one giant leap for mankind. >> good evening. on "the newshour" tonight, the latest jobs report shows another month of strong employment growth, but many americans are still choosing the gig economy over permanent jobs. new information about payments made to justice clarence thoma'' wife raise more ethical questions about the supreme court. and the so-called godfather of ai warns about the dangers rapidly developing technologies pose to our society. >> i think it is an area in which we can actually have international collaboration because the machines taking over is a threat for everyone.

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by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> good evening and welcome to "the newshour." the u.s. labor market is again showing its resilience amid other economic obstacles, including recent banking failures. the latest jobs report round job growth was higher than expected last month with 253,000 new jobs created throughout many sectors of the economy. the unemployment rate dipped to 3.4 percent, matching the lowest rate since 1969. paul solomon looks at the newest data and how robust jobs growth squares with the pansion of the gig economy. >> at 253 thousand jobs created is really, really solid. >> in fact, say economists like nola richardson, the latest jobs numbers came in strong. >> more people came into the

labor market, so that helped supply and was met by strong hiring demand from companies. good, solid job gains matched with moderate wage growth. that is good news for the economy and for inflation. >> not particularly good news for workers concerned wage growth is not keeping pace with inflation, right? >> actually, as inflation has come down, the wage growth we are seeing has at least edged out inflation over the last couple of months, but you are absolutely right. so the issue is how do you get wage growth not to decelerate more quickly than inflation comes down? >> the logic -- modest wage growth lowers what companies can charge, and expectations of future inflation, which eventually the fed drives inflation below wage growth, but the question is -- how come the

gig work economy remains so high? >> a lot of people who talk giinthg ourkoug t e atfoworm wo, uber, lyft, but it's actually much bigger than that. there are many more people, maybe as many as 14%, 15% of the workforce, who are working as self-employed, independent contractors, doing a whole variety of things. >> that would be more than 20 million of us, and talk about a variety of things. >> i grow and sell medicinal herbs and flowers. >> that is not 38-year-old lindsay ferguson's sole side hustle. >> i performed in the bay area with various dance troops. i perform burlesque. i take photos of myself -- i'm a model -- and i sell those shots online for money. >> pretty much anything you can do in the regular economy you

can do in the gig economy. >> kathy run's sidehussle.com which hooks up freelancers with gigs. >> there's a website that will allow you to take in other people's laundry. almost any service you can provide, there is an online platform that will help you market that service. >> and supplement income from your regular job, assuming you have one. >> all the work that i do and the site hustles that i do does not keep up with the work -- the rate of inflation, which is why i need to supplement them with the various gigs i do. >> spencer is a puppeteer. >> i work full-time for a nonprofit agency right outside new york city, and on the side, i'm a freelance puppeteer. >> and that's why your arm is was he there? >> yup, that's why i have one of my puppets right here. >> he's among the few who makes

enough at his day job. his side hustle just for fun, but why do millions of workers continue to rely on gig work exclusively with all the jobsites out there? flexibility says food delivery >> i don't have a 9-to-5. i could work at 1:00 a.m. if i need to or do extra hours on the weekend. those are the advantages. >> but, says dobbs -- >> the market has gotten very saturated. you have to work more hours that i did initially to make the amount i use to. >> in fact, she has cut back on her hours. why? >> unjust in the process of looking for work, so that takes up a lot of time. jobhunting is a job in itself. >> her situation fits with the data bank of america has seen. >> a decline in people doing these types of jobs over the last 12 months. >> what is going on?

