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through successive scientific expeditions to the titanic even over the past three years. sarah: yesterday, the u.s. coast guard revealed that all fiv people who had been aboard the submersible that went to see the wreck of the titanic had died. what went so tragically wrong is now under investigation. the bbc has seen that emails morning er the safety of the sub were dismissed by the company ceo. also o agreed to confer greater fles xibility to mortgage holders who are potentially facing huge increases in monthly payments due to another rate rise. the indian prime minister narendra modi continues his state visit to the u.s., with president joe biden calling the partnership with india among the

most consequential in the world. a man has been found guilty of murdering a police sergeant. what how did he manage to smuggle a gun into a custody center? in the tents have been pitched. the sum has been shining. 200,000 people will spend the weekend enjoying some of the world's biggest music stars. it can only be gstonbury. we start with developments on the death of five people on board the submersible which went missing in the atlantic on sunday. the bbc has seen email messages showing that warnings over the safety of oceangate's titan sub were repeatedly dismissed by the ceo of the company. the messages were exchanged with a leading deep-sea exploration specialist. the worries were over the craft's unusual design, its non-spherical shape, the reliability of the material it was made of, carbon fiber, and

the fact it had not been through any external, independent certification or classing process. the bbc has been exclusively given and email exchange between stockton rush, the ceo of oceangate, who died in the incident, and a leading deepwater exploration specialist. let's take a look. this was on email sent in 2018. he warned a stockton rush, i have given everyone the same advice, which is that until a sub is classed, tested, and proven, it should not be used for commercial deep dive operations. he went on -- as much as i appreciate entrepreneurship and innovation, you are potentially putting an entire industry at risk, so i implore you to take every care in your testing and sea trials, and to be very conservative. days later, stockton rush replied "i have grown tired of

industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation and new entrants into the existing market. he told rob mccammon, since the form co-founder and i started oceangate, we have heard the baseless cries of "you are going to kill someone" watoo often. i take this as a serious personal insult. the next day, rob mccallum replied in the starkest terms "i think you are potentially placing yourself and your clients in a dangerous dynamic. ironically, your race to titanic is mirroring the famous idea she was unsinkable. oceangate's lawyers then threatened legal action. today, we have contacted them again, and they say they have no additional information. mccammon maintains that no one should have gone in the

submersible. this morning, we heard from the chairman of the u.s. marine technology society manned underwater vehicles committee. in 2018, he and other engineers wrote a letter to stockton rush, warning of the dangers of using an uncertified craft. >> this was clearly preventable. we do have regulations. i think the issue here is that as an industry -- we make submersibles. we have been making submersles in los angeles for 30 years and they are some of the best summer rains the world. there is order in the industry. there are ways to be clever and go around things. for sure, it needs to be clear that a submersible like this, what they were doing for tourism, would not be allowed in u.s. waters. the coast guard would not allow it. it would not be allowed to work in british coastal waters because it would have required -- they would have required it to be certified. the same thing in canada.

turns out they operated in international waters, where no coast guard has jurisdiction. well, you found loopholes, and it was not very wise. sarah: the director of the film "titanic," james cameron, completed 33 dives to the site, and here is what he said. james: our community spoke out against it. quite loudly. the warnings were unheated. sarah: for the development's, the cofounder of oceangate spoke to the bbc and rejected claims they had cut any corners. >> any expert who weighs in on this, including mr. cameron, will admit they were not there for the design of the sub, the engineering, the building, and not the test program the sub went through. sarah: an investigator who previously made the same trip

pulled bbc that the idea that stockton rush did anything wrong was disingenuous. >> he was doing something far beyond what anybody else had. he had the sub he built and was taking down there. it was a magnitude more advanced. for instance, you look at the craft james cameron took down. that was a tiny little sub, that one person laying flat and could operate. he introduced new ideas and new pieces that are not conventional, and someeople don't like that. sarah: with more on the latest from boston, we are joined by our correspondent, carl naslund. tell us the latest, what is happening now. carl: the biggest point of reference right now is concerns about safety and this conversation beginning to emerge. it is interesting to look at a

couple of points. one is these concerns that are coming out now. very experienced deep-sea explorers like james cameron, who basically looked at the facts on the table and said he had some concerns about the design, concerns about the material used. it is also interesting that many of these other concerns that were raised were about five years ago. any of the email exchanges we just heard about, the letter sent to ceo stockton rush -- that all took place in 2018. this was five years ago. it is even a few years before titan made its first visit, in 2021, to the shipwreck wreck of the titanic. there were warnings even before this vessel began making these dives about the experimental nature of it, about the shape, the design of the vessel itself, and the materials, the carbon fiber. that is definitely the conversation now, a day in which we are also beginning to remember the victims and to mourn the people who died.

