symbolic acts the public will not witness is the anointing of king charles with holy oil to symbolize his spiritual status. he is the bishop. >> i think people confuse this with privilege.

like he is given a massive privilege. what he is swe to as diardin the queen back in 1953, they are taking on a massive responsibility for service. there is a point where you are saying i have to give myself away in order to serve these people. >> perhaps the most controversial element of the coronation is the archbishop of canterbury's invitation to pledge allegiance to the king and his heirs. >> it feels very archaic to be going about with the whole holy anointed kings. it feels very backward. >> to me personally i think it is laughable. i think they are so out of touch and beyond the commonality of people that they think that is something we will just soakp without questioning it. obviously i will not do that. it shows how out of touch they are. ♪

>> out of touch or not, saturdays pageantry will reinforce the appearance of a land of hope and glory. even if the monarchy is less revered under king charles iii. ♪ geoff: you can watch our coverage of the coronation of king charles iii on pbs and streaming on the newshour website starting very early in the morning, 2:30 a.m. eastern. the ceremony begins at 6:00. tune into washington week later tonight on pbs and watched pbs news week and tomorrow for a conversation on living with covid as health emergency's come to an end. that is the newshour. i'm geoff bennett. have a great weekend. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by --

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