quick they might be rotating into jobs. they might be working at a clothing store in a mall now. >> but there are still plenty of gig workers out there, says an economist and authority on the subject. >> there are long-term trends in the gig economy, and those continue to be the same as they have been for a long time. that is slow and steady growth as more workers want flexibility and more firms want flex ability, too. >> that allows people to add on to employment if they need that money. there is right now a symbiotic relationship between what companies need right now and what gig workers are able to provide. >> that andy need of so many americans for site hustles in a high-inflation economy, like lindsay ferguson. >> at the end of the month, i lose my full-time job, which is rent money but also my health insurance, which is why i'm doing everything i can to

schedule my dental cleanings and my blood panels while i still have coverage because come the end of the month, i lose my full-time job. >> and finds herself back, like about a third of all gig workers, with site hustles as the only work she's got -- side hustles as the only work she's got. >> here are the latest headlines . at least eight republican alternate electors in georgia have taken immunity deals in the investigation of possible meddling in the 2020 election. the electors had signed a certificate stating that then president trump had won the state, despite the fact that he lost georgia. the fulton county district attorney leading the case announced last july let each of the 16 fake electors was the target of a criminal investigation. the world health organization declared an end to covid-19 as a

global emergency. the announcement marked a somebody and -- symbolic and to an era. officially, covid is blamed for some 7 million deaths worldwide, including more than one million in the u.s. the actual total is estimated to be at least 20 million with thousands more dying every week. the w.h.o.'s director general noted most countries have already lifted restrictions, but he warned against complacency. >> the worst thing any country could do now is to use this news as a reason to let down its guard, to dismantle the systems it has built, or to send a message to its people that covid-19 is nothing to worry about. >> in the u.s., the public health emergency for covid is set to expire next thursday. meantime, dr. rochelle walensky is stepping down as director of the u.s. centers for disease control after two years. in a letter to president biden today, she indicated it is a good time to go as the covid

pandemic wanes. her last day at the cdc will be june 30. the had of pressure's wagner group mercenaries threatened today to pull out of bakhmut in eastern ukraine -- the head of russia's wagner group. wagner group has poured men onto the front lines in the city for months. in a video message, he charged russia's military have failed to seize the city by next week's holiday. >> we were going to capture bakhmut by may 9, but the pseudo-military bureaucrats prevented us from doing this. they are sitting there, shaking their fat bellies and thinking they will make it into history as winners when they have already made it as cowards. >> it is unclear if he will make good on this threat. he has long made fiery accusations against russia's military that he often retracts. the people of serbia were

plunged deeper into morning today after the nation's second mass shooting in two days. a gunman killed eight people and wounded 14 others in two villages late thursday in apparently random attacks. police arrested the suspect in a village south of belgrade today after an all-night manhunt. serbia's president condemned the attack in a nationwide address. >> this new, mass criminal attack after an attack on your children targeted randomly anyone who happened to be outside a hunters camp, around a campfire or outside the gate going about their own business. this is an attack on our whole country and each citizen feels it. >> a day earlier, a teenage gunman had killed eight students and a guard at a belgrade school. flash floods in a province in eastern congo have claimed the lives of at least 176 people. torrential rains this week sent rivers into two villages in the

central african nation, destroying buildings and triggering landslides. the rain also caused letting in neighboring rwanda that killed 130 people -- the rain also caused flooding in neighboring rwanda. khartoum has been ravaged by three weeks of intense combat. talks between sudan's army and paramilitary rebels will take place in the saudi city of jeddah. still to come, idaho criminalizes hoping miners travel out of state to get an abortion. david brooks and jonathan capehart weigh in on the week's lyrical headlines. and brits express mixed feelings ahead of the coronation of king charles. >> this is "the pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west, from walter

cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. >> for the fourth time in a month, a news report is raising ethics questions about supreme court justice clarence thomas and his financial dealings with rich friends. >> this time, it is about money going to thomas' wife at the direction of leonard leo, whose work has been devoted to getting more conservative federal judges. according to "the washington post," in 2012, leo told a republican pollster that he wanted to give thomas another $25,000. the money should be billed to a nonprofit group that leo advised, and that there was to be no mention of ginny, of course. emma brown was on the team that uncovered this. first of all, why would leonard leo, perhaps best known as the head of the federalist society,