now that the dust has settled and the investigation is beginning about 900 miles from here in boston, these questions about safety -- questions now, but also questions from five years ago. sarah: you are absolutely right to mention the fact that we are mourning the loss of five people , in terms of the salvage situation, in terms of trying to give their families any sort of soce after all of this. what is able to happen? what are they able to do? obviously, the remains of the sub and these people are in a very inhospitable environment. carl: those are the words used yesterday by the u.s. coast guard. the deep oan is so inhospitable. they did not answer directly exactly whether or not any kind of human remains would be able to be recovered from the site. it sounds unlikely. this is a very deep part of the ocean. we also know that the way this

vessel likely imploded, it happened with so much force -- some people describe it as the weight of the eiffel tower weighing on top of that submersible. it is unlikely that we will ever see any bodies recovered. but that does not mean this recovery mission is not continuing out there. there is an rov making its way to the site that will continue to look for debris down below, look for key pieces of the submersible, and presume will he look for any human remains that might be recovered. but this is now a recovery mission. it will continue for days and likely weeks to come. sarah: thank you. ♪ i just want to bring you some breaking news. there have been different lines coming in regarding this submersible incident all the time. the late we have just had is some news that canada's transportation safety board have announced a probe into the loss

of the titan submersible. i am reading this from the reuters news agency. in a statement, the board has said it is launching a safety investigation regarding the circumstances of this operation because -- the reason, if you are wondering why, is because the titan's surface support vessel, the polar prince, was a canadian-flagged ship. so many lines coming in about this story all the time. the latest we can give you -- canada's transptation safety board on friday announcing a probe into the loss of the titan submersible. it is lnching a safety investigation. clearly lots of questions at the moment are to do with the safety beforehand and during the mission. lots more questions that people are asking. i want to bring in my next guest

, a submersible pilot. he is the president of submerge, a submersible consulting and operations company. he has been a sub pilot for more than 20 years. thank you very much for joining us on the program. can i ask your reaction? did you have any concerns when you heard about what had happened, and perhaps your knowledge of the company before this happened? guest: good evening. thank you for having me on the show. my personal experience and my company's experience in the submersible world is very different than what has happened with oceangate, and what happened with the titan on the titanic, for many, many reasons. so yes, i had my thoughts and i

had my analysis, based on very little information that was available originally. but it is an extreme one-off kind of event, and it does not fall in line with our experience in the submersible world for over two decades. sarah: in terms of legislation and safety testing, when you are sending a submersible down to depths perhaps not as deep as this, what is the legislation? what is the safety testing? how rigorous is it? guest: any submersible we use as pilots or as operators is designed by certified manufacturers that have a very

rigorous engineering process. they did not start the process a feyears ago, or even 10 years ago. they started it many, many decades ago, based on past experience, past knowledge, past engineering, and they have involved with the engineering, but always sticking to very strict guidelines that exist today. we have american shipping, lloyd's register. there are standards. there are guidelines. there are procedures. there are testing methods that exist and are being used by the industry. that is why i feel that it is extremely important to explain to the public that this event, this tragic event, is one-of-a-kind, is unique. it is extreme. it is not what the industry of travel and leisure and private

submersible exploration is accustomed to. sarah: thank you for your insight. we will have to leave it there for the moment, but i want to remind you of the breaking news that we had this evening, to do with this story. this is the statement from canada's transportation safety board, tsb, which have announced a probe into the loss of the titan submersible. they released a statement. they said the board are launching the safety investigation regarding the circumstances of the operation because the titan's surface support vessel, the polar prince, was a canadian flagged ship. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. junior doctors in england are to strike for fiveays, from july 13, as part of their long-running row with the government over pay. the british medical association says the walkout will be the longest sigel period of industrial action in the history

of the health service. security workers at heathrow airport have accepted an improved pay offer, ending a long-running dispute. the union says workers will get an increase of up to 17.5%. warmer weather in may has helped to push up retail sales. the office of national statistics says they rose by 0.3%. online sales of summer clothing and gardenurniture went up as the weather improved. garden centers and diy stores also saw growth. fuel sales also rose compared to april, but people bought less food as prices continue to rise. you are live with bbc news. it is a big story here in the u.k., people struggling to make their mortgage payments, being

offered the chance to switch to interest only deals which would extend the term of their mortgage. on thursday, the bank of england raised interest rates have a percentage point, to 5%, leaving many mortgage holders worried about how they will afford the increase in their payments. the measures were announced after a meeting between the british chancellor and major lenders. it would also include 12 month wait before properties can be repossessed. here is jeremy hunt talking about them. mr. hunt: if you are anxious about the impact on your family finances and you change your mortgage to interest only or you extend the term of your mortgage, and you want to go back to your original mortgage deal within six months, you can do so, no questions asked, no impact on your credit score. i think it is going to give people a lot of comfort and will stop worrying about having