the conservative legal network, why would he be in touch with kellyanne conway about sending money to ginni thomas? quickset is a great question. the documents -- >> that is a great question. the documents we reviewed don't really answer that question. what we can see is he is arranging these payments. he is seeking to keep ginni thomas' name off the billing paperwork, but we don't know why he is doing this. >> ginni thomas is, of course, a conservative activist but also a consultant at a consulting firm, isn't she? >> yes, she has a long career in politics. in 2009, she established a nonprofit to try to harness the energy of the gathering t party movement. she ended up stepping away from that amid conflict of interest questions because there was a large, anonymous donation to the group and she founded a for-profit consulting firm,

liberty consulting, and that is the firm that has paid her for many years, according to clarence thomas' disclosure forms, but that's all we really know. he does not need to disclose how much money she makes through her consulting firm, nor who her clients are. >> you talk to ethics experts about this. what did they have to say? >> the father first amicus brief in 2012, the same year as these payments, and in that brief, the landmark voting rights case in which the court struck down a provision that was meant to protect minority voters. thomas agreed with the outcome but said he would've gone further and struck down a broader position, which is the same position taken by judicial education product. this was not a new position for

clarence thomas. our reporting -- it is not as if our reporting shows he was swayed in some way by this organization that apparently had been asked to pay his wife, but the standard for recusal is not showing that someone was swayed. it is showing that there is a reasonable basis to question the impartiality of the justice. we spoke to ethics experts who were defined on the question of if this was a close enough connection with the payments to his wife that it shouldn't require his recusal. >> we reached out to the thomases for comment and never heard back. we did get a comment from leonard leo. the work she did here did not involve anything connected with either the court's business or other legal issues. knowing how disrespectful, malicious, and gossipy people can be, i have always tried to protect justice thomas and ginni

thomas. when you take everything we have learned about clarence thomas the past month, the luxury vacations with harlan crow, crow buying thomas' mother's house from the justice and his family, paying the private school tuition of his grandnephew, and now this payment to his wife -- what is the significance of all of this? why should people be concerned about this? >> i think we are in a moment of great scrutiny on the court and on potential conflicts of interest, and the reason that matters is because if people don't have confidence the justices are acting on the basis of law rather than some other influence, the court cannot function and our nation depends on people trusting the court in order for a republic to function in the way it is supposed to. >> thank you.

>> this has been a week where concerns over the rapidly expanding use of artificial intelligence resonated loudly in washington and around the world. vice president harris met yesterday with top executives from companies leading nai development. microsoft, google, open ai, and anthropic. the vice president told the companies they had a moral obligation to develop ai safely. that meeting came just days after one of the leading voices in the field of ai, dr. jeffrey hinton, announced he was quitting google over his worries about the future of ai and what it could eventually lead to unchecked. we will hear about some of those concerns now with dr. jeffrey hinton, who joins me from london. thank you for being with us. what are you free to express now about artificial intelligence that you could not express

freely when you were employed by google? >> it was not that i could not express it freely when i was employed by google. it is that inevitably, if you work for a company, you tend to self censor. you tend to think about the impact it will have on the company. i want to be able to talk about what i now perceive us the risks of super intelligent ai without having to think about the impact on google. >> what are those risks, as you see it? >> there are quite a few different risks. there's the risk of producing a lot of fake news so nobody knows what is true anymore. there's the risk of encouraging polarization by getting people to click on things that make them indignant. there's the risk of putting people out to work. it should be that we make things more productive. when we greatly increase productivity, it helps everybody, but there's a worry it might just help the risk. then there's the risk i want to talk about. many people talk about those other risks, including bias and

discrimination. i want to talk about the risk of super intelligent ai taking over control from people. >> how do the two compare? human or biological intelligence and machine intelligence? >> that's a very good question, and i have quite a long answer. biological intelligence has evolved to use very little power, so we only use about 30 watts, and we have about hundreds of trillions of connections between neurons. additional intelligence we have been creating uses a lot of power, like a megawatt when you are training it. it has far fewer connections, but it can learn much more than any one person knows, which suggests that it is a better learning algorithm then what the brain has got. >> what would smarter than human ai systems do? what is the concern you have? >> the question is -- what will

motivate them? they could easily manipulate us if they wanted to. imagine yourself and a two-year-old child. you asked the child do you want the peas or the cauliflower, and the child realizes it can have neither. imagine something that was much better than manipulating people than any of our current politicians. >> i suppose the question is -- why would ai want to do that? wouldn't that require some form of sentence? -- sentience? >> let's not confuse the issue with sentience. have a lot to say about it, but let's not confuse the issue with her. suppose you are getting an ai to do something. you give it a goal, and you also give it the ability to create sub goals. like, if you want to get to the airport, you create a subgoal of

getting a taxi or something to get you to the airport. one thing is that there is a subgoal that if you can achieve it makes it easier to achieve all the other goals you have given by people. the subgoal that makes it easier is get more control, get more power. the more power you have, the easier it is to get things done. there's the alignment. we give it a perfectly reasonable goal, and it decides that in order to achieve that, i'm going to get myself a lot more power, and because it is smarter than us and trained from everything people ever did, read every novel there ever was, read machiavelli, it knows a lot about how to manipulate people. there's a worry it might start manipulate us into giving it more power and we might not have a clue what's going on. >> when you were at the forefront of this technology decades ago, what did you think it might do? what were the applications you had in mind at the time? >> there's a huge number of very good applications, and that's why it would be a big mistake to

stop developing this stuff. it will be tremendously useful in medicine. would you rather see a family doctor seeing a few thousand patients or a family doctor seeing a few hundred million patients, including many with the same rare disease you have? you can make much better doctors this way. you can make better nanotechnology for solar panels. you can predict floods, putting earthquakes. you can do tremendous good with this. >> is the problem the technology or the people behind it? >> visits the combination. obviously, many of the -- it is the combination. obviously, many other departments developing this is defense departments, and defense departments do not necessarily want to build in "be nice to people" to the code. we cannot expect them all to have good intentions towards all people. >> there's the question of what to do about it. this technology is advancing far

more quickly than governments and societies can keep pace with . the capabilities of this technology leap forward every few months. what is required to write legislation, pass legislation, come up with international reaties -- that takes years. >> yes. i've gone public to try to encourage much more resources, many more creative scientists to get into this area. i think it is an area in which we can actually have international collaboration because machines taking over is a threat for everybody. it is a threat to the chinese and the americans and the europeans, just like a global nuclear war is. for global nuclear war, people did actually collaborate to reduce the chances of it. >> there are other experts in the field of ai who say that the concerns you are raising, this dystopian future, that it distracts from the real and immediate risks posed by

artificial intelligence. how do you respond to that criticism? >> i don't want to distract from that. i just want to add this other existential threat of it taking over. one reason i want to do that is because that is an area which i think we can get international collaboration. >> is there any turning back? when you say there will come a time when ai is more intelligent than us. is there any coming back from that? >> i don't know. we are entering a time of great uncertainty where we are dealing with kinds of things we have never dealt with before. it is as if aliens have landed but we did not really take it in because they speak english. >> how should we think differently about artificial intelligence? >> we should realize we will get

artificial intelligence quite soon and they will be wonderful. there's huge positive possibility in these things but also huge negative possibilities. i think we should put more resources into making it much more powerful to figure out how to keep it under control. >> thanks so much for your time and for sharing your insights with us. >> thank you for inviting me. >> with abortion now effectively banned in 15 states across the country, many americans are crossing state lines to end pregnancies legally. today, a first of its kind state law aiming to end that option for anyone under the age of 18 goes into effect in idaho. in a piece coproduced with "the pbs newshour," our health news correspondent takes a look at this new frontier and the

movement to outlaw access to legal abortion. >> mckenzie davidson, a budding journalist, works for the school newspaper, the argonaut. her editor asked her to ride an editorial on a new law that bans so-called abortion trafficking. before you were assigned to write this article, did you know anything about this abortion trafficking band? >> i had heard of it, but i did not know a lot about it. quick did it surprise you this was even a proposal here to prevent teenagers from leaving the state? >> ever since harley -- aro e -- ever since roe got overturned, a kind of felt like every day you were waking up and your rightswe reeiak b tngen awa >> starting today, the new law makes it a crime to help young