conversations with their parents when they are worried about their financial situation. sarah: senior lecturer in economics at the university and a professor of economics at king's college london, and former chief economist at the u.k. cabinet office join us. thank you for joining me. just to take us through this, can i ask you first, jonathan, what difference will these measures make, do you think? jonathan: the answer is not much to most people. it will help a small number of people who are in difficulty, temporarily at least. so it may, for some people who are inemporary difficulty -- it will help them get over the hump, hopefully, of a large financial pressure. for most people, it won't make much difference. i think the important thing to remember is the point of putting up interest rates, the reason the bank is putting up interest

rates, is to reduce demand by making -- by taking money out of the economy and making it less attractive for people to borrow, and more attractive to people to save. that is the whole point of what the bank is doing. they are trying to -- not to hurt people, but to make us all somewhat because that is what is needed to get inflation down. so these relatively minor measures around the edges will make life slightly easier for some people, but won't make a lot of difference. they are not intended to. sarah: for people, for individuals who are now facing potentially huge increases in their monthly mortgage payments, it won't be much consolation to be told it is for the greater good of the economy. >> i mean, exactly. the average person in the u.k., the average citizen, is not an economist.

dunt deo rsitactndno that thise economy. but people care about financial stability. they want reassurance. to be honest, i don't believe them. but it is for the good of the economy. we need to get a grip on inflation, and this is one way we do it. sarah: do you think it will work? >> i am hopeful. to be honest, we saw a piece of data that not many people paid attention to, which is ppi, the cost of producing is coming down. i hope this will be passed on to consumers, basically seeing a generalized reaction in the price level. i hope this is a step in the right direction, and i am hopeful that it will work. sarah: i am interested in your view on whether you think this will work. what does the government need to do? the u.k., this interest rate, the inflation rate is remain stubbornly high.

jonathan: in the short term, i think that he and his right and inflation will come down. finally, it is not hard to get inflation down if you are willing to punish the economy and put interest rates up. the deficit will work. it is how much pain and economic hardship will be the result in the meantime. so rishi sunak may meet his pledge to bring inflation down, but there will be a significant cost. in terms of what the government should do, we should recognize that the government is very two-faced about this, quite frankly, on the one hand saying -- rishi sunak saying he was 100% on getting inflation down, but then actually living it to the bank of england -- which is the right thing to do under the economic system we have, where the bank is independent and responsible. he is actually leaving it to the bank of england to do the actual work of getting inflation down. there is a broader point which

is the more medium to long-term point, your point about why is inflation worse in the u.k. than other countries. that is about more structural long-term factors the government can effect. it is a combination of the fact that a lot of people have dropped out of the workforce because of the failures in the aftermath of covid and the crisis in the nhs. it is partly the result of brexit reducing the flexibility and competitiveness of the u.k. economy. and it is partly the result of, frankly, 10 years of fairly incompetent economic management. all of those things can be fixed, but it is going to take a long time and is not much comfort in the short term. sarah: we have to leave it there, but thank you for your insight. back in the u.k., a man has been found guilty of murdering a metropolitan police sergeant in croydon in south london. he used a revolver and handmade ammunition in september 2020.

here is correspondent daniel sanford. daniel: when he shot the sergeant dead inside the custody suite in september 2020, it sent shockwaves through policing. today, he was found guilty of murder. the much loved police officer and rugby coach -- following this afternoon's verdict, his partner spoke to us. >> his life was taken too soon, in the line of duty, doing a job that he loved, a cruel end to a lifetime of service. >> tributes flowed in from colleagues, from communities, from those he served, and for those who knew him in his life outside policing. they were a testament to the man he was. >> it started as a routine stop in the early hours of a friday morning. >> he was walking down the road with a duffel bag, which i

believe may have stuff equipped to do a burglary. cracks quite quickly, the man admitted he had drugs on him. >> medical cannabis. >> but the police chief then found several rounds of ammunition. for the moment, i am placing you under arrest, for possession of bullets. >> but despite a lengthy search, the officers somehow missed the antique revolver secreted in a holster under his left arm. in the van, he moved the gun into his hands, still cuffed behind his back. at the custody suite, the sergeant in charge ordered a search with a metal detector. at that point, louis produced the gun from behind his back, and shut the sergeant in the heart. >> i met the head coach.

>> he was originally from new zealand, and a keen rugby player and coach. matt was just three months from retiring from the police. cracks he is never coming back. why? tell me why. >> and he cannot believe the metropolitan police allowed a gun into a custody street -- custody suite. >> they told us they have changed the procedures on all these sorts of things. they have metal detectors being brought in. they have got those in the police stations here. they have had them for years. >> the police officers have been defended by the force. >> the officers, once they searched him on the street, he was in handcuffs. when the ammunition was found on the street, the handcuffs move from a front position to a back position. >> they have been praised for how they tackled the gunman during the shooting.

he shot himself in the neck in the struggle, and barely survived. he is permanently brain damaged as a result. he can hardly talk. in court, he used a whiteboard to communicate. he has autistic spectrum disorder, but had a successful school career, and learned to shoot with the army cadets. sarah: that was narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. and by contributions to this pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ ♪

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