woman or girl travel to get an abortion without h parents' permission. >> mr. speaker, friends, we are only looking to continue to protect our children and our parental rights. this is only dealing with those who would traffic minors without the consent of a parent. >> mckenzie interviewed a heart for the article. >> she kept saying that it was about parental rights and that was the most important thing. >> this would have applied to you just a year and half ago. >> i have no idea how they plan on enforcing that because it's not like you can stop everybody that's trying to cross. >> i'm here at the idaho washington state line, and under the new law, any adult who helps a teenager leave idaho to terminate a pregnancy will face

two to five years, including a pot, sister, brother, or grandmother, and even in cases where a teenage girl has been sexually assaulted. even when a parent does give consent, experts say the travel ban creates uncertainty about how prosecutors can interpret the law. >> until we see something come through, i do think there is a lot of leeway for somebody to decide how to charge it. >> kelly o'neill is the idaho litigation attorney for legal voice, a progression -- a progressive nonprofit. >> perhaps it can go all the way to a jury trial, and you have to prove that your sister gave you permission. >> family members of the pregnant minor or the father of the fetus can also sue any health care provider involved. >> if you are successful, your guaranteed $20,000 minimum, and that is per claim, per relative. >> but abortion providers in washington are now shielded on those kinds of out-of-state

legal threats. >> there are states across the country that are and will be attempting to put tentacles into the state of washington. we will not allow that. >> last week, the washington governor, a democrat, signed a bill that bars law-enforcement from cooperating with other states' abortion investigations. >> we are seeing people from idaho, almost every day. >> karl is lent overseas planned parenthood clinics in central and eastern washington, including this clinic in spokane, 20 miles from the state line. are you concerned that providers are going to be charged criminally for the work you do every day here? >> we have told providers we will handle legal fees. it is something with think about a lot. >> he says less than 5% of the clinic's patients are teenagers. most of them involve their parents, he says, even though that is not mandatory in washington. when a teenager cannot go to a

parent, why is that? >> we often get teenagers coming here who are 15 weeks pregnant, 20 weeks pregnant, farther along in the pregnancy than they ever imagine. they did not even know they were pregnant, many of them, because of abuse and it is abuse in the home. we are talking sexual abuse and incest, which is the reason many teenagers have to seek an abortion. >> that is why forcing teenagers to report to an adult could put them in danger. but the argument does not convince some idahoans. >> my parents have always taught me a very important maxim -- two wrongs do not make a right. >> brian alexander is a second year law student. he and his wife catherine are raising their daughter in the catholic faith. he says ending any pregnancy goes against his beliefs. he supports a travel ban because he says no adult can act in place of a parent. >> that's just kidnapping, by

any means. if you take a girl, you know, away from her parents when she is a minor, and her parents have authority over her, that's the way our law works. >> asked about teens who face abuse power have absent parents. >> my heart goes out to them? what can i do but pray from a distance and think how can that be better? >> but for girls that are experiencing that now, what would you have them do? >> there are many, many, many americans who view abortion as the taking of a human life -- not just taking of a human life but the taking of an innocent life, a life fully deserving of dignity and protection. that wrong is so grievous that it is not worth trying to correct another wrong by doing that, by taking that life. >> two hours north, jan jackson quintana and her husband tyler hopeig-year-old

daughter sylvie becomes a teen, she will have trusted adults to turn to. >> i'm trying to cultivate community here to be in my daughter's life. if she is ever in a situation, heaven forbid, where she feels like she cannot come to me or her father for help, that at least she has other adults in her corner that can help her out. >> jen says one reason she opposes the travel ban is because it defies the community. >> the community is the greatest strength, but laws like this divide us. we don't know who we can trust or who we can talk to. >> i think this is one of the next frontiers of abortion litigation. >> david cohen is a constitutional law professor at drexel university. he says idaho's law may set more restrictions on travel. >> people in idaho are not going to rest on their laurels because of how easy it is for some people to travel to washington, so they are going to want to restrict travel, and they have

done that here with minors, and i think in a matter of a couple of years, we are probably going to see that spread to adults, too. >> in moscow, mckenzie davidson believes lawmakers will not stop with teenagers. >> i don't think it is really about parental rights. i think it is purely about controlling people that don't conform. i think they do a very good job of making it seem like it will only impact 17 and under girls, but it's not. >> the travel ban is expected to be challenged in the courts, but for now, idaho teens are the first in the nation to navigate these new restrictions. >> after the series of controversies involving supreme court justice clarence thomas, senate democrats are exploring the possibility of introducing their own ethical code for

justices. to discuss the court and other major news of the week, we turn to the analysis of brooks and capehart. it is always great to see you both. let's start with new reporting this week that billionaire republican doubter -- donor harlan crow played the board and privates will tuition for the grandnephew of clarence thomas, whom thomas was raising as his son, yet another gift justice did not disclose or there's "the post" reported that a well-known conservative activist proactively disclosed a payment to thomas' wife. democrats say the supreme court should write a code for itself and in the absence of that, congress should step in. how do you see it? >> i don't see anything wrong with that. congress has ethics laws and rules and regulations it has to abide by, and yet the supreme court doesn't?

i think it was a missed opportunity by the chief justice to not accept senator durbin's invitation to meet with the committee, to talk with the committee so that at least through the committee, the american people can understand where the justices are coming from in terms of their resistance to any kind of accountability, but as we see story after story -- i mean, you just catalogued what we know right now. who knows what pro public will come out with next week? it seems like there is a branch of government that is unaccountable to the american people, to anyone, and it is actively resisting it, and i think that the longer they do that, that the more popular sentiment will be, you know what? actually, congress, do something about this. >> one thing we heard from democrats this week is that the highest court in the land should not have the lowest ethical standards. is that a convincing argument? >> first, i should say i have

been friends with harlan crow for 20 years. i find him a full man. he has hosted me at his house. viewers should know that. so that its disclosure, and that is what i wish clarence thomas had done in this case. i think viewers are smart enough to know that i'm probably biased in this case. think he's a wonderful guy and could have influenced claims thomas, so thomas should have set i'm going to trust the citizens of this country and disclosed my connection. i confess, i'm a little concerned about congress doing it. a, because they are pretty polarized. b, i'm not crazy about their own ethical standards. they do a lot of nasty fundraising. it is more polarized, but i really think the court should take advantage of this moment and say, there's a problem here and we are going to put some disclosure in. we are going to make it clear that things like a gift from leonard leo, who unlike harlan does actually have business before the court, that we are not going to allow that. it is an opportunity just to be

clear, to make stricter rules and make the court more trustworthy. >> the senate hearing you mentioned this past week, made clear that a code of conduct, if congress does act, it will not be a bipartisan congressional effort because republicans accused democrats of casting doubt on the court because the court has not been ruling in democrats' favor. how might this play out? >> [laughter] my reaction to that, that's pretty incredible. congress is not having this conversation because of the jobs ruling. not having this conversation because of, say, shall be d holder or citizens united. congress is having this conversation because there is a supreme court justice who has undisclosed relationships and gifts, for lack of a better description, from someone he is friends with. that is why we are having this conversation. this is not about partisanship.

this is about having one of the branches of government be transparent, and they are actively resisting being transparent. >> the supreme court's power, as written in the federalist papers, derived from the public's belief that the court is administering the law in an impartial manner. there was a recent npr/"pbs newshour" poll that found 60% of those polled have little to no confidence in the court. the findings tended to align with political party. how does the court restore its reputation? >> i do think they need to be proactive on this. in my view, they don't do quid pro quo. i have not messed -- i have not met clarence thomas, but i have met justices and i find them report -- remarkable people. i don't think their decisions

are influenced by money and corruption. i think sometimes they are overly influenced by partisanship, and i find it disturbing you can predict how a justice is going to vote by who nominated them, so i think the problem is ideological. frankly, i think the public's distrust of the institution is unmerited. i think the courts in general up and down the system function reasonably well. >> let's talk about the debt limit debate. we've got about a month left for lawmakers to raise the debt limit, which would keep the nation from defaulting and disrupting the global economy. president biden is set to meet with congressional leaders next tuesday to talk about this. he insists he will only accept a bill with no strings attached, and he is dismissing republicans' demands for spending cuts, for concessions. >> i think the president is absolutely right. the president should not be negotiating over the full faith and credit of the united states. what they should do when they

get into that room, they should agree right then and there there will be a clean debt ceiling vote while at the same time negotiations begin right now on a budget. the president released this budget last month. speaker mccarthy is having this limit grow -- his debt ceiling act sort of is masquerading as a budget. if you want to take a sledgehammer to the federal budget, sit down with the president and negotiate it. his priorities are out there in print. where are yours, speaker mccarthy, beyond the cuts that he says broadly he wants to do? specific conversations need to happen, and they should be happening simultaneously, but the debt ceiling must be raised. >> how concerned should americans be that this will not happen in time? i have talked to republicans, some of whom say they do not think kevin mccarthy can introduce a clean bill and keep his speakership. >> they should be concerned.

i'mittle concerned than i s a week or two ago. i do think biden will negotiate. i think that is just a reality. i have noticed in congress some moves to make it easier to solve this crisis without having a blowup. that's not saying all warnings are off and we should just relax, but i think there has been some slow movement. so republicans are wrong in that as we said, we should have a negotiation over the budget, through the budget process, not through the nuclear option. in my view, republicans are right that we have been on a big spending binge the last few years, probably rightly because of covid and other things, but our deficits are way too high right now. they are fueling inflation that is way too high. they are fueling interest payment on deaths that is way too high, and i think it is just good government is a we got to cut some spending, probably raised some taxes because deaths are too high, so publicans are not entirely wrong on the merits of the case. >> what lessons should lawmakers

have learned from what happened in 2011? just mere brinkmanship resulted in a catastrophic downgrading. >> what they should have learned is don't this. do not do this, have this skirmish. also, republicans did not have a problem raising the debt ceiling when donald trump was president and also did not have a problem running up trillions of dollars in debt when donald trump was president, so their sudden fiscal probity i find offputting. >> it was stunning to hear dr. jeffrey henton, known as the godfather of ai, talk about the perils of the potential for machines to take over. what do you see as not just the perils but the promises of artificial intelligence? >> i spent about four or five hours a day on it. what we talk about here is important, and i always think -- i came in thinking that ai was kind of important, maybe as big as mobile and will have cell

phones, and now i think it is the industrial revolution. with that come great dangers. what jeff hinton talked about was the idea that it's going to have agency and its own desires which will overrule your desires. i think we are probably a long way, but he is smarter than i am, so he would probably know, but it also has great opportunities to make us all better at all our jobs. in 1997, primitive ai beat gary kasparov, the chess champion. what happened after? did chess go away? no, chess grandmaster strained themselves on ai, so chess grandmasters are now way better because they had this amazing tool. we will have great opportunities to be better at your jobs with the slight peril they will take over the earth. [laughter] >> what about you, jonathan? concerned or excited? >> i'm a little both.

listening to the interview, and thinking, "isn't this how the terminator started? isn't this the plot from terminator? i will take notes from david that this is a tool we should relish until it takes over the earth. >> thank you both. >> eight months after succeeding his mother queen elizabeth s brittain's head of state, king charles will or maliki crowned at westminster abbey tomorrow in a lavish celebration. his coronation will be historic as britain slims down and adapts to the modern era. -- king charles will formally be crowned at westminster abbey tomorrow. >> paying homage in their own particular way, king charles iii's most loyal subjects pitched up days ago to grab

prime spots along the parade route. >> we need them. we need them more now than ever. when ever changing world of -- i don't know -- paranoia and blame and everything else, we need someone to help us get through what we are going through. >> chris is an ardent supporter, not least because of charles' leadership of the prince' trust nonprofit helping vulnerable people to get their lives back on track. >> he cares for youths, ready to protect gen z, uses instagram, twitter, facebook. he is a 70-year-old man, and should forget about technology, but he cares about the environment. he cares about the environment. he has a heart. that's what i'm excited to see. i pray that he does not change. >> hillery has been pitching her tent here at every major royal event for more than three

decades. >> it is in history, isn't it? for years to come, people will talk about the coronation of king charles iii, and i can say i was there. >> today, the royalists' patience was rewarded as king charles left buckingham palace for a brief walk about. recent opinion polls suggested king charles cannot afford to be complacent when it comes to support. there is a significant generational divide in the country. whereas three quarters of all seniors support the idea of a monarchy, less than 40% of those aged under 34 feel the same way. the message is clear -- if it wants to survive, the royal family has to make itself more relevant to young people. >> i think it is outdated, and i think the idea that collectively we have to pay for a family that by blood sees itself as above others is disgusting. >> i just don't get it.

i don't understand why we got this one family who are apparently more important than the rest of us, and all this money is plowed into keeping them more than comfortable. literally, things made of gold when, like, lots of people are struggling. i don't really understand why they are superior to the rest of us. >> old habits die hard. some of the seniors here start singing "god save the queen," but by the course, they remember the correct national anthem. eight months of charles' reign, britain is still getting used to having a king. what do you think of charles?" i think he is a thoughtful man and i think he will be a good king. i hope he's got good advisors around him. >> the guests at this coronation tea party are the king's contemporaries. as their lives are winding down, charles is just tardy to fulfill his destiny at the age of 74.

>> i think he will be a good monarch. that's what everybody is hoping for. but the importance of monarchy, it is a little bit diminished since the queen because she was there so long. ♪ >> i'd sooner be with a king then some of these other heads of state. the pomp and pageantry of our country is what a lot of people, including the americans, are very envious of. >> brittain's expertise at staging grandstand events, but this coronation will be less opulent than the last, 70 years ago. >> no day has ever donned that rivaled this.

her life outsourced the noblest fiction. >> is this the last coronation we are ever going to see? to mind >> i don't think it is the last, but i think it is the start of a new kind of questioning and perception of the monarchy. >> professor anna whitelock is the director of the center for the study of modern monarchy. >> i think the sense of questioning the critical role of monarchy is over now. people are questioning why, what, how, and those kinds of questions about monarchy's place, its role, its significance, its influence are being asked. >> not my king! >> not my came! >> graham smith runs an anti-monarchy organization whose noisy protests have punctuating king charles' appearances since he ascended the throne. what's most in this country believe in democracy, account ability, equality, and so on, and the monarchy stands firmly

against those values and we should not be putting up with an institution that stands against the values and principles of the rest of the country. >> this demonstration in liverpool late last month is a taste of what they have planned for the coronation. while inside westminster abbey, one of the most embolic acts the public will not witness will be the anointing of king charles with holy oil to symbolize his spiritual status. >> i think people confuse this with privilege. they think he is given this massive privilege. what he is swearing to, as happened with the queen back in 1953, you're taking on a massive responsibility for service, so you are actually saying i've got to give myself away in order to serve these people. mcorotnation is the archbishopf canterbury's invitation to the nation to pledge allegiance to

the king and his heirs. >> just feels very archaic to be going about with the whole holy anointed king. it feels very backwards. >> to me personally, i think it is a bit laughable. i think they are so out of touch and so beyond the commonality of people that they think that's something we're just going to soak up and do without questioning it. you say that to me, i would just be like, obviously, i'm not going to do that. it shows how out of touch they are. >> out of touch or not, saturday's pageantry will reinforce the appearance of a land of hope and glory, even if the monarchy is less revealed -- revered under king charles iii.

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